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Hey Abu Alfalfa, if the Arabs didn’t send over racist suicide bombers and other despicable terrorists, then there would be no "racist" fence!
Gooose , who illegaly Acquired land in Israel , those are Zionists not muslims , muslims were living there For your information check Jews population in 1883 http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/yishuv.html Here is some table for Palestinian and Jew population in Israel (Including West bank and Gaza) based on information given in above picture. Forget about other population and just concentrate on Muslims and Jew population 1881 1914 2003(CIA WFB) Palestinians POPULATION 470,000(95%) 500,000(85%) 3,845,000(42%) Jews POPULATION 24,000(5%) 85,000(15%) 5,270,000(48%) Now you will argue that Israeli were living there 2000 years ago , than I will ask about red Indians and Mexicans in California and and Texas ? Than discussion is pointless, now here is the problem Israel has occupied the West Bank and Gaza , they must get out from there , They must stop target killing of civilians , they must stop second class treatment of civilians over there . terror attacks will automatically vanish. My question to you If terror attack is phenomenon of muslims or Islamists Why there were no terror attacks during 1960-1967 ? http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp508.htm Jerusalem Viewpoints No. 508 6 Kislev 5764 / 1 December 2003 AL-QAEDA’S INTELLECTUAL LEGACY: NEW RADICAL ISLAMIC THINKING JUSTIFYING THE GENOCIDE OF INFIDELS Jonathan D. Halevi Seeing the West as "God’s Enemy"
It is normal for religious leaders. most of the religious leaders in west thinks muslims as Enemy of God and final solution is Armageddon , so there is no difference in thinking of religious leaders and conservatives ( Islam and West ). Global terrorism sprouted and thrived in the strongholds of radical Islam. Islamic scholar Bernard Lewis, in "The Roots of Muslim Rage," explains the rise of Islamic radicalism and the increasing hatred of the West as a response to Western superiority and to the undermining of Islam’s authority by Western culture.
Not Western superiority , only reason is ignorance of muslims voice and tradition of implementing all the decisions on them. treating them as second class all the time. The Islamic hatred is, according to Lewis, an outcome of the collision between the Western and Islamic civilizations and "an Islamic historical response to secularism and the Jewish-Christian heritage."
Radicalism may be in response of Christian and Jews Zionism , both are equally bad. Lewis’ approach provides an essential interpretation of the roots of the current clash of civilizations, but it lacks a reference to the implications of the accumulating hatred for the West, which is viewed by many Muslims as "God’s enemy."
In general There is no hatered for west . Yes there is hatered for America , Israel, Serbia, Russia (up to some extent ). And there are reasons for that. So stop generalizing that , Americans took lot advantage of this propaganda , now no country is going to believe this Zionist (Racist ) propaganda. The present-day radical Islamic outburst against Western civilization’s hegemony emanates from a perception of achievement: the Islamic victory over the USSR in Afghanistan, the establishment of Taliban rule, the creation of the al-Qaeda global network, and the spread of Islam in many Western countries. These are seen as signs of an Islamic awakening that may lead in the twenty-first century to the restoration of the glory of Islam as the world’s most dominant power.
If those kind of people are there in muslims , majority of population does not support them ( remember there are 1.4 billion muslims in the world ). May be more percentage americans are supporting Armageddon and Imperialistic solutions of the world ( You can see lot of neocons christians in America ). In this context, the radical Islamic struggle against "God’s enemies" has brought about a significant change in traditional Islamic attitudes toward the protected religions – Christianity and Judaism. During the golden age of Islam, in most cases Islamic regimes treated Christians and Jews with tolerance for being monotheists like themselves.
They always respected Christians and Jews , but opposite is not true . They were considered _ahl al-dhimma,_ non-Muslim monotheistic believers who had the privilege to be under the protection of Islamic rule, although some humiliating laws were imposed on them (payment of a head tax; synagogues and churches had to be built lower than mosques, etc.).
You are talking about muslims , They at least allowed Christians and Jews to build synagogues and churches. before 100 years ago , Christians used to destroy all masques if they get majority , muslims at least allowed synagogues and churches through out their history.It is same for Jews they destoyed all the pagan temple when they were in power in Israel. The destiny of infidels and polytheists (those who attribute associates to God) under Islamic rule, however, was either conversion to Islam or execution.
80% of indian population is still hindu ( remember muslms rules india more than 500 years ). which shows how racist this person is ( mo*er fu*er) The End of Protected Status for Christians and Jews In recent years, radical Islamic scholars have renounced the privileges that Christians and Jews had enjoyed under Islamic rule and denied their status as _ahl al-dhimma,_ accusing them of crimes against Islam and deviation of faith in God by attributing associates to God.
What will they do if you people colonize their countries, invade their countries. This opened the way to justifying mass killing of Christians and Jews under the flag of _jihad_ for the sake of Allah.
I think every human will do that , in desparate situation like palestine and Chechenya . The roots of radical Islam’s denial of protected status for Christians may be found in the long-standing, accumulated hatred of the U.S.
Mostly only US , And Israel , because there is no other country in world countineously intervening in muslims afairs. and other Western countries as leaders of the Christian world.
muslims still respect them , and think of them as people of book . ( not america any more ) The U.S. is viewed as a global infidel force menacing Islam with its ideology, social and economic values, and hostile policy, seen in terms of a modern Crusader war against Islam.
I agree , US has hotile policies towards muslims , througout last 50 years. may be they are motivated by Zionist and Christian conservatives. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Abd al-Aziz al-Jarbou’, a prominent radical Saudi scholar, lashed out at the U.S. in his book _The Foundations of the Legality of the Destruction That Befell America,_ presenting a thesis that was publicly lauded by many Saudi scholars, headed by Hamud bin Uqla al-Shuaibi and Ali al-Khudeir. Describing the U.S. as "the source of evil, moral corruption, oppression, despotism, and aggression," al-Jarbou’ explained that the U.S. "spreads abomination and corruption in the world," "is the biggest source heretical movies," "has more sex channels and wine and cigarette companies than any other country," "wages war against Allah’s religion…and strives to impose its heresy and values out of arrogance and a desire to dominate." "Even Satan does not behave like America does," he wrote. On May 6, 2002, fourteen Saudi scholars published a special announcement claiming that the escalation in tensions between Islam and the West stemmed from American and European foreign and economic policies reflected in their siding with Israel,
Europeans are not siding with Israel. Article is too long and I dont have much time to read whole racist article, <snipped
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Hey Abu Alfalfa, if the Arabs didn’t send over racist suicide bombers and other despicable terrorists, then there would be no "racist" fence!
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Vast areas north of Bethlehem to be confiscated for building the racist fence
This is not a racist fence. It is a defensive wall built by the Jews with the scope to defend themselves from the muslims. This wall is what you have obtained with your violence. Logos Remove A B C
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Hey Abu Alfalfa, if the Arabs didn’t send over racist suicide bombers and other despicable terrorists, then there would be no "racist" fence! http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp508.htm Jerusalem Viewpoints No. 508 6 Kislev 5764 / 1 December 2003 AL-QAEDA’S INTELLECTUAL LEGACY: NEW RADICAL ISLAMIC THINKING JUSTIFYING THE GENOCIDE OF INFIDELS Jonathan D. Halevi Seeing the West as "God’s Enemy" Global terrorism sprouted and thrived in the strongholds of radical Islam. Islamic scholar Bernard Lewis, in "The Roots of Muslim Rage," explains the rise of Islamic radicalism and the increasing hatred of the West as a response to Western superiority and to the undermining of Islam’s authority by Western culture. The Islamic hatred is, according to Lewis, an outcome of the collision between the Western and Islamic civilizations and "an Islamic historical response to secularism and the Jewish-Christian heritage." Lewis’ approach provides an essential interpretation of the roots of the current clash of civilizations, but it lacks a reference to the implications of the accumulating hatred for the West, which is viewed by many Muslims as "God’s enemy." The present-day radical Islamic outburst against Western civilization’s hegemony emanates from a perception of achievement: the Islamic victory over the USSR in Afghanistan, the establishment of Taliban rule, the creation of the al-Qaeda global network, and the spread of Islam in many Western countries. These are seen as signs of an Islamic awakening that may lead in the twenty-first century to the restoration of the glory of Islam as the world’s most dominant power. In this context, the radical Islamic struggle against "God’s enemies" has brought about a significant change in traditional Islamic attitudes toward the protected religions – Christianity and Judaism. During the golden age of Islam, in most cases Islamic regimes treated Christians and Jews with tolerance for being monotheists like themselves. They were considered _ahl al-dhimma,_ non-Muslim monotheistic believers who had the privilege to be under the protection of Islamic rule, although some humiliating laws were imposed on them (payment of a head tax; synagogues and churches had to be built lower than mosques, etc.). The destiny of infidels and polytheists (those who attribute associates to God) under Islamic rule, however, was either conversion to Islam or execution. The End of Protected Status for Christians and Jews In recent years, radical Islamic scholars have renounced the privileges that Christians and Jews had enjoyed under Islamic rule and denied their status as _ahl al-dhimma,_ accusing them of crimes against Islam and deviation of faith in God by attributing associates to God. This opened the way to justifying mass killing of Christians and Jews under the flag of _jihad_ for the sake of Allah. The roots of radical Islam’s denial of protected status for Christians may be found in the long-standing, accumulated hatred of the U.S. and other Western countries as leaders of the Christian world. The U.S. is viewed as a global infidel force menacing Islam with its ideology, social and economic values, and hostile policy, seen in terms of a modern Crusader war against Islam. Abd al-Aziz al-Jarbou’, a prominent radical Saudi scholar, lashed out at the U.S. in his book _The Foundations of the Legality of the Destruction That Befell America,_ presenting a thesis that was publicly lauded by many Saudi scholars, headed by Hamud bin Uqla al-Shuaibi and Ali al-Khudeir. Describing the U.S. as "the source of evil, moral corruption, oppression, despotism, and aggression," al-Jarbou’ explained that the U.S. "spreads abomination and corruption in the world," "is the biggest source heretical movies," "has more sex channels and wine and cigarette companies than any other country," "wages war against Allah’s religion…and strives to impose its heresy and values out of arrogance and a desire to dominate." "Even Satan does not behave like America does," he wrote. On May 6, 2002, fourteen Saudi scholars published a special announcement claiming that the escalation in tensions between Islam and the West stemmed from American and European foreign and economic policies reflected in their siding with Israel, supporting globalization, and waging war on global terrorism. They asserted that, "observing this conflict…between Islam and the Muslims who follow righteousness, on one side, and heresy and its forces, on the other side, will expose the identity of the enemy and its flag [ideology], which developed after the rise of what is called the new world order, the Madrid and Oslo conventions, other conventions held in America and Sharm Al-Sheik [Egypt], and the criminal war against Muslims called the war on terror. Thus, the genuine hatred and the nature of this conflict between the camp of Islam and the camp of _ahl al-dhimma_ – the Jews and Christian Crusaders, and the hypocrites who follow them [Arab leaders] – becomes clear." The confrontation between Islam and the West is considered a zero-sum game, the outcome of which is to be the absolute and total victory of Islam in the twenty-first century. In his public message to the Muslim world on the occasion of the holiday of Eid al-Adha (February 19, 2002), Hamas leader Ahmad Yassin clearly justified the _jihad_ against the U.S. in Muslim and Arab countries on the basis of Islamic law. _Jihad_ against America is a positive commandment in every respect and is the realization of "the right of self-defense" against "the Crusaders’ war" and the terrorist war waged by the United States against the nation of Islam in Afghanistan and against the Islamic _jihad_ movements in the world. Yassin emphasized that _jihad_ has a defined goal, which is to "bring Islam to a dominant global position and release it from the hegemony of America and its Zionist allies." He encouraged Muslims to perform _jihad_ and to prepare for an extended battle against the U.S., promising that the current century, the twenty-first, is the "Islamic century, the century of liberation, victory, and the fulfillment of potential." The Future Conquest of Rome and All of Europe Similarly, the prominent Muslim scholar Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the Qatari-based spiritual authority for the worldwide Muslim Brotherhood, issued an Islamic ruling that, despite the pessimism among Muslims, Islam will definitely prevail and eventually become master of the entire world. One of the signs of Islamic victory will be the conquest of the Italian capital, Rome, by the Muslims. Occupying Europe and defeating Christianity will become possible, according to al-Qaradawi, with the spread of Islam inside Europe until it becomes strong enough to take over the whole continent. Al-Qaradawi asserts that "the signs of salvation are absolute, numerous, and as plain as day, indicating that the future belongs to Islam and that Allah’s religion will defeat all other religions." He relies on ancient Islamic traditions quoting the Prophet Muhammad, who allegedly argued that the conquest of Constantinople (Istanbul) and then Romia (Rome) are considered signs of the victory of
And Romia is the city we name Rome, the capital of Italy. The city of Herqel [Constantinople] was conquered in 1453 by the young Ottoman, aged 23, Muhammad Ibn Mourad, known by his nickname Muhammad the Conqueror. Nowadays, the conquest of the other city Romia [Rome] remains unfulfilled. Namely, Islam will return once more to Europe as a conqueror and as a victorious power after it was expelled twice from the continent….I assume that next time the conquest [of Europe] will not be achieved by the sword [i.e., war] but by preaching (_daawa_) and spreading the ideology [of Islam]….The conquest of Romia [Rome] and the expansion of Islam will reach all the areas where the sun shines and the moon appears [i.e., the entire world]….That will be the result of a planted seed and the beginning of the righteous Caliphate’s return….[The Islamic Caliphate] deserves to lead the nation to the plains of victory. Al-Qaradawi’s influence, it should be stressed, is widespread. His religious rulings not only appear on the websites of Muslim Brotherhood subsidiaries, like Hamas, but also on the websites of Saudi-inspired groups fighting the U.S. in western Iraq and on the websites of Chechen Islamists. The State of Confrontation with the West The state of confrontation with the West is considered by radical Muslim scholars not as something predestined from God, which Muslims have to endure until salvation, but as an opportunity to promote Islamic awareness and to release themselves from Western dominance and values. The first step to be taken from a religious perspective is to define the United States, the leader of the free world, as an "enemy" that is waging a "religious war" against Islam, and on this basis to issue Islamic rulings that the U.S. and its allies belong to _dar al-harb_ (the realm of war). The command of _jihad_ applies not only to Muslims on the confrontation lines in the Muslim and Arab worlds, but to all Muslims living in the areas of the enemy as well. Al-Jarbou’ has ruled that the current state of relations between Islam and the West is to be expressed as one of total war against the infidels. America, according his viewpoint, is not a regime with which Islam can maintain normal relations until Islam becomes strong enough to launch a _jihad_ against it. Nor is it a regime that deserves the tolerant and peaceful attitude from Islam accorded to Christians and Jews as protected minorities under Islamic rule (_ahl al-dhimma_). Criticizing other Muslim scholars who "neglected their duty" to define … read more »
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Vast areas north of Bethlehem to be confiscated for building the racist fence Jan 27, 2004, 11:08 Bethlehem – Zionist occupation authorities have installed cement walls and gates along a number of roads to the north of the West Bank city of Bethlehem in line with a plan to isolate the city and to seize the biggest possible area of its lands. The occupation authorities amended the path of the separation fence near the Khas and No
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