Christianity QA

Question:

Lets for a moment step back and look at Allah and the Muslim faith. Allah is used as an excuse for bombing, killing, and shagging ugly women. To try and associate terrorism or any other form of mass murder with the name of god is merely a prophanity in itself. The US is no better, need we forget that they two faced shits have been supporting the IRA and several other terrorist groups for many decades. In fact under the US’s suggestions for a war against terrorism and all those who are and have actively supported it, maybe the UN should consider bombing them. Atleast the TV would be good for a couple of days. As far as I am concerned you are both as bad as each other and should feel free to wipe each other off the face of the earth as you are both a bunch of hypocrytocal shites who deserve everything you get. I am pretty sure that the americans who read this will probably get a stick up their arse over it but the truth hurts sometimes.  Oh, if I hear ‘God Bless America’ one more fucking time I swear I will personally come over their and stick a steal wool wrapped toilet brush up someones arse. If america would wake up and admit to all the shit they themselves have been responsible for over the years then maybe they might get some respect.  The US is the only country who lacked the brains to know that detonating a nuclear bomb on Civilian targets would be bad for the environment let alone they actually did it twice. Oh and as for the arabs, you all should go on a holiday up your own arses, I believe you may find Allah there. Love, me – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nice to talk to you Ken Actually muslim have no hatred for christian. They are ahli Kitab . Those who believe in God and prophet . The muslim war now is with the millitary might of USA , UK and Australia .The bombing is not the issue in the afghan war because it cannot be proven that Osama is the one who was responsible. It is ashamed for a country like USA who claimed that they are civilised nation yet they can bomb Afghan children jsut like that without any evidence that osama has done it or Taliban has involved. So from now what we can firmly concluded from the American action is that they are arrogant nation who look at their muslim neighbour as slave state with no soveregnity. That I fully support that Muslim war against should not be stopped at all because this is the only opportunity  for us the Muslim mujahidin to defeat this arrogant nation with 100,000 body to be delivered to President Bush and Collin power.Only body bags will stop American war just like the experience of Vietnam. The world without American millitary arrogance will liberate not only Muslim countries but also Latin American , African and even Rusian former states. Let create a more tolerant state without the existence of American millitary power . Just like the world with British Empire in the 19th century. The withdrawal of British is not the end. From what i see , it is the Anglo Saxon arrogance because USA UK and Australia are the majority anglo saxon arrogant state in another form. Muslim have nothing to do with war against Christian because for us anybody can be our enemy as long s they kill an maim us . From what I observe , the American against terrorism is the war against pottential islamic state. The present political trend in all the muslim world. Terrorist state is the state which pratie islamic governance which includes cutting the hand of the thief and stoning to death the woman or men who do fornication. American think , he cant manage everything with his arrogance . He is wrong. Do muslim sanction the killing of the innocent child and non combatant . The answer is no. but woman cn be combatng when they join the American army. Islam is as natural as trees and wind. it blows gentle and it blows hard when necessary. Allah is the One who give light to whom He wish Hawk, I am a Christian and went through the shock, grief, anger cycle over this as well. It really challenged me to examine my beliefs. I also researched the koran and questioned the Muslim response. I was probably about where you are (or seem to be) now when I realized what I was doing. I was letting the whole situation affect me spiritually. My confidence, my strength, my hope was dwindling with everything I discovered and understood. I decided to give it to God and get back to seeking my God in prayer, reading my Bible, and trusting in the hope of my Savior. I believe this could easily get a lot worse than anyone can imagine. If we do not keep our focus on Jesus Christ and His teachings and promises we could easily sink in the cesspool of anger that surrounds us. I do hope you (we) get a response from a muslim person on this as well. Everytime I start to read a muslim response that seems to hate the terrorism I get my hopes up, but then they always revert to blaming the Western world for all their problems. Please, somebody from the muslim community prove us wrong. Prove to us you can denounce these cowards for what they are without accusing the US of wrongdoings. We know there have been Western policies that muslims have issue with, but you can’t blame your whole history on others. If 90% of muslims are peace loving people should it be that hard for you to rise up against this evil and conquer it yourself? If you don’t do this it will be hard for the world to see you as anything but supportive. But I digress. You see, I must get back to seeking my God and my Savior Jesus Christ. God bless you. — Ken Smith http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/smken/

Response:

Ali – - Does it ever occur to you, to look within yourselves and your countries, to the answers to the problem…. rather than always blaming Americans or the Jewish people? There should be no killing of any civilians, anywhere.

I was replying to his questions, not telling my point of view of the the problem. Allah says in Quran that He will not the situation of the people unless they change themselves from inside.  So to answer your question, it not only occurred to me, but I also firmly believe that Muslims have left the way that was inscribed to them by Allah through Quran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). For which Allah says in Quran he will dishonor/destroy/degrade Muslims if they stray away from their path. As for Iraq, we Americans feel terrible for all innocent lives lost. But has it ever occurred to you, that Sadaam spends his money on weapons, and on research into weapons of mass destruction. This money could be used to help feed his people, and help them. Wouldn’t that make some sense.

Scott Ritter and two senior UN directors resigned because of the human tragedy in Iraq.  Scott Ritter, the US nuclear arms inspector, when he resigned, he said in an interview that we share the equal blame with Saddam on the humand tragedy going on in Iraq.  Saddam was cruel all his life.  He has destoryed his people all his life.  Thats why he was put there to take care of our interest instead of take care of aspirations of his people just like other middle east rulers.  His cruely is not new; its just that he is not our ally that we bring these things forward.  Same thing will happen with turkey the day they turn their face away from us. So briefly, yes, he is equally responsible for the destruction and loss of human life, but, then again, thats why he was put as a ruler in the first place to secure interests of outside world. And to those who idolize Bin Laden… the same thing. He has hundreds of millions of dollars… he could use it to help people, but instead he uses it to train people in hate & killing. Why is there no anger toward Sadaam & Bin Laden???

You said in a single statement that we americans feel terrible for innocent lives lost. Everyone does. Muslims do also.  Just like there are people who dont share your beliefs about Iraq, same is true for other people who dont share actual Muslim beliefs.  You are asking why there is no anger? where is your anger? everyone hates saddam including all Muslim world. thats why they all united against him. Isn’t that anger?  All muslims countries are united against Osama. Isn’t that anger?  And thats taking action.  You said americans feel terrible.  Would you care to back up your statement with some actions that was done in response to that tragedy?  Was anything done? Ever? Peace.

May Allah show us all the right path Ali – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You hear very much how Taliban treat others, but never ever how Saudi’s do the same, or the Syrians, or the Jordanians, or the Egyptians. Well, actuaklly I have heard that. I have family living in Saudi Arabia. And my best friend grew up in Jordan. I was saying "you" to refer to as you, as a nation, as Americans.  When I say you dont hear, that means, generally, majority of the people, do not know about it. 1.5 million iraqis killed, very systematically.  No one stands up in America. Whole chechnya wiped out, No one says anything. Good point–although Ralph nader was the one candidate who spoke very boldly about the atrocities being committed against the civilians of Iraq and other Middle-eastern nations. Heck, I voted for him. Nader’s family is itself from Lebanon. But you’re right–few others have mentioned it. I have heard one Christian minister who’s made this point, and his sermon transcript is at http://www.mayflowerucc.org/Couragetolove.htm Again, my reference to "no one" was meant to be "generally, no one", that mostly no one knows about it, and no one stands for it.  When I say no one, I mean no one as a nation. 1.5 Million Iraqs Muslims vs. 6,000 Americans Lives. Are our lives more precious then other humans?  You want justice? Shouldn’t  it be both ways? Shouldn’t they be allowed to kill that many civilians from USA for the sake of justice using depleted uranium ammunition that will also destroy coming generations also? No, of course not. In my subsequent posts you’ll hear me make the same denunciatios myself. My point was about your justification of American Jihad, that why Muslims don’t think of it as American Jihad. Why cant you understand that everything that you hear is not black and white.  Why dont you understand that our government can do it to have pretext to annihlate Iraq. Why is it so easy to blame everything on someone without proofs just because you want it to be? Because some things just ARE black and white. For example, it’s simply WRONG to attack civilians, including infants. And that’s wrong no matter WHO does it–it’s wrong for the U.S. to do it, and it’s wrong for Al Qaeda to do it. You seem to anticipate that nobody would agree with your condemnations of America’s sanctions on Iraq, when actually there are people who do. And while it’s true that there haven’t been enough people to stand up and oppose those policies, there is a BIG difference between not opposing them, which many of us are guilty of, and actually CHEERING and celebratring acts of death–which none of us have done regarding Iraqi civilians, but which tens of thousands of Muslims have done for the loss of our own people on 911. You are right that some things are black and white.  But again, my point is taken out of context.  My reply was for that you are enraged that 7 year old girl in infected by anthrax by those terrorists. Next, about sanctions on Iraq, when I meant no body, I mean, generally no one.  Thats mean majority, not everyone.  Just like there are people who are against bombing of Afghanistan, but generally, over 90%, want it to be done. So mostly, everyone, wants it to be done with some exceptions. Furthermore, about cheering. First, from Islamic perspective, this is abhorable act to cheer on destruction and death of innocent people.  Next, cheering video they showed was 10 years old. Also, Islam is one thing, and then we have people who try to distort Islam. Allah has already said 1400 years ago that Muslims who distort Islam will be degraded in this life and hereafter. Beside that, when you have a nation being screwed since forever who have no power, no justice and cant do anything  beside being annihlated, they have nothing else to do beside cheer. It has nothing to do with Islam.  Its just common human psychological thing that is common among everyone of us. Quran states that to kill a single human is to kill all mankind. There are no teachings of Quran being misunderstood by anyone.  There are no teachings of Quran that tells or calls for annihlation of innocent humans. Its prescribed the rules of war 1400 years ago where there were none; that no innocent civilian, old man, women and children should not be killed in a war. Can you help me understand why so many Muslims seem to miss this point then, and overlook that theology in favor of calling for more terrorist attacks on America? There are enough christians who miss the point when annihlating Iraqis or muslims in yugoslavia or chechnya where whole muslims nations are being eliminated. there are enought jews who miss the point when screwing palestinians for the last 55 years. But then, chrisitianity is one thing, and people who follow it are other. you and i are not responsible if someone choose to have ulterior motives behing the guise of our great religions. We will be  responsible for our deeds on the day of judgements, not for the guy next door. May Allah show us all the right path Ali

Response:

Ali – - Does it ever occur to you, to look within yourselves and your countries, to the answers to the problem…. rather than always blaming Americans or the Jewish people? There should be no killing of any civilians, anywhere. As for Iraq, we Americans feel terrible for all innocent lives lost. But has it ever occurred to you, that Sadaam spends his money on weapons, and on research into weapons of mass destruction. This money could be used to help feed his people, and help them. Wouldn’t that make some sense. And to those who idolize Bin Laden… the same thing. He has hundreds of millions of dollars… he could use it to help people, but instead he uses it to train people in hate & killing. Why is there no anger toward Sadaam & Bin Laden??? Peace. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You hear very much how Taliban treat others, but never ever how Saudi’s do the same, or the Syrians, or the Jordanians, or the Egyptians. Well, actuaklly I have heard that. I have family living in Saudi Arabia. And my best friend grew up in Jordan. I was saying "you" to refer to as you, as a nation, as Americans.  When I say you dont hear, that means, generally, majority of the people, do not know about it. 1.5 million iraqis killed, very systematically.  No one stands up in America. Whole chechnya wiped out, No one says anything. Good point–although Ralph nader was the one candidate who spoke very boldly about the atrocities being committed against the civilians of Iraq and other Middle-eastern nations. Heck, I voted for him. Nader’s family is itself from Lebanon. But you’re right–few others have mentioned it. I have heard one Christian minister who’s made this point, and his sermon transcript is at http://www.mayflowerucc.org/Couragetolove.htm Again, my reference to "no one" was meant to be "generally, no one", that mostly no one knows about it, and no one stands for it.  When I say no one, I mean no one as a nation. 1.5 Million Iraqs Muslims vs. 6,000 Americans Lives. Are our lives more precious then other humans?  You want justice? Shouldn’t  it be both ways? Shouldn’t they be allowed to kill that many civilians from USA for the sake of justice using depleted uranium ammunition that will also destroy coming generations also? No, of course not. In my subsequent posts you’ll hear me make the same denunciatios myself. My point was about your justification of American Jihad, that why Muslims don’t think of it as American Jihad. Why cant you understand that everything that you hear is not black and white.  Why dont you understand that our government can do it to have pretext to annihlate Iraq. Why is it so easy to blame everything on someone without proofs just because you want it to be? Because some things just ARE black and white. For example, it’s simply WRONG to attack civilians, including infants. And that’s wrong no matter WHO does it–it’s wrong for the U.S. to do it, and it’s wrong for Al Qaeda to do it. You seem to anticipate that nobody would agree with your condemnations of America’s sanctions on Iraq, when actually there are people who do. And while it’s true that there haven’t been enough people to stand up and oppose those policies, there is a BIG difference between not opposing them, which many of us are guilty of, and actually CHEERING and celebratring acts of death–which none of us have done regarding Iraqi civilians, but which tens of thousands of Muslims have done for the loss of our own people on 911. You are right that some things are black and white.  But again, my point is taken out of context.  My reply was for that you are enraged that 7 year old girl in infected by anthrax by those terrorists. Next, about sanctions on Iraq, when I meant no body, I mean, generally no one.  Thats mean majority, not everyone.  Just like there are people who are against bombing of Afghanistan, but generally, over 90%, want it to be done. So mostly, everyone, wants it to be done with some exceptions. Furthermore, about cheering. First, from Islamic perspective, this is abhorable act to cheer on destruction and death of innocent people.  Next, cheering video they showed was 10 years old. Also, Islam is one thing, and then we have people who try to distort Islam. Allah has already said 1400 years ago that Muslims who distort Islam will be degraded in this life and hereafter. Beside that, when you have a nation being screwed since forever who have no power, no justice and cant do anything  beside being annihlated, they have nothing else to do beside cheer. It has nothing to do with Islam.  Its just common human psychological thing that is common among everyone of us. Quran states that to kill a single human is to kill all mankind.  There are no teachings of Quran being misunderstood by anyone.  There are no teachings of Quran that tells or calls for annihlation of innocent humans. Its prescribed the rules of war 1400 years ago where there were none; that no innocent civilian, old man, women and children should not be killed in a war. Can you help me understand why so many Muslims seem to miss this point then, and overlook that theology in favor of calling for more terrorist attacks on America? There are enough christians who miss the point when annihlating Iraqis or muslims in yugoslavia or chechnya where whole muslims nations are being eliminated. there are enought jews who miss the point when screwing palestinians for the last 55 years. But then, chrisitianity is one thing, and people who follow it are other. you and i are not responsible if someone choose to have ulterior motives behing the guise of our great religions. We will be  responsible for our deeds on the day of judgements, not for the guy next door. May Allah show us all the right path Ali

Response:

You hear very much how Taliban treat others, but never ever how Saudi’s do the same, or the Syrians, or the Jordanians, or the Egyptians. Well, actuaklly I have heard that. I have family living in Saudi Arabia. And my best friend grew up in Jordan.

I was saying "you" to refer to as you, as a nation, as Americans.  When I say you dont hear, that means, generally, majority of the people, do not know about it. 1.5 million iraqis killed, very systematically.  No one stands up in America. Whole chechnya wiped out, No one says anything. Good point–although Ralph nader was the one candidate who spoke very boldly about the atrocities being committed against the civilians of Iraq and other Middle-eastern nations. Heck, I voted for him. Nader’s family is itself from Lebanon. But you’re right–few others have mentioned it. I have heard one Christian minister who’s made this point, and his sermon transcript is at http://www.mayflowerucc.org/Couragetolove.htm

Again, my reference to "no one" was meant to be "generally, no one", that mostly no one knows about it, and no one stands for it.  When I say no one, I mean no one as a nation. 1.5 Million Iraqs Muslims vs. 6,000 Americans Lives. Are our lives more precious then other humans?  You want justice? Shouldn’t  it be both ways? Shouldn’t they be allowed to kill that many civilians from USA for the sake of justice using depleted uranium ammunition that will also destroy coming generations also? No, of course not. In my subsequent posts you’ll hear me make the same denunciatios myself.

My point was about your justification of American Jihad, that why Muslims don’t think of it as American Jihad. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why cant you understand that everything that you hear is not black and white.  Why dont you understand that our government can do it to have pretext to annihlate Iraq. Why is it so easy to blame everything on someone without proofs just because you want it to be? Because some things just ARE black and white. For example, it’s simply WRONG to attack civilians, including infants. And that’s wrong no matter WHO does it–it’s wrong for the U.S. to do it, and it’s wrong for Al Qaeda to do it. You seem to anticipate that nobody would agree with your condemnations of America’s sanctions on Iraq, when actually there are people who do. And while it’s true that there haven’t been enough people to stand up and oppose those policies, there is a BIG difference between not opposing them, which many of us are guilty of, and actually CHEERING and celebratring acts of death–which none of us have done regarding Iraqi civilians, but which tens of thousands of Muslims have done for the loss of our own people on 911.

You are right that some things are black and white.  But again, my point is taken out of context.  My reply was for that you are enraged that 7 year old girl in infected by anthrax by those terrorists. Next, about sanctions on Iraq, when I meant no body, I mean, generally no one.  Thats mean majority, not everyone.  Just like there are people who are against bombing of Afghanistan, but generally, over 90%, want it to be done. So mostly, everyone, wants it to be done with some exceptions. Furthermore, about cheering. First, from Islamic perspective, this is abhorable act to cheer on destruction and death of innocent people.  Next, cheering video they showed was 10 years old. Also, Islam is one thing, and then we have people who try to distort Islam. Allah has already said 1400 years ago that Muslims who distort Islam will be degraded in this life and hereafter. Beside that, when you have a nation being screwed since forever who have no power, no justice and cant do anything  beside being annihlated, they have nothing else to do beside cheer. It has nothing to do with Islam.  Its just common human psychological thing that is common among everyone of us. Quran states that to kill a single human is to kill all mankind.  There are no teachings of Quran being misunderstood by anyone.  There are no teachings of Quran that tells or calls for annihlation of innocent humans. Its prescribed the rules of war 1400 years ago where there were none; that no innocent civilian, old man, women and children should not be killed in a war. Can you help me understand why so many Muslims seem to miss this point then, and overlook that theology in favor of calling for more terrorist attacks on America?

There are enough christians who miss the point when annihlating Iraqis or muslims in yugoslavia or chechnya where whole muslims nations are being eliminated. there are enought jews who miss the point when screwing palestinians for the last 55 years. But then, chrisitianity is one thing, and people who follow it are other. you and i are not responsible if someone choose to have ulterior motives behing the guise of our great religions. We will be  responsible for our deeds on the day of judgements, not for the guy next door. May Allah show us all the right path Ali

Response:

Jesus is my guide, comforter, joy, and hope… but most of all He is my Savior. He came to offer the world eternal life with God. He did so because we are sinners. Everyone has done things that are evil in God’s eyes and the only hope is repentance and trusting in Jesus for the salvation only He offers. Believe what you must and suffer the consequences. I pray you chose the truth. God bless you.

Can you see how circular that is? 1 – "We are Sinners" – No we aren’t, thats a bible problem solved by the bible. 2 – "Everyone has done things that are evil in God’s eyes and the only hope is repentance and trusting in Jesus for the salvation only He offers." – Again, this problem of people doing wrong is obsorbed by the bible ("in God’s eyes") then solved by the bible ("trusting in Jesus for salvation"). 3 – "Believe what you must and suffer the consequences." – The bible tackles unbelievers, and punnishes them with eternal hell:  YOU SHALL BELIEVE OR I WILL KILL YOU. The bible is like a half hour sitcom on TV.  They create a problem, then solve it.  Add punnishment for not believing, and you have enforcement.  Thats CIRCULAR LOGIC, and you’ve been caught up in it baaaaad. Read the bible again.  Learn how to separate truth from fantasy. Infidel

Response:

Answer:  Virtually every government in the Middle East has be shoved on the people by the west.  You dont know nor hear what has happened to the people who have resisted to these autocratic government.  Libya’s Gaddafi was put at the mere age of 18 to rule that country, the Saud family was given Saudi Arabia and named after them and so on and so forth. You hear very much how Taliban treat others, but never ever how Saudi’s do the same, or the Syrians, or the Jordanians, or the Egyptians.

Well, actuaklly I have heard that. I have family living in Saudi Arabia. And my best friend grew up in Jordan. 1.5 million iraqis killed, very systematically.  No one stands up in America. Whole chechnya wiped out, No one says anything.

Good point–although Ralph nader was the one candidate who spoke very boldly about the atrocities being committed against the civilians of Iraq and other Middle-eastern nations. Heck, I voted for him. Nader’s family is itself from Lebanon. But you’re right–few others have mentioned it. I have heard one Christian minister who’s made this point, and his sermon transcript is at http://www.mayflowerucc.org/Couragetolove.htm 1.5 Million Iraqs Muslims vs. 6,000 Americans Lives. Are our lives more precious then other humans?  You want justice? Shouldn’t it be both ways? Shouldn’t they be allowed to kill that many civilians from USA for the sake of justice using depleted uranium ammunition that will also destroy coming generations also?

No, of course not. In my subsequent posts you’ll hear me make the same denunciatios myself. Why cant you understand that everything that you hear is not black and white.  Why dont you understand that our government can do it to have pretext to annihlate Iraq. Why is it so easy to blame everything on someone without proofs just because you want it to be?

Because some things just ARE black and white. For example, it’s simply WRONG to attack civilians, including infants. And that’s wrong no matter WHO does it–it’s wrong for the U.S. to do it, and it’s wrong for Al Qaeda to do it. You seem to anticipate that nobody would agree with your condemnations of America’s sanctions on Iraq, when actually there are people who do. And while it’s true that there haven’t been enough people to stand up and oppose those policies, there is a BIG difference between not opposing them, which many of us are guilty of, and actually CHEERING and celebratring acts of death–which none of us have done regarding Iraqi civilians, but which tens of thousands of Muslims have done for the loss of our own people on 911. Quran states that to kill a single human is to kill all mankind.  There are no teachings of Quran being misunderstood by anyone.  There are no teachings of Quran that tells or calls for annihlation of innocent humans.  Its prescribed the rules of war 1400 years ago where there were none; that no innocent civilian, old man, women and children should not be killed in a war.

Can you help me understand why so many Muslims seem to miss this point then, and overlook that theology in favor of calling for more terrorist attacks on America?

Response:

Nice to talk to you Ken Actually muslim have no hatred for christian. They are ahli Kitab . Those who believe in God and prophet . The muslim war now is with the millitary might of USA , UK and Australia .The bombing is not the issue in the afghan war because it cannot be proven that Osama is the one who was responsible. It is ashamed for a country like USA who claimed that they are civilised nation yet they can bomb Afghan children jsut like that without any evidence that osama has done it or Taliban has involved. So from now what we can firmly concluded from the American action is that they are arrogant nation who look at their muslim neighbour as slave state with no soveregnity. That I fully support that Muslim war against should not be stopped at all because this is the only opportunity  for us the Muslim mujahidin to defeat this arrogant nation with 100,000 body to be delivered to President Bush and Collin power.Only body bags will stop American war just like the experience of Vietnam. The world without American millitary arrogance will liberate not only Muslim countries but also Latin American , African and even Rusian former states. Let create a more tolerant state without the existence of American millitary power . Just like the world with British Empire in the 19th century. The withdrawal of British is not the end. From what i see , it is the Anglo Saxon arrogance because USA UK and Australia are the majority anglo saxon arrogant state in another form. Muslim have nothing to do with war against Christian because for us anybody can be our enemy as long s they kill an maim us . From what I observe , the American against terrorism is the war against pottential islamic state. The present political trend in all the muslim world. Terrorist state is the state which pratie islamic governance which includes cutting the hand of the thief and stoning to death the woman or men who do fornication. American think , he cant manage everything with his arrogance . He is wrong. Do muslim sanction the killing of the innocent child and non combatant . The answer is no. but woman cn be combatng when they join the American army. Islam is as natural as trees and wind. it blows gentle and it blows hard when necessary. Allah is the One who give light to whom He wish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hawk, I am a Christian and went through the shock, grief, anger cycle over this as well. It really challenged me to examine my beliefs. I also researched the koran and questioned the Muslim response. I was probably about where you are (or seem to be) now when I realized what I was doing. I was letting the whole situation affect me spiritually. My confidence, my strength, my hope was dwindling with everything I discovered and understood. I decided to give it to God and get back to seeking my God in prayer, reading my Bible, and trusting in the hope of my Savior. I believe this could easily get a lot worse than anyone can imagine. If we do not keep our focus on Jesus Christ and His teachings and promises we could easily sink in the cesspool of anger that surrounds us. I do hope you (we) get a response from a muslim person on this as well. Everytime I start to read a muslim response that seems to hate the terrorism I get my hopes up, but then they always revert to blaming the Western world for all their problems. Please, somebody from the muslim community prove us wrong. Prove to us you can denounce these cowards for what they are without accusing the US of wrongdoings. We know there have been Western policies that muslims have issue with, but you can’t blame your whole history on others. If 90% of muslims are peace loving people should it be that hard for you to rise up against this evil and conquer it yourself? If you don’t do this it will be hard for the world to see you as anything but supportive. But I digress. You see, I must get back to seeking my God and my Savior Jesus Christ. God bless you. — Ken Smith http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/smken/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FIRST: You can try to convince me that the 911 attacks were perversions of Islam. But let’s face it, for some reason we’re seeing THOUSANDS (if not millions) of Muslim people in the Middle East cheering and expressing a passionate supoprt for what Bin Laden has done. Mosques all over are becoming more vocal in their denunciations of the U.S., supports for the Al flee toward Afghanistan to offer support to the Taliban in answer to a religious call for Jihad). I would be far more trusting and compassionate if I weren’t seeing masses and masses of Muslims calling for more of Bin Laden’s actions. At some point we have to abandon the idea that Bin Laden is a minor reprobate, and finally admit that he’s an icon which actually represents the inner hopes and beliefs of countless people. He’s appearing closer to the mainstream than we want to admit, and it’s Muslims, not our own prejudices, which are directly and consistently giving us this impression with the endless parades in his honor. I guess I’m asking this: c onvince me that OBL really is a perversion of Islam, and that Muslims truly recognize this, when in real life countless thousands of Muslims are cheering that THIS is the man who represents their hearts.

Answer:  Virtually every government in the Middle East has be shoved on the people by the west.  You dont know nor hear what has happened to the people who have resisted to these autocratic government.  Libya’s Gaddafi was put at the mere age of 18 to rule that country, the Saud family was given Saudi Arabia and named after them and so on and so forth. You hear very much how Taliban treat others, but never ever how Saudi’s do the same, or the Syrians, or the Jordanians, or the Egyptians.  Thats why when someone stands up to the West, he becomes an "icon which actually represents the inner hopes and beliefs of countless people" who have been killed and abused by their government, annihlated and raped with no justice in sight because otherwise someone’s interests will be jeopardized.  You dont hear the mass exodus of people going on in Afghanistan and cities being wiped out in the pretext of fighting terrorism.  Why dont we look at ourselves as americans and see what we have done? 1.5 million iraqis killed, very systematically.  No one stands up in America. Whole chechnya wiped out, No one says anything.  Now the same russians are standing beside USA to fight terrorism.  Muslims butchered in former Yugoslavia, mothers and sisters raped infront of their families, well over hundred thousand, but we reject Saudi Arabia’s offer for their ground troops. And the election manifest of the ruler was to take the lands back from Muslims. SECOND: Muslims in the Middle East are furiously condemning the U.S. for the counterstrikes. In response, many are calling for Jihad against us. I understand that the Jihad is a sacred obligation in response to having been attacked or oppressed. Why can’t these Muslims understand the U.S.’s actions as being OUR own Jihad? Is it not in accordance with Islamic theology that we are entitled to undertake this action inasmuch as we were attacked? Why do they insist that we have no right to respond, but that THEY are horrified and militant toward us for doing so?

1.5 Million Iraqs Muslims vs. 6,000 Americans Lives. Are our lives more precious then other humans?  You want justice?  Shouldn’t it be both ways? Shouldn’t they be allowed to kill that many civilians from USA for the sake of justice using depleted uranium ammunition that will also destroy coming generations also? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – THIRD: We’ve repeatedly assured that "this is not a war against Islam." We all know that’s true. Why don’t the Muslim people in those countries understand it? And since clearly the reverse is not true (meaning that many Muslims *have* called for a religious-based wara against US), I’m not sure what to make of this. It would be awesome if clerics in those countries were being more active in the denunciation of Bin Laden–and I realize that some are. Yet what I see are parades of hundreds and thousands of protestors brandishing OBL’s posters and chanting for him. It may not be our war against Islam, but is this not becoming Islam’s war against us? THEY brought religion into this, and have kept it there–this is clearly a religious war to them. What can Muslims do to soothe these voices of rage among their own that we can’t do ourselves?

We all know thats true? You want clerics in those countries to denounce Bin Laden. How many religious leaders have denounced annihlation of Iraqis? And then we, to justify it, say that Saddam is equally resonponsible. Who put him there in the first place and helped him in his every atrocity? FOURTH: We’re told that this is a peaceful and gentle religion. I haven’t read the Koran, so I have to take that on faith. But while I realize that ALL religions have bloody pasts to some extent, I’m seeing some horrifying things being done in the name of Islam right now. Surely you can understand my irrational anger, my rage, when I hear that a 7-month-old child has been infected with anthrax! What teachings of the Koran are being misunderstood by terrorists which would make them sit back and console themselves, "This is goo, this is just, this is the will of Allah"? Whether it teaches cruelty or not, there has to be something in it that’s being perverted or misused to convince these people that they’re doing a sacred work in this. what is

it? Why cant you understand that everything that you hear is not black and white.  Why dont you understand that our government can do it to have pretext to annihlate Iraq. Why is it so easy to blame everything on someone without proofs just because you want it to be? Quran states that to kill a single human is to kill all mankind.  There are no teachings of Quran being misunderstood by anyone.  There are no teachings of Quran that tells or calls for annihlation of innocent humans.  Its prescribed the rules of war 1400 years ago where there were none; that no innocent civilian, old man, women and children should not be killed in a war. Beside that, so many "chrisitians" have take so many verses of quran out of context, without knowning the reasons for the revelations of those verses, to spread hatred and misinformation about Islam.  Islam came with a purpose, and it gives way of life, in each and every situation. And its gives rules and regulations in wars also.  But to almost every verse in Quran, is a background situation, just as well documented that gives you the total meaning of that verse and gives you the complete background to interpret it properly. Thats why, someone who knows Quran, cannot interpret it two ways.  There is one and only one true interpretion. When millions of your brothers are being killed, anyone can go crazy. Anyone can come up with any reason they want to.  Anyone can distort whatever they want to.  Be it christians, muslims, jews, or anyone else. May Allah show us all the right path Ali

Response:

I have a Bible with the New Testament. Jesus brought us a new way – Love and Compassion. The stoning thing kind of doesn’t work since Jesus freed us from the Law of justice. Jesus Christ brought peace for those who believe in Him. Jesus Christ brought hope for those who trust in Him.

Wrong! Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Jesus swore to uphold every jot and tittle of the Old Testament. I can understand how a society changes its beliefs gradually to conform with their becoming more "civilized".  Perhaps in a few hundred years we will become "civilized" enough to drop these ancient beliefs altogether. Also Sprach Zarathustra —— —— —— "Do I have a drinking problem? Not at all!  I can drink 36 cans of beer without barfing!"       — Phineas Phreakears

Response:

Jesus is my guide, comforter, joy, and hope… but most of all He is my Savior. He came to offer the world eternal life with God. He did so because we are sinners. Everyone has done things that are evil in God’s eyes and the only hope is repentance and trusting in Jesus for the salvation only He offers. Believe what you must and suffer the consequences. I pray you chose the truth. God bless you.

I’m sorry if I’m being a pest. I am my own guide.  I am my own comforter, joy and hope.  I don’t need a Savior because I don’t believe in such absurdities as eternal life with gods or any other supernatural beings.  I lead a happy life knowing I am not a lowly, unworthy sinner who caused someone else to die for my "crimes". Cast off the shackles of faith and rejoice!  For there is no supreme being except in your own mind.  Live your life to the fullest for what it is in reality.  It’s all you have! Also Sprach Zarathustra —— —— —— "Do I have a drinking problem? Not at all!  I can drink 36 cans of beer without barfing!"       — Phineas Phreakears

Response:

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. I have found it as this verse says, not worth the effort if a person who calls himself a knowledgable Christian wants to argue for the sake of vengeance. — Ken Smith http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/smken/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a Bible with the New Testament. Jesus brought us a new way – Love and Compassion. The stoning thing kind of doesn’t work since Jesus freed us from the Law of justice. Jesus Christ brought peace for those who believe in Him. Jesus Christ brought hope for those who trust in Him. Wrong! Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Jesus swore to uphold every jot and tittle of the Old Testament. I can understand how a society changes its beliefs gradually to conform with their becoming more "civilized".  Perhaps in a few hundred years we will become "civilized" enough to drop these ancient beliefs altogether. Also Sprach Zarathustra —— —— —— "Do I have a drinking problem? Not at all!  I can drink 36 cans of beer without barfing!"       — Phineas Phreakears

Response:

Cast off your shackles of sin!   It is I who am free God bless. — Ken Smith http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/smken/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jesus is my guide, comforter, joy, and hope… but most of all He is my Savior. He came to offer the world eternal life with God. He did so because we are sinners. Everyone has done things that are evil in God’s eyes and the only hope is repentance and trusting in Jesus for the salvation only He offers. Believe what you must and suffer the consequences. I pray you chose the truth. God bless you. I’m sorry if I’m being a pest. I am my own guide.  I am my own comforter, joy and hope.  I don’t need a Savior because I don’t believe in such absurdities as eternal life with gods or any other supernatural beings.  I lead a happy life knowing I am not a lowly, unworthy sinner who caused someone else to die for my "crimes". Cast off the shackles of faith and rejoice!  For there is no supreme being except in your own mind.  Live your life to the fullest for what it is in reality.  It’s all you have! Also Sprach Zarathustra —— —— —— "Do I have a drinking problem? Not at all!  I can drink 36 cans of beer without barfing!"       — Phineas Phreakears

Response:

Cast off your shackles of sin!   It is I who am free

’sin 1 a : an offense against religious law I am an atheist, sir.  I have no religion.  Sin does not exist. Are you as free as you think you are?  How much time do you waste praying? Going to worship services?  How much of your hard-earned cash do you give to your church?  How much of your lifeline have you bled off with the stress of making yourself believe claims you know cannot be true?  Or do you believe everything you’ve been told? "If the Bible had said that Jonah swallowed the whale, I would believe it."      – William Jennings Bryan "Reason should be destroyed in all Christians"      – Martin Luther Also Sprach Zarathustra —— —— —— "Do I have a drinking problem? Not at all!  I can drink 36 cans of beer without barfing!"       — Phineas Phreakears

Response:

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. I have found it as this verse says, not worth the effort if a person who calls himself a knowledgable Christian wants to argue for the sake of vengeance.

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