Christianity QA

Question:

<snip …. wouldn’t humans evolve to the point where humans could modify their genetic code and change the very nature of that which is a human, with no intervention from God? I’d say this is evidence that God does indeed exist – the human mind is so powerful a creation that it might someday learn to build itself.

Humans DO build themselves, though there is nothing intelligent about the process, it occurs because of the physical rules the universe has for governing chemical reactions. In this way from a single cell, a human will construct itself so long as raw materials are available such as amino acids, nucleotides, carbohydrates and such. It takes around 18 years to get the finished product and around 9 months before the product can autonomously roam around, but still it builds itself without thought at every step. However as yet our psychology is very vague (the academic discipline of that name is purely at the stage of making observations, and cannot begin to explain most of them very deeply).

Deep explanations will come when chemical and biological sciences have developed the tools needed to look deep into the electrochemical system that is the mind. — Blade ICQ#27537648 Comparing religion to science is like comparing a molehill to a mountain! Change .con to demon<dotco<dotuk to send mail.

Response:

… wouldn’t different groups of people create different belief systems that have little in common other than a silent and invisible deity (or deities) and a few human-constructed behavior models? … wouldn’t people over the ages constantly be working on their belief systems to deal with the cultural and social conditions of the day? … wouldn’t you see a wide array of creation myths? … wouldn’t all of the creation myths be based on the cultures of the day with no respect for the scientific method as to the methodology for studying about the true nature and diversity of life, time, and the universe? … wouldn’t all of the religious myths be totally flawed/clueless regarding the scientific revelations of the modern age? … wouldn’t you have absolutely no way to communicate with, hear from, or see God? Now, I’m not talking thinking and hearing imaginary voices, I’m talking "Hello God, how’s it going, what’s up?" and God saying, "eh… not much, heard any good jokes lately?" You know, like a conversation. … wouldn’t you have people dying and remaining silent after their death? … wouldn’t God be merely an extension of the desires, hopes, dreams, hatreds, and fears of humans? … wouldn’t the faith most children follow be little more than a mirror image of the faith of their parents, with no communication from God to the innocent and receptive minds of the children but instead, a brainwash-indoctrination-social instruction passed on from generation to generation? … wouldn’t each religion reflect the narrow and self-centered notions of the culture in which it was developed? … wouldn’t murder, genocide, and war be waged based on mythical and silent Gods (my God is better than your God)? … wouldn’t humans evolve to the point where humans could modify their genetic code and change the very nature of that which is a human, with no intervention from God? Dan Fake, FREELOVER #1, who cares deeply about truth, freedom, and maxing out this one and only experience we all know and share on this earth, at this time, in this life. FREELOVER? Freethinking Realist Exploring Expressive Liberty, Openness, Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality (also, pro-love, free from state and church authorities)

Response:

news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Dan Fake" Now, I’m not talking thinking and hearing imaginary voices, I’m talking "Hello God, how’s it going, what’s up?" and God saying, "eh… not much, heard any good jokes lately?" You know, like a conversation.

So you want to speak to God face to face ? However I thought you were rather pleased that God left you alone, since you run things so much better than God ever could. None of those "thou shalt not"s about parents and adultery. …. wouldn’t humans evolve to the point where humans could modify their genetic code and change the very nature of that which is a human, with no intervention from God?

I’d say this is evidence that God does indeed exist – the human mind is so powerful a creation that it might someday learn to build itself. However as yet our psychology is very vague (the academic discipline of that name is purely at the stage of making observations, and cannot begin to explain most of them very deeply). * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "Dan Fake" … wouldn’t different groups of people create different belief systems that have little in common other than a silent and invisible deity (or deities) and a few human-constructed behavior models? … wouldn’t people over the ages constantly be working on their belief systems to deal with the cultural and social conditions of the day? … wouldn’t you see a wide array of creation myths? … wouldn’t all of the creation myths be based on the cultures of the day with no respect for the scientific method as to the methodology for studying about the true nature and diversity of life, time, and the universe? … wouldn’t all of the religious myths be totally flawed/clueless regarding the scientific revelations of the modern age? … wouldn’t you have absolutely no way to communicate with, hear from, or see God?  Now, I’m not talking thinking and hearing imaginary voices, I’m talking "Hello God, how’s it going, what’s up?" and God saying, "eh… not much, heard any good jokes lately?" You know, like a conversation. So you want to speak to God face to face ?

I think the point of the message was clear. Humans created God, not the other way around. However I thought you were rather pleased that God left you alone, since you run things so much better than God ever could.

Actually, the message was clear. Humans created God, not the other way around. None of those "thou shalt not"s about parents and adultery.

You mean society would be based on reasonable and secular morals, absent silent and invisible deity constructs? …. wouldn’t humans evolve to the point where humans could modify their genetic code and change the very nature of that which is a human, with no intervention from God? I’d say this is evidence that God does indeed exist – the human mind is so powerful a creation that it might someday learn to build itself.

It’s evidence that the human animal is constantly learning and growing in knowledge, despite the efforts of the less enlightened in the christian community to restrict knowledge, keeping humankind in the dark ages for close to 1,000 years. However as yet our psychology is very vague (the academic discipline of that name is purely at the stage of making observations, and cannot begin to explain most of them very deeply).

So, you complement humankind, claim a God is involved, and then comment that humankind just isn’t quite smart enough yet. Seems you’re caught in the God loop, which is to say you want to give God credit for anything that you like. Rather childish point of view, that, the God loop. Rather like a point of view an evolved and ignorant animal would come up with. We’re way passed that now, aren’t we? Dan Fake, FREELOVER #1, who cares deeply about truth, freedom, and maxing out this one and only experience we all know and share on this earth, at this time, in this life. FREELOVER? Freethinking Realist Exploring Expressive Liberty, Openness, Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality (also, pro-love, free from state and church authorities)

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just to remind you of what the generally accepted scientific method is (finding explanations for observed phenomena), the following is a summary: 1. Propose an hypothesis that can be verified/falsified objectively This is nothing but a bunchof bull shit! 2. Collect objective data 3. Check the hypothesis against the data 4. If the hypothesis largely accounts for the data then it proceeds to    a provisional theory. B.S. #2 – supported only by B.S. #1 ! Thanks for helping to illustrate the difference between the scientific method and bald assertion.

Funny, I was thinking the very same thing, because 1 through 4 was exactly what I remember the scientific method to be ! William

Glenn (Christian Mystic)

Response:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – William,    I must say that I have a great deal of respect for you. I could not possibly try more than a couple of times to overlook the outright stupidity, ignorance, and arrogance that these people hold, and continue to try to explain the Scientific Method, or any other rational endeavour to any group of people as unenlightened, foolish, and outright stupid as these. Good luck in the future, although I would personally venture a hypothesis that certain people here don’t even have the intelligence to recognize that they could BE wrong, much less why, and so I don’t think you’ll have much success.    However, if you choose to persist, whenever you get discouraged by them, remember: because self-delusion and ignorance have proven not to be desirable traits (hence the fact that they are slowly, but surely, decreasing in the human population), eventually, evolution will weed these people out. Admittedly, it might be another 10,000 years, or more, even, but some day, they’ll all be gone. Here’s to hoping that day comes soon, The problem is that this person is an otherwise sensible and intelligent person.  Why he has dug his heels in on this one I don’t know.

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