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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – chief idol they worshipped are no longer even remotely tenable. The allegations made to try and discredit Islam these days focus on a number of things none of which stand up to any serious scrutiny. Could you provide some examples? For example, in a.r.i I asked if, in an Islamic state, there would be legal restrictions on the right of consenting adults to perform whatever sexual acts they want in the privacy of their own homes. This seems, to me, a fairly straightforward question.  The answers were along the lines of: – you are a jerk – you do not understand Islam – yes The first one may be true but is not relevant to my question. I do not understand the second one. The third one makes an Islamic state sound like a rather fascist one. So a straightfoward question is answered either with abuse, or with a statement that Islamic is fascist. In the light of this, could you explain why someone who believes that Islam is fascist is wrong? Cheers, Michael Voytinsky http://www.voytinsky.com

And you’re scientific in your conclusion! I just can’t believe such a simpleton kind of logic. Islam is way, way above that. Only consolation for me is you shall find out your stupidity in due course and I hope it’s not too late ’cause if you only find out about it when you’re dead then there’s no way back. Before you buy.

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– you are a jerk – you do not understand Islam – yes So a straightfoward question is answered either with abuse, or with a statement that Islamic is fascist. In the light of this, could you explain why someone who believes that Islam is fascist is wrong? And you’re scientific in your conclusion! I just can’t believe such a simpleton kind of logic. Islam is way, way above that.

Tell me what is wrong with my logic, then.  Insults are the most common response to a rather straightforward question – "Does Islam hold that the state has the right to involve itself in the sexual conduct of consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes?"  It is a very simple question, I just do not understand why it makes people angry. Cheers, Michael Michael Voytinsky Ottawa Ontario Canada http://www.igs.net/~michaelv Before you buy.

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I agree that my knowledge of the fiqh is not sufficient to pass judgment on muslim scholars. But my interest in the subject is not academic, it is practical. If the great majority of muslims behave in a manner contradictory to these scholars, and this majority controls govts and police forces and militant armies, while the scholars have zero real world impact, then I may be forgiven for ignoring these scholars and their opinions just as the muslim majority does.

I am as militant as you can get. If it was up to me, I kill every Indian soldier in Kashmir. I would slit their thoughts and I will make their wife’s widows. Who you are kidding, fact is that your are no different then those who’s only purpose here is to rag on Islam. What bothers me is audacity to lie is so prevalent in Indians, they could be truly considered children of Talmud worshiping Jews who legitimize lying through their religion. You have no knowledge about the religion of Islam, its history and culture. you still think that Islam was forced on people, in your mind that is the only justification for its spread. Your generalization about Muslims are laughable, only shows your ignorance. Only an ignoramus can claim to be ignorant and then insist on being right. How many actual cases can you quote from history of Muslim jurisprudence, which gave birth to your ignorant "practical" ideas. If you can not quote one; then I rest my case. Moriscian.

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Go easy on the drugs, mister. You have written a whole lot of rot which has nothing to do with what I wrote. Are drugs OK in Islam ? RS : : I agree that my knowledge of the fiqh is not : sufficient to pass judgment on muslim scholars. : But my interest in the subject is not academic, : it is practical. If the great majority of muslims : behave in a manner contradictory to these : scholars, and this majority controls govts and : police forces and militant armies, while the : scholars have zero real world impact, then I may : be forgiven for ignoring these scholars and their : opinions just as the muslim majority does. : : : I am as militant as you can get. If it was up to me, I kill every Indian : soldier in : Kashmir. I would slit their thoughts and I will make their wife’s widows. : : Who you are kidding, fact is that your are no different then those who’s : only purpose here is to rag on Islam. : What bothers me is audacity to lie is so prevalent in Indians, they could be : truly considered children of Talmud worshiping : Jews who legitimize lying through their religion. You have no knowledge : about the religion of Islam, its history and culture. you still think that : Islam was forced on people, in your mind that is the only justification for : its spread. Your generalization about Muslims are laughable, only shows your : ignorance. Only an ignoramus can claim to be ignorant and then insist on : being right. : : How many actual cases can you quote from history of Muslim jurisprudence, : which gave birth to your ignorant "practical" ideas. : If you can not quote one; then I rest my case. : : Moriscian. : : : :

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : All rules have conditions. There is no rule without a condition. Rule by the : definition means its conditional. : It is not my opinion, its common sense. : : For instance, cutting of hand is prescribed as a punishment in Quran, but : Omar (ra) : suspendid this punisment when Khilafa was in economic termoil. It’s called : common sense. : learn to use some. I agree with your opinions, so don’t think I am arguing with your thinking. However what you have written above is not accepted by most muslims, and most definitely not accepted by mullahs and the islamic authorities. They say that even the slightest deviation from islamic rules is wrong and punishable. So I hope for your sake that you don’t announce these opinions in public in a muslim country.

You are wrong again, these opinion are held by many Muslim scholars. I agree that some Mullahs would insist on strict adherence but that behavior is no more different then any other religion. I think your knowledge about the Islamic fiqh is not to a point where you should start passing judgment on Muslim scholars. You seem to drive the religious rules and principles from the behaviors of its adherents, which is bad analysis technique in any subject. Moriscian

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: the islamic authorities. They say that even the : slightest deviation from islamic rules is : wrong and punishable. So I hope for your sake : that you don’t announce these opinions in : public in a muslim country. : : You are wrong again, these opinion are held by many Muslim scholars. I agree : that some Mullahs would insist on : strict adherence but that behavior is no more different then any other : religion. I think your knowledge about the : Islamic fiqh is not to a point where you should start passing judgment on : Muslim scholars. You seem to drive the religious rules : and principles from the behaviors of its adherents, which is bad analysis : technique in any subject. I agree that my knowledge of the fiqh is not sufficient to pass judgment on muslim scholars. But my interest in the subject is not academic, it is practical. If the great majority of muslims behave in a manner contradictory to these scholars, and this majority controls govts and police forces and militant armies, while the scholars have zero real world impact, then I may be forgiven for ignoring these scholars and their opinions just as the muslim majority does. RS

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Do you speak English ? How confusing it can be, you can deduct most logical conclusion from what I said and you still fail to grasp the obvious. Last time you demanded an answer in YES or NO, so I responded appropriately. How many PhD in finance women you meet every day. So when the witness is a PhD in finance, then the rule does not apply. Rule is proper for the situation not only in eastern countries but in western countries, where ratio of men and women in business related field is unproportional. Moriscian

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : NO, : : Where did you get this idea from. Did i say all the women in the world have : PhDs in finanace ? : : Was not your premise: that if both of the women have PhD in finanace or your : forgot what you said. : : Morisician. So tell me clearly – was this rule only for those times when women were not involved in finance, or for all time ? YOu have said both. Most confusing. You can pick only one. Both answers cannot be correct. Thanks in advance, RS : : : : where he referred to the sign of Jonah. Any body who has read the : Quranic : : ayah (2:282) and is familiar with history knows that women were not : directly : : involved in trade at that time, and the ayah (verse) was revealed to : show : : what steps are necessary to avoid any disputes, not to set an standard : of : : women being equal to two men in the testimony when concerned with : financial : : transaction, which is contrary to ethos of the Islamic : : religion.Unfortunately in Islamic history this Ayah has been used as to : : justify patriarcle prejudices but we as a Muslim community are willing : to : : correct the problem, but how many Hindus can stand up and say cow is not : a : : Are you saying this statement in the Koran was : limited to those days, and is no longer applicable ? : Yes or no, please. : : RS : :

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The response to Christianity is a logical one, I ask Muslim brothers to learn prepositional calculus to refute Christianity. Trust me I was amazed at this mathematical approach my self when I applied this to when arguing with some of the Christian at work, two among the three Christian I engaged in discussion their attitude changed completely, not only towards Israel but also towards their Bible.

Please share with us some of your amazing arguments that use prepositional calculus. Cheers, Michael Voytinsky http://www.voytinsky.com

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So you agree that Koran’s rules don’t apply unconditionally ? It is dependent on educational qualifications of the woman ? Does the Koran say that, or is it just your opinion ?

All rules have conditions. There is no rule without a condition. Rule by the definition means its conditional. It is not my opinion, its common sense. For instance, cutting of hand is prescribed as a punishment in Quran, but Omar (ra) suspendid this punisment when Khilafa was in economic termoil. It’s called common sense. learn to use some. At the end Allah knows the best. Moriscian.

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: So you agree that Koran’s rules don’t apply : unconditionally ? It is dependent on educational : qualifications of the woman ? : : Does the Koran say that, or is it just your opinion ? : : : All rules have conditions. There is no rule without a condition. Rule by the : definition means its conditional. : It is not my opinion, its common sense. : : For instance, cutting of hand is prescribed as a punishment in Quran, but : Omar (ra) : suspendid this punisment when Khilafa was in economic termoil. It’s called : common sense. : learn to use some. I agree with your opinions, so don’t think I am arguing with your thinking. However what you have written above is not accepted by most muslims, and most definitely not accepted by mullahs and the islamic authorities. They say that even the slightest deviation from islamic rules is wrong and punishable. So I hope for your sake that you don’t announce these opinions in public in a muslim country. RS : : At the end Allah knows the best. : : Moriscian. : : : : : :

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: The response to Christianity is a logical one, I ask Muslim brothers to : learn prepositional calculus to refute Christianity. Trust me I was amazed : at this mathematical approach my self when I applied this to when arguing : with some of the Christian at work, two among the three Christian I engaged : in discussion their attitude changed completely, not only towards Israel but : also towards their Bible. Please use this calculus to show how the testimony of 2 women PhDs in finance, is equal to that of one elementary school grad male. Thanks, RS

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: Do you speak English ? How confusing it can be, you can deduct most logical : conclusion from what I said and : you still fail to grasp the obvious. Last time you demanded an answer in YES : or NO, so I responded appropriately. : How many PhD in finance women you meet every day. So when the witness is a : PhD in finance, then the rule does not apply. : Rule is proper for the situation not only in eastern countries but in : western countries, where ratio of men and women in : business related field is unproportional. So you agree that Koran’s rules don’t apply unconditionally ? It is dependent on educational qualifications of the woman ? Does the Koran say that, or is it just your opinion ? RS : : : : : : NO, : : : : Where did you get this idea from. Did i say all the women in the world : have : : PhDs in finanace ? : : : : Was not your premise: that if both of the women have PhD in finanace or : your : : forgot what you said. : : : : Morisician. : : So tell me clearly – was this rule only for those times : when women were not involved in finance, or for all time ? : : YOu have said both. Most confusing. You can pick : only one. Both answers cannot be correct. : : Thanks in advance, : RS : : : : : : : where he referred to the sign of Jonah. Any body who has read the : : Quranic : : : ayah (2:282) and is familiar with history knows that women were not : : directly : : : involved in trade at that time, and the ayah (verse) was revealed to : : show : : : what steps are necessary to avoid any disputes, not to set an : standard : : of : : : women being equal to two men in the testimony when concerned with : : financial : : : transaction, which is contrary to ethos of the Islamic : : : religion.Unfortunately in Islamic history this Ayah has been used as : to : : : justify patriarcle prejudices but we as a Muslim community are : willing : : to : : : correct the problem, but how many Hindus can stand up and say cow is : not : : a : : : : Are you saying this statement in the Koran was : : limited to those days, and is no longer applicable ? : : Yes or no, please. : : : : RS : : : : : :

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: The response to Christianity is a logical one, I ask Muslim brothers to : learn prepositional calculus to refute Christianity. Trust me I was amazed : at this mathematical approach my self when I applied this to when arguing : with some of the Christian at work, two among the three Christian I engaged : in discussion their attitude changed completely, not only towards Israel but : also towards their Bible. Please use this calculus to show how the testimony of 2 women PhDs in finance, is equal to that of one elementary school grad male. Thanks, RS

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As a hindu it become obvious that not only you do not know what the propositional calculus is but you do not know what is the command in Quran, The Ayah concerned here is:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : The response to Christianity is a logical one, I ask Muslim brothers to : learn prepositional calculus to refute Christianity. Trust me I was amazed : at this mathematical approach my self when I applied this to when arguing : with some of the Christian at work, two among the three Christian I engaged : in discussion their attitude changed completely, not only towards Israel but : also towards their Bible. Please use this calculus to show how the testimony of 2 women PhDs in finance, is equal to that of one elementary school grad male. Thanks, RS

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NO, Where did you get this idea from. Did i say all the women in the world have PhDs in finanace ? Was not your premise: that if both of the women have PhD in finanace or your forgot what you said. Morisician.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : where he referred to the sign of Jonah. Any body who has read the Quranic : ayah (2:282) and is familiar with history knows that women were not directly : involved in trade at that time, and the ayah (verse) was revealed to show : what steps are necessary to avoid any disputes, not to set an standard of : women being equal to two men in the testimony when concerned with financial : transaction, which is contrary to ethos of the Islamic : religion.Unfortunately in Islamic history this Ayah has been used as to : justify patriarcle prejudices but we as a Muslim community are willing to : correct the problem, but how many Hindus can stand up and say cow is not a Are you saying this statement in the Koran was limited to those days, and is no longer applicable ? Yes or no, please. RS

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: NO, : : Where did you get this idea from. Did i say all the women in the world have : PhDs in finanace ? : : Was not your premise: that if both of the women have PhD in finanace or your : forgot what you said. : : Morisician. So tell me clearly – was this rule only for those times when women were not involved in finance, or for all time ? YOu have said both. Most confusing. You can pick only one. Both answers cannot be correct. Thanks in advance, RS : : : : where he referred to the sign of Jonah. Any body who has read the : Quranic : : ayah (2:282) and is familiar with history knows that women were not : directly : : involved in trade at that time, and the ayah (verse) was revealed to : show : : what steps are necessary to avoid any disputes, not to set an standard : of : : women being equal to two men in the testimony when concerned with : financial : : transaction, which is contrary to ethos of the Islamic : : religion.Unfortunately in Islamic history this Ayah has been used as to : : justify patriarcle prejudices but we as a Muslim community are willing : to : : correct the problem, but how many Hindus can stand up and say cow is not : a : : Are you saying this statement in the Koran was : limited to those days, and is no longer applicable ? : Yes or no, please. : : RS : :

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: where he referred to the sign of Jonah. Any body who has read the Quranic : ayah (2:282) and is familiar with history knows that women were not directly : involved in trade at that time, and the ayah (verse) was revealed to show : what steps are necessary to avoid any disputes, not to set an standard of : women being equal to two men in the testimony when concerned with financial : transaction, which is contrary to ethos of the Islamic : religion.Unfortunately in Islamic history this Ayah has been used as to : justify patriarcle prejudices but we as a Muslim community are willing to : correct the problem, but how many Hindus can stand up and say cow is not a Are you saying this statement in the Koran was limited to those days, and is no longer applicable ? Yes or no, please. RS

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It is obvious that your concerns are not genuine but as usual your hindu mentality get hold the best of you, if there is any. Your inquiry show that you are not only ignorant about the Quranic verse but also prepositional calculus. Prepositional calculus is applied to as name suggest propositions (if you can speak english) not commands, suggestion or statement, for instance a=b this is a proposition and "You should eat apples" that is a statement, command or suggestion. For instance, in Bible prepositional calculus can be applied to the prophesy Jesus (pbuh) chosen for him self, where he referred to the sign of Jonah. Any body who has read the Quranic ayah (2:282) and is familiar with history knows that women were not directly involved in trade at that time, and the ayah (verse) was revealed to show what steps are necessary to avoid any disputes, not to set an standard of women being equal to two men in the testimony when concerned with financial transaction, which is contrary to ethos of the Islamic religion.Unfortunately in Islamic history this Ayah has been used as to justify patriarcle prejudices but we as a Muslim community are willing to correct the problem, but how many Hindus can stand up and say cow is not a holy animal, its just another animal and we do not need to use its urine as a blessing on our food and its unhealty and discusting or we do not need to bow our heads down to phallic symbols. Moriscian

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : The response to Christianity is a logical one, I ask Muslim brothers to : learn prepositional calculus to refute Christianity. Trust me I was amazed : at this mathematical approach my self when I applied this to when arguing : with some of the Christian at work, two among the three Christian I engaged : in discussion their attitude changed completely, not only towards Israel but : also towards their Bible. Please use this calculus to show how the testimony of 2 women PhDs in finance, is equal to that of one elementary school grad male. Thanks, RS

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chief idol they worshipped are no longer even remotely tenable. The allegations made to try and discredit Islam these days focus on a number of things none of which stand up to any serious scrutiny.

Could you provide some examples? For example, in a.r.i I asked if, in an Islamic state, there would be legal restrictions on the right of consenting adults to perform whatever sexual acts they want in the privacy of their own homes. This seems, to me, a fairly straightforward question.  The answers were along the lines of: – you are a jerk – you do not understand Islam – yes The first one may be true but is not relevant to my question. I do not understand the second one. The third one makes an Islamic state sound like a rather fascist one. So a straightfoward question is answered either with abuse, or with a statement that Islamic is fascist. In the light of this, could you explain why someone who believes that Islam is fascist is wrong? Cheers, Michael Voytinsky http://www.voytinsky.com

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The response to Christianity is a logical one, I ask Muslim brothers to learn prepositional calculus to refute Christianity. Trust me I was amazed at this mathematical approach my self when I applied this to when arguing with some of the Christian at work, two among the three Christian I engaged in discussion their attitude changed completely, not only towards Israel but also towards their Bible. Moriscian.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How do you respond to what Christians say about Islam? There is inevitably a fundamental difference between the way Muslims view Christianity and the way Christians view Islam. Since Muhammad came after Christianity had become established the religion that came out of Muhammad’s mission viewed Christianity as in need of purifying because the teachings of Jesus had been distorted. In contrast to this Christians are face with a choice. Either Islam is the true religion, Muhammad is a genuine prophet and the Christian should become a Muslim or Islam is a big lie and it must be fought in its entirety. This difference in perspective means that Muslim criticism of Christianity is usually mild, concentrating on only those aspects of Christianity that it considers distortions of the teachings of Jesus, whereas Christian criticism of Islam tries to discredit any part of Islam that gives credibility to its message. The situation is made more difficult for Trinitarian Christians because of the doctrine of salvation. For such people it is primarily the belief in the incarnation of God as a man that they believe guarantees their salvation. Any doubt in this doctrine is tantamount to not really having this belief. and to ever entertain the possibility that Islam is the true religion is to entertain exactly this doubt. This makes the choice much starker: considering the possibility that Islam is the true religion or fighting it. Christian attacks on Islam date from the Crusades during which ‘Western culture’ found its first real sense of identity. This identity was defined as being fundamentally hostile to Islam. Not Islam as it really is but a completely unapologetic pack of lies about Islam. To mention such things may seem a bit strange because it is so far in the past. However, the level of ignorance about Islam continues to astonish and part of this ignorance is due to the persistence of this Christian reaction to Islam – to lie about it. The type of lie has moved on of course because truth eventually prevails. Although some Christians still use them, the charges that Muslims worship Al-Lut (a pre-Islamic pagan god for the moon), or that the use of the honorific title "we" in the Qur’an implies a plurality or trinity of God, or that Muslims are sexually promiscuous, or that Muhammad was the chief idol they worshipped are no longer even remotely tenable. The allegations made to try and discredit Islam these days focus on a number of things none of which stand up to any serious scrutiny. I do not wish to imply that everyone who makes these allegations is a liar – this is certainly not the case. Rather I suppose what typically happens is that some one is all too keen to find something vaguely discrediting and jumps to ignorant conclusions. Either that or they deliberately hide something of what they know so as to present only half the picture. These allegations then get repeated without enough concern for investigating them properly at that stage.

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How do you respond to what Christians say about Islam? There is inevitably a fundamental difference between the way Muslims view Christianity and the way Christians view Islam. Since Muhammad came after Christianity had become established the religion that came out of Muhammad’s mission viewed Christianity as in need of purifying because the teachings of Jesus had been distorted. In contrast to this Christians are face with a choice. Either Islam is the true religion, Muhammad is a genuine prophet and the Christian should become a Muslim or Islam is a big lie and it must be fought in its entirety. This difference in perspective means that Muslim criticism of Christianity is usually mild, concentrating on only those aspects of Christianity that it considers distortions of the teachings of Jesus, whereas Christian criticism of Islam tries to discredit any part of Islam that gives credibility to its message. The situation is made more difficult for Trinitarian Christians because of the doctrine of salvation. For such people it is primarily the belief in the incarnation of God as a man that they believe guarantees their salvation. Any doubt in this doctrine is tantamount to not really having this belief. and to ever entertain the possibility that Islam is the true religion is to entertain exactly this doubt. This makes the choice much starker: considering the possibility that Islam is the true religion or fighting it. Christian attacks on Islam date from the Crusades during which ‘Western culture’ found its first real sense of identity. This identity was defined as being fundamentally hostile to Islam. Not Islam as it really is but a completely unapologetic pack of lies about Islam. To mention such things may seem a bit strange because it is so far in the past. However, the level of ignorance about Islam continues to astonish and part of this ignorance is due to the persistence of this Christian reaction to Islam – to lie about it. The type of lie has moved on of course because truth eventually prevails. Although some Christians still use them, the charges that Muslims worship Al-Lut (a pre-Islamic pagan god for the moon), or that the use of the honorific title "we" in the Qur’an implies a plurality or trinity of God, or that Muslims are sexually promiscuous, or that Muhammad was the chief idol they worshipped are no longer even remotely tenable. The allegations made to try and discredit Islam these days focus on a number of things none of which stand up to any serious scrutiny. I do not wish to imply that everyone who makes these allegations is a liar – this is certainly not the case. Rather I suppose what typically happens is that some one is all too keen to find something vaguely discrediting and jumps to ignorant conclusions. Either that or they deliberately hide something of what they know so as to present only half the picture. These allegations then get repeated without enough concern for investigating them properly at that stage.

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