Christianity QA

Question:

TekPuppet wrote: > I know some people would think religion/belief is a sign of weakness or > even used to control the mass. I’am not of any particular religion and > I’am not guillible. I don’t think I’am stupid. I just have personal > reasons to believe.

I don’t have any interest in getting you to stop believing, so beyond stating what I believe, as I already have, there really isn’t anything more to say.  As one of the Ancient thinkers put it – "Sometimes a person remains human by being silent". Qexugir

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"michelle" <miche…@nowhere.com> wrote in message <news:kIQ_9.9551$RZ.96015@newsfep4-win.server.ntli.net>… > "Spiritus" <spiri…@sanctus.org> wrote in message > news:310120032200310828%spiritus@sanctus.org… > > If I had the pills I’d be dead now. > > Since I told my doc I was suicidal he took away my pills, now I just > > get a weeks worth at a time. Maybe if I timed it a weeks worth would do > > it. > > I just feel I’ve lived long enough. Since my lover died I have no > > reason to live. > > This is the truth, reality,,,, > > I"m in so much pain every day of every week, I can’t see going on like > > this for another month let alone a year!!! > > But without the pills, ( a nice sleep forever ) I have to resort to > > less agreeable methods like hanging, or slitting of arms etc, I’d much > > prefur the pills, just go to sleep forever. > You say you are on Geodon, could you not "temporarily" go back onto the > Zyprexa (and sod the weight gain) just to get you through this?  Zyprexa to > me works miracles in the way of depression.  What would have made me > suicidal a year ago hardly effects me at all.  Is it worth a try?  We don’t > want to lose you sp. > Michelle

Listen don’t do it there are some other things to think about first. No not typical things. Things that may make sense without out giving you some bull. I’m fucked too. I have considered doing myself in a number of times. On the other Hand I’m smart enough to know what the sources are for my distubances. They are not all within you. Take a look aroud. We are also living in a lie. A place where the human soul is lied to, abused, taken for granted, the list goes on and on. Now you may say "ohh look at the flowers" fuck that. That dosn’t erase the fact that all of this evil is only created by our fellow humans. I have this problem that I seem to soak up uncompassion from others. My life has pretty much been hell. Just because I can’t seem to manipulate, or lie, or step on an ant  I get run over by all those you can. Now having a different brain wich causes a different outlook will see things in a way that is wrong. WRONG well maybe according to this death machine we are riding on. Humans turning on humans is the worst nightmare canceling out our potential and keeping this illusion that we are going to get somewhere. We are filled with such lies that all of these negative things just flow out of us without question. And it sure is going to get us real far. But at the same time where are we going if we don’t realize that a human, wich you are, is the most amazingly taken for granted and conditioned animal on tis planet? So Kill yourself if you want. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong. What I am saying is that Humanity is almost to a state of leprosy and the vibe around the planet is fear. Not 100% but 100% in its own regard. And because you being in the center of this and having some majority brain abnormalities you are probably extra sensitive. So it is not all you it’s also the outside. And from the out side everything is on the inside. Please just find something to get interested in for awhile, you still can. Not very far,              Chris

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Qexugir <ustu…@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:3E3BD767.132A69C9@sympatico.ca: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> TekPuppet wrote: >> > I am absolutely certain, and if I am proven wrong, plan not to >> > recognize the authority of any god who couldn’t be bothered to >> > satisfy me about his existence. >> The are billions of people in the planet, do you think your special >> enough to exert such an opinion on a "God"? > I was always told that a person’s relationship with God is personal > and not dependent on what other people believe.  It’s supposed to be > each person’s soul that is important, not some kind of statistical > average, and certainly not the political relationship of religion to > large numbers of people in the profane realm.  No, I’m not special any > more than every other person is special, but I’m alleged to be > deciding the fate of *my* soul and not anyone else’s.  On a putative > judgment day, I wouldn’t speak out to the assembled group of the dead > and say, "All of you, don’t recognize God’s authority"; I would simply > make it clear to him that *I* don’t.

What if you don’t have that choice. If a person believes in God as the creator of all things, then God owns everything and can do as God pleases. > An all-powerful being should be able to convince me that he is real. > If he doesn’t want to take the trouble, then I shan’t take the trouble > to recognize him.

Some would argue that God did send some messengers but I suppose you don’t believe in them. >> > I take that to be the key criterion of truth in this case. >> > I don’t think anyone takes the position that he believes an >> > afterlife exists only while he is alive, but not after he’s dead. >> > It would be hillarious folly. >> Having a belief is what fills the emptyness of everyday distractions. >> Perhaps my hypothetical examples weren’t the best to understand. > Sorry if I misunderstood.  You seemed to be saying something > completely different.  In any case, if it helps you to believe in God, > please go on believing.

I know some people would think religion/belief is a sign of weakness or even used to control the mass. I’am not of any particular religion and I’am not guillible. I don’t think I’am stupid. I just have personal reasons to believe. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Qexugir

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Spiritus wrote: > I just feel I’ve lived long enough. Since my lover died I have no > reason to live. > This is the truth, reality,,,,

How recently did your lover die?  Being close in time to an experience makes it seem more powerful than it has any right to be.  I’ve had a loss that I felt profoundly, and did attempt suicide at one point.  But over time, I healed, and you will too.  Just give yourself time.  Please. Qexugir

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TekPuppet wrote: > > I am absolutely certain, and if I am proven wrong, plan not to > > recognize the authority of any god who couldn’t be bothered to satisfy > > me about his existence. > The are billions of people in the planet, do you think your special > enough to exert such an opinion on a "God"?

I was always told that a person’s relationship with God is personal and not dependent on what other people believe.  It’s supposed to be each person’s soul that is important, not some kind of statistical average, and certainly not the political relationship of religion to large numbers of people in the profane realm.  No, I’m not special any more than every other person is special, but I’m alleged to be deciding the fate of *my* soul and not anyone else’s.  On a putative judgment day, I wouldn’t speak out to the assembled group of the dead and say, "All of you, don’t recognize God’s authority"; I would simply make it clear to him that *I* don’t. An all-powerful being should be able to convince me that he is real.  If he doesn’t want to take the trouble, then I shan’t take the trouble to recognize him. > > I take that to be the key criterion of truth in this case. > > I don’t think anyone takes the position that he believes an afterlife > > exists only while he is alive, but not after he’s dead.  It would be > > hillarious folly. > Having a belief is what fills the emptyness of everyday distractions. > Perhaps my hypothetical examples weren’t the best to understand.

Sorry if I misunderstood.  You seemed to be saying something completely different.  In any case, if it helps you to believe in God, please go on believing. Qexugir

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"Spiritus" <spiri…@sanctus.org> wrote in message

news:310120032200310828%spiritus@sanctus.org… > If I had the pills I’d be dead now. > Since I told my doc I was suicidal he took away my pills, now I just > get a weeks worth at a time. Maybe if I timed it a weeks worth would do > it. > I just feel I’ve lived long enough. Since my lover died I have no > reason to live. > This is the truth, reality,,,, > I"m in so much pain every day of every week, I can’t see going on like > this for another month let alone a year!!! > But without the pills, ( a nice sleep forever ) I have to resort to > less agreeable methods like hanging, or slitting of arms etc, I’d much > prefur the pills, just go to sleep forever.

You say you are on Geodon, could you not "temporarily" go back onto the Zyprexa (and sod the weight gain) just to get you through this?  Zyprexa to me works miracles in the way of depression.  What would have made me suicidal a year ago hardly effects me at all.  Is it worth a try?  We don’t want to lose you sp. Michelle

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In article <AjEY9.3831$RZ.38…@newsfep4-win.server.ntli.net>, michelle – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<miche…@nowhere.com> wrote: > Suicide is normally a way out of a really unhappy situation.  I am not > unhappy, but I truly want to die. > They keep sending me snatches of songs that I know we all sung since time > began, but it’s not just that, they are sending me "feelings".  Awesome, > wonderful feelings of being up there with the stars and looking down on this > pathetic existence as something of the past. > Somewhere out there, I am Michelle, I am the person that has existed since > way beyond time……. I have never, ever condemned anyone, I have never, > ever not forgiven. > It’s like the call of the wild, but it’s more than that, it’s the call of > eternity.  A place where there is sunshine and laughter, a place where we > all belong where there is no fear and only happiness. > A place where I have always been, and my quest here, purely a yardstick to > measure your worth, and your yardstick to measure mine. > There is no such thing as being beyond redemption.  Forgiveness and love is > taken for granted.  And I long to be there.  Is death the only way?  Or > could that place ever be here? > I am not delusional.  This is the truth. > Michelle

If I had the pills I’d be dead now. Since I told my doc I was suicidal he took away my pills, now I just get a weeks worth at a time. Maybe if I timed it a weeks worth would do it. I just feel I’ve lived long enough. Since my lover died I have no reason to live. This is the truth, reality,,,, I"m in so much pain every day of every week, I can’t see going on like this for another month let alone a year!!! But without the pills, ( a nice sleep forever ) I have to resort to less agreeable methods like hanging, or slitting of arms etc, I’d much prefur the pills, just go to sleep forever. SP

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Qexugir <ustu…@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:3E3AED11.9EEB13C0@sympatico.ca: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Gosh, when one works, there is sometimes no bloody time for important > things, like the schizophrenia newsgroup.  I welcome myself back. > TekPuppet wrote: >> > If someone is able to improve his behaviour because of religious >> > convictions, so that he stops stealing and murdering – well, that’s >> > one major argument in favour of the Big Three religions (Judaism, >> > Christianity, and Islam).  I was talking about someone who shuns >> > material comforts and denigrates material achievements – and not >> > just >> > the material ones – because he believes that denying himself things >> > i > n >> > this life will lead to a better afterlife. >> Where would someone get the idea that material denial will lead to a >> better afterlife? > There is huge historical evidence that whole decades of human life > passed in Europe and elsewhere, and ordinary people believed exactly > that.  I also point to saints such as St. Simeon Stylites, who became > saints through material mortification of their selves.  Even today a > person can turn his back on life because it sucks and he expects a > wonderful afterlife for enduring his troubles now. >> > There is also the >> > possibility of being false to oneself and denying oneself certain >> > basic things from a fear of being damned.  Take the by now clich

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