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"US Commission on International Religious Freedom, an independent federal agency" The above tells me everything I need to know

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                                                 JMJ Sultan said that foreigners have been allowed to worship freely in their homes since they began arriving in Saudi Arabia in 1951. But permitting a church in the country "would affect Islam and all Muslims," he reportedly said. I believe that mosques are pretty thin on the ground in the Vatican City as well. Has the Pope banned mosques? VC has an area of less than half a square kilometer, a population of 900 and is the headquarters of the RC church. Does Coca Cola have a Pepsi machine within its corporate headquarters?  VC is an enclave of Italy.

Not so the Vatican is a sovereign country in its own right besides being the spiritual head quarters for over 1 billion Catholics world wide. There are over 130 countries(last count I saw) accredited to the Holy See (the country) including the United States. Being a sovereign country in there own right they have there own agenda as any country does. Reference: "Catholic Almanac" 2001 edition                 page 281-282 Jim Carew sfo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -However Italy has a fast growing population of Muslims and many mosques.

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  typed: Well if you don’t know the answer to that I cant help you.

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Don’t worry – we will soon put an end to that. The Christians are already worried.

They will almost certainly be better off . Tilly —

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Don’t worry – we will soon put an end to that. The Christians are already worried. They will almost certainly be better off .

Right up until the first free election in the new democratic Iraq. Dirk

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Right up until the first free election in the new democratic Iraq.

Pure speculation. Tilly —

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Saudi Arabia is a corporation not a country, considering this fact it is not a wonder that they rule by an iron hand THEIR CORPORATION. All muslim countries respect all other religions!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saudi defense minister says churches will never be allowed in Saudi Arabia Associated Press Riyadh, March 10 Saudi Arabia, as the birthplace of Islam, will not allow churches to be built on its land regardless of the outcry from "fanatics," according to Defense Minister Prince Sultan. "This country was the launch pad for the prophecy and the message, and nothing can contradict this, even if we lose our necks," Sultan told reporters on Saturday. His comments were published by Saudi newspapers and confirmed by several journalists who attended the press conference. "Those who talked (about churches in Saudi Arabia) are church people and they are, unfortunately, fanatics," Sultan said, according to Monday’s Okaz daily newspaper. "We are not against religions at all … but there are no churches – not in the past, the present or future, and I am saying this and I am responsible for what I say. Whoever said this must shut up and be ashamed." Officials at the Defence Ministry in Riyadh would not comment on the remarks. On Thursday, the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, an independent federal agency, complained that a new State Department list of countries that severely limit religious freedom omits several that deserve censure, including US ally Saudi Arabia. The commission’s annual reports say that religious freedom "does not exist" in the Gulf Kingdom. Islam is the only accepted religion in Saudi Arabia, home to the faith’s holiest shrines in Mecca and Medina. "The whole world knows the kingdom and its friendship and loyalty and sincerity in its religion," he said. Sultan said that foreigners have been allowed to worship freely in their homes since they began arriving in Saudi Arabia in 1951. But permitting a church in the country "would affect Islam and all Muslims," he reportedly said. Printed From

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saudi defense minister says churches will never be allowed in Saudi Arabia Associated Press Riyadh, March 10 Saudi Arabia, as the birthplace of Islam, will not allow churches to be built on its land regardless of the outcry from "fanatics," according to Defense Minister Prince Sultan. "This country was the launch pad for the prophecy and the message, and nothing can contradict this, even if we lose our necks," Sultan told reporters on Saturday. His comments were published by Saudi newspapers and confirmed by several journalists who attended the press conference. "Those who talked (about churches in Saudi Arabia) are church people and they are, unfortunately, fanatics," Sultan said, according to Monday’s Okaz daily newspaper. "We are not against religions at all … but there are no churches – not in the past, the present or future, and I am saying this and I am responsible for what I say. Whoever said this must shut up and be ashamed." Officials at the Defence Ministry in Riyadh would not comment on the remarks. On Thursday, the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, an independent federal agency, complained that a new State Department list of countries that severely limit religious freedom omits several that deserve censure, including US ally Saudi Arabia. The commission’s annual reports say that religious freedom "does not exist" in the Gulf Kingdom. Islam is the only accepted religion in Saudi Arabia, home to the faith’s holiest shrines in Mecca and Medina. "The whole world knows the kingdom and its friendship and loyalty and sincerity in its religion," he said. Sultan said that foreigners have been allowed to worship freely in their homes since they began arriving in Saudi Arabia in 1951. But permitting a church in the country "would affect Islam and all Muslims," he reportedly said. I think all Saudi citizens should be allowed to vote on that proposition – it’s only democratic! Dirk Of course. S A is such a bastion of democracy. More to the point, just why *should* it be a democracy? Because that’s what Western liberals believe? Dirk

 Democracy like Haiti, Chile, and Colombia!

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. All muslim countries respect all other religions!

LIAR. Tilly

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saudi defense minister says churches will never be allowed in Saudi  Arabia Associated Press Riyadh, March 10 Saudi Arabia, as the birthplace of Islam, will not allow churches to be built on its land regardless of the outcry from "fanatics," according to Defense Minister Prince Sultan. <SNIP I think all Saudi citizens should be allowed to vote on that proposition – it’s only democratic! 1) When has Saudi Arabia *ever* allowed the public worship/practice of any other faith than Islam (i.e., building churches) 2) When did Saudi Arabia become a "democracy"? (I did see "60 Minutes" last night, where the Emir of Qatar is allowing elections-it was noted that this is highly unusual in this area, to allow the people to vote…*and* allow women as well)

  Good to hear that. These newly formed nation states take their time instead of rushing to become like someone else’s country and avoide getting ruined in the process.  I don’t see anything wrong with that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saudi defense minister says churches will never be allowed in Saudi Arabia Associated Press Riyadh, March 10 Saudi Arabia, as the birthplace of Islam, will not allow churches to be built on its land regardless of the outcry from "fanatics," according to Defense Minister Prince Sultan. "This country was the launch pad for the prophecy and the message, and nothing can contradict this, even if we lose our necks," Sultan told reporters on Saturday. His comments were published by Saudi newspapers and confirmed by several journalists who attended the press conference. "Those who talked (about churches in Saudi Arabia) are church people and they are, unfortunately, fanatics," Sultan said, according to Monday’s Okaz daily newspaper. "We are not against religions at all … but there are no churches – not in the past, the present or future, and I am saying this and I am responsible for what I say. Whoever said this must shut up and be ashamed." Officials at the Defence Ministry in Riyadh would not comment on the remarks. On Thursday, the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, an independent federal agency, complained that a new State Department list of countries that severely limit religious freedom omits several that deserve censure, including US ally Saudi Arabia. The commission’s annual reports say that religious freedom "does not exist" in the Gulf Kingdom. Islam is the only accepted religion in Saudi Arabia, home to the faith’s holiest shrines in Mecca and Medina. "The whole world knows the kingdom and its friendship and loyalty and sincerity in its religion," he said. Sultan said that foreigners have been allowed to worship freely in their homes since they began arriving in Saudi Arabia in 1951. But permitting a church in the country "would affect Islam and all Muslims," he reportedly said. I think all Saudi citizens should be allowed to vote on that proposition – it’s only democratic! Dirk Of course. S A is such a bastion of democracy. More to the point, just why *should* it be a democracy? Because that’s what Western liberals believe? Dirk  Democracy like Haiti, Chile, and Colombia!

Strider talks about Islams tolerance of other religions.What a laugh!!!!!! Haiti,Chile & Columbia all have religious tolerance. Tilly —

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saudi defense minister says churches will never be allowed in Saudi Arabia Associated Press Riyadh, March 10 Saudi Arabia, as the birthplace of Islam, will not allow churches to be built on its land regardless of the outcry from "fanatics," according to Defense Minister Prince Sultan. <SNIP I think all Saudi citizens should be allowed to vote on that proposition – it’s only democratic! 1) When has Saudi Arabia *ever* allowed the public worship/practice of any other faith than Islam (i.e., building churches)

Do you know  any corporations which allow building churches on their company property? of course not! Saudi Arabia is a corporation! 2) When did Saudi Arabia become a "democracy"? (I did see "60 Minutes" last night, where the Emir of Qatar is allowing elections-it was noted that this is highly unusual in this area, to allow the people to vote…*and* allow women as well)

Saudi Arabia became democrfacy at the same time Haiti, El Salvador, Gutemala, Colombia, Chile and Argentina did! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — — Buny to be normal." ~ Albert Camus

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saudi defense minister says churches will never be allowed in Saudi Arabia Associated Press Riyadh, March 10 Saudi Arabia, as the birthplace of Islam, will not allow churches to be built on its land regardless of the outcry from "fanatics," according to Defense Minister Prince Sultan. "This country was the launch pad for the prophecy and the message, and nothing can contradict this, even if we lose our necks," Sultan told reporters on Saturday. His comments were published by Saudi newspapers and confirmed by several journalists who attended the press conference. The funny thing is that Iraq is tolerant of Christianity and Islam as it is a secular state.

I agree with you.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saudi defense minister says churches will never be allowed in Saudi Arabia Associated Press Riyadh, March 10 Well if you don’t know the answer to that I cant help you.

The lack of religious freedom actually worked well for me.  I come from a country that cannot ask for my religous preference and religion makes no difference in the workplace.  In fact, I wish my hometown had a few more Jews.  The Saudis knew I was a Jew and they said not to be concerned because the only religion practiced is Islam.  It was in my favor and most people did not even know.  I can pass as a Christian any time, but I would never lie about what my religion is.  I observed 3 of the prayer times as is my usual practice. Like everything else, there are 2 sides to the coin.  Besides Chrisitians and Jews saw US Military Chaplains all the time in Riyadh at the US embassy. I’m sure the Royal family turned a blind eye to that, unless they discover someone holding a Bible study in their homes.  House arrest was the usual penalty. We all knew they had "files" on us to use at any time.  So I was careful in everything else.  Norma

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saudi defense minister says churches will never be allowed in Saudi Arabia Associated Press Riyadh, March 10 Saudi Arabia, as the birthplace of Islam, will not allow churches to be built on its land regardless of the outcry from "fanatics," according to Defense Minister Prince Sultan. "This country was the launch pad for the prophecy and the message, and nothing can contradict this, even if we lose our necks," Sultan told reporters on Saturday. His comments were published by Saudi newspapers and confirmed by several journalists who attended the press conference. The funny thing is that Iraq is tolerant of Christianity and Islam as it is a secular state. Don’t worry – we will soon put an end to that.

The Christians are already worried.

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Saudi defense minister says churches will never be allowed in Saudi Arabia Associated Press Riyadh, March 10 Saudi Arabia, as the birthplace of Islam, will not allow churches to be built on its land regardless of the outcry from "fanatics," according to Defense Minister Prince Sultan. "This country was the launch pad for the prophecy and the message, and nothing can contradict this, even if we lose our necks," Sultan told reporters on Saturday. His comments were published by Saudi newspapers and confirmed by several journalists who attended the press conference.

The funny thing is that Iraq is tolerant of Christianity and Islam as it is a secular state.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saudi defense minister says churches will never be allowed in Saudi Arabia Associated Press Riyadh, March 10 Saudi Arabia, as the birthplace of Islam, will not allow churches to be built on its land regardless of the outcry from "fanatics," according to Defense Minister Prince Sultan. "This country was the launch pad for the prophecy and the message, and nothing can contradict this, even if we lose our necks," Sultan told reporters on Saturday. His comments were published by Saudi newspapers and confirmed by several journalists who attended the press conference. The funny thing is that Iraq is tolerant of Christianity and Islam as it is a secular state.

Don’t worry – we will soon put an end to that. Dirk

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Sultan said that foreigners have been allowed to worship freely in their homes since they began arriving in Saudi Arabia in 1951. But permitting a church in the country "would affect Islam and all Muslims," he reportedly said. I believe that mosques are pretty thin on the ground in the Vatican City as well. Clough

Has the Pope banned mosques? VC has an area of less than half a square kilometre, a population of 900 and is the headquarters of the RC church. Does Coca Cola have a Pepsi machine within its corporate headquarters?  VC is an enclave of Italy. However Italy has a fast growing population of Muslims and many mosques.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saudi defense minister says churches will never be allowed in Saudi Arabia Associated Press Riyadh, March 10 Saudi Arabia, as the birthplace of Islam, will not allow churches to be built on its land regardless of the outcry from "fanatics," according to Defense Minister Prince Sultan. "This country was the launch pad for the prophecy and the message, and nothing can contradict this, even if we lose our necks," Sultan told reporters on Saturday. His comments were published by Saudi newspapers and confirmed by several journalists who attended the press conference. "Those who talked (about churches in Saudi Arabia) are church people and they are, unfortunately, fanatics," Sultan said, according to Monday’s Okaz daily newspaper. "We are not against religions at all … but there are no churches – not in the past, the present or future, and I am saying this and I am responsible for what I say. Whoever said this must shut up and be ashamed." Officials at the Defence Ministry in Riyadh would not comment on the remarks. On Thursday, the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, an independent federal agency, complained that a new State Department list of countries that severely limit religious freedom omits several that deserve censure, including US ally Saudi Arabia. The commission’s annual reports say that religious freedom "does not exist" in the Gulf Kingdom. Islam is the only accepted religion in Saudi Arabia, home to the faith’s holiest shrines in Mecca and Medina. "The whole world knows the kingdom and its friendship and loyalty and sincerity in its religion," he said. Sultan said that foreigners have been allowed to worship freely in their homes since they began arriving in Saudi Arabia in 1951. But permitting a church in the country "would affect Islam and all Muslims," he reportedly said. I think all Saudi citizens should be allowed to vote on that proposition – it’s only democratic! Dirk Of course. S A is such a bastion of democracy. More to the point, just why *should* it be a democracy? Because that’s what Western liberals believe? Dirk

Well if you don’t know the answer to that I cant help you.

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Sultan said that foreigners have been allowed to worship freely in their homes since they began arriving in Saudi Arabia in 1951. But permitting a church in the country "would affect Islam and all Muslims," he reportedly said.

I believe that mosques are pretty thin on the ground in the Vatican City as well. Clough

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Saudi defense minister says churches will never be allowed in Saudi Arabia Associated Press Riyadh, March 10 Saudi Arabia, as the birthplace of Islam, will not allow churches to be built on its land regardless of the outcry from "fanatics," according to Defense Minister Prince Sultan.

<SNIP I think all Saudi citizens should be allowed to vote on that proposition – it’s only democratic!

1) When has Saudi Arabia *ever* allowed the public worship/practice of any other faith than Islam (i.e., building churches) 2) When did Saudi Arabia become a "democracy"? (I did see "60 Minutes" last night, where the Emir of Qatar is allowing elections-it was noted that this is highly unusual in this area, to allow the people to vote…*and* allow women as well) — — Buny be normal." ~ Albert Camus

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saudi defense minister says churches will never be allowed in Saudi Arabia Associated Press Riyadh, March 10 Saudi Arabia, as the birthplace of Islam, will not allow churches to be built on its land regardless of the outcry from "fanatics," according to Defense Minister Prince Sultan. "This country was the launch pad for the prophecy and the message, and nothing can contradict this, even if we lose our necks," Sultan told reporters on Saturday. His comments were published by Saudi newspapers and confirmed by several journalists who attended the press conference. "Those who talked (about churches in Saudi Arabia) are church people and they are, unfortunately, fanatics," Sultan said, according to Monday’s Okaz daily newspaper. "We are not against religions at all … but there are no churches – not in the past, the present or future, and I am saying this and I am responsible for what I say. Whoever said this must shut up and be ashamed." Officials at the Defence Ministry in Riyadh would not comment on the remarks. On Thursday, the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, an independent federal agency, complained that a new State Department list of countries that severely limit religious freedom omits several that deserve censure, including US ally Saudi Arabia. The commission’s annual reports say that religious freedom "does not exist" in the Gulf Kingdom. Islam is the only accepted religion in Saudi Arabia, home to the faith’s holiest shrines in Mecca and Medina. "The whole world knows the kingdom and its friendship and loyalty and sincerity in its religion," he said. Sultan said that foreigners have been allowed to worship freely in their homes since they began arriving in Saudi Arabia in 1951. But permitting a church in the country "would affect Islam and all Muslims," he reportedly said. I think all Saudi citizens should be allowed to vote on that proposition – it’s only democratic! Dirk Of course. S A is such a bastion of democracy.

More to the point, just why *should* it be a democracy? Because that’s what Western liberals believe? Dirk

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saudi defense minister says churches will never be allowed in Saudi Arabia Associated Press Riyadh, March 10 Saudi Arabia, as the birthplace of Islam, will not allow churches to be built on its land regardless of the outcry from "fanatics," according to Defense Minister Prince Sultan. "This country was the launch pad for the prophecy and the message, and nothing can contradict this, even if we lose our necks," Sultan told reporters on Saturday. His comments were published by Saudi newspapers and confirmed by several journalists who attended the press conference. "Those who talked (about churches in Saudi Arabia) are church people and they are, unfortunately, fanatics," Sultan said, according to Monday’s Okaz daily newspaper. "We are not against religions at all … but there are no churches – not in the past, the present or future, and I am saying this and I am responsible for what I say. Whoever said this must shut up and be ashamed." Officials at the Defence Ministry in Riyadh would not comment on the remarks. On Thursday, the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, an independent federal agency, complained that a new State Department list of countries that severely limit religious freedom omits several that deserve censure, including US ally Saudi Arabia. The commission’s annual reports say that religious freedom "does not exist" in the Gulf Kingdom. Islam is the only accepted religion in Saudi Arabia, home to the faith’s holiest shrines in Mecca and Medina. "The whole world knows the kingdom and its friendship and loyalty and sincerity in its religion," he said. Sultan said that foreigners have been allowed to worship freely in their homes since they began arriving in Saudi Arabia in 1951. But permitting a church in the country "would affect Islam and all Muslims," he reportedly said. I think all Saudi citizens should be allowed to vote on that proposition – it’s only democratic! Dirk

Of course. S A is such a bastion of democracy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saudi defense minister says churches will never be allowed in Saudi Arabia Associated Press Riyadh, March 10 Saudi Arabia, as the birthplace of Islam, will not allow churches to be built on its land regardless of the outcry from "fanatics," according to Defense Minister Prince Sultan. "This country was the launch pad for the prophecy and the message, and nothing can contradict this, even if we lose our necks," Sultan told reporters on Saturday. His comments were published by Saudi newspapers and confirmed by several journalists who attended the press conference. "Those who talked (about churches in Saudi Arabia) are church people and they are, unfortunately, fanatics," Sultan said, according to Monday’s Okaz daily newspaper. "We are not against religions at all … but there are no churches – not in the past, the present or future, and I am saying this and I am responsible for what I say. Whoever said this must shut up and be ashamed." Officials at the Defence Ministry in Riyadh would not comment on the remarks. On Thursday, the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, an independent federal agency, complained that a new State Department list of countries that severely limit religious freedom omits several that deserve censure, including US ally Saudi Arabia. The commission’s annual reports say that religious freedom "does not exist" in the Gulf Kingdom. Islam is the only accepted religion in Saudi Arabia, home to the faith’s holiest shrines in Mecca and Medina. "The whole world knows the kingdom and its friendship and loyalty and sincerity in its religion," he said. Sultan said that foreigners have been allowed to worship freely in their homes since they began arriving in Saudi Arabia in 1951. But permitting a church in the country "would affect Islam and all Muslims," he reportedly said.

I think all Saudi citizens should be allowed to vote on that proposition – it’s only democratic! Dirk

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Saudi defense minister says churches will never be allowed in Saudi Arabia Associated Press Riyadh, March 10 Saudi Arabia, as the birthplace of Islam, will not allow churches to be built on its land regardless of the outcry from "fanatics," according to Defense Minister Prince Sultan. "This country was the launch pad for the prophecy and the message, and nothing can contradict this, even if we lose our necks," Sultan told reporters on Saturday. His comments were published by Saudi newspapers and confirmed by several journalists who attended the press conference. "Those who talked (about churches in Saudi Arabia) are church people and they are, unfortunately, fanatics," Sultan said, according to Monday’s Okaz daily newspaper. "We are not against religions at all … but there are no churches – not in the past, the present or future, and I am saying this and I am responsible for what I say. Whoever said this must shut up and be ashamed." Officials at the Defence Ministry in Riyadh would not comment on the remarks. On Thursday, the US Commission on International Religious Freedom, an independent federal agency, complained that a new State Department list of countries that severely limit religious freedom omits several that deserve censure, including US ally Saudi Arabia. The commission’s annual reports say that religious freedom "does not exist" in the Gulf Kingdom. Islam is the only accepted religion in Saudi Arabia, home to the faith’s holiest shrines in Mecca and Medina. "The whole world knows the kingdom and its friendship and loyalty and sincerity in its religion," he said. Sultan said that foreigners have been allowed to worship freely in their homes since they began arriving in Saudi Arabia in 1951. But permitting a church in the country "would affect Islam and all Muslims," he reportedly said. Printed From

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