Christianity QA

Question:

Dave Oldridge writes: Well, the CHURCH changed it to Sunday, using a power mandated to it by

Jesus Christ to make such changes. Dave, would you give us a source for this?? Is it in the bible somewhere?? Written down somewhere?? Do you have a date for this change?? Can you tell us who made the change?? Please share your knowledge. Then Iknow comes back and notice his glaring omission. Of course you are right.  Though perhaps it was God who choose Sunday as a celebration of the Lord’s resurrection.  Thus leaving the nation of Israel to have the Shabat.  Therefore we have two days to consider: the first shabat in Genesis 1 the second the new covenant    ?

As with Dave, please enlighten us to the source, If perhaps it was GOD, surely it is in the bible. The inspired word of God. No? Don’t have a reference? How about a date?? When exactly was it changed? By who? I notice, when you mention the first Shabat, you quote Genesis 1. But for the second, the new covenant, just a question mark. Does that mean you have no source for this? Please share the knowledge about this. Why do I get the distinct impression that you have no source, no date, no Who, or anything else?? But I am sure you can supply that data, Right?? And listen Iknow. When you post, your address for the Catholic newsgroup, has a comma after religion, and it should be a period. Therefore your message does not get posted there.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes  copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the group) x-no-archive: yes  copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the group) Saturday or Sunday Big arguments swirl around the teaching of the "Sabbeth day".  In Genesis God says "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He rested from all His work which He had made." Gen 2:3.  Now no more is said about the Sabbeth day until Exodus when God told the Israelites that they were to "remember the sabbeth day to keep it holy" Exodus 16:23.  This was and is still a sign between God and the nation of Israel forever, "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed." Exodus 31:17. The seventh day of the week of seven days has been in human history since the very beginning and is a certain indication that God set it up and it has been in place since then.  God did not give iany further instructions on the seventh day again until Exodus and that only to the children of Israel.  God did not give the cerimonial laws to Adam-Abraham, Issac or Jacob.  The reason for this is clear when we read Genesis 3-4.  Adam, while in the Garden had only one restriction.  He could eat on the seveth day, he had no menial work to do and he need not travel anywhere so all the future sabbeth restrictions did not apply to him.  In fact there were no 10 commandments nor the cerimonial laws of Liviticus. When the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross His last words were "It is finished" echoing what He said after the six days of creation Genesis 1:21.  A new day had come and it is celebrated on Sunday the day of resurrection unto new life.  Christ has re-established the original Sabbeth of the Garden of Eden and invited all to come and enjoy His work of redemption.  "Behold, I make all things new." II Cor 5:17.  In the new creation there will be no menial work, not cooking, no traveling, only adroration, paise and honor to Christ as we serve Him for ever. One comment. Sunday (the" Lord’s Day") did not "replace" Sabbath. Sabbath is a Jewish observance. Sunday is the day the disciples chose to celebrate the Resurrection. We are still to have ‘a day of rest’, but as Christians we are allowed to choose our own. jw God bless! j w Of course you are right.  Though perhaps it was God who choose Sunday as a celebration of the Lord’s resurrection. A better way of saying it.  Though I believe the apostles/disciples themselves chose to worship on Sunday (see John 20 for two back-to-back Sunday worship services– both attended by our Lord, and thereby giving His total approval to Sunday Christian worship). The apostles/disciples chose Sunday for their Christian services, and God/Jesus/the Holy Spirit totally endorsed that decision. (If God/Christ/the Holy Spirit had NOT endorsed Sunday Christian worship, certainly Jesus would have made that known when He appeared at their Sunday evening service the evening of the day He rose. Likewise, if God had not approved of Sunday Christian worship, the Holy Spirit would surely have made that disapproval known when He came on Pentecost Sunday and blessed the 1st Church with the Sign gifts. In fact that blessing was tacit approval of Sunday worship.)  Thus leaving the nation of Israel to have the Shabat. Good point. As in, since they rejected their Messiah, they remain under the darkness of the Old Law.  Therefore we have two days to consider: the first shabat in Genesis 1 the second the new covenant    ? Yes. Of course, NOWHERE is Sabbath observance COMMANDED for born again believers; neither is it forbidden. We ARE to have a Sabbath rest, but as Paul pointed out, our "Sabbath rest" is in Christ, not in a day. God bless! jw God bless! j w

Good on ye, John.

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Whether tou pray on saturday or on Sunday or while getting ass fucked makes no difference.You are all praying to a God who doesn’t exist,wasting your time!

You are a rather uncouth character. — Stephen Bayzik

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Whether tou pray on saturday or on Sunday or while getting ass fucked makes no difference.You are all praying to a God who doesn’t exist,wasting your time! You are a rather uncouth character. — Stephen Bayzik Just making a point.Not like there’s aGod to punish me for my fucking

language anyway!Oh,I made another point! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Whether tou pray on saturday or on Sunday or while getting ass fucked makes no difference.You are all praying to a God who doesn’t exist,wasting your time!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saturday or Sunday Big arguments swirl around the teaching of the "Sabbeth day".  In Genesis God says "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He rested from all His work which He had made." Gen 2:3.  Now no more is said about the Sabbeth day until Exodus when God told the Israelites that they were to "remember the sabbeth day to keep it holy" Exodus 16:23.  This was and is still a sign between God and the nation of Israel forever, "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed." Exodus 31:17. The seventh day of the week of seven days has been in human history since the very beginning and is a certain indication that God set it up and it has been in place since then.  God did not give iany further instructions on the seventh day again until Exodus and that only to the children of Israel.  God did not give the cerimonial laws to Adam-Abraham, Issac or Jacob.  The reason for this is clear when we read Genesis 3-4.  Adam, while in the Garden had only one restriction.  He could eat on the seveth day, he had no menial work to do and he need not travel anywhere so all the future sabbeth restrictions did not apply to him.  In fact there were no 10 commandments nor the cerimonial laws of Liviticus. When the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross His last words were "It is finished" echoing what He said after the six days of creation Genesis 1:21.  A new day had come and it is celebrated on Sunday the day of resurrection unto new life.  Christ has re-established the original Sabbeth of the Garden of Eden and invited all to come and enjoy His work of redemption.  "Behold, I make all things new." II Cor 5:17.  In the new creation there will be no menial work, not cooking, no traveling, only adroration, paise and honor to Christ as we serve Him for ever.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saturday or Sunday Big arguments swirl around the teaching of the "Sabbeth day".  In Genesis God says "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He rested from all His work which He had made." Gen 2:3.  Now no more is said about the Sabbeth day until Exodus when God told the Israelites that they were to "remember the sabbeth day to keep it holy" Exodus 16:23.  This was and is still a sign between God and the nation of Israel forever, "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed." Exodus 31:17. The seventh day of the week of seven days has been in human history since the very beginning and is a certain indication that God set it up and it has been in place since then.  God did not give iany further instructions on the seventh day again until Exodus and that only to the children of Israel.  God did not give the cerimonial laws to Adam-Abraham, Issac or Jacob.  The reason for this is clear when we read Genesis 3-4.  Adam, while in the Garden had only one restriction.  He could eat on the seveth day, he had no menial work to do and he need not travel anywhere so all the future sabbeth restrictions did not apply to him.  In fact there were no 10 commandments nor the cerimonial laws of Liviticus. When the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross His last words were "It is finished" echoing what He said after the six days of creation Genesis 1:21.  A new day had come and it is celebrated on Sunday the day of resurrection unto new life.  Christ has re-established the original Sabbeth of the Garden of Eden and invited all to come and enjoy His work of redemption.  "Behold, I make all things new." II Cor 5:17.  In the new creation there will be no menial work, not cooking, no traveling, only adroration, paise and honor to Christ as we serve Him for ever. More self serving crap from this so called religionist. One of the biggest jokes ever scammed on christians was the changing of the Sabbath day. This was done, simply to differ from the Jews. What is so hard about reading Exodus 20: 8. The commandment reads, REMEMBER the Sabbath, to keep it holy. What was that again, REMEMBER the Sabbath!! Why?? To keep it holy. Notice, it does not say, pick a day and keep it holy. Was the Saturday Sabbath the one Jesus celebrated?? Of course it was. Maybe Iknow will quote one verse, where Jesus says the Sabbath has been changed. He quotes Genesis 1:21 and says that God said it is finished. Verse 21 says no such thing. Neither does Genesis. In other words, Iknow makes that up. The Sabbath was changed by men. Not by Jesus. And not to celebrate his rising from the grave, but to make them different from the Jews. And they picked not the day that Jesus rose, but they Picked the Pagan day of the Sun.  This was the day of Sol Ivictus, the Sun God of Rome. Same with the birthday of Jesus, they picked the birthday of the Sun. Another pagan festival. But you will always have a clown like Iknow, who will try and quote bible verses to justify the ways of MAN. But God said, REMEMBER the sabbath, That is the first part of the commandment. The second part is why, TO KEEP IT HOLY. Jesus dealt with people like Iknow, when he said, "Get thee behind me Satan: thou art an offence unto me; for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those things that be of men." God made Saturday the Sabbath. Man changed it to Sunday.

Well, the CHURCH changed it to Sunday, using a power mandated to it by Jesus Christ to make such changes. — Dave Oldridge+ ICQ 1800667 A false witness is worse than no witness at all.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes  copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the group) Saturday or Sunday Big arguments swirl around the teaching of the "Sabbeth day".  In Genesis God says "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He rested from all His work which He had made." Gen 2:3.  Now no more is said about the Sabbeth day until Exodus when God told the Israelites that they were to "remember the sabbeth day to keep it holy" Exodus 16:23.  This was and is still a sign between God and the nation of Israel forever, "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed." Exodus 31:17. The seventh day of the week of seven days has been in human history since the very beginning and is a certain indication that God set it up and it has been in place since then.  God did not give iany further instructions on the seventh day again until Exodus and that only to the children of Israel.  God did not give the cerimonial laws to Adam-Abraham, Issac or Jacob.  The reason for this is clear when we read Genesis 3-4.  Adam, while in the Garden had only one restriction.  He could eat on the seveth day, he had no menial work to do and he need not travel anywhere so all the future sabbeth restrictions did not apply to him.  In fact there were no 10 commandments nor the cerimonial laws of Liviticus. When the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross His last words were "It is finished" echoing what He said after the six days of creation Genesis 1:21.  A new day had come and it is celebrated on Sunday the day of resurrection unto new life.  Christ has re-established the original Sabbeth of the Garden of Eden and invited all to come and enjoy His work of redemption.  "Behold, I make all things new." II Cor 5:17.  In the new creation there will be no menial work, not cooking, no traveling, only adroration, paise and honor to Christ as we serve Him for ever. One comment. Sunday (the" Lord’s Day") did not "replace" Sabbath. Sabbath is a Jewish observance. Sunday is the day the disciples chose to celebrate the Resurrection. We are still to have ‘a day of rest’, but as Christians we are allowed to choose our own. jw God bless! j w

Of course you are right.  Though perhaps it was God who choose Sunday as a celebration of the Lord’s resurrection.  Thus leaving the nation of Israel to have the Shabat.  Therefore we have two days to consider: the first shabat in Genesis 1 the second the new covenant    ?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – x-no-archive: yes copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the group) Saturday or Sunday Big arguments swirl around the teaching of the "Sabbeth day".  In Genesis God says "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He rested from all His work which He had made." Gen 2:3.  Now no more is said about the Sabbeth day until Exodus when God told the Israelites that they were to "remember the sabbeth day to keep it holy" Exodus 16:23.  This was and is still a sign between God and the nation of Israel forever, "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed." Exodus 31:17. The seventh day of the week of seven days has been in human history since the very beginning and is a certain indication that God set it up and it has been in place since then.  God did not give iany further instructions on the seventh day again until Exodus and that only to the children of Israel.  God did not give the cerimonial laws to Adam-Abraham, Issac or Jacob.  The reason for this is clear when we read Genesis 3-4.  Adam, while in the Garden had only one restriction.  He could eat on the seveth day, he had no menial work to do and he need not travel anywhere so all the future sabbeth restrictions did not apply to him.  In fact there were no 10 commandments nor the cerimonial laws of Liviticus. When the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross His last words were "It is finished" echoing what He said after the six days of creation Genesis 1:21.  A new day had come and it is celebrated on Sunday the day of resurrection unto new life.  Christ has re-established the original Sabbeth of the Garden of Eden and invited all to come and enjoy His work of redemption.  "Behold, I make all things new." II Cor 5:17.  In the new creation there will be no menial work, not cooking, no traveling, only adroration, paise and honor to Christ as we serve Him for ever. One comment. Sunday (the" Lord’s Day") did not "replace" Sabbath. Sabbath is a Jewish observance. Sunday is the day the disciples chose to celebrate the Resurrection. We are still to have ‘a day of rest’, but as Christians we are allowed to choose our own. jw God bless! j w Of course you are right.  Though perhaps it was God who choose Sunday as a celebration of the Lord’s resurrection.  Thus leaving the nation of Israel to have the Shabat.  Therefore we have two days to consider: the first shabat in Genesis 1 the second the new covenant    ?

Take the day off IKHDY.  Give it a rest.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saturday or Sunday Big arguments swirl around the teaching of the "Sabbeth day".  In Genesis God says "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He rested from all His work which He had made." Gen 2:3.  Now no more is said about the Sabbeth day until Exodus when God told the Israelites that they were to "remember the sabbeth day to keep it holy" Exodus 16:23.  This was and is still a sign between God and the nation of Israel forever, "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed." Exodus 31:17. The seventh day of the week of seven days has been in human history since the very beginning and is a certain indication that God set it up and it has been in place since then.  God did not give iany further instructions on the seventh day again until Exodus and that only to the children of Israel.  God did not give the cerimonial laws to Adam-Abraham, Issac or Jacob.  The reason for this is clear when we read Genesis 3-4.  Adam, while in the Garden had only one restriction.  He could eat on the seveth day, he had no menial work to do and he need not travel anywhere so all the future sabbeth restrictions did not apply to him.  In fact there were no 10 commandments nor the cerimonial laws of Liviticus. When the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross His last words were "It is finished" echoing what He said after the six days of creation Genesis 1:21.  A new day had come and it is celebrated on Sunday the day of resurrection unto new life.  Christ has re-established the original Sabbeth of the Garden of Eden and invited all to come and enjoy His work of redemption.  "Behold, I make all things new." II Cor 5:17.  In the new creation there will be no menial work, not cooking, no traveling, only adroration, paise and honor to Christ as we serve Him for ever.

More self serving crap from this so called religionist. One of the biggest jokes ever scammed on christians was the changing of the Sabbath day. This was done, simply to differ from the Jews. What is so hard about reading Exodus 20: 8. The commandment reads, REMEMBER the Sabbath, to keep it holy. What was that again, REMEMBER the Sabbath!! Why?? To keep it holy. Notice, it does not say, pick a day and keep it holy. Was the Saturday Sabbath the one Jesus celebrated?? Of course it was. Maybe Iknow will quote one verse, where Jesus says the Sabbath has been changed. He quotes Genesis 1:21 and says that God said it is finished. Verse 21 says no such thing. Neither does Genesis. In other words, Iknow makes that up. The Sabbath was changed by men. Not by Jesus. And not to celebrate his rising from the grave, but to make them different from the Jews. And they picked not the day that Jesus rose, but they Picked the Pagan day of the Sun.  This was the day of Sol Ivictus, the Sun God of Rome. Same with the birthday of Jesus, they picked the birthday of the Sun. Another pagan festival. But you will always have a clown like Iknow, who will try and quote bible verses to justify the ways of MAN. But God said, REMEMBER the sabbath, That is the first part of the commandment. The second part is why, TO KEEP IT HOLY. Jesus dealt with people like Iknow, when he said, "Get thee behind me Satan: thou art an offence unto me; for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those things that be of men." God made Saturday the Sabbath. Man changed it to Sunday.

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Saturday or Sunday Big arguments swirl around the teaching of the "Sabbeth day".  In Genesis God says "And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it He rested from all His work which He had made." Gen 2:3.  Now no more is said about the Sabbeth day until Exodus when God told the Israelites that they were to "remember the sabbeth day to keep it holy" Exodus 16:23.  This was and is still a sign between God and the nation of Israel forever, "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed." Exodus 31:17. The seventh day of the week of seven days has been in human history since the very beginning and is a certain indication that God set it up and it has been in place since then.  God did not give iany further instructions on the seventh day again until Exodus and that only to the children of Israel.  God did not give the cerimonial laws to Adam-Abraham, Issac or Jacob.  The reason for this is clear when we read Genesis 3-4.  Adam, while in the Garden had only one restriction.  He could eat on the seveth day, he had no menial work to do and he need not travel anywhere so all the future sabbeth restrictions did not apply to him.  In fact there were no 10 commandments nor the cerimonial laws of Liviticus. When the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross His last words were "It is finished" echoing what He said after the six days of creation Genesis 1:21.  A new day had come and it is celebrated on Sunday the day of resurrection unto new life.  Christ has re-established the original Sabbeth of the Garden of Eden and invited all to come and enjoy His work of redemption.  "Behold, I make all things new." II Cor 5:17.  In the new creation there will be no menial work, not cooking, no traveling, only adroration, paise and honor to Christ as we serve Him for ever.

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