Christianity QA

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – YM1 (AKA IKnowNothingButWorshipAtTheAltarOfConservatism) Our country is now experiencing the effect of tyranny with the rulings coming down from our courts.   JERRY You mean like the one where they appointed Bush President? MARK President Bush was lawfully elected by a majority vote in Florida on the first count and was certified by Catherin Harris. JERRY By a margin so narrow that a recount would be called for.  As for Katherine Harris, she was Jeb Bush’s nominee for that position and had more than a passing interest in Bush’s election, hardly grounds to say there was no conflict of interest. MARK Bush also got the majority vote on the two recounts. JERRY No, he didn’t.  

Yes, He did. Gore first asked for a recount of just two counties which were primarily urban and tended to lean toward Democrats.  

You are forgetting the automatic recount conducted because the vote was so close.  Bush won the recount too.  The election is over. Bush won. The Republicans went to the US Supreme Court which said that you would have to recount all of the ballots or none.  The Florida Supreme Court, having been "corrected," ordered the recounting of all the ballots.  The Republicans then went to the US Supreme Court again as a "friend of the court" and appealed the recounts.  The Supremes, by a 5-4 margin, claimed that the date for reporting the results (which had been slipped twice in the past) was now a hard and fast date and claimed that Florida could not possibly meet that deadline and ordered the recount stopped.  

Yes, the Supreme Court stopped the Florida courts from endlessly interfering with a lawfull election. Well done. This effectively made Bush Jr. President.

No. A simple count of the votes made Bush the President.

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<snipped The Supremes, by a 5-4 margin, claimed that the date for reporting the results (which had been slipped twice in the past) was now a hard and fast date and claimed that Florida could not possibly meet that deadline and ordered the recount stopped.  This effectively made Bush Jr. President. They stopped the count first! Then a few days later, they made their ruling. This is important because the recount could have been completed on time if they hadn’t already stopped the counting. It was pure hypocrisy to stop the count and then later rule there wasn’t time to complete it.

JERRY That’s true, they stopped the counting over the weekend and then made their ruling early in the following week.

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<snipped The Supremes, by a 5-4 margin, claimed that the date for reporting the results (which had been slipped twice in the past) was now a hard and fast date and claimed that Florida could not possibly meet that deadline and ordered the recount stopped.  This effectively made Bush Jr. President.

They stopped the count first! Then a few days later, they made their ruling. This is important because the recount could have been completed on time if they hadn’t already stopped the counting. It was pure hypocrisy to stop the count and then later rule there wasn’t time to complete it.

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Why wouldn’t they?  The Founding Fathers established the nation on religious Christian principles and in 1787, provided that Christianity (they used the word religion but their own testimony is not Mohamudism, Judaica, nor atheism) was central to the health of the American Republic.

No, they did not. Our founding fathers rebelled against a government founded on the principles of Christianity.  Something the bible explicitly forbid them from doing: Romans 13 1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. The above Christian principles are what gave us the divine right of kings.  That Kings were appointed by God.  And Kings ruled over the people for centuries on those Christian principles. Our founding fathers rebelled against that.  Our government is a government based on the principles of Natural Law.  Under these principles, the government is not established by God, as the book of Romans states.  But rather, government is a contract with the people. That is why there is a Constitution.  It is the contract.  And that is why that contact starts out with ‘We the People…’. Under Natural Law, the *PEOPLE* have unalienable rights given to them by God.  This is very unlike Christian principles, in which God gave Kings the divine right to rule as spelled out in the book of Romans. Our government is a government established by the *PEOPLE*, not God.

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YM1 (AKA IKnowNothingButWorshipAtTheAltarOfConservatism) Our country is now experiencing the effect of tyranny with the rulings coming down from our courts.   JERRY You mean like the one where they appointed Bush President?

President Bush was lawfully elected by a majority vote in Florida on the first count and was certified by Catherin Harris. Bush also got the majority vote on the two recounts. The Supreme Court did an outstanding job of stopping the Florida courts from interfering with a proper and lawful election, and a voting process which was agreed to by both the Democratic and Republican parties before hand.

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YM1 (AKA IKnowNothingButWorshipAtTheAltarOfConservatism) Our country is now experiencing the effect of tyranny with the rulings coming down from our courts.   JERRY You mean like the one where they appointed Bush President? MARK President Bush was lawfully elected by a majority vote in Florida on the first count and was certified by Catherin Harris.

JERRY By a margin so narrow that a recount would be called for.  As for Katherine Harris, she was Jeb Bush’s nominee for that position and had more than a passing interest in Bush’s election, hardly grounds to say there was no conflict of interest. MARK Bush also got the majority vote on the two recounts.

JERRY No, he didn’t.  Gore first asked for a recount of just two counties which were primarily urban and tended to lean toward Democrats.  The Republicans went to the US Supreme Court which said that you would have to recount all of the ballots or none.  The Florida Supreme Court, having been "corrected," ordered the recounting of all the ballots.  The Republicans then went to the US Supreme Court again as a "friend of the court" and appealed the recounts.  The Supremes, by a 5-4 margin, claimed that the date for reporting the results (which had been slipped twice in the past) was now a hard and fast date and claimed that Florida could not possibly meet that deadline and ordered the recount stopped.  This effectively made Bush Jr. President. The State of Florida, under the auspices of the same aforementioned Katherine Harris, created a legal obstacle course for the Miami Herald to get the ballots so that they could conduct their own recount.  They were finally granted the ballots to recount in August 2001.  On September 9, 2001, the country felt that they had to band together and behind Bush as a President in time of war. In October 2001, the Miami Herald released it’s totals.  Had Gore been granted only the recounts of the two counties he had requested, he would still have lost.  Had the Supreme Court allowed the recounts of the entire state of Florida, Gore would have won. An interesting statement also needs to be made here.  Jeb Bush promised the state of Florida to his brother and nearly made it happen with a series of questionable decisions. First, duplicate copies of absentee ballots were sent out.  The majority of absentee ballots generally go to military members who are out of state and tend to vote Republican.  There were at least two stories done on this and even Yahoo news covered it.  Many military members voted twice and when those ballots were being recounted, Republicans lobbied, and got, the right for all absentee ballots to count without having to be checked again. On top of that, a year before the election Bush and Harris scrubbed the list of voters in those same two Florida counties against a list of former prisoners who had been released from Florida prisons.  The list was comprised of first and last names and Bush and Harris were told by the company doing the scrub that such a scrub would likely resort to a number of eligible voters being removed from the rolls. That was ok’d by Bush. To add insult to injury, a second list from another state of former prisoners who had been released was scrubbed against those two counties.  The reason?  There was "reason to believe" that the prisoners released from prisons in this state would have headed to Florida.  The state that donated this second list?  Texas, of course. The upshot was, Bush lost the election but stole it anyway with the assistance of the Republican majority of the Supreme Court, despite having the least amount of votes and despite the fact that had the recount been allowed to be completed, Gore would also have won the electoral congress. What you witnessed in this country in November 2000 was nothing less than a coup d’etat where one minority stole the election for a privileged few. (and we have the nerve to send people to other countries to try to ensure that their elections aren’t defrauded.  I’ll bet the Bushies laugh loud and long on that.) The Supreme Court did an – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – outstanding job of stopping the Florida courts from interfering with a proper and lawful election, and a voting process which was agreed to by both the Democratic and Republican parties before hand.

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People are showing respect for other cultures and customs as never before in human history. did u mean to say everybody but u ?

Are "u" 12 years old? and are "u" just learning how to use a computer? or did "u" actually have a point to make here?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – People in Black Robes Our country is now experiencing the effect of tyranny with the rulings coming down from our courts.  They are not really rulings but dictations by tyrannts who are not elected.  These people in black robes have appointed themselves dictators over all of us and are now making laws. Last time in checked, only the United States Congress was making federal law. The "people in the black robes" are operating totally within the United States Constitution.  Are you advocating an overthrow of the Constitution?  Thats Treason.  Do you want to spend the rest of your life in Prison? This is a very dangerous time On the contrary, this is a wonderful time to be alive. The standard of living around the world has never been higher.  Slavery is still outlawed. the Courts are vigorously enforcing equal rights for everyone. Freedom of speech is running rampant in the world and on the internet. People are showing respect for other cultures and customs as never before in human history.

did u mean to say everybody but u ? its a great time to be alive, take your medicine so all of your schizophrenic paranoid delusions go away and enjoy the day. It seems that only a complete house cleaning by impeachment and election can turn us around-but even that may be to late. There will be a regular election soon. Whats your hurry?  Oh thats right, I forgot, you are insane.  They probably don’t let you vote from the rubber room.  Wish they wouldn’t supply you with a computer.

– of all the songs sung from the dawn of creation, some were meant to persist. of all the bells rung from a thousand steeples, none ring truer than this, its all God’s children singing glory glory, hallelujah He

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<snipped IOW, you believe that Christians should be denied freedom of speech in a Christian nation?  Why?  The nation was not founded on atheism, according to Article 7 of the Constituion, Jesus Christ is Lord of the Nation.

First, it doesn’t say "Jesus Christ", but "Lord". And it is in reference to the year.  That’s what the "1787AD" means, Anno Domini, year of the Lord. Saying "1787AD" does not constitute an endorsement of religion, nor does saying 2000BC make you a Christian. Article. VII. . . . Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names, . . . http://www.archives.gov/national_archives_experience/constitution_tra…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – People in Black Robes [snip] Complete hogwash. This country has the most religious freedom of any in the world.  You can go to church seven days a week if you desire.  You can live in your church if that what suits you. And let us not forget that churches are legally exempt from paying taxes, thus forcing secular businesses to pay a heavier burden to support them. Why wouldn’t they?  The Founding Fathers established the nation on religious Christian principles

That must be why the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli, which was *unanimously* passed by the Senate and signed by President John Adams, proclaimed that "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion". and in 1787, provided that Christianity (they used the word religion but their own testimony is not Mohamudism, Judaica, nor atheism)

Astounding though it may seem to you, there are more than three religions in the world, and anyone who uses the word "religion" is not automatically referring to one particular religion. [...]  You can indoctrinate your children in the teaching of Jesus Christ.  You don’t even have to send your children to public school.  You can send them to private school where they can learn about Jesus every single day. Churches can broadcast their sermons out over the public airwaves.  You can write books, distribute literature, create websites, post to usenet groups, even go door-to-door and annoy people with your babble. You can also appear on one of the many television channels that are exclusively owned by Christians and used exclusively to promote Christianity. IOW, you believe that Christians should be denied freedom of speech in a Christian nation?

What on earth are you talking about? That is the exact opposite of what I said. Why?  The nation was not founded on atheism, according to Article 7 of the Constituion, Jesus Christ is Lord of the Nation.

That’s a laugh. How did you reach that conclusion? Because it uses the BC/AD system for numbering years? By that same logic one could equally well conclude that *you* are worshipping the Norse gods whenever you make reference to any of the days of the week. [...] It doesn’t matter how powerful his view is – he has to have all others suppressed also, because the idea of a fair fight is intolerable to him. Tee hee hee, the Constitution does not provide any rights at all. It provides that the inalienable right from God of individual freedom of religion CAN NOT BE TAKEN AWAY by the federal government.

Exactly! And for the goverment to officially support one particular religion takes away the individual freedom of people who practice a different religion. For example, if public schools officially taught that the story of creation as given in the Hindu Vedas was true and accurate, would you not believe that your individual freedom to teach your children Christianity was being taken away by the federal government? It does not provided that Congress shall establish atheism as the national state religion

Atheism is not the "state religion". Again we see how fundamentalist Christians cannot understand how failure to officially support their religion could be anything other than official persecution of their religion. In reality, the government is and must be religiously neutral, neither favoring one religion over others, or favoring all religions over none. Now, maybe if our coins and our pledge said "one nation under no god", you might have a point; as it is, you have none. — "We have loved the stars too fondly     | a.a. #2001 to be fearful of the night."            | http://www.ebonmusings.org –Tombstone epitaph of                  | e-mail: ebonmuse!hotmail.com   two amateur astronomers,              | ICQ: 8777843   quoted in Carl Sagan’s _Cosmos_       | PGP Key ID: 0×5C66F737

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – People in Black Robes [snip] Complete hogwash. This country has the most religious freedom of any in the world.  You can go to church seven days a week if you desire.  You can live in your church if that what suits you. And let us not forget that churches are legally exempt from paying taxes, thus forcing secular businesses to pay a heavier burden to support them. Why wouldn’t they?  The Founding Fathers established the nation on religious Christian principles and in 1787, provided that Christianity (they used the word religion but their own testimony is not Mohamudism, Judaica, nor atheism) was central to the health of the American Republic.

You can make this claim all you want, but it won’t make it true. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  You can indoctrinate your children in the teaching of Jesus Christ.  You don’t even have to send your children to public school.  You can send them to private school where they can learn about Jesus every single day. Churches can broadcast their sermons out over the public airwaves.  You can write books, distribute literature, create websites, post to usenet groups, even go door-to-door and annoy people with your babble. You can also appear on one of the many television channels that are exclusively owned by Christians and used exclusively to promote Christianity. IOW, you believe that Christians should be denied freedom of speech in a Christian nation?  Why?  The nation was not founded on atheism, according to Article 7 of the Constituion, Jesus Christ is Lord of the Nation.

Your false claim is obvious to anyone who reads the constitution. If you aren’t doing any or all of these things, don’t blame me, don’t blame some liberal judge.  Instead, go look in a mirror.  You have nobody to blame but yourself. What you can’t do is hijack the government, a government by the people, not God, and use it to shove your religion down everybody’s throat. To would-be theocratic tyrants like IKHDY, anything less than direct governmental promotion and official recognition of his religion as the only approved one counts as persecution. Tee hee hee, America was founded on Christianity and the indespensible welding of Christian principles and civil government.

False, as usual. Let’s see, so far you have shown an arrogant ignorance of science, government and religion, do you have any other lies you would like to pass along? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It doesn’t matter how powerful his view is – he has to have all others suppressed also, because the idea of a fair fight is intolerable to him. Tee hee hee, the Constitution does not provide any rights at all. It provides that the inalienable right from God of individual freedom of religion CAN NOT BE TAKEN AWAY by the federal government.  It does not provided that Congress shall establish atheism as the national state religion by cencoring God from the public square nor that Congress or one atheist judge shall overturn the will of the people who live in  a nation who places its trust in God, not man. Nope. Wrong again. And that is what keeps you free to do all those other things. But I don’t expect you to understand that.  It’s people like you the founding fathers were protecting us from. Well said. Tee hee hee, you got history upside down, but what would we expect.

I’ve never seen you get your history correct.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – People in Black Robes [snip] Complete hogwash. This country has the most religious freedom of any in the world.  You can go to church seven days a week if you desire.  You can live in your church if that what suits you. And let us not forget that churches are legally exempt from paying taxes, thus forcing secular businesses to pay a heavier burden to support them. Burt: Why wouldn’t they?  The Founding Fathers established the nation on religious Christian principles and in 1787, provided that Christianity (they used the word religion but their own testimony is not Mohamudism, Judaica, nor atheism) was central to the health of the American Republic.

Tom: Tee hee hee, big difference between "religion" and Christianity, Burt. No wonder you have so many problems, you can’t read. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  You can indoctrinate your children in the teaching of Jesus Christ.  You don’t even have to send your children to public school.  You can send them to private school where they can learn about Jesus every single day. Churches can broadcast their sermons out over the public airwaves. You can write books, distribute literature, create websites, post to usenet groups, even go door-to-door and annoy people with your babble. You can also appear on one of the many television channels that are exclusively owned by Christians and used exclusively to promote Christianity. Burt: IOW, you believe that Christians should be denied freedom of speech in a Christian nation?  Why?  The nation was not founded on atheism, according to Article 7 of the Constituion, Jesus Christ is Lord of the Nation.

Tom: Tee hee hee, after "IOW" comes a lie and in this case it is a big one. Where did he say that Christians should be denied freedom of speech? Damn Burt, I must have missed that part of the Constitution that said Jesus Christ was Lord of our nation. Are you certain that your reading comprehension problem isn’t cropping up again? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you aren’t doing any or all of these things, don’t blame me, don’t blame some liberal judge.  Instead, go look in a mirror.  You have nobody to blame but yourself. What you can’t do is hijack the government, a government by the people, not God, and use it to shove your religion down everybody’s throat. To would-be theocratic tyrants like IKHDY, anything less than direct governmental promotion and official recognition of his religion as the only approved one counts as persecution. Burt: Tee hee hee, America was founded on Christianity and the indespensible welding of Christian principles and civil government.

Tom: Tee hee hee, you haven’t shown it was founded on Christianity yet. It doesn’t matter how powerful his view is – he has to have all others suppressed also, because the idea of a fair fight is intolerable to him. Burt: Tee hee hee, the Constitution does not provide any rights at all. It provides that the inalienable right from God of individual freedom of religion CAN NOT BE TAKEN AWAY by the federal government.  It does not provided that Congress shall establish atheism as the national state religion by cencoring God from the public square nor that Congress or one atheist judge shall overturn the will of the people who live in  a nation who places its trust in God, not man.

Tom: Tee hee hee, it also doesn’t provide that Christians should reign supreme. Do you have a point with this post? And that is what keeps you free to do all those other things. But I don’t expect you to understand that.  It’s people like you the founding fathers were protecting us from. Well said. Burt: Tee hee hee, you got history upside down, but what would we expect.

Tom: Tee hee hee, fundie Christians are the biggest threat to individual freedoms in this country.

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People in Black Robes Our country is now experiencing the effect of tyranny with the rulings coming down from our courts.  They are not really rulings but dictations by tyrannts who are not elected.  These people in black robes have appointed themselves dictators over all of us and are now making laws.

Last time in checked, only the United States Congress was making federal law. The "people in the black robes" are operating totally within the United States Constitution.  Are you advocating an overthrow of the Constitution?  Thats Treason.  Do you want to spend the rest of your life in Prison? This is a very dangerous time

On the contrary, this is a wonderful time to be alive. The standard of living around the world has never been higher.  Slavery is still outlawed. the Courts are vigorously enforcing equal rights for everyone. Freedom of speech is running rampant in the world and on the internet. People are showing respect for other cultures and customs as never before in human history. its a great time to be alive, take your medicine so all of your schizophrenic paranoid delusions go away and enjoy the day. It seems that only a complete house cleaning by impeachment and election can turn us around-but even that may be to late.

There will be a regular election soon. Whats your hurry?  Oh thats right, I forgot, you are insane.  They probably don’t let you vote from the rubber room.  Wish they wouldn’t supply you with a computer.

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People in Black Robes

[snip] Complete hogwash. This country has the most religious freedom of any in the world.  You can go to church seven days a week if you desire.  You can live in your church if that what suits you.  You can indoctrinate your children in the teaching of Jesus Christ.  You don’t even have to send your children to public school.  You can send them to private school where they can learn about Jesus every single day. Churches can broadcast their sermons out over the public airwaves.  You can write books, distribute literature, create websites, post to usenet groups, even go door-to-door and annoy people with your babble. If you aren’t doing any or all of these things, don’t blame me, don’t blame some liberal judge.  Instead, go look in a mirror.  You have nobody to blame but yourself. What you can’t do is hijack the government, a government by the people, not God, and use it to shove your religion down everybody’s throat. And that is what keeps you free to do all those other things. But I don’t expect you to understand that.  It’s people like you the founding fathers were protecting us from.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – People in Black Robes [snip] Complete hogwash. This country has the most religious freedom of any in the world.  You can go to church seven days a week if you desire.  You can live in your church if that what suits you. And let us not forget that churches are legally exempt from paying taxes, thus forcing secular businesses to pay a heavier burden to support them.

Why wouldn’t they?  The Founding Fathers established the nation on religious Christian principles and in 1787, provided that Christianity (they used the word religion but their own testimony is not Mohamudism, Judaica, nor atheism) was central to the health of the American Republic.  You can indoctrinate your children in the teaching of Jesus Christ.  You don’t even have to send your children to public school.  You can send them to private school where they can learn about Jesus every single day. Churches can broadcast their sermons out over the public airwaves.  You can write books, distribute literature, create websites, post to usenet groups, even go door-to-door and annoy people with your babble. You can also appear on one of the many television channels that are exclusively owned by Christians and used exclusively to promote Christianity.

IOW, you believe that Christians should be denied freedom of speech in a Christian nation?  Why?  The nation was not founded on atheism, according to Article 7 of the Constituion, Jesus Christ is Lord of the Nation. If you aren’t doing any or all of these things, don’t blame me, don’t blame some liberal judge.  Instead, go look in a mirror.  You have nobody to blame but yourself. What you can’t do is hijack the government, a government by the people, not God, and use it to shove your religion down everybody’s throat. To would-be theocratic tyrants like IKHDY, anything less than direct governmental promotion and official recognition of his religion as the only approved one counts as persecution.

Tee hee hee, America was founded on Christianity and the indespensible welding of Christian principles and civil government. It doesn’t matter how powerful his view is – he has to have all others suppressed also, because the idea of a fair fight is intolerable to him.

Tee hee hee, the Constitution does not provide any rights at all. It provides that the inalienable right from God of individual freedom of religion CAN NOT BE TAKEN AWAY by the federal government.  It does not provided that Congress shall establish atheism as the national state religion by cencoring God from the public square nor that Congress or one atheist judge shall overturn the will of the people who live in  a nation who places its trust in God, not man. And that is what keeps you free to do all those other things. But I don’t expect you to understand that.  It’s people like you the founding fathers were protecting us from. Well said.

Tee hee hee, you got history upside down, but what would we expect.

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People in Black Robes [snip] Complete hogwash. This country has the most religious freedom of any in the world.  You can go to church seven days a week if you desire.  You can live in your church if that what suits you.

And let us not forget that churches are legally exempt from paying taxes, thus forcing secular businesses to pay a heavier burden to support them.  You can indoctrinate your children in the teaching of Jesus Christ.  You don’t even have to send your children to public school.  You can send them to private school where they can learn about Jesus every single day. Churches can broadcast their sermons out over the public airwaves.  You can write books, distribute literature, create websites, post to usenet groups, even go door-to-door and annoy people with your babble.

You can also appear on one of the many television channels that are exclusively owned by Christians and used exclusively to promote Christianity. If you aren’t doing any or all of these things, don’t blame me, don’t blame some liberal judge.  Instead, go look in a mirror.  You have nobody to blame but yourself. What you can’t do is hijack the government, a government by the people, not God, and use it to shove your religion down everybody’s throat.

To would-be theocratic tyrants like IKHDY, anything less than direct governmental promotion and official recognition of his religion as the only approved one counts as persecution. It doesn’t matter how powerful his view is – he has to have all others suppressed also, because the idea of a fair fight is intolerable to him. And that is what keeps you free to do all those other things. But I don’t expect you to understand that.  It’s people like you the founding fathers were protecting us from.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – People in Black Robes Our country is now experiencing the effect of tyranny with the rulings coming down from our courts.  They are not really rulings but dictations by tyrannts who are not elected.  These people in black robes have appointed themselves dictators over all of us and are now making laws. This is a very dangerous time and will lead to the likes of the false religions where people in black robes demand that they be obeyed and that they are the only ones who can read and interpret the Bible.  God say:    "He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemeth the just,     even they both are an abomination to the Lord" Proverbs 17:15 Our constitution has been made meaningless by these black robed abominations.  They have indeed justified sodomy(anal copulation between males) as a standard. At the same time they have refused to uphold the public display of God’s 10 commandments.  They reward the wicked and condemeth the just.  What will be their reward? Our gutless congress is held responsible for these tyrannts in our constitution, however, as per norm, they will not act because they are too  busy trying to get re-elected and padding their pockets from the public purse. What we are seening is exactly what God said will happen when we turn from theocrasy to anarchy.  The next step has already been taken-depotism.  We are now going to experience rule by the American taliban with their form of sharia law(politically correct-determined by the courts and the ACLU). It seems that only a complete house cleaning by impeachment and election can turn us around-but even that may be to late.

Spoken like a *true* Taliban. Mr. Osama and Sheik Omar must be proud of you… Seppo P.

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YM1 (AKA IKnowNothingButWorshipAtTheAltarOfConservatism) Our country is now experiencing the effect of tyranny with the rulings coming down from our courts.  

JERRY You mean like the one where they appointed Bush President?

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Let’s see, what lies does fundie boy tell this time? Our country is now experiencing the effect of tyranny with the rulings coming down from our courts.

Ludicrous. Tyranny is what you desire, not what the courts do currently. Of course it hurts you to not be the winner, but who cares? You would be the first to cry out in protest if legislation as you desire it would really take place: They have indeed justified sodomy(anal copulation between males) as a standard. At the same time they have refused to uphold the public display of God’s 10 commandments.  

Of course, as any human being with a minimum of brain capacity can see, the courts have enforced EQUAL rights for homosexuals. By no means have they "established" it as a standard, or are YOU currently being forced to participate, eh? As for "public display" of the commandments, you conveniently "forget" to mention the crucial detail… that they had been displayed in front of a court house. If I wouldn’t already know that you have been told a zillion times why this is unconstitutional, I would gladly explain it to you. If you WOULD get the laws you crave, it would mean that: First, just as you would have the right to treat homosexuals as subhuman, anyone who, say, does not like you having sex with whoever in this or that position would have the right to declare YOU a subhuman. Aaaah, but we can’t have it, can we – not as long as you are the VICTIM instead of the perpetrator. Same for the commandments. You, fundie boy, live in a country that has freedom of religion written into its constitution. If you get the right to place your commandments in front of public buildings, you also have to accept that for example a jewish monument is placed in front of the next one, a muslim statue at the next one, et cetera et cetera. Now tell us if you want this?! Aah, I thought so. You can be proud, you’re a perfect bigot. You rant about "unconstitutional" rulings of your courts just because and just as long you are at a disadvantage. Reverse the roles and you would fall into mad ecstacy. While we are at it, explain to us all why your oh-so-inerrant dusty book contains Leviticus 11:22-23. Or keep silence and thus show once more that you are just a quoting drone for your "christian" F

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