Christianity QA » Christian Religion » ACLU civil rights orgination or the devil's advocate?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -bwedwr writes: Tell me this in a town of 500 people give or take, 499 are christians and want a nitivity scene up but that one person doesn’t want it up whines the ACLU will jump on them without a thought. Shouldn’t the town beable to put a up a simple netivity scene with 499 people out of 500 without being attacked by the ACLU. It is not making that 1 person a christian it is not punishing the person for being a christian it is most of the population wants it and it is not hurting someone else (unless there a demon or something). Now if the population was say a witch population and they wanted to hang a pentagram or something. Unless they attack my church or take something from my church I havve no problem. Where is seperation of church and state. It seems often to aply ONLY to christians. If it was Muslum they say "that’s a culture not a religon" same with jews. same with aztek gods that people often use to sacrifice to painted on the side of a public building.
yeah, it often seems that way. the point of contention isn’t whether the nativity scene is set up, it’s where and by whose money. government (tax) money can’t be used, nor can the scene be set up on public property. put the scene up on private land using church money (which is untaxed) and everything is fine. regards, mark evins do it again 14 times. good. do it again 14 times. good. do it again 14 times. good……
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Tell me this in a town of 500 people give or take, 499 are christians and want a nitivity scene up but that one person doesn’t want it up whines the ACLU will jump on them without a thought. Shouldn’t the town beable to put a up a simple netivity scene with 499 people out of 500 without being attacked by the ACLU.
No, it is a violation of our civil rights. At which point do you feel too many people are having their civil rights abuse? (10/500? 100/500? 200/500?) And the ACLU isn’t attacking anyone. If you see it that way, you miss the point. Suppose that you lived in a community that had 400 Jews and 50 Christians. And suppose the Jews voted to keep you from building a church in the community. Would that be acceptable to you? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It is not making that 1 person a christian it is not punishing the person for being a christian it is most of the population wants it and it is not hurting someone else (unless there a demon or something). Now if the population was say a witch population and they wanted to hang a pentagram or something. Unless they attack my church or take something from my church I havve no problem. Where is seperation of church and state. It seems often to aply ONLY to christians. If it was Muslum they say "that’s a culture not a religon" same with jews. same with aztek gods that people often use to sacrifice to painted on the side of a public building.
You are wrong! The ACLU has taken up many Christian issues! I am familiar with one case where a private religious school wanted to rent a building from another religious organization. The second organization rented it out, but later wanted to evict them because they SAID they didn’t realize they would be teach Christianity in the building. The ACLU fought for, and won, the right of the church to stay and teach their teachings. As one Supreme Court Justice said (I am paraphrasing…) "The bill of rights is not needed to protect popular ideas, only the unpopular."
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How many christians out there despise the ACLU, they fight for the rights of Nazis to have a raly in a Jewish neiborhood but do everything they can to stop christians from having a Netivity seen for christmas. They fight for the rights of criminals in jail for any offence rape murder tortue or misxtures of the prevous, yet care little for the victems. So whats with the ACLU? The only thing that gives them any allusion of civil rights is the race issue which I think few people can honestly say that fighting for rights of different races and enthinicity is wrong.
Cut and paste troll!
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Tell me this in a town of 500 people give or take, 499 are christians and want a nitivity scene up but that one person doesn’t want it up whines the ACLU will jump on them without a thought. Shouldn’t the town beable to put a up a simple netivity scene with 499 people out of 500 without being attacked by the ACLU.
NO! A "town" no more has the right to subvert the constitution than you do. The ACLU DEFENDS the constitution; it is fanatics who attack it by proposing laws and actions that are illegal. It is not making that 1 person a christian it is not punishing the person for being a christian it is most of the population wants it and it is not hurting someone else (unless there a demon or something).
Laws and freedoms are NOT based on whether they hurt someone else or not. Now if the population was say a witch population and they wanted to hang a pentagram or something.
If they tried to make it a government action, the ACLU would fight against them also. Unless they attack my church or take something from my church I havve no problem. Where is seperation of church and state.
Duh .. don’t you understand that this is what the ACLU is fighting for … no matter what the "christian percentage" happens to be? It seems often to aply ONLY to christians.
Alleged christians seem to be the major force in trying to alter, or defy, the constitution … to "make" this a christian religion nation. Get people like Pat Robertson to quit trying to make "his" religion, "our" religion .. and then the ACLU can get on to something else. If it was Muslim they say "that’s a culture not a religon" same with jews. same with aztek gods that people often use to sacrifice to painted on the side of a public building.
How many Muslims or Jews are trying to force their religious beliefs onto others through government agencies?
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bwedwr writes: How many christians out there despise the ACLU, they fight for the rights of Nazis to have a raly in a Jewish neiborhood but do everything they can to stop christians from having a Netivity seen for christmas. They fight for the rights of criminals in jail for any offence rape murder tortue or misxtures of the prevous, yet care little for the victems. So whats with the ACLU? The only thing that gives them any allusion of civil rights is the race issue which I think few people can honestly say that fighting for rights of different races and enthinicity is wrong.
the aclu is an organisation dedicated to civil rights issues. one of those issues is the public support (tax money) of religious symbology. for an agency of government to spend money on one religion links that government to that religion, and violates the seperation of church and state. that’s the legal argument. for government to outlaw public assembly (for whatever reason) violates the protected right of free assembly. part of the "problem" is that, in order to have freedom of speach, we must be willing to allow speach that we don’t agree with and speach that we find offensive….because not everyone disagrees or takes offense. if we outlaw some speach or rally that we disagree with today, how can we complain if our own views are outlawed tomorrow? regards, mark evins do it again 14 times. good. do it again 14 times. good. do it again 14 times. good……
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Tell me this in a town of 500 people give or take, 499 are christians and want a nitivity scene up but that one person doesn’t want it up whines the ACLU will jump on them without a thought. Shouldn’t the town beable to put a up a simple netivity scene with 499 people out of 500 without being attacked by the ACLU. It is not making that 1 person a christian it is not punishing the person for being a christian it is most of the population wants it and it is not hurting someone else (unless there a demon or something). Now if the population was say a witch population and they wanted to hang a pentagram or something. Unless they attack my church or take something from my church I havve no problem. Where is seperation of church and state. It seems often to aply ONLY to christians. If it was Muslum they say "that’s a culture not a religon" same with jews. same with aztek gods that people often use to sacrifice to painted on the side of a public building. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – bwedwr writes: How many christians out there despise the ACLU, they fight for the rights of Nazis to have a raly in a Jewish neiborhood but do everything they can to stop christians from having a Netivity seen for christmas. They fight for the rights of criminals in jail for any offence rape murder tortue or misxtures of the prevous, yet care little for the victems. So whats with the ACLU? The only thing that gives them any allusion of civil rights is the race issue which I think few people can honestly say that fighting for rights of different races and enthinicity is wrong. the aclu is an organisation dedicated to civil rights issues. one of those issues is the public support (tax money) of religious symbology. for an agency of government to spend money on one religion links that government to that religion, and violates the seperation of church and state. that’s the legal argument. for government to outlaw public assembly (for whatever reason) violates the protected right of free assembly. part of the "problem" is that, in order to have freedom of speach, we must be willing to allow speach that we don’t agree with and speach that we find offensive….because not everyone disagrees or takes offense. if we outlaw some speach or rally that we disagree with today, how can we complain if our own views are outlawed tomorrow? regards, mark evins do it again 14 times. good. do it again 14 times. good. do it again 14 times. good……
no comment untill now