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"God only knows……and He aint talkin’ " God only knows……and He doesn’t exist. Prove it. Can you prove he does?…..Nope.
So? Define proof. What would it take to convince you there is a God and that he loves you???? Can you disprove the existence of invisible pink unicorns?
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God only knows……and He doesn’t exist. How can you be so sure??? If the Xian god existed he would be throwing hissy fits as he does in the OT, strangely enough he’s very absent from world events. Or has he become more subtle with age?
No. It is simply a different age. We are now under Grace. Again yet another Strawman argument - David Glenn Misner – Hemet CA USA http://www.calweb.com/~yodare/david.html Sign up for paypal right here https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=excalibur%40reborn.com
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Can you prove he does?…..Nope. Yes you can. By the existence of His attributes.
Really? So please enlighten us…provide some of this so-called "proof"…thus far, in years of debating I’ve yet to see one person provide even the tiniest shred of solid evidence that a god exists. — *+_Charos_+* "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." – Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Part II, On Those Who Are Sublime Visit: http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=BEC-997 for a great site offering easy and free cash just for surfing the web! (it’s legit)
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"God only knows……and He aint talkin’ "
This is not true. God is continually speaking. You just have to learn the language. God only knows……and He doesn’t exist. Prove it. Can you prove he does?…..Nope.
Yes you can. By the existence of His attributes. Can you disprove the existence of invisible pink unicorns?
The big ones or the little ones?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear DWS, With all due respect, when one begins to differentiate between "true" Christians and false religionists, one becomes part of the problem. There are people, certainly, who call themselves Christians, but whose actions would not indicate to an outside observer that they are anywhere close to that. Exactly my point. Many people are turned off by bad examples of Christian living. Christians have a huge responsibility in this area. Many Christians, myself included, need to look at the very first word John the Baptist and Jesus himself spoke, "repent!" As far as non-believers go, I wish they could look past the poor examples to see the real truth of what Jesus was saying. I’ve heard people say Hitler was a Christian! Does anyone really believe that? However, we cannot see into the hearts of others, and we certainly have no way to know how far along a path they are, or where they started. When we begin pointing fingers, we step off the path ourselves. I know you’ll disagree with me, but that’s what I believe. I agree with you on this. One thing that has really hit home with me after being in these ng’s for awhile is that we’re all are on a journey, and we’re all at different points in our journey. Whenever I see someone with whom I vehemently disagree, I always have to stop and remind myself that, much as I hate to admit it, I might be wrong, and it probably matters less to God than it does to me. Jesus said that if someone even gave a cup of water to one of the saints, he would in no way lose his reward. (I read that to my son, and he immediately went and got me a cup of water.) I do believe that religion often gets in the way of a true experience of God. But it’s a step in the right direction, at least most of the time. It’s not the end of the journey, but it can often be its beginning. By all means, speak the truth as you know it. It goads us to examine and move further. Cordially, Sunny Thanks for your words. Smokey.
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Dear DWS, With all due respect, when one begins to differentiate between "true" Christians and false religionists, one becomes part of the problem. There are people, certainly, who call themselves Christians, but whose actions would not indicate to an outside observer that they are anywhere close to that.
Exactly my point. Many people are turned off by bad examples of Christian living. Christians have a huge responsibility in this area. Many Christians, myself included, need to look at the very first word John the Baptist and Jesus himself spoke, "repent!" As far as non-believers go, I wish they could look past the poor examples to see the real truth of what Jesus was saying. I’ve heard people say Hitler was a Christian! Does anyone really believe that? However, we cannot see into the hearts of others, and we certainly have no way to know how far along a path they are, or where they started. When we begin pointing fingers, we step off the path ourselves. I know you’ll disagree with me, but that’s what I believe.
I agree with you on this. One thing that has really hit home with me after being in these ng’s for awhile is that we’re all are on a journey, and we’re all at different points in our journey. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Whenever I see someone with whom I vehemently disagree, I always have to stop and remind myself that, much as I hate to admit it, I might be wrong, and it probably matters less to God than it does to me. Jesus said that if someone even gave a cup of water to one of the saints, he would in no way lose his reward. (I read that to my son, and he immediately went and got me a cup of water.) I do believe that religion often gets in the way of a true experience of God. But it’s a step in the right direction, at least most of the time. It’s not the end of the journey, but it can often be its beginning. By all means, speak the truth as you know it. It goads us to examine and move further. Cordially, Sunny
Thanks for your words. Smokey.
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-…are Christians themselves. – -The question for scores of Christians is, do you see it and -what are you going to do about it? – -The question for atheists is, can you look past the scores of -imperfect Christians to see the real truth in it? – -Smokey. " Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried." –Gilbert K. Chesterton "The Church confesses that she has witnessed the lawless application of brutal force, the physical and spiritual suffering of countless innocent people, oppression, hatred and murder, and that she has not raised her voice on behalf of the victims and has not found ways to hasten to their aid. She is guilty of the deaths of the weakest and most defenseless brothers of Jesus Christ." – Dietrich Bonhoeffer ( Ethics ) "The contemporary Church "is so often a weak, ineffectual voice with an uncertain sound. It is so often the arch-supporter of the status quo. Far from being disturbed by the presence of the Church, the power structure of the average community is consoled by the Church’s silent and often vocal sanction of things as they are. But the judgment of God is upon the Church as never before. If the Church of today does not recapture the sacrificial spirit of the early Church, it will lose its authentic ring, forfeit the loyalty of millions, and be dismissed as an irrelevant social club with no meaning for the twentieth century." The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I’m Gay http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Heights/1734 – Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches http://www.ufmcc.com Every 3.6 seconds a real person dies from hunger somewhere in the world!!! Feed a hungry person today: http://www.hungersite.com To send e-mail, remove nohate from address
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Hello, DWS. I’m afraid we are misunderstanding one another. The point I’m making is relatively simple. Religions are patterns established after one who has had a real experience of God. They are the structure within which others may come, if they so choose, to also experience God.
Understand this; It appears you, as many others, do not understand why the "new and living way" was established by God through Jesus of Nazareth. Only until the time of John the Baptist, dod God speak to mankind through prophets He raised up and gave His Word to. Since the time of Jesus of Nazareth God speaks to man only through the Son each becomes; the Son of God. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. 19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; 21 And having an high priest over the house of God; 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. The religionists continue to follow the abominations of religion, those established by Moses who blinded the people to Truth, and created his own law which is now the religious law not of God, for the law of God requires each of mankind to enter into a relationship with Him as Father and man the Son of God, in and by this new and living way of Spirit, as Jesus of Nazareth taught and gave example. Whosoever does not have the Creation of God within him; the Son of God; does not have God as Father nor Creator nor Teacher. 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. The religionists refuse this way established by God, the way of asking and receiving from God; of seeking and finding as Jesus of Nazareth taught, and turn to their own blind leaders, honoring these who have set themselves up in the place of God as God; the abomination of the desolate; as their fathers which makes the religionists bastards and not Sons of God, for God is not their father and they are the sons of the devil. The people with Moses perished because they refused to hear God. People in this day and hour perish because they refuse to hear God. They do not hear God because they have not sought God nor come to God in the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth but follow the old ways of religion of which Jesus had much to say in comdemning their ways. Undersatnd the following declarations from Jesus of Nazareth was and is directed toward the religionists, in teaching his disciples. 2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: 4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. 16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; 18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly. 19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. 22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! 24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. 25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? 26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? 27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? 28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. To all of you who are the religionists, the Roman Catholics, the Baptists, the Lutherans, and all of the many other sects of religions of man. 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: 11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. 12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? 13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. 14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. 15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable. 16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? 17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man. 13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The question for scores of Christians is, do you see it and what are you going to do about it? The question for atheists is, can you look past the scores of imperfect Christians to see the real truth in it? Smokey. As a Christian….Catholic one..I see one thing that categorizes both "groups" you speak of. That would be "Imperfection" "God only knows……and He aint talkin’ " God only knows……and He doesn’t exist. How can you be so sure??? If the Xian god existed he would be throwing hissy fits as he does in the OT, strangely enough he’s very absent from world events. Or has he become more subtle with age?
That’s my theory, anyway. Some have called the NT the ultimate proof that having a kid really DOES cause you to melllow out. — Mark -ARK, ASVS, ARCR-C -"Purpose of karate: Make perfect person." – Shihan Fumio Demura Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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Hello son of perdition. How does it feel to know your time is short? Without you and your kind, the world will be a much better place. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We; the Sons of God; are able to discern the very heart and thoughts of another. Vanity! Plain old ugly vanity. But I realize now why you worship like you do. You are pulled by the delusions of grandeur, especially that you are better than those that do not share your view. At the core of this, I’m sure that it’s because you have grown up having low self esteem and very little confidence in yourself. I hope your faith does ease your suffering, but don’t shut your eyes to the possibility that it might be an illusion, an easy way out. Perhaps it’s a lesson presented to you in a bigger journey you may not be aware of. psi In your light I learn how to love. In your beauty, how to make poems. You dance inside my chest, where no one sees you, but sometimes I do, and that sight becomes this art" -Rumi Live fast! Be a spark and glow a while! You’ll be dead a long, long time! - Bob Geldof
Son of God The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
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Hello, DWS. I’m afraid we are misunderstanding one another. The point I’m making is relatively simple. Religions are patterns established after one who has had a real experience of God. They are the structure within which others may come, if they so choose, to also experience God. I do not worship as a Jew, nor comprehend everything they do in their worship. However, in a synagogue, I understand that the same God they are seeking is the same one I am seeking, and I honor their commitment to tenaciously remembering and holding up the origin of their (my) faith. I do not worship as a Catholic, nor do I comprehend everything they do in their worship. However, in a cathedral, I understand that the same God they are seeking is the same one I am seeking, and I honor the fact that, without 2000 years of incorporation into a well organized government system, I would likely have no idea at all of a Bible, or any historical basis for my faith. I do not worship as a Lutheran, nor do I comprehend everything they do in their worship. However, in a Lutheran church, I understand that the same God they are seeking is the same one I am seeking, and I honor the fact that, without Martin Luther, the Bible might well still be printed in Latin, with only priests to give me interpretation, and I might think that the way to heaven was the buying of indulgences. I do not worship as an Anglican, although I do have a little better comprehension of their worship practices. When I am in an Anglican (or Episcopal) church, I understand that the same God they are seeking is the same one I am seeking. I honor King James, and his mother, Elizabeth, and his grandfather, King Henry, because they (for political/human reasons) unified a nation divided by religious strife, incorporating it all under one government. I hold a Bible in my hand today because of the history of these "religions". What I choose to do with it is up to me. And you, DWS, also have access to the word of God because the structure, the "religion", has kept the essential word in the world. I do believe that the way to God does not stop at church. But church is a very good place to start, even more so if you *don’t* agree with their doctrine, and that pushes you to discover the truth for yourself. Kindest regards, Sunny I know you don’t agree with the Jewish faith. However, they * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The question for scores of Christians is, do you see it and what are you going to do about it? The question for atheists is, can you look past the scores of imperfect Christians to see the real truth in it? Smokey. As a Christian….Catholic one..I see one thing that categorizes both "groups" you speak of. That would be "Imperfection" "God only knows……and He aint talkin’ " God only knows……and He doesn’t exist. How can you be so sure???
If the Xian god existed he would be throwing hissy fits as he does in the OT, strangely enough he’s very absent from world events. Or has he become more subtle with age?
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"God only knows……and He aint talkin’ " God only knows……and He doesn’t exist. Prove it.
Can you prove he does?…..Nope. Can you disprove the existence of invisible pink unicorns? — Dobbin Good and evil, and joy and woe, and I and thou – coloured vapours did they seem to me before creative eyes. – Friedrich Nietzsche —
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …are Christians themselves. The question for scores of Christians is, do you see it and what are you going to do about it? The question for atheists is, can you look past the scores of imperfect Christians to see the real truth in it? Smokey. As a Christian….Catholic one..I see one thing that categorizes both "groups" you speak of. That would be "Imperfection" "God only knows……and He aint talkin’ " God only knows……and He doesn’t exist. Prove it.
If god exists he’ll strike you dead right now… There, it’s proven.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The question for scores of Christians is, do you see it and what are you going to do about it? The question for atheists is, can you look past the scores of imperfect Christians to see the real truth in it? Smokey. As a Christian….Catholic one..I see one thing that categorizes both "groups" you speak of. That would be "Imperfection" "God only knows……and He aint talkin’ " God only knows……and He doesn’t exist.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …are Christians themselves. The question for scores of Christians is, do you see it and what are you going to do about it? The question for atheists is, can you look past the scores of imperfect Christians to see the real truth in it? Smokey. As a Christian….Catholic one..I see one thing that categorizes both "groups" you speak of. That would be "Imperfection" "God only knows……and He aint talkin’ " God only knows……and He doesn’t exist.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear DWS, With all due respect, when one begins to differentiate between "true" Christians and false religionists, one becomes part of the problem. There are people, certainly, who call themselves Christians, but whose actions would not indicate to an outside observer that they are anywhere close to that. However, we cannot see into the hearts of others, and we certainly have no way to know how far along a path they are, or where they started. When we begin pointing fingers, we step off the path ourselves. I know you’ll disagree with me, but that’s what I believe. Whenever I see someone with whom I vehemently disagree, I always have to stop and remind myself that, much as I hate to admit it, I might be wrong, and it probably matters less to God than it does to me. Jesus said that if someone even gave a cup of water to one of the saints, he would in no way lose his reward. (I read that to my son, and he immediately went and got me a cup of water.) I do believe that religion often gets in the way of a true experience of God. But it’s a step in the right direction, at least most of the time. It’s not the end of the journey, but it can often be its beginning. By all means, speak the truth as you know it. It goads us to examine and move further. Cordially, Sunny * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
I was beginning to reply as you did to dw, Sunny, and I read your reply. I couldn’t possibly have put it any better than you did! Thank you for your inspiring words. psi In your light I learn how to love. In your beauty, how to make poems. You dance inside my chest, where no one sees you, but sometimes I do, and that sight becomes this art" -Rumi Live fast! Be a spark and glow a while! You’ll be dead a long, long time! - Bob Geldof
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We; the Sons of God; are able to discern the very heart and thoughts of another.
Vanity! Plain old ugly vanity. But I realize now why you worship like you do. You are pulled by the delusions of grandeur, especially that you are better than those that do not share your view. At the core of this, I’m sure that it’s because you have grown up having low self esteem and very little confidence in yourself. I hope your faith does ease your suffering, but don’t shut your eyes to the possibility that it might be an illusion, an easy way out. Perhaps it’s a lesson presented to you in a bigger journey you may not be aware of. psi In your light I learn how to love. In your beauty, how to make poems. You dance inside my chest, where no one sees you, but sometimes I do, and that sight becomes this art" -Rumi Live fast! Be a spark and glow a while! You’ll be dead a long, long time! - Bob Geldof
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"Smokey" wrote …are Christians themselves. The question for scores of Christians is, do you see it and what are you going to do about it?
+ What a strange statement…. + The best proof against cars are buicks. + The best proof against morals is morality itself. + The best proof against humanity is humans themselves… + You’ll have to be a little more specific here, bubba.
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Dear DWS, With all due respect, when one begins to differentiate between "true" Christians and false religionists, one becomes part of the problem.
I see. You say Jesus of Nazareth and the other Sons of God are part of the problem. Explain why you say this. There are people, certainly, who call themselves Christians, but whose actions would not indicate to an outside observer that they are anywhere close to that. However, we cannot see into the hearts of others, and we certainly have no way to know how far along a path they are, or where they started.
We; the Sons of God; are able to discern the very heart and thoughts of another. When we begin pointing fingers, we step off the path ourselves. I know you’ll disagree with me, but that’s what I believe.
Pointing fingers is one matter, speaking truth is another matter entirely. Whenever I see someone with whom I vehemently disagree, I always have to stop and remind myself that, much as I hate to admit it, I might be wrong, and it probably matters less to God than it does to me.
Learn Truth from the Liivng God and remove this fear and doubt. Jesus said that if someone even gave a cup of water to one of the saints, he would in no way lose his reward. (I read that to my son, and he immediately went and got me a cup of water.)
Giving "water" is to give a word and a teaching. I do believe that religion often gets in the way of a true experience of God. But it’s a step in the right direction, at least most of the time. It’s not the end of the journey, but it can often be its beginning.
Not so. By deception man is captured and held in fasle religious doctrines of man, therein, refusing the Truth of God when it is spoken. Why? Becasue they have been taught to honor and worship the god of this world who has blinded them; the religionists, of Moses whose followers remain blind to truth of God becasue of the veil placed on scriptures by Moses. Judaism is the law created by Moses which is not of God. False Christianity has incorporated this same law into their religion. By all means, speak the truth as you know it. It goads us to examine and move further. Cordially, Sunny
Thank you Sunny, I shall and even deeper truths which will be very difficult for any to understand unless they have really studied the wordage of scripture, knowing what metaphors and figures of speech refer to. Unless any study and meditate on the word and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, thereby choosing to enter into the way he taught and therein receiving knowledge and understanding from God, he shall never know the Truth of God for this Truth comes only from the Living God. Understand, unless man possesses this Truth from God he cannot know what is Truth of God and what is not, and is unable to rightfully divide the word or the "waters" of others of mankind. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
Son of God The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
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…are Christians themselves. The question for scores of Christians is, do you see it and what are you going to do about it? The question for atheists is, can you look past the scores of imperfect Christians to see the real truth in it? Smokey.
Smokey, please differentiate between true Christians and the religionists who have placed this name on their selves, being unworthy of this name. Son of God The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
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Dear DWS, With all due respect, when one begins to differentiate between "true" Christians and false religionists, one becomes part of the problem. There are people, certainly, who call themselves Christians, but whose actions would not indicate to an outside observer that they are anywhere close to that. However, we cannot see into the hearts of others, and we certainly have no way to know how far along a path they are, or where they started. When we begin pointing fingers, we step off the path ourselves. I know you’ll disagree with me, but that’s what I believe. Whenever I see someone with whom I vehemently disagree, I always have to stop and remind myself that, much as I hate to admit it, I might be wrong, and it probably matters less to God than it does to me. Jesus said that if someone even gave a cup of water to one of the saints, he would in no way lose his reward. (I read that to my son, and he immediately went and got me a cup of water.) I do believe that religion often gets in the way of a true experience of God. But it’s a step in the right direction, at least most of the time. It’s not the end of the journey, but it can often be its beginning. By all means, speak the truth as you know it. It goads us to examine and move further. Cordially, Sunny * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …are Christians themselves. The question for scores of Christians is, do you see it and what are you going to do about it? The question for atheists is, can you look past the scores of imperfect Christians to see the real truth in it? Smokey. As a Christian….Catholic one..I see one thing that categorizes both "groups" you speak of. That would be "Imperfection" "God only knows……and He aint talkin’ "
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…are Christians themselves. The question for scores of Christians is, do you see it and what are you going to do about it? The question for atheists is, can you look past the scores of imperfect Christians to see the real truth in it? Smokey.
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…are Christians themselves. The question for scores of Christians is, do you see it and what are you going to do about it? The question for atheists is, can you look past the scores of imperfect Christians to see the real truth in it? Smokey.
As a Christian….Catholic one..I see one thing that categorizes both "groups" you speak of. That would be "Imperfection" "God only knows……and He aint talkin’ " David Lee Roth – Skyscraper Before you buy.
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