Uncle Sam Wants You: If You're Smart, You Don't Want Him

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"Aaron R. Kulkis" And yet, every time, we were COMPLETELY unprepared. The *ONLY* war we’ve ever been properly prepared for was against Iraq…. and…the US army of 1990 no longer exists.

Not quite. It took nearly six months to deploy the forces and logistics into theater. We still do not have the requisite sealift or strat airlift. Had the enemy been able and willing to maneuver across the border, the campaign would have been quite different.

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Very true, BUT even the republicans will not be willing to spend the money to get a 600 ship Navy…….just enough to make it look lick they are doing something.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Aaron R. Kulkis" And yet, every time, we were COMPLETELY unprepared. The *ONLY* war we’ve ever been properly prepared for was against Iraq…. and…the US army of 1990 no longer exists. Not quite. It took nearly six months to deploy the forces and logistics into theater. We still do not have the requisite sealift or strat airlift. Had the enemy been able and willing to maneuver across the border, the campaign would have been quite different.

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China says war with the United States is *inevitable*. *That’s* the war the United States needs to ramp up for. TA

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Huh….? What was that?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Margaret lets look at this a little closer: message The nobility and bravery of the soldiers is not at issue. Here is exactly what you said: "Why not admit the hard fact that we are at peace? Just cut the military service. To hell with the professional soldiers and their civilian $1000 toilet-seat providers. Let them earn an honest living." …"To hell with professional soldiers…Let them earn an honest living." You have a pretty low opinion of the "nobility and bravery" of our professional fighting force. I have a VERY very,LOW opinion of any types of selfish people that actually think it’s OK to put other people’s lives in danger ,for thier own agendas that they don’t even disclose fully,soldiers die get misled abused and duped by governments because they have an issue with another country or want control of it,or to steal it’s resources,and these generals,presidents and senates and 99% of all other leaders,are too chickenshit themselves to go over there and fight ,risk thier lives themselves,and kill people and get it.World leaders and all governments ,people in power are the biggest liars,decievers,manipulators bullies and cowards that exist.THE "esteemed" manipulating Leaders, are the ones wanting this shit who orchastrate it for profit and pleasure and drag innocent or misled people into thier control scenarios.It’s not the poor brave noble programmed misled souls fault,who tries in all the wrong ways to exist in relative safety and so easily gets exploited by a leaders greedy wants and a bit of fear tactic macho cheese & media hype who happens to love his freinds and family and have the desire to keep them safe. It is an issue with me when you attack people of "nobility and bravery" and wish them to go to hell, and attack them for the meager living they work hard and may even risk their lives for as being a dishonest way of earning a living. No I want the governmernts the leaders the senators and all the idiots who orhastrate war and exploit people to fight thier own battles by themselves.War is hell and how many citizens WANT war?How many can get whipped up emotionally to agree to war?Especially if glory is implied and leaders point the way to hell?As the idiot public cheers them to doom and never askes these chickenshit leaders WHY are they doing this crap? Your own dishonesty shows through loud and clear between the lines you write. Your loathing of our noble and brave military personnel is the truth we see here. Maybe you should check your own honesty before you question that of others. Our noble brave military pesaonel get systematically psychologically broken apart in boot camp,thier sense of identity is re-arranged to be killing machines for leaders’ whims.I feel for the innocent men and women who are led into being subjected to this mind numbing crap.But I do not pity those who reliquish thier humanity so that others lives are twisted.And I dispise leaders who sanction and use media and belief to ensure a supply of human sacrfice for playing out thier hidden fetishes and greed. At issue is what are they to fight for? Just go over and start shooting people, cause someone you don’t even respect tells you to? If you knew anything about our professional military you would know most of them have asked the same question, "what are we fighting for?" They’re not on some "Club Med" vacation at the various hot spots all around the world where they now serve. True.But ask the guy who holds the key to the box that sets off nuclear warheads that could destroy_the entire planet 57 times_ and ask why do you carry that key and would use iT/60 minutes asked that question,the guy said,Because it’s my orders..that was chilling.Military shrinks definepeople who are detached from thier feelings,can have flexible ethics,who are machine obsessed,and have authoritarian ideas..as ideal candidates for plane driving nulcear bomb droppers.This is Military’s definition of sanity and a devotion to duty.(who are they "devoted to? Do they KNOW? Does Anyone?) In a normal human being with intact emotions,he would be sociopathic,cold,a machine himselfa robot. They go drop these devices of death because they are ordered to do so thier boot camp experince warped thier free will in a S/M scene a few months long.. The Govt.is very aware of psychological conditioning.The make computers that simulate battle so soldiers can kill better,they train out human emotions like empathy like vivisectionists do, by having soldiers kill small animals and cut thier thoats so they can’t scream,such secrecy precvades the military ever ask WHY these agendas need such guarding?. They go because they took an oath to obey the orders of those appointed over them. poor duped soldier,Following orders like a good robot,kill for Unclerhitlersam ’s money scams and fuel the explotation machhine..For God and Money… ummm.country.. They go because they understand that a strong professional military force, a strong national defence is the best deterance we have against war. Yeah if we set of a nuclear bomb when a little leader’s ego got bruised or he couldn’t take all he could grab, we won’t have anymore people or life left here for that matter,,Yep,that would DEFINATELY end War.And you know what,LEADERS in power start wars to Keep power.It has nothing to do with normal people.Except we die for that politic Ego shit.. They go because they are honorable people. All this is beyond your comprehension I’m sure. The soldiers they are honorable,people…,But whomever is ORDERING THEM at the top levels of power far isolated from the suffering of the soldiers, HAS NO Honor whatsoever.They are opputunists,power mongering war hawks watching video games,except it’s not nintendo,it’s real people. Leaders are tyrants and manipulators on powertrips. My question is still unanswered: What war are you saying we need to prepare for? The only thing I’ve heard recently is North Korea. Is that what we need to ramp up for? A weak national defence is an invitation to war. We better be bad ass to anyone,so they don’t threaten our dominance,or the little bullies will get us and take our power away…Rape the women,kill the men and make them gay,and raise the kids to be heathen slaves..Yeah same old hype every world leader does to get the programmed population to cull itself…. As far an Korea is concerned it is a strong national defence shored up by the US military that has been responsible for realitive peace in that country for nearly a half century now. In case you still don’t get it, your question is, "What war are you saying we need to prepare for?" The answer is, any war from any source. Again let me say, a weak national defence is an invitation to war. Hahaha..A weak sense of empathy and humaness is an invitation to war.Get real.You act like an asshole you can expect to be treated as succh The USA leaders and corporations is one BIIIG asshole.OOf course people resist becoming addicted consumer capital and being commodified and wage slaves. I think people should resist it MORE than they do. Both WWI and WWII as well as Korea and Vietnam all had several years of bellicosity before it became "hot" for U.S. I don’t see anything on the horizon now. Do you? An under funded, unprepared, ill equipped military in the US cost us more lives that we needed to lose in all those examples you give. Shall we put on our dunce hats with you, let our military decline and do it again. Maybe you can send out the invitations to our Middle Eastern "friends," our Chinese "friends," We are the ones giving them the cattle prods to stck down Tibetian monks throats and kill them we are providing the torture equipment the chinese kill tibet’s kids with,You see blind one,Tibetians don’t value CONSUMERISM and they aere not addicted to buying shit in excess and being exploited easy.The tenet of Bhuddhism prevents consumerism from adicting them. So we fund thier demise with"free trade agreements". (Al Gore can help you there), and how about inviting our North Korean "friends" too. They would all be pleased as punch to see a US military in an unparpared state. Thier leaders would be pleased I’m sure just as much as Ours would like thier military to be weak.Under the glory claptrap,I see the citizens probably dread a war like EVERYONE else.Because they are human beings. Now, go back to your corner, put that dunce hat back on and read your history book. You obviously havn’t read it before now. History is written by the conquerers.Because of that, it’s really dishonest,propagandic,skewed,and BIASED. There are many sides to ANY war and the sides that suffer quietly are the ones NEVEr heard that need to be heard THE MOST..Not just the ones your esteemed(gag) leaders pump you with on the History Channel.The old Good cop/Bad cop..games I feel so sad that the poor duped brave soldiers that are mislead,used,broken and discarded all over the world .Do not have the guts to question the validity on a humane perspective,from the heart, of any of the intentions,motives, methods,procedures, goals,reasoning,emotional biases,greed,fetishes,or the actions of any kinds of ANY superiors over thier heads MORE OFTEN than

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[snip] You would be better served to support the military and fight government waste and fraud. It appears to me like one of the biggest sources of waste and fraud is in the military. You talk as if there is only one choice, either continue giving the military everything it asks for, or lie down and expose our necks, begging like a sick dog. There are other choices.

Hint fucking hint: ALL government spending is just as waste- and fraud-ridden… The difference is, the military is a necessity; assistance for those who are unwilling to help themselves is NOT. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] I whole heartily agree we need to stop Defense companies from defrauding us, Generals from taking trips in Lear Jets, just as we need to stop the politicians from doing the same thing. Cutting the defense budget will not stop this, it will only harm those at the bottom. I tend to agree with this. Where you and I probably most disagree is the solution. I agree that we need to elect better politicians, and hold them accountable for what they do, but I also think we need to have a public discussion of what the role of the military should be in a peacetime society. I don’t think that will happen if challenges to the party line are met with insults and ad hominem attacks instead of facts and reason. There are many Professional soldiers in our armed forces, don’t get these fine and honorable men and women confused with the Generals who play politician more then solider, those who look out more for their political careers then the lives of the men they are supposed to be leading and protecting. I have several family members in the military, and I know there are honorable people there, and there are people who are there because they can’t make it in the civilian world, and everything in between. You see them at all levels of the service. [snip] Wise spending comes after we elect wise leadership, we can not have one without the other. If we wait until we get a government full of genius saints before we start demanding better performance and clear goals from the military, we’re in for a world of hurt. We need to start now, with what we have. [snip] With the long list of nations and groups out to destroy the US and our way of life means there is never lasting peace. I question whether those nations and groups are planning an assult on Long Beach or Bar Harbor. I’ve heard many people

Given the chance, they will, if only for the death and destruction that will be caused before being thrown back into the sea. discuss the threats to this country, and the most serious threats appear to be social and economic threats. A bloated military, planning to win the last war, is not only not going to protect us, but may actually be a hindrance.

Define "bloated" A tight, focused, well-trained, high-energy response team with good intelligence and high-tech weaponry may make more sense in the modern world. (? – just suggesting it as a starting point.)

– Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer ICQ # 3056642 I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because you are lazy, stupid people" J: Loren Petrich’s 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact, Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole A: The wise man is mocked by fools. B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort. C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction that she doesn’t like. D: Jet claims to have killfiled me. E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup …despite (D) above. F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a response until their behavior improves. G: Unit_4’s "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker’s" harangues against adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn. H: Knackos…you’re a retard.

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what’s with the cross-posting between groups? Jesus christ, just post to the discussion group your discussing in Before you buy.

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[snip] You would be better served to support the military and fight government waste and fraud.

It appears to me like one of the biggest sources of waste and fraud is in the military. You talk as if there is only one choice, either continue giving the military everything it asks for, or lie down and expose our necks, begging like a sick dog. There are other choices. [snip] I whole heartily agree we need to stop Defense companies from defrauding us, Generals from taking trips in Lear Jets, just as we need to stop the politicians from doing the same thing. Cutting the defense budget will not stop this, it will only harm those at the bottom.

I tend to agree with this. Where you and I probably most disagree is the solution. I agree that we need to elect better politicians, and hold them accountable for what they do, but I also think we need to have a public discussion of what the role of the military should be in a peacetime society. I don’t think that will happen if challenges to the party line are met with insults and ad hominem attacks instead of facts and reason. There are many Professional soldiers in our armed forces, don’t get these fine and honorable men and women confused with the Generals who play politician more then solider, those who look out more for their political careers then the lives of the men they are supposed to be leading and protecting.

I have several family members in the military, and I know there are honorable people there, and there are people who are there because they can’t make it in the civilian world, and everything in between. You see them at all levels of the service. [snip] Wise spending comes after we elect wise leadership, we can not have one without the other.

If we wait until we get a government full of genius saints before we start demanding better performance and clear goals from the military, we’re in for a world of hurt. We need to start now, with what we have. [snip] With the long list of nations and groups out to destroy the US and our way of life means there is never lasting peace.

I question whether those nations and groups are planning an assult on Long Beach or Bar Harbor. I’ve heard many people discuss the threats to this country, and the most serious threats appear to be social and economic threats. A bloated military, planning to win the last war, is not only not going to protect us, but may actually be a hindrance. A tight, focused, well-trained, high-energy response team with good intelligence and high-tech weaponry may make more sense in the modern world. (? – just suggesting it as a starting point.)

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The nobility and bravery of the soldiers is not at issue. At issue is what are they to fight for? Just go over and start shooting people, cause someone you don’t even respect tells you to? My question is still unanswered: What war are you saying we need to prepare for? The only thing I’ve heard recently is North Korea. Is that what we need to ramp up for? Both WWI and WWII as well as Korea and Vietnam all had several years of bellicosity before it became "hot" for U.S. I don’t see anything on the horizon now. Do you?

And yet, every time, we were COMPLETELY unprepared. The *ONLY* war we’ve ever been properly prepared for was against Iraq…. and…the US army of 1990 no longer exists. — Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer ICQ # 3056642 I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because you are lazy, stupid people" J: Loren Petrich’s 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact, Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole A: The wise man is mocked by fools. B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort. C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction that she doesn’t like. D: Jet claims to have killfiled me. E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup …despite (D) above. F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a response until their behavior improves. G: Unit_4’s "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker’s" harangues against adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn. H: Knackos…you’re a retard.

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Margaret: Have you heard of China? Russia, Iraq, Iran, etc the list is a long one, many nations we consider our friends today where once our mortal enemies, and might be again in the future. The best time to prepare for war is during Peace time. We may not get a chance to ‘catch up’ as we did in WW2 in the next war. While I agree waste and fraud must be cut from the military budgets, as well as ALL Federal, State and local government budgets. But cutting the military more will only cost lives, as it has done in the past, with out changing the leadership at the top first. The ‘they’ our military is fighting for is you and every other American. We did not ’see’ WW1 coming, or WW2, or Korea, we where drastically ill prepared for all of them and lives where lost because of it. Today’s technology requires us to be more prepared, for modern weapons are much more deadly and easier for our enemies to use against us. If some foreign government sprayed some Chemical Agent or Biological weapon in your home town, would you want the military to be able to respond at a moments notice in time to save your live or a few months or years later after your family and yourself are dead? I agree we do not need to continue ‘Cold War Spending’ levels, but we must stay prepared. If we are prepared for any event we will be less likely to need that defense then if we stick our heads in the sand and ignore what is happening. Have you ever been outside the USA ? Have you been to countries where the locals are more then willing to kill Americans, even unarmed women and children, I have and don’t ever wish to have to place your children or mine into body bags because we wanted to save a couple of dollars. You would be better served to support the military and fight government waste and fraud. That will go a longer way to helping America then gutting our defense. If you had ever been in the military you would know that our military men and women do indeed "Earn a Honest Living". I knew many men who went to their graves defending your right of free speech, give them at least some respect for their wives and children no longer have a husband or father. There is in fact a lot of waste in the military, at the top end only not with the troops at the bottom that face the sharp end of the spear. The military is not a democracy those at the bottom have no say. I whole heartily agree we need to stop Defense companies from defrauding us, Generals from taking trips in Lear Jets, just as we need to stop the politicians from doing the same thing. Cutting the defense budget will not stop this, it will only harm those at the bottom. By voting for better leaders, of ALL parties, and by demanding and requiring them to perform their jobs and removing those that don’t is the way to get a better military and government. As long as those in power get away with this abuse it will never end. It starts with the Top politicians and top military leaders, the only way to reign them in is by the voting. Cutting budgets only results in lost lives at the bottom since if the political and military leadership does not change they will not give up their power and perks and will find money for their lifestyles over the needs of those at the bottom. There are many Professional soldiers in our armed forces, don’t get these fine and honorable men and women confused with the Generals who play politician more then solider, those who look out more for their political careers then the lives of the men they are supposed to be leading and protecting. Leadership rots from the top down not from the bottom up. Budgets cuts hurt the troops. Political change hurts the power elite, it is the people in power that need changing. Wise spending comes after we elect wise leadership, we can not have one without the other. The use of our military for political goals is wrong, as was / is being done in the last 20+ years, the military is here to defend America not project political pipe dreams, political agendas and failed polices of our corrupt political leadership. Our political leadership is spreading our all to few troops out thin in political follies for their our political gain / egos, National defense is secondary to political goals, this is wrong and is caused by our political leadership, not the size of our military budgets. The fact that the troops at the bottom are living below the national poverty level in sub standard housing, many living only with the help of food stamps is a sad statement on the rest of American public. It is sad that the people willing to give their lives to defend the American Public get spit on by that same public and the politicians we elect. With the long list of nations and groups out to destroy the US and our way of life means there is never lasting peace. Look back through our history, the major wars where preceded with long periods of small military budgets and cutbacks, only when we remained strong did the threats fail to surface. Enemies attack their weak foes not there stronger ones. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The nobility and bravery of the soldiers is not at issue. At issue is what are they to fight for? Just go over and start shooting people, cause someone you don’t even respect tells you to? My question is still unanswered: What war are you saying we need to prepare for? The only thing I’ve heard recently is North Korea. Is that what we need to ramp up for? Both WWI and WWII as well as Korea and Vietnam all had several years of bellicosity before it became "hot" for U.S. I don’t see anything on the horizon now. Do you? You poor dunce. Thank God we have patriotic citizens who will risk their life in the service of their country to protect even the likes of you. Yea, we have a period of relative peace right now. You can thank God and the professional military men and women of this country for that. Peace is not cheep, it is IMHO the most costly of human pursuits. You go ahead and whine about $1,000 toilet seats. Its your right, a right brave professional men and women dedicated their lives too and some died for you to have. Enjoy it, and, your welcome. Chuck Bumgarner, MSgt, USAF (Ret) What war is the US supposed to be preparing for? North Korea? Why not admit the hard fact that we are at peace? Just cut the military service. To hell with the professional soldiers and their civilian $1000 toilet-seat providers. Let them earn an honest living.

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LIberal=stupid person Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You poor dunce. Thank God we have patriotic citizens who will risk their life in the service of their country to protect even the likes of you. Yea, we have a period of relative peace right now. You can thank God and the professional military men and women of this country for that. Peace is not cheep, it is IMHO the most costly of human pursuits. You go ahead and whine about $1,000 toilet seats. Its your right, a right brave professional men and women dedicated their lives too and some died for you to have. Enjoy it, and, your welcome. Chuck Bumgarner, MSgt, USAF (Ret) What war is the US supposed to be preparing for? North Korea? Why not admit the hard fact that we are at peace? Just cut the military service. To hell with the professional soldiers and their civilian $1000 toilet-seat providers. Let them earn an honest living.

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Are you aware of the fact that the U.S. Military is still involved in Kosovo/Bosnia, and the Middle East? The U.S. Holidays are upcoming, and Saddam will once again flare up with troop movements and threats to the service men and women in the area, as he has done since the Gulf War. SO to say we are at peace leads me to believe that you are not aware of what the U.S. military is doing. As far as earning an honest living, the military is well underpaid and thanked very little for the job they do, such as protecting the rights of the average citizen that chooses to bitch about the very people that provide them with that right. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The nobility and bravery of the soldiers is not at issue. At issue is what are they to fight for? Just go over and start shooting people, cause someone you don’t even respect tells you to? My question is still unanswered: What war are you saying we need to prepare for? The only thing I’ve heard recently is North Korea. Is that what we need to ramp up for? Both WWI and WWII as well as Korea and Vietnam all had several years of bellicosity before it became "hot" for U.S. I don’t see anything on the horizon now. Do you? You poor dunce. Thank God we have patriotic citizens who will risk their life in the service of their country to protect even the likes of you. Yea, we have a period of relative peace right now. You can thank God and the professional military men and women of this country for that. Peace is not cheep, it is IMHO the most costly of human pursuits. You go ahead and whine about $1,000 toilet seats. Its your right, a right brave professional men and women dedicated their lives too and some died for you to have. Enjoy it, and, your welcome. Chuck Bumgarner, MSgt, USAF (Ret) What war is the US supposed to be preparing for? North Korea? Why not admit the hard fact that we are at peace? Just cut the military service. To hell with the professional soldiers and their civilian $1000 toilet-seat providers. Let them earn an honest living.

– How can a person that cannot govern themselves, govern others? -Ronald Reagan-

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You poor dunce. Thank God we have patriotic citizens who will risk their life in the service of their country to protect even the likes of you. Yea, we have a period of relative peace right now. You can thank God and the professional military men and women of this country for that. Peace is not cheep, it is IMHO the most costly of human pursuits. You go ahead and whine about $1,000 toilet seats. Its your right, a right brave professional men and women dedicated their lives too and some died for you to have. Enjoy it, and, your welcome. Chuck Bumgarner, MSgt, USAF (Ret)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [...] An observation: The armed services are today in the worst shape I’ve seen, and I remember the days of the post-Viet Nam slump. You don’t want your kid in this military. You don’t understand how bad it is. [...] What war is the US supposed to be preparing for? North Korea? Why not admit the hard fact that we are at peace? Just cut the military service. To hell with the professional soldiers and their civilian $1000 toilet-seat providers. Let them earn an honest living.

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Your position on this matter may carry a little more weight had you identified yourself. However, I would like to disagree with your observation about, "the armed forces suck." Armed forces personnel are still some of the best citizens in our country. They work hard, they train hard, and they deserve respect for what they do. Now their Commander-in-Chief is another issue. Now there is a prime example of "sucks" as you put it. BIG TIME SUCKS! Sucks, but doesn’t inhale Chuck Bumgarner

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ever since they let gays into the military, the armed forces suck. Clinton and his people all use these new age jargon, Hillary channels spirit guides to talk to Ethel Rosenberg, they are devotees of the New Age movement, which is really controlled by very real demonic spirits at the top, or apex of the pyramid. to do anything short of demonizing these people is to not fully expose them, because that’s what they are, and Clinton’s, Gore’s, and virtually the entire democratic party’s desire to legitimize cocksucking is glaring proof of what i am saying. This is why God commanded so much killing in the old testament, because of liberals. Before you buy.

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Ever since they let gays into the military, the armed forces suck.

the armed forces. The only difference now is that some aren’t hiding anymore. What "sucks" is the fact that so many are so insecure about their own sexuality that they feel threatened by that fact. Clinton and his people all use these new age jargon, Hillary channels spirit guides to talk to Ethel Rosenberg, they are devotees of the New Age movement, which is really controlled by very real demonic spirits at the top, or apex of the pyramid. This is why God commanded so much killing in the old testament, because of liberals.

——-Your version of "liberal" wasn’t around in those days. There was so much killing in the Old Testament because the Christian god ruled by fear and violence. And hypocrisy, given the commandment "Thou shalt not kill."

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You poor dunce. Thank God we have patriotic citizens who will risk their life in the service of their country to protect even the likes of you.

Like the 58,000 who threw their lives away for nothing in the "defense" of a turd-world shithole in Southeast Asia. Yea, we have a period of relative peace right now. You can thank God and the professional military men and women of this country for that.

And the fact that now they’re not given the "choice" of enlisting or be drafted. Peace is not cheep, it is IMHO the most costly of human pursuits. You go ahead and whine about $1,000 toilet seats. Its your right, a right brave professional men and women dedicated their lives too and some died for you to have. Enjoy it, and, your welcome.

Nice little ditty, sarge. Now why don’t you repeat that shit to the family of a serviceman (or woman) who dies in Trashcanistan because now the U.N. regards us as their little 911 police force, for rebel guerillas to use for target practice indefinitely. Chuck Bumgarner, MSgt, USAF (Ret)

BTW, your name rings a bell. If you were assigned to the 3rd Combat Communications Group (The 3rd MOB) at Tinker AFB, Ok. in 1975-1976, then we’ve definitely met. Just keep in mind that in the years since, my glasses have not become rose-colored…….

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You poor dunce. Thank God we have patriotic citizens who will risk their life in the service of their country to protect even the likes of you. Like the 58,000 who threw their lives away for nothing in the "defense" of a turd-world shithole in Southeast Asia.

Exactly Byker. Those 58,000 would be part of the much larger group that I mentioned. Was the cause in Vietnam worth 58,000 US live? No. Was it worth 1 US life? Not in my opinion. Did we learn any lessons about committing troops to open ended missions for poorly defined and misguided causes? Apparently not. Look at the debacles our present Scumbag-in-Chief has gotten us into. Your suggestion that these brave men and women threw their lives away is a dishonor to them and their families. To lay down your life in the service of your country is the ultimate sacrifice to your fellow man. Even if it was for a political and unjust cause. Had the politicians let the Generals fight as they wanted we would have been out of Vietnam a lot sooner and and with much fewer casualties. Yea, we have a period of relative peace right now. You can thank God and the professional military men and women of this country for that. And the fact that now they’re not given the "choice" of enlisting or be drafted.

I don’t think I get your point here. But let me try. I know the draft caused some to become unwilling participants and I’m glad we now have an all-volunteer force. And, if we owe a debt of gratitide to the volunteers then all the more so to those who answered the call and went even if unwilling. Peace is not cheep, it is IMHO the most costly of human pursuits. You go ahead and whine about $1,000 toilet seats. Its your right, a right brave professional men and women dedicated their lives too and some died for you to have. Enjoy it, and, your welcome. Nice little ditty, sarge. Now why don’t you repeat that shit to the family of a serviceman (or woman) who dies in Trashcanistan because now the U.N. regards us as their little 911 police force, for rebel guerillas to use for target practice indefinitely.

Thank you for your appreciation of my "little ditty." It is posted here for the whole world to see. I hope all the families of fallen wariors see it, and see it for what it is–a tribute to them and the reunuciation of the hatred and loathing for the professional military personnel spewed by the original post here. And, I have made my position on the UN clear on several of my postings here. I’ll repaeat it for you. It turns my stomach every time I see a US military person wearing a blue beanie serving under some the command of some third-world, third-rate, socialist dictator. TO HELL WITH THE UN! I think we’re in agreement here, I think? Chuck Bumgarner, MSgt, USAF (Ret) BTW, your name rings a bell. If you were assigned to the 3rd Combat Communications Group (The 3rd MOB) at Tinker AFB, Ok. in 1975-1976, then we’ve definitely met. Just keep in mind that in the years since, my glasses have not become rose-colored…….

No Byker, we haven’t met I don’t think. Not at least at Tinker. I was in a REDHORSE unit in the Philippines during the time frame you reference. I’m glad your glasses aren’t rose colored. Mine aren’t either. Take care Byker, Chuck Bumgarner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Margaret lets look at this a little closer: The nobility and bravery of the soldiers is not at issue. Here is exactly what you said: "Why not admit the hard fact that we are at peace? Just cut the military service. To hell with the professional soldiers and their civilian $1000 toilet-seat providers. Let them earn an honest living." …"To hell with professional soldiers…Let them earn an honest living." You have a pretty low opinion of the "nobility and bravery" of our professional fighting force.

I have a VERY very,LOW opinion of any types of selfish people that actually think it’s OK to put other people’s lives in danger ,for thier own agendas that they don’t even disclose fully,soldiers die get misled abused and duped by governments because they have an issue with another country or want control of it,or to steal it’s resources,and these generals,presidents and senates and 99% of all other leaders,are too chickenshit themselves to go over there and fight ,risk thier lives themselves,and kill people and get it.World leaders and all governments ,people in power are the biggest liars,decievers,manipulators bullies and cowards that exist.THE "esteemed" manipulating Leaders, are the ones wanting this shit who orchastrate it for profit and pleasure and drag innocent or misled people into thier control scenarios.It’s not the poor brave noble programmed misled souls fault,who tries in all the wrong ways to exist in relative safety and so easily gets exploited by a leaders greedy wants and a bit of fear tactic macho cheese & media hype who happens to love his freinds and family and have the desire to keep them safe. It is an issue with me when you attack people of "nobility and bravery" and wish them to go to hell, and attack them for the meager living they work hard and may even risk their lives for as being a dishonest way of earning a living.

No I want the governmernts the leaders the senators and all the idiots who orhastrate war and exploit people to fight thier own battles by themselves.War is hell and how many citizens WANT war?How many can get whipped up emotionally to agree to war?Especially if glory is implied and leaders point the way to hell?As the idiot public cheers them to doom and never askes these chickenshit leaders WHY are they doing this crap? Your own dishonesty shows through loud and clear between the lines you write. Your loathing of our noble and brave military personnel is the truth we see here. Maybe you should check your own honesty before you question that of others.

Our noble brave military pesaonel get systematically psychologically broken apart in boot camp,thier sense of identity is re-arranged to be killing machines for leaders’ whims.I feel for the innocent men and women who are led into being subjected to this mind numbing crap.But I do not pity those who reliquish thier humanity so that others lives are twisted.And I dispise leaders who sanction and use media and belief to ensure a supply of human sacrfice for playing out thier hidden fetishes and greed. At issue is what are they to fight for? Just go over and start shooting people, cause someone you don’t even respect tells you to? If you knew anything about our professional military you would know most of them have asked the same question, "what are we fighting for?" They’re not on some "Club Med" vacation at the various hot spots all around the world where they now serve.

True.But ask the guy who holds the key to the box that sets off nuclear warheads that could destroy_the entire planet 57 times_ and ask why do you carry that key and would use iT/60 minutes asked that question,the guy said,Because it’s my orders..that was chilling.Military shrinks definepeople who are detached from thier feelings,can have flexible ethics,who are machine obsessed,and have authoritarian ideas..as ideal candidates for plane driving nulcear bomb droppers.This is Military’s definition of sanity and a devotion to duty.(who are they "devoted to? Do they KNOW? Does Anyone?) In a normal human being with intact emotions,he would be sociopathic,cold,a machine himselfa robot. They go drop these devices of death because they are ordered to do so thier boot camp experince warped thier free will in a S/M scene a few months long.. The Govt.is very aware of psychological conditioning.The make computers that simulate battle so soldiers can kill better,they train out human emotions like empathy like vivisectionists do, by having soldiers kill small animals and cut thier thoats so they can’t scream,such secrecy precvades the military ever ask WHY these agendas need such guarding?. They go because they took an oath to obey the orders of those appointed over them.

poor duped soldier,Following orders like a good robot,kill for Unclerhitlersam ’s money scams and fuel the explotation machhine..For God and Money… ummm.country.. They go because they understand that a strong professional military force, a strong national defence is the best deterance we have against war.

Yeah if we set of a nuclear bomb when a little leader’s ego got bruised or he couldn’t take all he could grab, we won’t have anymore people or life left here for that matter,,Yep,that would DEFINATELY end War.And you know what,LEADERS in power start wars to Keep power.It has nothing to do with normal people.Except we die for that politic Ego shit.. They go because they are honorable people. All this is beyond your comprehension I’m sure.

The soldiers they are honorable,people…,But whomever is ORDERING THEM at the top levels of power far isolated from the suffering of the soldiers, HAS NO Honor whatsoever.They are opputunists,power mongering war hawks watching video games,except it’s not nintendo,it’s real people. Leaders are tyrants and manipulators on powertrips. My question is still unanswered: What war are you saying we need to prepare for? The only thing I’ve heard recently is North Korea. Is that what we need to ramp up for? A weak national defence is an invitation to war.

We better be bad ass to anyone,so they don’t threaten our dominance,or the little bullies will get us and take our power away…Rape the women,kill the men and make them gay,and raise the kids to be heathen slaves..Yeah same old hype every world leader does to get the programmed population to cull itself…. As far an Korea is concerned it is a strong national defence shored up by the US military that has been responsible for realitive peace in that country for nearly a half century now. In case you still don’t get it, your question is, "What war are you saying we need to prepare for?" The answer is, any war from any source. Again let me say, a weak national defence is an invitation to war.

Hahaha..A weak sense of empathy and humaness is an invitation to war.Get real.You act like an asshole you can expect to be treated as succh The USA leaders and corporations is one BIIIG asshole.OOf course people resist becoming addicted consumer capital and being commodified and wage slaves. I think people should resist it MORE than they do. Both WWI and WWII as well as Korea and Vietnam all had several years of bellicosity before it became "hot" for U.S. I don’t see anything on the horizon now. Do you? An under funded, unprepared, ill equipped military in the US cost us more lives that we needed to lose in all those examples you give. Shall we put on our dunce hats with you, let our military decline and do it again. Maybe you can send out the invitations to our Middle Eastern "friends," our Chinese "friends,"

We are the ones giving them the cattle prods to stck down Tibetian monks throats and kill them we are providing the torture equipment the chinese kill tibet’s kids with,You see blind one,Tibetians don’t value CONSUMERISM and they aere not addicted to buying shit in excess and being exploited easy.The tenet of Bhuddhism prevents consumerism from adicting them. So we fund thier demise with"free trade agreements". (Al Gore can help you there), and how about inviting our North Korean "friends" too. They would all be pleased as punch to see a US military in an unparpared state.

Thier leaders would be pleased I’m sure just as much as Ours would like thier military to be weak.Under the glory claptrap,I see the citizens probably dread a war like EVERYONE else.Because they are human beings. Now, go back to your corner, put that dunce hat back on and read your history book. You obviously havn’t read it before now.

History is written by the conquerers.Because of that, it’s really dishonest,propagandic,skewed,and BIASED. There are many sides to ANY war and the sides that suffer quietly are the ones NEVEr heard that need to be heard THE MOST..Not just the ones your esteemed(gag) leaders pump you with on the History Channel.The old Good cop/Bad cop..games I feel so sad that the poor duped brave soldiers that are mislead,used,broken and discarded all over the world .Do not have the guts to question the validity on a humane perspective,from the heart, of any of the intentions,motives, methods,procedures, goals,reasoning,emotional biases,greed,fetishes,or the actions of any kinds of ANY superiors over thier heads MORE OFTEN than they do.If there was more questions asked all over there would be less time for war making and more time to heal all people from the induced scars from generational,ages old controlling cultural paradigms our so called leaders make up,sell us and have us believe in. Underground Panther in the Sky. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chuck Bumgarner. MSgt, USAF (Ret)

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At issue is what are they to fight for? Just go over and start shooting people, cause someone you don’t even respect tells you to?

If me and mine decided it wasn’t worth it, you and yours wouldn’t be able to voice your opinion today. My question is still unanswered: What war are you saying we need to prepare for? The only thing I’ve heard recently is North Korea. Is that what we need to ramp up for?

North Korea is one. Iraq is another – he definitely isn’t finished right now. Both WWI and WWII as well as Korea and Vietnam all had several years of bellicosity before it became "hot" for U.S. I don’t see anything on the horizon now. Do you?

Each of those wars did have a build-up. Each time the American people said let’s wait and see, we don’t need to build up the military. Each time we were caught with our pants down and countless lives were needlessly lost. Military spending is at it’s lowest level in years and social spending is at it’s highest. Why do you want to cut it further? Could it be you would like your check from the government increased? Pick

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Several years in the "old economy" = ? years in the new?

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Margaret lets look at this a little closer:

The nobility and bravery of the soldiers is not at issue.

Here is exactly what you said: "Why not admit the hard fact that we are at peace? Just cut the military service. To hell with the professional soldiers and their civilian $1000 toilet-seat providers. Let them earn an honest living." …"To hell with professional soldiers…Let them earn an honest living." You have a pretty low opinion of the "nobility and bravery" of our professional fighting force. It is an issue with me when you attack people of "nobility and bravery" and wish them to go to hell, and attack them for the meager living they work hard and may even risk their lives for as being a dishonest way of earning a living. Your own dishonesty shows through loud and clear between the lines you write. Your loathing of our noble and brave military personnel is the truth we see here. Maybe you should check your own honesty before you question that of others. At issue is what are they to fight for? Just go over and start shooting people, cause someone you don’t even respect tells you to?

If you knew anything about our professional military you would know most of them have asked the same question, "what are we fighting for?" They’re not on some "Club Med" vacation at the various hot spots all around the world where they now serve. They go because they are ordered to do so. They go because they took an oath to obey the orders of those appointed over them. They go because they understand that a strong professional military force, a strong national defence is the best deterance we have against war. They go because they are honorable people. All this is beyond your comprehension I’m sure. My question is still unanswered: What war are you saying we need to prepare for? The only thing I’ve heard recently is North Korea. Is that what we need to ramp up for?

A weak national defence is an invitation to war. As far an Korea is concerned it is a strong national defence shored up by the US military that has been responsible for realitive peace in that country for nearly a half century now. In case you still don’t get it, your question is, "What war are you saying we need to prepare for?" The answer is, any war from any source. Again let me say, a weak national defence is an invitation to war. Both WWI and WWII as well as Korea and Vietnam all had several years of bellicosity before it became "hot" for U.S. I don’t see anything on the horizon now. Do you?

An under funded, unprepared, ill equipped military in the US cost us more lives that we needed to lose in all those examples you give. Shall we put on our dunce hats with you, let our military decline and do it again. Maybe you can send out the invitations to our Middle Eastern "friends," our Chinese "friends," (Al Gore can help you there), and how about inviting our North Korean "friends" too. They would all be pleased as punch to see a US military in an unparpared state. Now, go back to your corner, put that dunce hat back on and read your history book. You obviously havn’t read it before now. Chuck Bumgarner. MSgt, USAF (Ret) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You poor dunce. Thank God we have patriotic citizens who will risk their life in the service of their country to protect even the likes of you. Yea, we have a period of relative peace right now. You can thank God and the professional military men and women of this country for that. Peace is not cheep, it is IMHO the most costly of human pursuits. You go ahead and whine about $1,000 toilet seats. Its your right, a right brave professional men and women dedicated their lives too and some died for you to have. Enjoy it, and, your welcome. Chuck Bumgarner, MSgt, USAF (Ret) What war is the US supposed to be preparing for? North Korea? Why not admit the hard fact that we are at peace? Just cut the military service. To hell with the professional soldiers and their civilian $1000 toilet-seat providers. Let them earn an honest living.

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[...] An observation: The armed services are today in the worst shape I’ve seen, and I remember the days of the post-Viet Nam slump. You don’t want your kid in this military. You don’t understand how bad it is.

[...] What war is the US supposed to be preparing for? North Korea? Why not admit the hard fact that we are at peace? Just cut the military service. To hell with the professional soldiers and their civilian $1000 toilet-seat providers. Let them earn an honest living.

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Ever since they let gays into the military, the armed forces suck. Clinton and his people all use these new age jargon, Hillary channels spirit guides to talk to Ethel Rosenberg, they are devotees of the New Age movement, which is really controlled by very real demonic spirits at the top, or apex of the pyramid. to do anything short of demonizing these people is to not fully expose them, because that’s what they are, and Clinton’s, Gore’s, and virtually the entire democratic party’s desire to legitimize cocksucking is glaring proof of what i am saying. This is why God commanded so much killing in the old testament, because of liberals. Before you buy.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Uncle Sam Wants You If You’re Smart, You Don’t Want Him If you are the parent of a young man who is thinking about joining the armed forces, permit me to offer advice: Tell him not to. Be emphatic about it. I’ve spent much of my life around the military–grew up on a military base, drove AMTRACS for the Marines in Viet Nam, and spent decades covering the military as a reporter. I didn’t do the Pentagon. Usually I didn’t know who the Joint Chiefs of Staff were. I spent my working hours with the troops, in the tanks and fighters, aboard the carriers, in the jungles and swamps and war zones. It made me hard to bullshit. An observation: The armed services are today in the worst shape I’ve seen, and I remember the days of the post-Viet Nam slump. You don’t want your kid in this military. You don’t understand how bad it is. This country characteristically goes into wars unprepared, and kills off large numbers of young men while trying to make up lost time. We then tell ourselves stories about the heroism of the needlessly dead, and about the evil Nips and dastardly Viet Cong. We did this in WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam. We’re getting ready to do it again. The military has decayed since the Gulf War, decayed badly. The public just doesn’t know it. If a substantial war comes, soldiers will, again, die for no reason. Your son could be one of them. He needs to know this. He also needs to understand that neither the political nor the military leadership much cares whether he lives or dies. Their careers come first. You doubtless think this sounds extreme, embittered, paranoid. And yes, any general officer will tell you that, why, he lives for the troops, cares for nothing else. He’s a soldier’s general. Yeah. In Vietnam, it was for some time military policy that enlisted men in the infantry spent 13 months in the field. Their officers spent six. If you don’t believe this, check it out. The officers were getting their tickets punched: Combat command looked good on a promotion record. The Career. On the other hand, if you stayed out there too long, you might get shot. The fleshpots of Saigon were succulent. The consequence of course was that field troops always had green, inexperienced officers. There were too many ticket-punchers. Officers who won’t take the same risks their troops take are. . .I think the word is "cowards." Guess what generation of officers is now reaching the top at the Pentagon. You don’t want this crew commanding your kid. Further, note that the United States regularly, with the occasional exception, puts politics ahead of the lives of its troops. Remember the 241 Marines killed in Beirut when their barracks was blown up by the terrorist truck? I was there on a story a couple of weeks before it happened. Know who killed those guys? The United States. It went like this. Coming down the road from the airport in Beirut, to get to the Marines you turned right on a small road that had a guard post with two Marine guards. Their rifles were at sling arms, no round in the chamber. Loaded rifles might cause an incident, and, hey, you can always get more Marines. Simply driving past the guards would have been–as it turned out, was–effortless. A few feet later you turned right through one of those flimsy stick things that go up and down to stop traffic at toll booths. I probably could have broken through it without a truck. A few feet later you were in the middle of the Marine position. Which is what the driver of the suicide truck did. Easy. The Marines were undefended, naked, in a city known to be full of terrorists. Why? Because the State Department didn’t want to look too military. We sacrificed our own men to keep up appearances for a pack of cookie-pushers in Washington. They’ll do it again. The foregoing is the norm. (We did the same thing in Mogadishu, for example.) Today politicization of the military is worse by far than it has ever been. The emphasis is overwhelmingly on social engineering: sensitivity training, toleration of homosexuals, feminization, promotion of minorities. Affirmative action runs rampant. Standards have been lowered drastically for women, many of them unmarried minorities using the military as an improved form of welfare. Discipline has suffered. Commanders can’t discipline the protected groups, which makes it hard to discipline anyone. If you think I’m kidding, talk to someone you know who is in. Unsurprisingly, morale is way down. Equipment ages. The services are hemorrhaging young officers in the O-3 range (Army captain). Key enlisted men bail out. Second-raters move up the ranks. No, not all of them are, but too many. In war, there will be a price for this. Your boy, or someone else’s. Getting the body bag isn’t fun. For eight years we have had an administration that is actually hostile to the military. This is new. Before, presidents have alternated between neglect and build-up, but haven’t had the visceral loathing for the armed services that Clinton has professed. To me, the damage looks deliberate. Nothing like the current wholesale gutting of the services by angry feminists has happened before. We have never had a government that would have allowed it. The generals know all of this. They’re self-serving, but they aren’t fools. They are knowingly, willingly, allowing the institutions they oversee to deteriorate, while relentlessly lying to stay in their jobs. (The Marines remain stubbornly resistant, but they too are being slowly Clintoned down.) The brass know their troops regard them with contempt. They know why soldiers bail out. They don’t care. Commanders like this–I don’t think they can be called men–will preside over a slaughter if war comes. You don’t want your kid there. Especially if he is smart and gung-ho. If he just wants to get saleable training, and get out, the services are probably a good idea. Electronics is always a good choice. The military is a good place for a woman who wants to have her baby and isn’t sure which division is the father. But for a young man who wants to be part of something he can be proud of, a hard-charger who sets high standards for himself, it’s a bad idea. He’ll hate it. It will hate him. Should we ever need the military, it just might kill him. Don’t let him do it. Note: For the skeptical, The Kinder, Gentler Military, by Stephanie Gutmann, superbly details the disaster. Nobody should enlist without reading it. Amazon has it. http://www.fredoneverything.net/DontEnlist.html

You’re right about the big wigs not giving a damn. I saw a good example a couple of months ago. Henry Kissinger and two other 60’s – 70’s guys were being interviewed by Charlie Rose. Kissinger just smiled with no remorse whatsoever when his role in the Vietnam debacle came up. For my own lack of worldliness, from his expressions and words I’d say he had one hell of a great time using American flesh and blood like pieces on a chess board. Does anyone think that the lottery draft system during Vietnam was fair? You got to be kidding. Remember all those deferments? Who got those deferments? You can bet your ass that most of the ones were the sons of those who could afford university or college tuition, and / or had some family background in higher education. Your Joe Average and Joe Poor were the ones who got stuck raising their right hand and swearing into the Armed Forces (essentially with a gun pointed to their heads.) This was rigged. You want a fair draft: DRAFT EVERYBODY WITH NO DEFERMENTS. Make it hurt. Only then will the People be motivated to make sure that a war is worth it. Demand of EVERY American to do his patriotic duty. But oh, NOOOOOO. Not for Vietnam. They knew better. They had this divide and conquer draft where the upper classes and the police, FBI, National Guards, etc. compelled and made the lower classes to go get their asses shot half way around the world. Would never have happened if everyone was drafted with no deferments. No way it could have happened. Good book: "Johnny Got His Gun."

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Uncle Sam Wants You If You’re Smart, You Don’t Want Him If you are the parent of a young man who is thinking about joining the armed forces, permit me to offer advice: Tell him not to. Be emphatic about it. I’ve spent much of my life around the military–grew up on a military base, drove AMTRACS for the Marines in Viet Nam, and spent decades covering the military as a reporter. I didn’t do the Pentagon. Usually I didn’t know who the Joint Chiefs of Staff were. I spent my working hours with the troops, in the tanks and fighters, aboard the carriers, in the jungles and swamps and war zones. It made me hard to bullshit. An observation: The armed services are today in the worst shape I’ve seen, and I remember the days of the post-Viet Nam slump. You don’t want your kid in this military. You don’t understand how bad it is. This country characteristically goes into wars unprepared, and kills off large numbers of young men while trying to make up lost time. We then tell ourselves stories about the heroism of the needlessly dead, and about the evil Nips and dastardly Viet Cong. We did this in WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam. We’re getting ready to do it again. The military has decayed since the Gulf War, decayed badly. The public just doesn’t know it. If a substantial war comes, soldiers will, again, die for no reason. Your son could be one of them. He needs to know this. He also needs to understand that neither the political nor the military leadership much cares whether he lives or dies. Their careers come first. You doubtless think this sounds extreme, embittered, paranoid. And yes, any general officer will tell you that, why, he lives for the troops, cares for nothing else. He’s a soldier’s general. Yeah. In Vietnam, it was for some time military policy that enlisted men in the infantry spent 13 months in the field. Their officers spent six. If you don’t believe this, check it out. The officers were getting their tickets punched: Combat command looked good on a promotion record. The Career. On the other hand, if you stayed out there too long, you might get shot. The fleshpots of Saigon were succulent. The consequence of course was that field troops always had green, inexperienced officers. There were too many ticket-punchers. Officers who won’t take the same risks their troops take are. . .I think the word is "cowards." Guess what generation of officers is now reaching the top at the Pentagon. You don’t want this crew commanding your kid. Further, note that the United States regularly, with the occasional exception, puts politics ahead of the lives of its troops. Remember the 241 Marines killed in Beirut when their barracks was blown up by the terrorist truck? I was there on a story a couple of weeks before it happened. Know who killed those guys? The United States. It went like this. Coming down the road from the airport in Beirut, to get to the Marines you turned right on a small road that had a guard post with two Marine guards. Their rifles were at sling arms, no round in the chamber. Loaded rifles might cause an incident, and, hey, you can always get more Marines. Simply driving past the guards would have been–as it turned out, was–effortless. A few feet later you turned right through one of those flimsy stick things that go up and down to stop traffic at toll booths. I probably could have broken through it without a truck. A few feet later you were in the middle of the Marine position. Which is what the driver of the suicide truck did. Easy. The Marines were undefended, naked, in a city known to be full of terrorists. Why? Because the State Department didn’t want to look too military. We sacrificed our own men to keep up appearances for a pack of cookie-pushers in Washington. They’ll do it again. The foregoing is the norm. (We did the same thing in Mogadishu, for example.) Today politicization of the military is worse by far than it has ever been. The emphasis is overwhelmingly on social engineering: sensitivity training, toleration of homosexuals, feminization, promotion of minorities. Affirmative action runs rampant. Standards have been lowered drastically for women, many of them unmarried minorities using the military as an improved form of welfare. Discipline has suffered. Commanders can’t discipline the protected groups, which makes it hard to discipline anyone. If you think I’m kidding, talk to someone you know who is in. Unsurprisingly, morale is way down. Equipment ages. The services are hemorrhaging young officers in the O-3 range (Army captain). Key enlisted men bail out. Second-raters move up the ranks. No, not all of them are, but too many. In war, there will be a price for this. Your boy, or someone else’s. Getting the body bag isn’t fun. For eight years we have had an administration that is actually hostile to the military. This is new. Before, presidents have alternated between neglect and build-up, but haven’t had the visceral loathing for the armed services that Clinton has professed. To me, the damage looks deliberate. Nothing like the current wholesale gutting of the services by angry feminists has happened before. We have never had a government that would have allowed it. The generals know all of this. They’re self-serving, but they aren’t fools. They are knowingly, willingly, allowing the institutions they oversee to deteriorate, while relentlessly lying to stay in their jobs. (The Marines remain stubbornly resistant, but they too are being slowly Clintoned down.) The brass know their troops regard them with contempt. They know why soldiers bail out. They don’t care. Commanders like this–I don’t think they can be called men–will preside over a slaughter if war comes. You don’t want your kid there. Especially if he is smart and gung-ho. If he just wants to get saleable training, and get out, the services are probably a good idea. Electronics is always a good choice. The military is a good place for a woman who wants to have her baby and isn’t sure which division is the father. But for a young man who wants to be part of something he can be proud of, a hard-charger who sets high standards for himself, it’s a bad idea. He’ll hate it. It will hate him. Should we ever need the military, it just might kill him. Don’t let him do it. Note: For the skeptical, The Kinder, Gentler Military, by Stephanie Gutmann, superbly details the disaster. Nobody should enlist without reading it. Amazon has it. http://www.fredoneverything.net/DontEnlist.html

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