Christianity QA

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           Prayer isn’t offensive…just futile.

Depends how you look at it. Getting several million people to think about what you want them to think about in the way you want them to think, plus "giving wings to their prayers" (i.e. letter writing, emailing & calling their elected reps) isn’t always futile. — "Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You." – Attrib: Pauline Reage. Inexpensive VHS & other video to CD/DVD conversion? See: <http://www.Video2CD.com. 35.00 gets your video on DVD. all posts to this email address are automatically deleted without being read. ** atheist poster child #1 ** #442.

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Yea, freedom of speech really sucks when the speech is against your beliefs.

Not to speak for the poster, I suspect the complaint is about asking G-d to intervien with the Supreme Court at all.  As far as it goes the Judiac G-d certainly had a history of striking down any that upset him enough.  Dome how the Christian God even being asks strikes me as unChristian "render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser’s" (or words to that effect. — Want a new group FAQs http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/ncreate.html

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Yea, freedom of speech really sucks when the speech is against your beliefs.

Well, no, but it does kind of suck when the speech consists of praying for people to die.  Of course, that doesn’t change the fact that Pat Robertson and his fellow dimwits have the right to do so, but it also doesn’t change the fact that we have the right to call them out for the hateful cocksuckers they are… — Michael Nash – aa # 1651 "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." — Teddy Roosevelt (Kansas City Star, 7 May 1918) "The Three Branches of Government: Money, Television, and Bullshit." — P. J. O’Rourke "Conservatives want a federal government so small it fits in your bedroom." — Brian Westley

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<snip Michael Nash – aa # 1651 "Conservatives want a federal government so small it fits in your bedroom." — Brian Westley

Hah! He forgot a few. Republican’s wan’t smaller goverment, UNLESS it’s an election year, OR it helps big business. Now if only they were alone in doing all that we might be ok. Morcova Campus Crusade for Cthulhu! Smile.. Cthulhu Loaths You!

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            Prayer isn’t offensive…just futile. Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The ‘prayer offensive’ Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson has launched what he calls, without a trace of irony, a "prayer offensive," calling upon a critical mass of Christians to persuade God to effect the removal of three Supreme Court justices who voted to reject a Texas law against sodomy. The offensive prayer reads: "One justice is 83 years old, another has cancer and another has a heart condition. Is it not possible for God to put it in the minds of these three judges that the time has come to retire?" If the Lord would but grant his prayer, he says, President Bush could appoint "conservative judges, a massive change in federal jurisprudence can take place." The separation of church and state could be ended and "a ‘right to privacy’ not found in the Constitution" that has been used to allow abortion and consensual sodomy, and "opened the door to homosexual marriages, bigamy, legalized prostitution and even incest," would be struck down. Pressed to name the justices, he said he meant John Paul Stevens, 83, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 70 and 73-year-old Sandra Day O’Connor, the author of the majority opinion in Bowers v. Hardwick, who must be surprised to hear herself described as a "liberal." All three must be appalled to hear a national religious leader beseeching the Almighty for their death or incapacitation, which is the usual reason justices retire. Attentive readers of the Bible cannot help but feel nervous for Brother Robinson, given the Almighty’s hair-trigger temper and unpredictable sense of humor. Think of Lot’s wife, Onan, and Moses’ sister, who was turned into a leper for asking an inappropriate question. One would think a man who has just survived prostate cancer, as the Reverend Robertson has, would think twice about saying a fellow cancer survivor, Justice Ginsburg, should hang up her robe. And what would we do for adult supervision at the White House if Dick Cheney’s fifth coronary carried him off? It is unwise to provoke the wrath of God in this fashion, and so all Americans of good will should pray for the continuing good health not only of all nine justices, but of the TV reverend, without whose comments public life in this country would be considerably duller and less wacky. Remember when he blamed the 9/11 attacks on the moral degeneracy of homosexuals and feminists? What a hoot! As the philosopher Anne Lamott reminds us: "You can safely assume that you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." We can only hope that God takes the good reverend and his views just as seriously as we do.

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Yea, freedom of speech really sucks when the speech is against your beliefs.

I must have missed the part of the post where Nesa objected to Robertson’s freedom of speech. You must have missed the part of freedom of speech which includes freedom to have one’s words criticized as a necessary component.

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Yea, freedom of speech really sucks when the speech is against your beliefs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The ‘prayer offensive’ Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson has launched what he calls, without a trace of irony, a "prayer offensive," calling upon a critical mass of Christians to persuade God to effect the removal of three Supreme Court justices who voted to reject a Texas law against sodomy. The offensive prayer reads: "One justice is 83 years old, another has cancer and another has a heart condition. Is it not possible for God to put it in the minds of these three judges that the time has come to retire?" If the Lord would but grant his prayer, he says, President Bush could appoint "conservative judges, a massive change in federal jurisprudence can take place." The separation of church and state could be ended and "a ‘right to privacy’ not found in the Constitution" that has been used to allow abortion and consensual sodomy, and "opened the door to homosexual marriages, bigamy, legalized prostitution and even incest," would be struck down. Pressed to name the justices, he said he meant John Paul Stevens, 83, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 70 and 73-year-old Sandra Day O’Connor, the author of the majority opinion in Bowers v. Hardwick, who must be surprised to hear herself described as a "liberal." All three must be appalled to hear a national religious leader beseeching the Almighty for their death or incapacitation, which is the usual reason justices retire. Attentive readers of the Bible cannot help but feel nervous for Brother Robinson, given the Almighty’s hair-trigger temper and unpredictable sense of humor. Think of Lot’s wife, Onan, and Moses’ sister, who was turned into a leper for asking an inappropriate question. One would think a man who has just survived prostate cancer, as the Reverend Robertson has, would think twice about saying a fellow cancer survivor, Justice Ginsburg, should hang up her robe. And what would we do for adult supervision at the White House if Dick Cheney’s fifth coronary carried him off? It is unwise to provoke the wrath of God in this fashion, and so all Americans of good will should pray for the continuing good health not only of all nine justices, but of the TV reverend, without whose comments public life in this country would be considerably duller and less wacky. Remember when he blamed the 9/11 attacks on the moral degeneracy of homosexuals and feminists? What a hoot! As the philosopher Anne Lamott reminds us: "You can safely assume that you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." We can only hope that God takes the good reverend and his views just as seriously as we do.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The ‘prayer offensive’ Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson has launched what he calls, without a trace of irony, a "prayer offensive," calling upon a critical mass of Christians to persuade God to effect the removal of three Supreme Court justices who voted to reject a Texas law against sodomy. The offensive prayer reads: "One justice is 83 years old, another has cancer and another has a heart condition. Is it not possible for God to put it in the minds of these three judges that the time has come to retire?" If the Lord would but grant his prayer, he says, President Bush could appoint "conservative judges, a massive change in federal jurisprudence can take place." The separation of church and state could be ended and "a ‘right to privacy’ not found in the Constitution" that has been used to allow abortion and consensual sodomy, and "opened the door to homosexual marriages, bigamy, legalized prostitution and even incest," would be struck down. Pressed to name the justices, he said he meant John Paul Stevens, 83, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, 70 and 73-year-old Sandra Day O’Connor, the author of the majority opinion in Bowers v. Hardwick, who must be surprised to hear herself described as a "liberal." All three must be appalled to hear a national religious leader beseeching the Almighty for their death or incapacitation, which is the usual reason justices retire. Attentive readers of the Bible cannot help but feel nervous for Brother Robinson, given the Almighty’s hair-trigger temper and unpredictable sense of humor. Think of Lot’s wife, Onan, and Moses’ sister, who was turned into a leper for asking an inappropriate question. One would think a man who has just survived prostate cancer, as the Reverend Robertson has, would think twice about saying a fellow cancer survivor, Justice Ginsburg, should hang up her robe. And what would we do for adult supervision at the White House if Dick Cheney’s fifth coronary carried him off? It is unwise to provoke the wrath of God in this fashion, and so all Americans of good will should pray for the continuing good health not only of all nine justices, but of the TV reverend, without whose comments public life in this country would be considerably duller and less wacky. Remember when he blamed the 9/11 attacks on the moral degeneracy of homosexuals and feminists? What a hoot! As the philosopher Anne Lamott reminds us: "You can safely assume that you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." We can only hope that God takes the good reverend and his views just as seriously as we do.

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