Christianity QA

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Surely you do not believe that the characters found in the biblical texts are real? Right? Jesus was real, documented in othr texts besides the bible. (snip) Yes but there were 3 jesus pendara (his full name) hung on the cross in that year alone. So which one was it?

I’m not sure it really matters, It is the word that is supposed to be followed.  The entity written about in the new testiment is the character that spoke of himself as the son of man, and allowed others to refer to him as the son of God. He never advocated the use of violence, so he was not the warlike geurilla leader that I’ve heard refered to. Of course this is all taken on faith. It is my personal opinion that it does not matter what path you walk, as long as you walk one.  I remain a follower of Christ, mainly because that is what I was taught as a child. I read in several different experiences, and I am uncomfortable with public displays of some Christ followers because methinks they do protest to much. Trying to prove their belief, that in fact they are trying to prove to themselves. In the end move with love towards your fellow traveler wether or not you believe in the form that she/ he is using. JB

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Surely you do not believe that the characters found in the biblical texts are real? Right? Jesus was real, documented in othr texts besides the bible. If Christian belief is true then Jesus was God born as a man to suffer as a man and experience what man experiences in order to "save" all mankind. The trinity was God the father, God the son, and most importantly God the Spirit.  The message that Christ brought us was one of survival for all mankind : to love others as yourself and to love God with all your soul and all your might. All cultures, races, both sexes were embraced by Jesus, a fact that was lost by his followers. No I don’t believe that Satan is a literal creature, I do believe that he is our dark side. It was easier to deal with our dark actions if we could blame it on an exterior source rather than take responsibillity for our actions. Hence the creation of the dark angel. A seeker on the path JB

I beleive that God the spirit, is better known as the Holy Ghost. but in catholic dogma such a thing as a Ghost douse not exist. Your faith is your own affair of course, and I am glad you have found your path. But you have no right to expect others to follow your path, they have their own way to follow. Please credit us with the maturity to make our own decisions on faith, religion, and our way of life, I would not for one moment expect you to follow my way, why do you expect us to follow yours, unless of course you are still unsure of your path, or you beleive that impossed religion is acceptable to your god. — The ‘Old Craft’ lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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Well, this is coming from a 16 year old who attends a Catholic school. So, don’t get all freaked when I say what I say. Ok? Ok. Hehe.

My sympathies. My mother was in catholic school till the 8th grade, and my husband was in catholic grade school and middle school and an all boys hihg school and a jesuit university. But he is feeling much better now, thankyou.

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Surely you do not believe that the characters found in the biblical texts are real? Right? Jesus was real, documented in othr texts besides the bible. (snip)

Yes but there were 3 jesus pendara (his full name) hung on the cross in that year alone. So which one was it?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A seeker on the path JB I beleive that God the spirit, is better known as the Holy Ghost. but in catholic dogma such a thing as a Ghost douse not exist. Your faith is your own affair of course, and I am glad you have found your path. But you have no right to expect others to follow your path, they have their own way to follow. Please credit us with the maturity to make our own decisions on faith, religion, and our way of life, I would not for one moment expect you to follow my way, why do you expect us to follow yours, unless of course you are still unsure of your path, or you beleive that impossed religion is acceptable to your god. — The ‘Old Craft’ lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

I really do respect your right to worship whatever and who ever you want to.  Please don’t get defensive, and misunderstand the discussion. My actual belief is that as long as you worship the Devine in what ever form you wish ,you are ok. (as long as you are not hurting anyone else). That makes me a bit of a heretic i suppose, some of the mail I’ve recieved from some of the other members on this newsgroup leads me to think that there is little difference between most of the Wiccans and Christians, most of you are willing to jump to conclusions rather than actually listen. I am Christian, because I was raised that way. I found out that all you do by jumping from one religious discipline to another is you fail to look for the truth that is already in front of you, if you only had the patience to look there, and that doesn’t matter wether you are jewish,christian,buddist,wiccan, muslim, or what have you. That does not mean that you cannot find the truth in other peoples writings. just search out the truth whereever you feel right. Most christians are not aware of half of the spiritual messages available to them in their own religion and the meaning of what they hear if they even attend services. The Devine believes in us and loves us no matter what box we try to put the Devine into. I remain a seeker on the path(not the only path Shez,just one of many) JB

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I really do respect your right to worship whatever and who ever you want to.  Please don’t get defensive, and misunderstand the discussion. My actual belief is that as long as you worship the Devine in what ever form you wish ,you are ok. (as long as you are not hurting anyone else). That makes me a bit of a heretic i suppose, some of the mail I’ve recieved from some of the other members on this newsgroup leads me to think that there is little difference between most of the Wiccans and Christians, most of you are willing to jump to conclusions rather than actually listen. I am Christian, because I was raised that way. I found out that all you do by jumping from one religious discipline to another is you fail to look for the truth that is already in front of you, if you only had the patience to look there,I remain a seeker on the path(not the only path Shez,just one of many) JB

Please dont be defensive back JB this is a pagan newsgroup, we are inundated by Christian messages, and usualy by those who are so unsure of themselves that they feel there faith is threatend by us.  As I said I wish you joy on the path you have chosen. Wish us joy on our path, and let us go our own way. — The ‘Old Craft’ lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

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Surely you do not believe that the characters found in the biblical texts are real? Right?

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Well, this is coming from a 16 year old who attends a Catholic school. So, don’t get all freaked when I say what I say. Ok? Ok. Hehe. Note: When I say God, I say the Christian God, duh. I don’t really know. When I read and learn about Christianity/Catholicism, it boggles me sometimes. How people can believe this and that, and him and her and blahblah. Who knows. THey think the same about us (and worse really!). But, if Jesus and Satan exist. Satan let’s see, was a angel, a bad little angel that screwed with God, and God banished from heaven, and Satan became the ruler of Hell, therefore sort of like a counterpart of God, the evil Counterpart. Or something like that. So no, I don’t believe in Satan. But that’s just me, he wasn’t a real person, I don’t think. Jesus? Or sure, there were thousands of people named Jesus back then. But, was there the Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Mary, blahblah? Ah, sure. Why not. People spent a lifetime writing about this man, and why couldn’t he had existed? All the Saints existed, Jesus is sorta a higher Saint don’t you think? (i do) I assume Jesus existed, and he performed his little miracles (sorta like we do possibly) and good for him. Do I believe in their religious beliefs no, but I do think it is possible a guy named Jesus who got lucky with his touch existed. That’s my two sense. Alexandra

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Surely you do not believe that the characters found in the biblical texts are real? Right?

Jesus was probably a real Jewish freedom fighter struggling against the Roman Imperial occupation forces and Upper-class Jewish collaborationists. None of the New Testament gospels were written by eye-witnesses to the events they describe. Satan is a Judaification of the Persian force of darkness (as derived from Zoroastrian dualism). The Jews very likely picked this up during the Babylonian captivity. Cairns

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Surely you do not believe that the characters found in the biblical texts are real? Right?

Jesus was real, documented in othr texts besides the bible. If Christian belief is true then Jesus was God born as a man to suffer as a man and experience what man experiences in order to "save" all mankind. The trinity was God the father, God the son, and most importantly God the Spirit.  The message that Christ brought us was one of survival for all mankind : to love others as yourself and to love God with all your soul and all your might. All cultures, races, both sexes were embraced by Jesus, a fact that was lost by his followers. No I don’t believe that Satan is a literal creature, I do believe that he is our dark side. It was easier to deal with our dark actions if we could blame it on an exterior source rather than take responsibillity for our actions. Hence the creation of the dark angel. A seeker on the path JB

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