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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election… Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office…. 
No no no…The fascist Al Gore lost.
Suuuuuure.. It was Al Gore that over-rode the constitutional separation of church and state, with an edict… And it was Al Gore that disregarded the Constitutional protection of American Citizens from unreasonable search and seizure.. And, it was Al Gore that decided that Habeas Corpus should be abolished. And it was Al Gore that tried to create an amendment to the US Constitution to -take away- rights of the Citizens…. Uh-huh. Suuuuure. And I guess this quote is from Al Gore, as well: "I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don’t agree with each other, but that’s OK. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator," Bush joked. — CNN.com, December 18, 2000 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As in 2000, Gov. Jeb Bush’s private secret police are busy as hell these days, trying to frighten and bully black voters in Florida from voting in November’s presidential election. Have Americans really become so weak, so cowardly, so resigned to being slaves in their own country that they’ll stand for this? It’s ironic as hell, isn’t it? Ask any true-blue American about the country’s famous obsession with firearms and you’ll get a lecture about how the Founding Fathers feared government tyranny above all else and were convinced that an armed populace was the best defence against the government falling into the hands of a dictatorial, undemocratic cabal that wants to suppress Americans’ constitutional rights. Here we are, a little over 200 years later. The American government has indeed fallen into the hands of an unelected, undemocratic cabal of Texas goons who are working overtime to suppress Americans’ constitutional rights (as well as destroy the economy, wage illegal war for bogus reasons, lie to their constituents, govern for private gain rather than the public good and turn the nation into an international pariah). There’s no sign of the guns, however. Those so-called guarantors of Americans’ freedoms remain locked in their cabinets and safes, well-oiled and presumably ready to deal death to their owners’ real perceived enemies — those four-footed, furry terrorists that lurk in the country’s forests and on its plains, plotting their next attack on those brave, courageous, fearless lovers of liberty. The Founding Fathers were wrong. Americans — now grown morbidly obese on McDonald’s burgers and connected to the world only through their television sets — are a zillion miles from being able to take back their country, and too fucking dumb to even know that they should. How pathetic is this? Some people just don’t deserve freedom. Some do but have it stolen from them. And then you have Americans, who pissed theirs away for a Big Mac and an episode of Survivor. === Suppress the Vote? By BOB HERBERT New York Times Published: August 16, 2004 The big story out of Florida over the weekend was the tragic devastation caused by Hurricane Charley. But there’s another story from Florida that deserves our attention. State police officers have gone into the homes of elderly black voters in Orlando and interrogated them as part of an odd "investigation" that has frightened many voters, intimidated elderly volunteers and thrown a chill over efforts to get out the black vote in November. The officers, from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which reports to Gov. Jeb Bush, say they are investigating allegations of voter fraud that came up during the Orlando mayoral election in March. Officials refused to discuss details of the investigation, other than to say that absentee ballots are involved. They said they had no idea when the investigation might end, and acknowledged that it may continue right through the presidential election. "We did a preliminary inquiry into those allegations and then we concluded that there was enough evidence to follow through with a full criminal investigation," said Geo Morales, a spokesman for the Department of Law Enforcement. The state police officers, armed and in plain clothes, have questioned dozens of voters in their homes. Some of those questioned have been volunteers in get-out-the-vote campaigns. I asked Mr. Morales in a telephone conversation to tell me what criminal activity had taken place. "I can’t talk about that," he said. I asked if all the people interrogated were black. "Well, mainly it was a black neighborhood we were looking at – yes,” he said. He also said, "Most of them were elderly." When I asked why, he said, "That’s just the people we selected out of a random sample to interview." Back in the bad old days, some decades ago, when Southern whites used every imaginable form of chicanery to prevent blacks from voting, blacks often fought back by creating voters leagues, which were organizations that helped to register, educate and encourage black voters. It became a tradition that continues in many places, including Florida, today. Not surprisingly, many of the elderly black voters who found themselves face to face with state police officers in Orlando are members of the Orlando League of Voters, which has been very successful in mobilizing the city’s black vote. The president of the Orlando League of Voters is Ezzie Thomas, who is 73 years old. With his demonstrated ability to deliver the black vote in Orlando, Mr. Thomas is a tempting target for supporters of George W. Bush in a state in which the black vote may well spell the difference between victory and defeat. The vile smell of voter suppression is all over this so-called investigation by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Joseph Egan, an Orlando lawyer who represents Mr. Thomas, said: "The Voters League has workers who go into the community to do voter registration, drive people to the polls and help with absentee ballots. They are elderly women mostly. They get paid like $100 for four or five months’ work, just to offset things like the cost of their gas. They see this political activity as an important contribution to their community. Some of the people in the community had never cast a ballot until the league came to their door and encouraged them to vote." Now, said Mr. Egan, the fear generated by state police officers going into people’s homes as part of an ongoing criminal investigation related to voting is threatening to undo much of the good work of the league. He said, "One woman asked me, ‘Am I going to go to jail now because I voted by absentee ballot?’ " According to Mr. Egan, "People who have voted by absentee ballot for years are refusing to allow campaign workers to come to their homes. And volunteers who have participated for years in assisting people, particularly the elderly or handicapped, are scared and don’t want to risk a criminal investigation." Florida is a state that’s very much in play in the presidential election, with some polls showing John Kerry in the lead. A heavy-handed state police investigation that throws a blanket of fear over thousands of black voters can only help President Bush. The long and ugly tradition of suppressing the black vote is alive and thriving in the Sunshine State. ===
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election… Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office…. Posts such as yours confirm that the left has lost it big time…
You just proved you don’t know the meaning of the word. Say ‘moo’ now……
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election… Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office…. Posts such as yours confirm that the left has lost it big time… What can you expect from those who base their political opinions on hate of the current president and nothing else. And NOTHING ELSE ????? Have you had your head in a hole for the past 4 years, or something ? No, that’s why i hold that opinion. All you on the left have is hate.
LOL! You must be part mushroom. You -like- being kept in the dark, and fed horseshit. The President took an Oath to the very -God- he claims to believe in, to uphold and protect the Constitution, something he has -repeatedly- failed to do, and in many cases even illegally attempted to ignore or supersede. Nonsense.
The only nonsense is Bushs. http://www.sunnetworks.net/~ggarman/unconst-faith-based.html PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH’S UNCONSTITUTIONAL FAITH-BASED INITIATIVE LAW AND THE RELATED DISTORTION OF WHAT DISCRIMINATION MEANS. Federal Judge: Bush Abortion Ban Unconstitutional [New Window] Published on Tuesday, June 1, 2004 by the Associated Press. Federal Judge: Bush Abortion Ban Unconstitutional. by David Kravets. SAN … http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0601-09.htm He, simply put, broke that Oath. Nonsense. That’s just rhetoric aka hate.
That is a FACT. Faith-Based Charities Unconstitutional, says the father of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. . http://members.tripod.com/~candst/faith.htm CNN.com – Federal judge rules part of Patriot Act unconstitutional … [New Window] … Law. Federal judge rules part of Patriot Act unconstitutional. Story Tools. … http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/01/26/patriot.act.ap/ -That- provides the Foundation of my, and -many- others dislike of this President. A: He is a liar, and broke an Oath to God. Nonsense and hate
Bull, Time and time -again-, he breaks this oath. ABCNEWS.com : Lawyer Still Trying to Meet Detainee … Lawyer Still Trying to Meet Detainee. Attorney Still Trying to Meet With Client Jailed As … Last month, the US Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional to hold … http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040727_1260.html [ B: If he can't be honest to God, what makes you think he is going to be honest to us ? Nonsense and hate.
You have been reduced to simple denial. Secrecy News 05/31/02 ... SECRET DEPORTATION HEARINGS RULED UNCONSTITUTIONAL. ... Bush Administration, a federal judge ruled this week ... other groups that September 11 detainee identities must ... http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/secrecy/2002/05/053102.html C: The very Foundation of this Country, and Freedom and Liberty is predicated upon one of the Greatest Documents of all times, the -Constitution-. So much so, not only does the President take an Oath to support it, but so does every Man and Woman in the Military. The one that the left has shredded for decades? Surely you jest.
How deluded, you think it the -left-, the -rights- activists, that have shredded Constitutional rights ????? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! To break -that- Oath, is akin to Treason, and at minimum A dire threat to every Americas Security. When can we try Kerry and the Democrats for Treason for the "Crime Bill"? And don't think for a second, such dislike is limited to just his anti-Constitutional agenda... It's all hate.
All -well earned-, by a philosophical traitor. Complete with facts to back the point. I don't like his constant attempts to deceive and mislead the Americans, like they were Sheep... Then why are you voting for Kerry? It's all he does. Bush has not done so.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA! This is the most deceptive administration in my -lifetime-, or do you still think we are going to find "WMD deployable in 45 minutes" ????? I don't like the way he raided the Tax coffers, in a fashion that screwed the common man... but benefited the Wealthy. Rhetoric. Look at thelast 50 years and what the left and Democrats have done.
Yeah, civil rights for blacks... Women's equal rights... Equal work, equal pay.. The End of Segregation.... Years of Peace..... Real -horrible-, huh ? I don't like his ignorant superstitious Bad Science, that always seems to benefit Big Business, while screwing natural resources, or the cause of common man... how convenient. Rhetoric. We have some of the worlds toughest EPA standards.
No thanks to -Bush-, that is for sure! Bush Greenwatch [New Window] … New Bush EPA Rules Change Adds Still More Health Risks. Despite the threat to public health, the Bush administration’s Environmental … http://www.bushgreenwatch.org/mt_archives/000130.php Or, do you mean the Kyoto treaty ? :P I don’t like the way he thinks he is a "ruler", instead of a public servant.. He is in charge. That is his job. Your comment just shows hate.
"By the People, For the People" So sorry, we did -not- change the US to a Monarch based Theocracy. And I don’t like the way he uses every dirty trick in the book to further his reich wing agenda… Ya… "reich" wouldn’t be hate driven…now would it. LOL
Oh, you mean how he -hates- gays having the right to marry and be monogamous ? His ignorant superstitions have caused one of the largest outbreaks of Aids in recent history. for example, the Patriot II portions being hidden in other unrelated bills… or trying to appoint Supreme Court Judges who were neither qualified, nor even believed in the Constitution as the Supreme law of the land… I don;t like the patriot act either. But this is a war.
Yeah, upon our Civil Rights! That is exact same thing the Nazi’s said to the Germans, BTW. Rove learned -well- from the Communist Fascists. He has no sense of remorse, no sense of right or wrong. We’re talking about Bush… not Kerry and the Democrats.
Exactly. See, even now, you show NO remorse, and look for a deceptive spin. And I -really- don’t like that he is a mirror of the very people we are at war with, just the other side of the coin. Utterly rediculous. In fact laughable except it reflects so pitiously on you to say such a wacked thing.
The man told us that -God- told him to attack Iraq! And this differs from the Muslims saying God told them to attack the US, how, exactly ? I could hear the following words coming out of the mouth of an Imam, yet it didn’t… "I don’t know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. " President George H. W. Bush (the First), during an August 27, 1987 interview by Rob Sherman Apparently, this must run in the family. A Fundamentalist Religious Zealot, hellbent on on forcing his views on others. Ya, heavens forbid Bush have core beliefs and a sense of right and wrong instead of a poll driven set of beliefs like the left has. And frankly Darkness, the very notion that he is not allowed to be religious speaks to why I am so opposed to the left in this country. That the 1st Amendment protects our rights to freedom of religion seems to escape you people. Vilifying a man for his faith is bigotry. PERIOD!
He can be religious ALL HE WANTS, as long as he doesn’t try to base our -laws-, or the nations -actions- upon his own religion, or force -his- version of it down our throats… unfortunately, that is what he is trying to do… Advances In Stem Cell Research, The World Health Network – Anti … … The Genostem Project. No Surprise: Bush Still Anti-Research. Arab … GOP Member letter to President Bush. Cell Research is Essential. Senators … http://www.worldhealth.net/p/416,5711.html [ Bush says God told him to attack Iraq ... According to Abbas, immediately thereafter Bush said: "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam ..." http://www.amenusa.org/iraq89.htm If I wanted an ignorant superstitious leader, running a country based upon some psychotic religious laws, instead of our -own- laws, I would move to Islam. More bigotry. News flash Darkness.... all of western civilizations laws arebasedon Judeo Christian Ethics. In fact our entire civilization is built on them.
Our culture is an outgrowth of the ancient superstitions of our forefathers, yes... but, no need to return to the ignorance of men squatting in caves for "enlightenment". What's next, you want to enshrine statues of Merlin from King Arthur ? After all, our civilization owes much to the Celtic Arthurian Era, as well. George Washington liked to meet in special rooms where they could gather in Circles, modeled in Fashion after the Knights of the Round Table, under King Arthur.... this eventually gave rise to the Whitehouse Oval Office. We need Merlin turn him Bush into a Fish, and make him swim in his own pollution... perhaps then he would learn what is wrong with his policies. Bushs Honesty rides
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- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election... Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office.... No no no...The fascist Al Gore lost. Suuuuuure.. It was Al Gore that over-rode the constitutional separation of church and state, with an edict... There is no constitutional separation of Church and state. If their were, Jesus, refered to as our Lord, would not have been put in the Constitution itself. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That "cite" was the -DATING SYSTEM- used at the time. As in "Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven" What thin straws you guys are grasping at... So then what Lord were they speaking of when giving the date and why did they not use that same phrase when speaking to other dtaes in the document? Hmmmmm?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That is the "official" closing dating, a long standing -legal- tradition, often used in official documents, dating back to England's Parliamentary Procedure! And, to use the -Christian Era- dating system as proof they founded the Government upon Christianity, is almost beyond credulous! So, using that logic, since Jewish Rabbi's use CE notation on letters, this means they are Christian ? BWHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA! And legal principles like 'dies non;' would not exist. Dies Non is about how Sunday, the Christian Sabbath cannot be used for the service of legal process, the return of writs, or other judicial purposes. In fact, in our country.... executive departments and the public establishments, are all closed on Sundays; ...neither House of Congress sits. Yeah, there were lots of leftover superstitions, commonly known as colloquialisms that were cultural artifacts of the time. We call those Blue Laws, and most are have been abolished in modern times. Left over...meaning our founders didn't intend on the SOCAS that you are claiming. Thanks for admitting it.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You claim the early habits of the settlers respecting the Sabbath day, as a day of rest is evidence we were founded as a Christian Nation ? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH! You -really- mean then, they admit they are JEWISH ? As that is a JEWISH tradition, as -Jesus- taught that people could -work- on the Sabbath..... Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. Luke 4:31 And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days. Luke 6:1 And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing [them] in [their] hands. Luke 6:2 And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days? Luke 6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. It was simply cultural common practice, since working 7 days a week made a man ill… so they all coordinated their day off. It was a cultural common practice, and yes, it had it origination in the -Jewish- practices.. but, then again, so does circumcision. But, not all people circumcised, are Jewish, either. It is a practice that is based upon sound principals, at least it was in -that- day and age. A cultural common practice. Did you know in Maryland, for example, it is illegal to have sex with your wife on Sunday ? It’s illegal in GA and AL to own sex toys. Or, have -oral- sex, -any- day ? And you want to regress back to such medieval practices and bylaws ? Never said that. But I expected you to vilify me rather than address the facts presented. Who’s statue is on top of the Capital Building?
What!?!?!? Oh my, how rich, I have to ask who do YOU think it is ? Hint, it is a -Female-, did you think it was Jesus ? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! So, now you argue rather than Xian, they worshipped the _Goddess_ ? The Nature based religion ? You may be -right-, from the DOI: "When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation." She is, after all, Natures God. But, they -still- kept the State and Church separate, irrespective. BTW: The Statue is _FREEDOM_. As in freedom from religious oppression from a Church-State. Respecting -common practices- of the time, does not a -combination- of Church and State make… The term "Separation of Church and State" spouted as constitutional by the left is from a letter written by -Jefferson. So your argument is that it was from then and since this is now… we should adopt it? Hu?
It was a Founding principal of this nation…. we had experienced too much of the Tyranny of the religious based system. Many of the early settlers came here to -escape- religious persecution by a State-Church. The letter was explaining the reasoning behind the Constitutional clauses demanding Separation… so, really, the argument is we should support it because it is IN the Constitution. It is merely being clarified by Jefferson’s letter, for those people foolish enough to believe that it doesn’t -really- mean what it does. Like, Duhh! I guess all those cases ruled on by the Supreme Court, (USSC) regarding the Separation of Church and State, were mere misnomers, huh ? They were/are political activism. The 1st says what it says. It does not mention SOCAS and frankly…. these 10 items show that the USSC was wrong….
You really should give credit to the web sites you cut and paste from… That is called plagiarism, and is wrong. 1) Separation of Church and State does not appear in the Constitution nor was it ever mentioned in the framing of the first amendment.
But is -mentioned- in the real one… in the form of the establishment clause… and Jefferson’s letter explains it quite clearly. And I have no intention of point by point refuting all the rest of the rationalizations of some else’s site, that isn’t cited. Now, back to the Original Point, Bush is a traitor to the founding principals of America. And self deluded fools like -you-, are his sheep. Can you say "Hoodwink" ? I -knew- you could. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2) The same day Congress passed the First Amendment (Sept. 25, 1789); they approved a resolution requesting President George Washington to proclaim "…a day of public thanksgiving and prayer…." clearly showing that what the ACLU and the Christ-O-Phobes in Amercian push is not what the first was intended to be. 3) Jefferson was an ambassador in France during the time of the Constitutional Convention. However, while President of the United States, Thomas Jefferson was also made president of the Washington, DC public school system in which he placed the Bible and the Isaac Watt’s hymnal as the two primary reading texts! Showing clearly that his letter to the Danbury Baptists does not mean what it has been spun to mean. 4) The first Amendment only limits legislation 5) First English language Bible printed in America was by Congress in 1782 "for use of schools." 6) The founding fathers gave speeches, read from the Bible, and prayed at public school graduations. They [The founding fathers] also used the U.S. Capitol as a church building. 7) Founding father judges had prayer in their court rooms with the jurors. 
The Northwest Ordinance, which outlines the requirement for statehood reads in SECTION 13, ARTICLE III: "Religion, morality, and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged." Let us not forget that this law was passed from July 17 – August 7, 1789; during the midst of the framing of the First Amendment, which was June 7 – September 25, 1789. 9) The Constitution of the United States not only recognizes the Sabbath day as a day of rest but also mentions the Christian God and refers to Him as "our Lord". 10) Sunday, the Christian Sabbath, is recognized by all the departments of Government? In the law, Sunday is a ‘dies non;’ it cannot be used for the service of legal process, the return of writs, or other judicial purposes. The executive departments, the public establishments, are all closed on Sundays; …neither House of Congress sits." Or all those Quotes, from our Founding fathers, are just "out of context", huh ? You seem to be taking them that way. "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election… Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office…. Posts such as yours confirm that the left has lost it big time… Such -witty- repartee, I am left flabbergasted. You don’t deal with reality, so why in the fuck should anyone take you seriously? Oh My… now we are resorting to baseless ad hominem. Lets see, to follow the -depths- of your incredible logic. "Your ugly, and your breath stinks too!" 
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election… Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office…. Posts such as yours confirm that the left has lost it big time… Such -witty- repartee, I am left flabbergasted. That doesn’t seem too dificult to do when it comes to you. Just a few facts and you get flabbergasted. What is next, a resounding "Oh yeah! Says you !" As opposed to your labeling people and name calling?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election… Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office…. Posts such as yours confirm that the left has lost it big time… What can you expect from those who base their political opinions on hate of the current president and nothing else. And NOTHING ELSE ????? Have you had your head in a hole for the past 4 years, or something ?
No, that’s why i hold that opinion. All you on the left have is hate. The President took an Oath to the very -God- he claims to believe in, to uphold and protect the Constitution, something he has -repeatedly- failed to do, and in many cases even illegally attempted to ignore or supersede.
Nonsense. He, simply put, broke that Oath.
Nonsense. That’s just rhetoric aka hate. -That- provides the Foundation of my, and -many- others dislike of this President. A: He is a liar, and broke an Oath to God.
Nonsense and hate B: If he can’t be honest to God, what makes you think he is going to be honest to us ?
Nonsense and hate. C: The very Foundation of this Country, and Freedom and Liberty is predicated upon one of the Greatest Documents of all times, the -Constitution-. So much so, not only does the President take an Oath to support it, but so does every Man and Woman in the Military.
The one that the left has shredded for decades? Surely you jest. To break -that- Oath, is akin to Treason, and at minimum A dire threat to every Americas Security.
When can we try Kerry and the Democrats for Treason for the "Crime Bill"? And don’t think for a second, such dislike is limited to just his anti-Constitutional agenda…
It’s all hate. I don’t like his constant attempts to deceive and mislead the Americans, like they were Sheep…
Then why are you voting for Kerry? It’s all he does. Bush has not done so. I don’t like the way he raided the Tax coffers, in a fashion that screwed the common man… but benefited the Wealthy.
Rhetoric. Look at thelast 50 years and what the left and Democrats have done. I don’t like his ignorant superstitious Bad Science, that always seems to benefit Big Business, while screwing natural resources, or the cause of common man… how convenient.
Rhetoric. We have some of the worlds toughest EPA standards. I don’t like the way he thinks he is a "ruler", instead of a public servant..
He is in charge. That is his job. Your comment just shows hate. And I don’t like the way he uses every dirty trick in the book to further his reich wing agenda…
Ya… "reich" wouldn’t be hate driven…now would it. LOL for example, the Patriot II portions being hidden in other unrelated bills… or trying to appoint Supreme Court Judges who were neither qualified, nor even believed in the Constitution as the Supreme law of the land…
I don;t like the patriot act either. But this is a war. He has no sense of remorse, no sense of right or wrong.
We’re talking about Bush… not Kerry and the Democrats. And I -really- don’t like that he is a mirror of the very people we are at war with, just the other side of the coin.
Utterly rediculous. In fact laughable except it reflects so pitiously on you to say such a wacked thing. A Fundamentalist Religious Zealot, hellbent on on forcing his views on
others. Ya, heavens forbid Bush have core beliefs and a sense of right and wrong instead of a poll driven set of beliefs like the left has. And frankly Darkness, the very notion that he is not allowed to be religious speaks to why I am so opposed to the left in this country. That the 1st Amendment protects our rights to freedom of religion seems to escape you people. Vilifying a man for his faith is bigotry. PERIOD! If I wanted an ignorant superstitious leader, running a country based upon some psychotic religious laws, instead of our -own- laws, I would move
to Islam. More bigotry. News flash Darkness…. all of western civilizations laws arebasedon Judeo Christian Ethics. In fact our entire civilization is built on them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The US was founded to get away from -just- such crap. This Countries Government is supposed to be "By the People, and for the People". And Bush -hates- that concept, he thinks it is by the Government for the Government. –
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election… Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office…. Posts such as yours confirm that the left has lost it big time… Such -witty- repartee, I am left flabbergasted.
That doesn’t seem too dificult to do when it comes to you. Just a few facts and you get flabbergasted. What is next, a resounding "Oh yeah! Says you !"
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election… Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office…. :P No no no…The fascist Al Gore lost. Suuuuuure.. It was Al Gore that over-rode the constitutional separation of church and state, with an edict… There is no constitutional separation of Church and state. If their were, Jesus, refered to as our Lord, would not have been put in the Constitution itself.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That "cite" was the -DATING SYSTEM- used at the time. As in "Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven" What thin straws you guys are grasping at… And legal principles like ‘dies non;’ would not exist. Dies Non is about how Sunday, the Christian Sabbath cannot be used for the service of legal process, the return of writs, or other judicial purposes. In fact, in our country…. executive departments and the public establishments, are all closed on Sundays; …neither House of Congress sits.
Yeah, there were lots of leftover superstitions, commonly known as colloquiialisms that were cultural artifacts of the time. We call those Blue Laws, and most are have been abolished in modern times. Did you know in Maryland, for example, it is illegal to have sex with your wife on Sunday ? Or, have -oral- sex, -any- day ? And you want to regress back to such medieval practices and bylaws ? Respecting -common practices- of the time, does not a -combination- of Church and State make… I guess all those cases ruled on by the Supreme Court, (USSC) regarding the Separation of Church and State, were mere misnomers, huh ? Or all those Quotes, from our Founding fathers, are just "out of context", huh ? "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state." — Thomas Jefferson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As to what else you’re sqwauking about… who knows but you. And it was Al Gore that disregarded the Constitutional protection of American Citizens from unreasonable search and seizure.. No, he was toobusy trying to disarm us all an crushing the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. And, it was Al Gore that decided that Habeas Corpus should be abolished. Rhetoric. No citizen is denied the ability to file a writ. And it was Al Gore that tried to create an amendment to the US Constitution to -take away- rights of the Citizens…. Gays have the same rights as I do in that department. Marriage is a union between man and women and takes its traditions from Religion. Specifically the Judeo Christian Ethic. I can’t marry a man either. And frankly…70+ % of American’s oppose gay marriage for the reason I state above. Showing you and those like you are on the fringe. Uh-huh. Suuuuure. The first thing you said that makes any sense. Glad you agree with me. And I guess this quote is from Al Gore, as well: "I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don’t agree with each other, but that’s OK. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator," Bush joked. — CNN.com, December 18, 2000 The same Al Gore who’s President had a person arrested for telling him that he sucks? As in 2000, Gov. Jeb Bush’s private secret police are busy as hell these days, trying to frighten and bully black voters in Florida from voting in November’s presidential election. Have Americans really become so weak, so cowardly, so resigned to being slaves in their own country that they’ll stand for this? It’s ironic as hell, isn’t it? Ask any true-blue American about the country’s famous obsession with firearms and you’ll get a lecture about how the Founding Fathers feared government tyranny above all else and were convinced that an armed populace was the best defence against the government falling into the hands of a dictatorial, undemocratic cabal that wants to suppress Americans’ constitutional rights. Here we are, a little over 200 years later. The American government has indeed fallen into the hands of an unelected, undemocratic cabal of Texas goons who are working overtime to suppress Americans’ constitutional rights (as well as destroy the economy, wage illegal war for bogus reasons, lie to their constituents, govern for private gain rather than the public good and turn the nation into an international pariah). There’s no sign of the guns, however. Those so-called guarantors of Americans’ freedoms remain locked in their cabinets and safes, well-oiled and presumably ready to deal death to their owners’ real perceived enemies — those four-footed, furry terrorists that lurk in the country’s forests and on its plains, plotting their next attack on those brave, courageous, fearless lovers of liberty. The Founding Fathers were wrong. Americans — now grown morbidly obese on McDonald’s burgers and connected to the world only through their television sets — are a zillion miles from being able to take back their country, and too fucking dumb to even know that they should. How pathetic is this? Some people just don’t deserve freedom. Some do but have it stolen from them. And then you have Americans, who pissed theirs away for a Big Mac and an episode of Survivor. === Suppress the Vote? By BOB HERBERT New York Times Published: August 16, 2004 The big story out of Florida over the weekend was the tragic devastation caused by Hurricane Charley. But there’s another story from Florida that deserves our attention. State police officers have gone into the homes of elderly black voters in Orlando and interrogated them as part of an odd "investigation" that has frightened many voters, intimidated elderly volunteers and thrown a chill over efforts to get out the black vote in November. The officers, from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which reports to Gov. Jeb Bush, say they are investigating allegations of voter fraud that came up during the Orlando mayoral election in March. Officials refused to discuss details of the investigation, other than to say that absentee ballots are involved. They said they had no idea when the investigation might end, and acknowledged that it may continue right through the presidential election. "We did a preliminary inquiry into those allegations and then we concluded that there was enough evidence to follow through with a full criminal investigation," said Geo Morales, a spokesman for the Department of Law Enforcement. The state police officers, armed and in plain clothes, have questioned dozens of voters in their homes. Some of those questioned have been volunteers in get-out-the-vote campaigns. I asked Mr. Morales in a telephone conversation to tell me what criminal activity had taken place. "I can’t talk about that," he said. I asked if all the people interrogated were black. "Well, mainly it was a black neighborhood we were looking at – yes,” he said. He also said, "Most of them were elderly." When I asked why, he said, "That’s just the people we selected out of a random sample to interview." Back in the bad old days, some decades ago, when Southern whites used every imaginable form of chicanery to prevent blacks from voting, blacks often fought back by creating voters leagues, which were organizations that helped to register, educate and encourage black voters. It became a tradition that continues in many places, including Florida, today. Not surprisingly, many of the elderly black voters who found themselves face to face with state police officers in Orlando are members of the Orlando League of Voters, which has been very successful in mobilizing the city’s black vote. The president of the Orlando League of Voters is Ezzie Thomas, who is 73 years old. With his demonstrated ability to deliver the black vote in Orlando, Mr. Thomas is a tempting target for supporters of George W. Bush in a state in which the black vote may well spell the difference between victory and defeat. The vile smell of voter suppression is all over this so-called
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election… Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office…. :P No no no…The fascist Al Gore lost. Suuuuuure.. It was Al Gore that over-rode the constitutional separation of church and state, with an edict… There is no constitutional separation of Church and state. If their were, Jesus, refered to as our Lord, would not have been put in the Constitution itself. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That "cite" was the -DATING SYSTEM- used at the time. As in "Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven" What thin straws you guys are grasping at…
So then what Lord were they speaking of when givingthe date and why did they not use that same phrase when speaking to other dtaes in the document? Hmmmmm? And legal principles like ‘dies non;’ would not exist. Dies Non is about how Sunday, the Christian Sabbath cannot be used for the service of legal process, the return of writs, or other judicial purposes. In fact, in our country…. executive departments and the public establishments, are all closed on Sundays; …neither House of Congress sits. Yeah, there were lots of leftover superstitions, commonly known as colloquiialisms that were cultural artifacts of the time. We call those Blue Laws, and most are have been abolished in modern times.
Left over…meaning our founders didn’t intend on the SOCAS that you are claiming. Thanks for admitting it. Did you know in Maryland, for example, it is illegal to have sex with your wife on Sunday ?
It’s illegal in GA and AL to own sex toys. Or, have -oral- sex, -any- day ? And you want to regress back to such medieval practices and bylaws ?
Never said that. But I expected you to vilify me rather than address the facts presented. Who’s statue is on top of the Capital Building? Respecting -common practices- of the time, does not a -combination- of Church and State make…
The term "Separation of Church and State" spouted as constitutional by the left is from a letter written by Jefferson. So your argument is that it was from then and since this is now… we should adopt it? Hu? I guess all those cases ruled on by the Supreme Court, (USSC) regarding the Separation of Church and State, were mere misnomers, huh ?
They were/are political activism. The 1st says what it says. It does not mention SOCAS and frankly…. these 10 items show that the USSC was wrong…. 1) Separation of Church and State does not appear in the Constitution nor was it ever mentioned in the framing of the first amendment. 2) The same day Congress passed the First Amendment (Sept. 25, 1789); they approved a resolution requesting President George Washington to proclaim "…a day of public thanksgiving and prayer…." clearly showing that what the ACLU and the Christ-O-Phobes in Amercian push is not what the first was intended to be. 3) Jefferson was an ambassador in France during the time of the Constitutional Convention. However, while President of the United States, Thomas Jefferson was also made president of the Washington, DC public school system in which he placed the Bible and the Isaac Watt’s hymnal as the two primary reading texts! Showing clearly that his letter to the Danbury Baptists does not mean what it has been spun to mean. 4) The first Amendment only limits legislation 5) First English language Bible printed in America was by Congress in 1782 "for use of schools." 6) The founding fathers gave speeches, read from the Bible, and prayed at public school graduations. They [The founding fathers] also used the U.S. Capitol as a church building. 7) Founding father judges had prayer in their court rooms with the jurors. The Northwest Ordinance, which outlines the requirement for statehood reads in SECTION 13, ARTICLE III: "Religion, morality, and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged." Let us not forget that this law was passed from July 17 – August 7, 1789; during the midst of the framing of the First Amendment, which was June 7 – September 25, 1789. 9) The Constitution of the United States not only recognizes the Sabbath day as a day of rest but also mentions the Christian God and refers to Him as "our Lord". 10) Sunday, the Christian Sabbath, is recognized by all the departments of Government? In the law, Sunday is a ‘dies non;’ it cannot be used for the service of legal process, the return of writs, or other judicial purposes. The executive departments, the public establishments, are all closed on Sundays; …neither House of Congress sits." Or all those Quotes, from our Founding fathers, are just "out of context", huh ?
You seem to be taking them that way. "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state." — Thomas Jefferson
What patrt of "make no law" are you failing to grasp? How does, for example, the City of Los Angeles (The Angeles) having a cross in their seal equate to making a law? How does the 10 Commandments in a courtroom equate to "making a law"? hmmmmm? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As to what else you’re sqwauking about… who knows but you. And it was Al Gore that disregarded the Constitutional protection of American Citizens from unreasonable search and seizure.. No, he was toobusy trying to disarm us all an crushing the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. And, it was Al Gore that decided that Habeas Corpus should be abolished. Rhetoric. No citizen is denied the ability to file a writ. And it was Al Gore that tried to create an amendment to the US Constitution to -take away- rights of the Citizens…. Gays have the same rights as I do in that department. Marriage is a union between man and women and takes its traditions from Religion. Specifically the Judeo Christian Ethic. I can’t marry a man either. And frankly…70+ % of American’s oppose gay marriage for the reason I state above. Showing you and those like you are on the fringe. Uh-huh. Suuuuure. The first thing you said that makes any sense. Glad you agree with me. And I guess this quote is from Al Gore, as well: "I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don’t agree with each other, but that’s OK. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator," Bush joked. — CNN.com, December 18, 2000 The same Al Gore who’s President had a person arrested for telling him that he sucks? As in 2000, Gov. Jeb Bush’s private secret police are busy as hell these days, trying to frighten and bully black voters in Florida from voting in November’s presidential election. Have Americans really become so weak, so cowardly, so resigned to being slaves in their own country that they’ll stand for this? It’s ironic as hell, isn’t it? Ask any true-blue American about the country’s famous obsession with firearms and you’ll get a lecture about how the Founding Fathers feared government tyranny above all else and were convinced that an armed populace was the best defence against the government falling into the hands of a dictatorial, undemocratic cabal that wants to suppress Americans’ constitutional rights. Here we are, a little over 200 years later. The American government has indeed fallen into the hands of an unelected, undemocratic cabal of Texas goons who are working overtime to suppress Americans’ constitutional rights (as well as destroy the economy, wage illegal war for bogus reasons, lie to their constituents, govern for private gain rather than the public good and turn the nation into an international pariah). There’s no sign of the guns, however. Those so-called guarantors of Americans’ freedoms remain locked in their cabinets and safes, well-oiled and presumably ready to deal death to their owners’ real perceived enemies — those four-footed, furry terrorists that lurk in the country’s forests and on its plains, plotting their next attack on those brave, courageous, fearless lovers of liberty. The Founding Fathers were wrong. Americans — now grown morbidly obese on McDonald’s burgers and connected to the world
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election… Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office…. Posts such as yours confirm that the left has lost it big time… What can you expect from those who base their political opinions on hate of the current president and nothing else.
And NOTHING ELSE ????? Have you had your head in a hole for the past 4 years, or something ? The President took an Oath to the very -God- he claims to believe in, to uphold and protect the Constitution, something he has -repeatedly- failed to do, and in many cases even illegally attempted to ignore or supersede. He, simply put, broke that Oath. -That- provides the Foundation of my, and -many- others dislike of this President. A: He is a liar, and broke an Oath to God. B: If he can’t be honest to God, what makes you think he is going to be honest to us ? C: The very Foundation of this Country, and Freedom and Liberty is predicated upon one of the Greatest Documents of all times, the -Constitution-. So much so, not only does the President take an Oath to support it, but so does every Man and Woman in the Military. To break -that- Oath, is akin to Treason, and at minimum A dire threat to every Americas Security. And don’t think for a second, such dislike is limited to just his anti-Constitutional agenda… I don’t like his constant attempts to deceive and mislead the Americans, like they were Sheep… I don’t like the way he raided the Tax coffers, in a fashion that screwed the common man… but benefited the Wealthy. I don’t like his ignorant superstitious Bad Science, that always seems to benefit Big Business, while screwing natural resources, or the cause of common man… how convenient. I don’t like the way he thinks he is a "ruler", instead of a public servant.. And I don’t like the way he uses every dirty trick in the book to further his reich wing agenda… for example, the Patriot II portions being hidden in other unrelated bills… or trying to appoint Supreme Court Judges who were neither qualified, nor even believed in the Constitution as the Supreme law of the land… He has no sense of remorse, no sense of right or wrong. And I -really- don’t like that he is a mirror of the very people we are at war with, just the other side of the coin. A Fundamentalist Religious Zealot, hellbent on on forcing his views on others. If I wanted an ignorant superstitious leader, running a country based upon some psychotic religious laws, instead of our -own- laws, I would move to Islam. The US was founded to get away from -just- such crap. This Countries Government is supposed to be "By the People, and for the People". And Bush -hates- that concept, he thinks it is by the Government for the Government. – – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election… Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office…. Posts such as yours confirm that the left has lost it big time… Such -witty- repartee, I am left flabbergasted. That doesn’t seem too dificult to do when it comes to you. Just a few facts and you get flabbergasted. What is next, a resounding "Oh yeah! Says you !" As opposed to your labeling people and name calling?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election… Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office…. Posts such as yours confirm that the left has lost it big time… Such -witty- repartee, I am left flabbergasted. You don’t deal with reality, so why in the fuck should anyone take you seriously?
Oh My… now we are resorting to baseless ad hominem. Lets see, to follow the -depths- of your incredible logic. "Your ugly, and your breath stinks too!" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election… Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office…. No no no…The fascist Al Gore lost. Suuuuuure.. It was Al Gore that over-rode the constitutional separation of church and state, with an edict…
There is no constitutional separation of Church and state. If their were, Jesus, refered to as our Lord, would not have been put in the Constitution itself. And legal principles like ‘dies non;’ would not exist. Dies Non is about how Sunday, the Christian Sabbath cannot be used for the service of legal process, the return of writs, or other judicial purposes. In fact, in our country…. executive departments and the public establishments, are all closed on Sundays; …neither House of Congress sits. As to what else you’re sqwauking about… who knows but you. And it was Al Gore that disregarded the Constitutional protection of American Citizens from unreasonable search and seizure..
No, he was toobusy trying to disarm us all an crushing the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. And, it was Al Gore that decided that Habeas Corpus should be abolished.
Rhetoric. No citizen is denied the ability to file a writ. And it was Al Gore that tried to create an amendment to the US Constitution to -take away- rights of the Citizens….
Gays have the same rights as I do in that department. Marriage is a union between man and women and takes its traditions from Religion. Specifically the Judeo Christian Ethic. I can’t marry a man either. And frankly…70+ % of American’s oppose gay marriage for the reason I state above. Showing you and those like you are on the fringe. Uh-huh. Suuuuure.
The first thing you said that makes any sense. Glad you agree with me. And I guess this quote is from Al Gore, as well: "I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don’t agree with each other, but that’s OK. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator," Bush joked. — CNN.com, December 18, 2000
The same Al Gore who’s President had a person arrested for telling him that he sucks? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As in 2000, Gov. Jeb Bush’s private secret police are busy as hell these days, trying to frighten and bully black voters in Florida from voting in November’s presidential election. Have Americans really become so weak, so cowardly, so resigned to being slaves in their own country that they’ll stand for this? It’s ironic as hell, isn’t it? Ask any true-blue American about the country’s famous obsession with firearms and you’ll get a lecture about how the Founding Fathers feared government tyranny above all else and were convinced that an armed populace was the best defence against the government falling into the hands of a dictatorial, undemocratic cabal that wants to suppress Americans’ constitutional rights. Here we are, a little over 200 years later. The American government has indeed fallen into the hands of an unelected, undemocratic cabal of Texas goons who are working overtime to suppress Americans’ constitutional rights (as well as destroy the economy, wage illegal war for bogus reasons, lie to their constituents, govern for private gain rather than the public good and turn the nation into an international pariah). There’s no sign of the guns, however. Those so-called guarantors of Americans’ freedoms remain locked in their cabinets and safes, well-oiled and presumably ready to deal death to their owners’ real perceived enemies — those four-footed, furry terrorists that lurk in the country’s forests and on its plains, plotting their next attack on those brave, courageous, fearless lovers of liberty. The Founding Fathers were wrong. Americans — now grown morbidly obese on McDonald’s burgers and connected to the world only through their television sets — are a zillion miles from being able to take back their country, and too fucking dumb to even know that they should. How pathetic is this? Some people just don’t deserve freedom. Some do but have it stolen from them. And then you have Americans, who pissed theirs away for a Big Mac and an episode of Survivor. === Suppress the Vote? By BOB HERBERT New York Times Published: August 16, 2004 The big story out of Florida over the weekend was the tragic devastation caused by Hurricane Charley. But there’s another story from Florida that deserves our attention. State police officers have gone into the homes of elderly black voters in Orlando and interrogated them as part of an odd "investigation" that has frightened many voters, intimidated elderly volunteers and thrown a chill over efforts to get out the black vote in November. The officers, from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which reports to Gov. Jeb Bush, say they are investigating allegations of voter fraud that came up during the Orlando mayoral election in March. Officials refused to discuss details of the investigation, other than to say that absentee ballots are involved. They said they had no idea when the investigation might end, and acknowledged that it may continue right through the presidential election. "We did a preliminary inquiry into those allegations and then we concluded that there was enough evidence to follow through with a full criminal investigation," said Geo Morales, a spokesman for the Department of Law Enforcement. The state police officers, armed and in plain clothes, have questioned dozens of voters in their homes. Some of those questioned have been volunteers in get-out-the-vote campaigns. I asked Mr. Morales in a telephone conversation to tell me what criminal activity had taken place. "I can’t talk about that," he said. I asked if all the people interrogated were black. "Well, mainly it was a black neighborhood we were looking at – yes,” he said. He also said, "Most of them were elderly." When I asked why, he said, "That’s just the people we selected out of a random sample to interview." Back in the bad old days, some decades ago, when Southern whites used every imaginable form of chicanery to prevent blacks from voting, blacks often fought back by creating voters leagues, which were organizations that helped to register, educate and encourage black voters. It became a tradition that continues in many places, including Florida, today. Not surprisingly, many of the elderly black voters who found themselves face to face with state police officers in Orlando are members of the Orlando League of Voters, which has been very successful in mobilizing the city’s black vote. The president of the Orlando League of Voters is Ezzie Thomas, who is 73 years old. With his demonstrated ability to deliver the black vote in Orlando, Mr. Thomas is a tempting target for supporters of George W. Bush in a state in which the black vote may well spell the difference between victory and defeat. The vile smell of voter suppression is all over this so-called investigation by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Joseph Egan, an Orlando lawyer who represents Mr. Thomas, said: "The Voters League has workers who go into the community to do voter registration, drive people to the polls and help with absentee ballots. They are elderly women mostly. They get paid like $100 for four or five months’ work, just to offset things like the cost of their gas. They see this political activity as an important contribution to their community. Some of the people in the community had never cast a ballot until the league came to their door and encouraged them to vote." Now, said Mr. Egan, the fear generated by state police officers going into people’s homes as part of an ongoing criminal investigation related to voting is threatening to undo much of the good work of the league. He said, "One woman asked me, ‘Am I going to go to jail now because I voted by absentee ballot?’ " According to Mr. Egan, "People who have voted by absentee ballot for years are refusing to allow campaign workers to come to their homes. And volunteers who have participated for years in assisting people, particularly the elderly or handicapped, are scared and don’t want to risk a criminal investigation."
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Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election… Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office….
Posts such as yours confirm that the left has lost it big time…
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Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election… Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office…. Posts such as yours confirm that the left has lost it big time…
Such -witty- repartee, I am left flabbergasted. What is next, a resounding "Oh yeah! Says you !" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election… Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office…. Posts such as yours confirm that the left has lost it big time… Such -witty- repartee, I am left flabbergasted.
You don’t deal with reality, so why in the fuck should anyone take you seriously?
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Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election… Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office…. :P
No no no…The fascist Al Gore lost. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As in 2000, Gov. Jeb Bush’s private secret police are busy as hell these days, trying to frighten and bully black voters in Florida from voting in November’s presidential election. Have Americans really become so weak, so cowardly, so resigned to being slaves in their own country that they’ll stand for this? It’s ironic as hell, isn’t it? Ask any true-blue American about the country’s famous obsession with firearms and you’ll get a lecture about how the Founding Fathers feared government tyranny above all else and were convinced that an armed populace was the best defence against the government falling into the hands of a dictatorial, undemocratic cabal that wants to suppress Americans’ constitutional rights. Here we are, a little over 200 years later. The American government has indeed fallen into the hands of an unelected, undemocratic cabal of Texas goons who are working overtime to suppress Americans’ constitutional rights (as well as destroy the economy, wage illegal war for bogus reasons, lie to their constituents, govern for private gain rather than the public good and turn the nation into an international pariah). There’s no sign of the guns, however. Those so-called guarantors of Americans’ freedoms remain locked in their cabinets and safes, well-oiled and presumably ready to deal death to their owners’ real perceived enemies — those four-footed, furry terrorists that lurk in the country’s forests and on its plains, plotting their next attack on those brave, courageous, fearless lovers of liberty. The Founding Fathers were wrong. Americans — now grown morbidly obese on McDonald’s burgers and connected to the world only through their television sets — are a zillion miles from being able to take back their country, and too fucking dumb to even know that they should. How pathetic is this? Some people just don’t deserve freedom. Some do but have it stolen from them. And then you have Americans, who pissed theirs away for a Big Mac and an episode of Survivor. === Suppress the Vote? By BOB HERBERT New York Times Published: August 16, 2004 The big story out of Florida over the weekend was the tragic devastation caused by Hurricane Charley. But there’s another story from Florida that deserves our attention. State police officers have gone into the homes of elderly black voters in Orlando and interrogated them as part of an odd "investigation" that has frightened many voters, intimidated elderly volunteers and thrown a chill over efforts to get out the black vote in November. The officers, from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which reports to Gov. Jeb Bush, say they are investigating allegations of voter fraud that came up during the Orlando mayoral election in March. Officials refused to discuss details of the investigation, other than to say that absentee ballots are involved. They said they had no idea when the investigation might end, and acknowledged that it may continue right through the presidential election. "We did a preliminary inquiry into those allegations and then we concluded that there was enough evidence to follow through with a full criminal investigation," said Geo Morales, a spokesman for the Department of Law Enforcement. The state police officers, armed and in plain clothes, have questioned dozens of voters in their homes. Some of those questioned have been volunteers in get-out-the-vote campaigns. I asked Mr. Morales in a telephone conversation to tell me what criminal activity had taken place. "I can’t talk about that," he said. I asked if all the people interrogated were black. "Well, mainly it was a black neighborhood we were looking at – yes,” he said. He also said, "Most of them were elderly." When I asked why, he said, "That’s just the people we selected out of a random sample to interview." Back in the bad old days, some decades ago, when Southern whites used every imaginable form of chicanery to prevent blacks from voting, blacks often fought back by creating voters leagues, which were organizations that helped to register, educate and encourage black voters. It became a tradition that continues in many places, including Florida, today. Not surprisingly, many of the elderly black voters who found themselves face to face with state police officers in Orlando are members of the Orlando League of Voters, which has been very successful in mobilizing the city’s black vote. The president of the Orlando League of Voters is Ezzie Thomas, who is 73 years old. With his demonstrated ability to deliver the black vote in Orlando, Mr. Thomas is a tempting target for supporters of George W. Bush in a state in which the black vote may well spell the difference between victory and defeat. The vile smell of voter suppression is all over this so-called investigation by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Joseph Egan, an Orlando lawyer who represents Mr. Thomas, said: "The Voters League has workers who go into the community to do voter registration, drive people to the polls and help with absentee ballots. They are elderly women mostly. They get paid like $100 for four or five months’ work, just to offset things like the cost of their gas. They see this political activity as an important contribution to their community. Some of the people in the community had never cast a ballot until the league came to their door and encouraged them to vote." Now, said Mr. Egan, the fear generated by state police officers going into people’s homes as part of an ongoing criminal investigation related to voting is threatening to undo much of the good work of the league. He said, "One woman asked me, ‘Am I going to go to jail now because I voted by absentee ballot?’ " According to Mr. Egan, "People who have voted by absentee ballot for years are refusing to allow campaign workers to come to their homes. And volunteers who have participated for years in assisting people, particularly the elderly or handicapped, are scared and don’t want to risk a criminal investigation." Florida is a state that’s very much in play in the presidential election, with some polls showing John Kerry in the lead. A heavy-handed state police investigation that throws a blanket of fear over thousands of black voters can only help President Bush. The long and ugly tradition of suppressing the black vote is alive and thriving in the Sunshine State. ===
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Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated. I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election…
Well -of course-, silly. -No one- can accept that we -intentionally- put a fascist in office…. :P – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As in 2000, Gov. Jeb Bush’s private secret police are busy as hell these days, trying to frighten and bully black voters in Florida from voting in November’s presidential election. Have Americans really become so weak, so cowardly, so resigned to being slaves in their own country that they’ll stand for this? It’s ironic as hell, isn’t it? Ask any true-blue American about the country’s famous obsession with firearms and you’ll get a lecture about how the Founding Fathers feared government tyranny above all else and were convinced that an armed populace was the best defence against the government falling into the hands of a dictatorial, undemocratic cabal that wants to suppress Americans’ constitutional rights. Here we are, a little over 200 years later. The American government has indeed fallen into the hands of an unelected, undemocratic cabal of Texas goons who are working overtime to suppress Americans’ constitutional rights (as well as destroy the economy, wage illegal war for bogus reasons, lie to their constituents, govern for private gain rather than the public good and turn the nation into an international pariah). There’s no sign of the guns, however. Those so-called guarantors of Americans’ freedoms remain locked in their cabinets and safes, well-oiled and presumably ready to deal death to their owners’ real perceived enemies — those four-footed, furry terrorists that lurk in the country’s forests and on its plains, plotting their next attack on those brave, courageous, fearless lovers of liberty. The Founding Fathers were wrong. Americans — now grown morbidly obese on McDonald’s burgers and connected to the world only through their television sets — are a zillion miles from being able to take back their country, and too fucking dumb to even know that they should. How pathetic is this? Some people just don’t deserve freedom. Some do but have it stolen from them. And then you have Americans, who pissed theirs away for a Big Mac and an episode of Survivor. === Suppress the Vote? By BOB HERBERT New York Times Published: August 16, 2004 The big story out of Florida over the weekend was the tragic devastation caused by Hurricane Charley. But there’s another story from Florida that deserves our attention. State police officers have gone into the homes of elderly black voters in Orlando and interrogated them as part of an odd "investigation" that has frightened many voters, intimidated elderly volunteers and thrown a chill over efforts to get out the black vote in November. The officers, from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which reports to Gov. Jeb Bush, say they are investigating allegations of voter fraud that came up during the Orlando mayoral election in March. Officials refused to discuss details of the investigation, other than to say that absentee ballots are involved. They said they had no idea when the investigation might end, and acknowledged that it may continue right through the presidential election. "We did a preliminary inquiry into those allegations and then we concluded that there was enough evidence to follow through with a full criminal investigation," said Geo Morales, a spokesman for the Department of Law Enforcement. The state police officers, armed and in plain clothes, have questioned dozens of voters in their homes. Some of those questioned have been volunteers in get-out-the-vote campaigns. I asked Mr. Morales in a telephone conversation to tell me what criminal activity had taken place. "I can’t talk about that," he said. I asked if all the people interrogated were black. "Well, mainly it was a black neighborhood we were looking at – yes,” he said. He also said, "Most of them were elderly." When I asked why, he said, "That’s just the people we selected out of a random sample to interview." Back in the bad old days, some decades ago, when Southern whites used every imaginable form of chicanery to prevent blacks from voting, blacks often fought back by creating voters leagues, which were organizations that helped to register, educate and encourage black voters. It became a tradition that continues in many places, including Florida, today. Not surprisingly, many of the elderly black voters who found themselves face to face with state police officers in Orlando are members of the Orlando League of Voters, which has been very successful in mobilizing the city’s black vote. The president of the Orlando League of Voters is Ezzie Thomas, who is 73 years old. With his demonstrated ability to deliver the black vote in Orlando, Mr. Thomas is a tempting target for supporters of George W. Bush in a state in which the black vote may well spell the difference between victory and defeat. The vile smell of voter suppression is all over this so-called investigation by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Joseph Egan, an Orlando lawyer who represents Mr. Thomas, said: "The Voters League has workers who go into the community to do voter registration, drive people to the polls and help with absentee ballots. They are elderly women mostly. They get paid like $100 for four or five months’ work, just to offset things like the cost of their gas. They see this political activity as an important contribution to their community. Some of the people in the community had never cast a ballot until the league came to their door and encouraged them to vote." Now, said Mr. Egan, the fear generated by state police officers going into people’s homes as part of an ongoing criminal investigation related to voting is threatening to undo much of the good work of the league. He said, "One woman asked me, ‘Am I going to go to jail now because I voted by absentee ballot?’ " According to Mr. Egan, "People who have voted by absentee ballot for years are refusing to allow campaign workers to come to their homes. And volunteers who have participated for years in assisting people, particularly the elderly or handicapped, are scared and don’t want to risk a criminal investigation." Florida is a state that’s very much in play in the presidential election, with some polls showing John Kerry in the lead. A heavy-handed state police investigation that throws a blanket of fear over thousands of black voters can only help President Bush. The long and ugly tradition of suppressing the black vote is alive and thriving in the Sunshine State. ===
Response:
As in 2000, Gov. Jeb Bush’s private secret police are busy as hell these days, trying to frighten and bully black voters in Florida from voting in November’s presidential election.
No, the NYT and the rest of the whiny-whiny liberal crybabies are still looking for excuses as to why they lost the election in 2000. End of story.
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Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated.
I see the Dems are still looking for an excuse as to why they lost the 2000 election… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As in 2000, Gov. Jeb Bush’s private secret police are busy as hell these days, trying to frighten and bully black voters in Florida from voting in November’s presidential election. Have Americans really become so weak, so cowardly, so resigned to being slaves in their own country that they’ll stand for this? It’s ironic as hell, isn’t it? Ask any true-blue American about the country’s famous obsession with firearms and you’ll get a lecture about how the Founding Fathers feared government tyranny above all else and were convinced that an armed populace was the best defence against the government falling into the hands of a dictatorial, undemocratic cabal that wants to suppress Americans’ constitutional rights. Here we are, a little over 200 years later. The American government has indeed fallen into the hands of an unelected, undemocratic cabal of Texas goons who are working overtime to suppress Americans’ constitutional rights (as well as destroy the economy, wage illegal war for bogus reasons, lie to their constituents, govern for private gain rather than the public good and turn the nation into an international pariah). There’s no sign of the guns, however. Those so-called guarantors of Americans’ freedoms remain locked in their cabinets and safes, well-oiled and presumably ready to deal death to their owners’ real perceived enemies — those four-footed, furry terrorists that lurk in the country’s forests and on its plains, plotting their next attack on those brave, courageous, fearless lovers of liberty. The Founding Fathers were wrong. Americans — now grown morbidly obese on McDonald’s burgers and connected to the world only through their television sets — are a zillion miles from being able to take back their country, and too fucking dumb to even know that they should. How pathetic is this? Some people just don’t deserve freedom. Some do but have it stolen from them. And then you have Americans, who pissed theirs away for a Big Mac and an episode of Survivor. === Suppress the Vote? By BOB HERBERT New York Times Published: August 16, 2004 The big story out of Florida over the weekend was the tragic devastation caused by Hurricane Charley. But there’s another story from Florida that deserves our attention. State police officers have gone into the homes of elderly black voters in Orlando and interrogated them as part of an odd "investigation" that has frightened many voters, intimidated elderly volunteers and thrown a chill over efforts to get out the black vote in November. The officers, from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which reports to Gov. Jeb Bush, say they are investigating allegations of voter fraud that came up during the Orlando mayoral election in March. Officials refused to discuss details of the investigation, other than to say that absentee ballots are involved. They said they had no idea when the investigation might end, and acknowledged that it may continue right through the presidential election. "We did a preliminary inquiry into those allegations and then we concluded that there was enough evidence to follow through with a full criminal investigation," said Geo Morales, a spokesman for the Department of Law Enforcement. The state police officers, armed and in plain clothes, have questioned dozens of voters in their homes. Some of those questioned have been volunteers in get-out-the-vote campaigns. I asked Mr. Morales in a telephone conversation to tell me what criminal activity had taken place. "I can’t talk about that," he said. I asked if all the people interrogated were black. "Well, mainly it was a black neighborhood we were looking at – yes,” he said. He also said, "Most of them were elderly." When I asked why, he said, "That’s just the people we selected out of a random sample to interview." Back in the bad old days, some decades ago, when Southern whites used every imaginable form of chicanery to prevent blacks from voting, blacks often fought back by creating voters leagues, which were organizations that helped to register, educate and encourage black voters. It became a tradition that continues in many places, including Florida, today. Not surprisingly, many of the elderly black voters who found themselves face to face with state police officers in Orlando are members of the Orlando League of Voters, which has been very successful in mobilizing the city’s black vote. The president of the Orlando League of Voters is Ezzie Thomas, who is 73 years old. With his demonstrated ability to deliver the black vote in Orlando, Mr. Thomas is a tempting target for supporters of George W. Bush in a state in which the black vote may well spell the difference between victory and defeat. The vile smell of voter suppression is all over this so-called investigation by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Joseph Egan, an Orlando lawyer who represents Mr. Thomas, said: "The Voters League has workers who go into the community to do voter registration, drive people to the polls and help with absentee ballots. They are elderly women mostly. They get paid like $100 for four or five months’ work, just to offset things like the cost of their gas. They see this political activity as an important contribution to their community. Some of the people in the community had never cast a ballot until the league came to their door and encouraged them to vote." Now, said Mr. Egan, the fear generated by state police officers going into people’s homes as part of an ongoing criminal investigation related to voting is threatening to undo much of the good work of the league. He said, "One woman asked me, ‘Am I going to go to jail now because I voted by absentee ballot?’ " According to Mr. Egan, "People who have voted by absentee ballot for years are refusing to allow campaign workers to come to their homes. And volunteers who have participated for years in assisting people, particularly the elderly or handicapped, are scared and don’t want to risk a criminal investigation." Florida is a state that’s very much in play in the presidential election, with some polls showing John Kerry in the lead. A heavy-handed state police investigation that throws a blanket of fear over thousands of black voters can only help President Bush. The long and ugly tradition of suppressing the black vote is alive and thriving in the Sunshine State. ===
Response:
Utterly ridiculous and unsubstantiated.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As in 2000, Gov. Jeb Bush’s private secret police are busy as hell these days, trying to frighten and bully black voters in Florida from voting in November’s presidential election. Have Americans really become so weak, so cowardly, so resigned to being slaves in their own country that they’ll stand for this? It’s ironic as hell, isn’t it? Ask any true-blue American about the country’s famous obsession with firearms and you’ll get a lecture about how the Founding Fathers feared government tyranny above all else and were convinced that an armed populace was the best defence against the government falling into the hands of a dictatorial, undemocratic cabal that wants to suppress Americans’ constitutional rights. Here we are, a little over 200 years later. The American government has indeed fallen into the hands of an unelected, undemocratic cabal of Texas goons who are working overtime to suppress Americans’ constitutional rights (as well as destroy the economy, wage illegal war for bogus reasons, lie to their constituents, govern for private gain rather than the public good and turn the nation into an international pariah). There’s no sign of the guns, however. Those so-called guarantors of Americans’ freedoms remain locked in their cabinets and safes, well-oiled and presumably ready to deal death to their owners’ real perceived enemies — those four-footed, furry terrorists that lurk in the country’s forests and on its plains, plotting their next attack on those brave, courageous, fearless lovers of liberty. The Founding Fathers were wrong. Americans — now grown morbidly obese on McDonald’s burgers and connected to the world only through their television sets — are a zillion miles from being able to take back their country, and too fucking dumb to even know that they should. How pathetic is this? Some people just don’t deserve freedom. Some do but have it stolen from them. And then you have Americans, who pissed theirs away for a Big Mac and an episode of Survivor. === Suppress the Vote? By BOB HERBERT New York Times Published: August 16, 2004 The big story out of Florida over the weekend was the tragic devastation caused by Hurricane Charley. But there’s another story from Florida that deserves our attention. State police officers have gone into the homes of elderly black voters in Orlando and interrogated them as part of an odd "investigation" that has frightened many voters, intimidated elderly volunteers and thrown a chill over efforts to get out the black vote in November. The officers, from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which reports to Gov. Jeb Bush, say they are investigating allegations of voter fraud that came up during the Orlando mayoral election in March. Officials refused to discuss details of the investigation, other than to say that absentee ballots are involved. They said they had no idea when the investigation might end, and acknowledged that it may continue right through the presidential election. "We did a preliminary inquiry into those allegations and then we concluded that there was enough evidence to follow through with a full criminal investigation," said Geo Morales, a spokesman for the Department of Law Enforcement. The state police officers, armed and in plain clothes, have questioned dozens of voters in their homes. Some of those questioned have been volunteers in get-out-the-vote campaigns. I asked Mr. Morales in a telephone conversation to tell me what criminal activity had taken place. "I can’t talk about that," he said. I asked if all the people interrogated were black. "Well, mainly it was a black neighborhood we were looking at – yes,” he said. He also said, "Most of them were elderly." When I asked why, he said, "That’s just the people we selected out of a random sample to interview." Back in the bad old days, some decades ago, when Southern whites used every imaginable form of chicanery to prevent blacks from voting, blacks often fought back by creating voters leagues, which were organizations that helped to register, educate and encourage black voters. It became a tradition that continues in many places, including Florida, today. Not surprisingly, many of the elderly black voters who found themselves face to face with state police officers in Orlando are members of the Orlando League of Voters, which has been very successful in mobilizing the city’s black vote. The president of the Orlando League of Voters is Ezzie Thomas, who is 73 years old. With his demonstrated ability to deliver the black vote in Orlando, Mr. Thomas is a tempting target for supporters of George W. Bush in a state in which the black vote may well spell the difference between victory and defeat. The vile smell of voter suppression is all over this so-called investigation by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Joseph Egan, an Orlando lawyer who represents Mr. Thomas, said: "The Voters League has workers who go into the community to do voter registration, drive people to the polls and help with absentee ballots. They are elderly women mostly. They get paid like $100 for four or five months’ work, just to offset things like the cost of their gas. They see this political activity as an important contribution to their community. Some of the people in the community had never cast a ballot until the league came to their door and encouraged them to vote." Now, said Mr. Egan, the fear generated by state police officers going into people’s homes as part of an ongoing criminal investigation related to voting is threatening to undo much of the good work of the league. He said, "One woman asked me, ‘Am I going to go to jail now because I voted by absentee ballot?’ " According to Mr. Egan, "People who have voted by absentee ballot for years are refusing to allow campaign workers to come to their homes. And volunteers who have participated for years in assisting people, particularly the elderly or handicapped, are scared and don’t want to risk a criminal investigation." Florida is a state that’s very much in play in the presidential election, with some polls showing John Kerry in the lead. A heavy-handed state police investigation that throws a blanket of fear over thousands of black voters can only help President Bush. The long and ugly tradition of suppressing the black vote is alive and thriving in the Sunshine State. ===
Response:
As in 2000, Gov. Jeb Bush’s private secret police are busy as hell these days, trying to frighten and bully black voters in Florida from voting in November’s presidential election. Have Americans really become so weak, so cowardly, so resigned to being slaves in their own country that they’ll stand for this? It’s ironic as hell, isn’t it? Ask any true-blue American about the country’s famous obsession with firearms and you’ll get a lecture about how the Founding Fathers feared government tyranny above all else and were convinced that an armed populace was the best defence against the government falling into the hands of a dictatorial, undemocratic cabal that wants to suppress Americans’ constitutional rights. Here we are, a little over 200 years later. The American government has indeed fallen into the hands of an unelected, undemocratic cabal of Texas goons who are working overtime to suppress Americans’ constitutional rights (as well as destroy the economy, wage illegal war for bogus reasons, lie to their constituents, govern for private gain rather than the public good and turn the nation into an international pariah). There’s no sign of the guns, however. Those so-called guarantors of Americans’ freedoms remain locked in their cabinets and safes, well-oiled and presumably ready to deal death to their owners’ real perceived enemies — those four-footed, furry terrorists that lurk in the country’s forests and on its plains, plotting their next attack on those brave, courageous, fearless lovers of liberty. The Founding Fathers were wrong. Americans — now grown morbidly obese on McDonald’s burgers and connected to the world only through their television sets — are a zillion miles from being able to take back their country, and too fucking dumb to even know that they should. How pathetic is this? Some people just don’t deserve freedom. Some do but have it stolen from them. And then you have Americans, who pissed theirs away for a Big Mac and an episode of Survivor. === Suppress the Vote? By BOB HERBERT New York Times Published: August 16, 2004 The big story out of Florida over the weekend was the tragic devastation caused by Hurricane Charley. But there’s another story from Florida that deserves our attention. State police officers have gone into the homes of elderly black voters in Orlando and interrogated them as part of an odd "investigation" that has frightened many voters, intimidated elderly volunteers and thrown a chill over efforts to get out the black vote in November. The officers, from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which reports to Gov. Jeb Bush, say they are investigating allegations of voter fraud that came up during the Orlando mayoral election in March. Officials refused to discuss details of the investigation, other than to say that absentee ballots are involved. They said they had no idea when the investigation might end, and acknowledged that it may continue right through the presidential election. "We did a preliminary inquiry into those allegations and then we concluded that there was enough evidence to follow through with a full criminal investigation," said Geo Morales, a spokesman for the Department of Law Enforcement. The state police officers, armed and in plain clothes, have questioned dozens of voters in their homes. Some of those questioned have been volunteers in get-out-the-vote campaigns. I asked Mr. Morales in a telephone conversation to tell me what criminal activity had taken place. "I can’t talk about that," he said. I asked if all the people interrogated were black. "Well, mainly it was a black neighborhood we were looking at – yes,” he said. He also said, "Most of them were elderly." When I asked why, he said, "That’s just the people we selected out of a random sample to interview." Back in the bad old days, some decades ago, when Southern whites used every imaginable form of chicanery to prevent blacks from voting, blacks often fought back by creating voters leagues, which were organizations that helped to register, educate and encourage black voters. It became a tradition that continues in many places, including Florida, today. Not surprisingly, many of the elderly black voters who found themselves face to face with state police officers in Orlando are members of the Orlando League of Voters, which has been very successful in mobilizing the city’s black vote. The president of the Orlando League of Voters is Ezzie Thomas, who is 73 years old. With his demonstrated ability to deliver the black vote in Orlando, Mr. Thomas is a tempting target for supporters of George W. Bush in a state in which the black vote may well spell the difference between victory and defeat. The vile smell of voter suppression is all over this so-called investigation by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Joseph Egan, an Orlando lawyer who represents Mr. Thomas, said: "The Voters League has workers who go into the community to do voter registration, drive people to the polls and help with absentee ballots. They are elderly women mostly. They get paid like $100 for four or five months’ work, just to offset things like the cost of their gas. They see this political activity as an important contribution to their community. Some of the people in the community had never cast a ballot until the league came to their door and encouraged them to vote." Now, said Mr. Egan, the fear generated by state police officers going into people’s homes as part of an ongoing criminal investigation related to voting is threatening to undo much of the good work of the league. He said, "One woman asked me, ‘Am I going to go to jail now because I voted by absentee ballot?’ " According to Mr. Egan, "People who have voted by absentee ballot for years are refusing to allow campaign workers to come to their homes. And volunteers who have participated for years in assisting people, particularly the elderly or handicapped, are scared and don’t want to risk a criminal investigation." Florida is a state that’s very much in play in the presidential election, with some polls showing John Kerry in the lead. A heavy-handed state police investigation that throws a blanket of fear over thousands of black voters can only help President Bush. The long and ugly tradition of suppressing the black vote is alive and thriving in the Sunshine State. ===
Response:
Gold standard! You have to be kidding! US has been off gold standrad for 100 years or more! So what. There’s no inflation. Better think of some better excuses to hate Western society. Thats just it, he hates western society because its better than his society. Call the average American worker a slave? That is laughable. If it makes me a slave because my hard earned dollar is not backed by anything, then I am proud to be an American slave, because I can buy all kinds of wonderful things with this so called dollar that you think is worthless. By the way, I bet the "slaves" in the countries listed above can’t afford things like cars and nice homes and etc. Oh thats right, maybe its because they don’t get paid, maybe they just get beaten. 
You are entitled to your opinion, obviously, but I disagree. I am an