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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Shez: I noticed the Wicca thingy popped up again in your post. Being Fam Trad…old Fam Trad….perhaps it would cause a bit less, or perhaps more confusion for the Wiccans and others, if you and I–perhaps others–would begin to use the Indo-European root "Wyche." It dispersed into several languages and variations, then ended in two of the most popular around here, Wicca and Witch. Even the Keltoi and Druids used the word, but with a different emphasis, though the trees were a large part of their Holy Magick. Yes…When next asked, I shall say 13th generation Wyche. Then we can start several more threads about the differences between Witchcraft, Wicca, and the Magick Practitioners of Wyche, Who are called Wyche. <BG Terry
I am not realy bothered about what people call me or think I am terry, to me I am a magick user, a crafts person. witch for me still carrys the taint of abuse, and death. perhaps because I am old enough to have lived when being called a witch was tatamount to being insane and you were treated much the same way. it seems these days witch is a name that is used by those who feel its an exiting and wonderfully rebeliouse title, I dont feel that way about it, I am happy being a craftlady, or a magick user. witch has to many bad memories for me. — The ‘Old Craft’ lady http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/shez/
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Julia Simon Hypp"a"aj"at"ar Sprachen-Freak vom Dienst
"Freak"? is that legit or is it Neudeustch? 
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Shez: Yes…When next asked, I shall say 13th generation Wyche. Then we can start several more threads about the differences between Witchcraft, Wicca, and the Magick Practitioners of Wyche, Who are called Wyche. <BG Terry I am not realy bothered about what people call me or think I am terry, to me I am a magick user, a crafts person. witch for me still carrys the taint of abuse, and death. perhaps because I am old enough to have lived when being called a witch was tatamount to being insane and you were treated much the same way. it seems these days witch is a name that is used by those who feel its an exiting and wonderfully rebeliouse title, I dont feel that way about it, I am happy being a craftlady, or a magick user. witch has to many bad memories for me. —
Just playing at words, Shez. There seemed to be so much hair-splitting going on, I decided to throw another hair-piece into the game. <BG Actually, depending on where I decide to go for the research I can give scholarly cites that contradict each other on the Witch, Wicca, etc. threads that constantly form on ARW. However, another "word" person has surfaced because of the post. That always makes me happy. Terry
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Hello!
: Merry Meet : Not a linguist, but from readings thought it was Wicce (pronounced Wi Che). I think I stumbled across this last night in one of my books when I was trying to find out some details… it was labeled "Anglo-Saxon" or "Old English" or something like that. BTW, the book in question gave a different etymology for "Wicca"/"Witch"/…: the one I already mentioned, that connects the words to *uid-, is along the lines of "witch==wise one" (lit. "someone who knows"); the one I found yesterday connects the words to something like *uik-, and that would give "witch" a meaning like "sacred" (lit. "set apart (from the profane)"). Gee, a dispute among scholars, which means yet another interesting linguistic subject for me to research… if I only had a life… 
The German (my native language) term for "witch", "Hexe", goes back to a word meaning something like "a demon who lives in hedges". I think I like "wise" or "sacred" better, even though I’m not Wiccan… <sheepish grin CU, Julia 
(lost in a pile of dictionaries) — Julia Simon Hypp"a"aj"at"ar Sprachen-Freak vom Dienst snailmail: Akanapolku 2 L 401, 01370 Vantaa, Finland homepage: http://www.lingsoft.fi/~simon Where linguists gather, madness abounds ( – the story of my life)
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I am not realy bothered about what people call me or think I am terry, to me I am a magick user, a crafts person. witch for me still carrys the taint of abuse, and death. perhaps because I am old enough to have lived when being called a witch was tatamount to being insane and you were treated much the same way. it seems these days witch is a name that is used by those who feel its an exiting and wonderfully rebeliouse title, I dont feel that way about it, I am happy being a craftlady, or a magick user. witch has to many bad memories for me. — The ‘Old Craft’ lady http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/shez/
Can a name ever be correct if it results in misleading? For most non-pagans the term, "witch", is so heavily connected with evil legends that I, personally, do not think that it will ever totally overcome this image. Even referring to it as "Wicca", is not much of an improvement, because explaining the term nearly always ends up as referring as, "modern witchcraft". I was heavily influenced in my beliefs by the writings of Stewart Farrar and so feel closely connected to "Wicca". I can use this reference as an appropriate description of my beliefs whilst talking to another pagan, because it describes my adherence to a God and Goddess and my respect for the various festivals. I pray to my Gods and expect to be, and am, answered. I am a magick user through the medium of my art. But I still feel unhappy with describing myself as a "witch" to non-pagans. Usually, the best I can do is to explain that I have a non-Christian belief in God. It is not perfect but, since I am not out to convert non-pagans, it works reasonably well as an explanation of my desire not to be preached to by them. So what am I? A magick using, nature worshipping, follower of non-Christian God(s)? Oak of VisThink.
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Hello! : I noticed the Wicca thingy popped up again in your post. Being Fam : Trad…old Fam Trad….perhaps it would cause a bit less, or perhaps : more confusion for the Wiccans and others, if you and I–perhaps : others–would begin to use the Indo-European root "Wyche." <nitpick "Wyche" is *not* an Indo-European root (though it is a descendant of one, AFAIK). I don’t have my books with me, so right now I have no means of finding out what the PIE root would have to be; but the PIE root I’ve seen the word "Wicca" connected with most frequently is *uid- (u with a little arc thingy – what they call "inverted breve" in Unicode – underneath), if I remember correctly. </nitpick (Just for the record, I’m not challenging your right to call yourself whatever you want; heck, I do that myself. I just want to make sure that all the non-linguists out there don’t start believing that, for example, anyone uses the characters "y" or "c" in reconstructed Indo-European roots…) CU, Julia the rabid linguist — Julia Simon Hypp"a"aj"at"ar Sprachen-Freak vom Dienst snailmail: Akanapolku 2 L 401, 01370 Vantaa, Finland homepage: http://www.lingsoft.fi/~simon Where linguists gather, madness abounds ( – the story of my life)
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Okay Malphy demon boy!!! DayaLi is the white dressed fluffy(Drew Barrymore) girl offering tea and fudge to "Two faced" (you) in "Batman and Robin" Im the girl offering you charcoaled bores head and grain alcohol straight up Baby!!! Put looks aside — Who would you rather spend the night singing to? Get it right or I will have to tie you up and spank your bare ass! I can play virginal and innocent too, I am sooo versatile… Aine
Wonder if she’s bisexual — let’s ask — no, no, back to the shadows! Assume lurker mode, quick! Wing — Trillions grow and slide, slide in all directions Won’t be nothin’ you can measure anymore The Blizzard of the world has crossed the threshold and it’s overturned the order of the soul… When they said, "Repent!" I wondered what they meant. I’ve seen the future brother, it is murder… -LEONARD COHEN-
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Okay Malphy demon boy!!! DayaLi is the white dressed fluffy(Drew Barrymore) girl offering tea and fudge to "Two faced" (you) in "Batman and Robin" Im the girl offering you charcoaled bores head and grain alcohol straight up Baby!!! Put looks aside — Who would you rather spend the night singing to? Get it right or I will have to tie you up and spank your bare ass! I can play virginal and innocent too, I am sooo versatile… Aine Wonder if she’s bisexual — let’s ask — no, no, back to the shadows! Assume lurker mode, quick!
No I’m a girl. but I have a 20 speed mountain bisexual. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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No I’m a girl. but I have a 20 speed mountain bisexual.
before! Shadowstrider Light can only be seen relative to darkness.
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It appears, and rather sadly so, that there are no WICCANS here. The "Rede" has been continually violated. So I must work under the premise, that these "WEEKINS(tm) are frauds, wannabes, and genuine seekers who may have left their brain at the door. <snip Piffle. Before one utters generalities about the behavior of an entire newsgroup during a flame war, one should also check to see which contributors have *not* entered the fray.
Baird, I was accused of violting the Rede because of the above statement. Yet I have read name calling and adolescent behavior in the group that comes from all sides in the fray. I am having trouble with the concept that my statement is "blanket". at the bottom of thepost, I do apologize to those who feltthey were wrongly included. But wouldn’t this have been better done privately? Those I blanketed WERE the ones engaging in the blather factor, I find myself marking these threads as being read because there is too much to wade through. so, no more blatehr factor. My right to throw blanket statements and other things into this group has also been questioned. If the names stung a few they stung a few. You will get over it and be stronger for the knowledge that it was just the heat of an arguement. and shouldn’t be taken toHeart. Believe me, let yourself be called ‘Christ Killer’ over the course a few years and then tell me if those names hurt. Aside from his or her introduction of him- or herself by means of the abysmal rudeness at publishing a private message in a public newsgroup (when first I got ‘Net access, private messages were relegated by general consensus to private email) I, personally, have nothing at all against Malphas. In point of fact, Malphas has redeemed him- or herself quite successfully in my eyes by the subsequent publication of articles strongly marked by what seems to me to be an innate appreciation of common sense.
My point. I am having a difficult time with the blather factor, the "I will never accept you even if you kiss my a–", this individual made an "apology" I am using quotes becuase I am not sure if it was or a statement of purpose. Yes, there is a bit arrogance to the statement. but the follow-ups – all I saw and read for the most was "Burn the infidel"(MY OPINION) Nor have I felt any irresistable urge to spring to Malphas’ defense, considering that he or she seems quite capable of attending to the matter for him- or herself. In my observation and experience, people who demonstrate this capability generally request assistance when they need it. Malphas issued no such plea – or none, at least, which reached my news server.
Malphas did not issue a plea true. But I am simply wondering why SOME refuse to acknowledge his statement. and let it lie. Speaking only for myself, however, and not by any means for any of the rather large population of arw who have similarly refrained from entering into these various, um, "discussions," I do resent being dismissed in the cavalier fashion cited above by someone whose only experience of the newsgroup has apparently been these same flame wars.
Baird. and to the rest I may have offended: I was not speaking of you. I was speaking of those individuals who can’t seem to let things go. Those who brag about rituals performed, whe n I was trained to never speak of a working, to the taunters, the ones loaded with so much baggage from what ever Xtian demonation they are lealving behind, that htey need a moving van. I was speaking to those individuals. My preferance is to "try", and sometimes I fail, at dealing with people in an honest fashion. If I screw up. Tell me. So I cna work towards amending the behavior. out of all those who read the post, only Scarlett emailed me privately. the rest have begun a thread that after this post, I will no longer answer. my response was also predicated by the apparent concept that anyone who defend Malphas HAD to be Malphas no one else would defend him otherwise. This scares me. I can’t defend somone without being accused of bEING that person? Will some one please explain the logic in this to me in a PRIVATE email. Thank you. I have invited Greywolf to discuss this in private and any others who care to join the discourse. I only ask the the displeasure currently be directed towards me here in the NG be a little lighter. or at least be more creative. Bless and don’t let the Hyenas laugh too loudly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello! : I noticed the Wicca thingy popped up again in your post. Being Fam : Trad…old Fam Trad….perhaps it would cause a bit less, or perhaps : more confusion for the Wiccans and others, if you and I–perhaps : others–would begin to use the Indo-European root "Wyche." <nitpick "Wyche" is *not* an Indo-European root (though it is a descendant of one, AFAIK). I don’t have my books with me, so right now I have no means of finding out what the PIE root would have to be; but the PIE root I’ve seen the word "Wicca" connected with most frequently is *uid- (u with a little arc thingy – what they call "inverted breve" in Unicode – underneath), if I remember correctly. </nitpick (Just for the record, I’m not challenging your right to call yourself whatever you want; heck, I do that myself. I just want to make sure that all the non-linguists out there don’t start believing that, for example, anyone uses the characters "y" or "c" in reconstructed Indo-European roots…) CU, Julia the rabid linguist —
Julia: I would like to refer you to the "Oxford English Dictionary" volume W-Z page 395 column 1, then on to 103 of the same volume . . .with your linguistic facility you should be able to follow the trail as far as you wish. Also, you might wish to refer to the American Heritage Dictionary (On CD) where Wych(e) is also attributed to an Indo-European root. There is, of course the path leading back through Wight (Wyztte), but it is soon muddied because of regional spelling crossovers. As we both know, spelling of specific words was quite variable before the advent of the printing press…Even in the 18th century the base wych being used to define a tree and a person committing forceryf and inchantmentf (Cite: Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1764-65 edition Book IV Page 60.) An interesting aside and comment on the state of politics in the USA. In the Georgia Senatorial race of 1992 the Republican candidate barely edge out the Democrat. Three days before the election a rumor was decimated by telephone and fax to thousands of voters. The rumor stated that the Democratic candidate was anti-Christian and practiced witchcraft. Below is the results of that election and the candidates’ names. Georgia Senate 1999 Paul Coverdell (R)2 634,208 Wyche Fowler Jr.* (D) 617,283 (Cite: American Politics, Down and Dirty) BTW, I also enjoy chasing words and nit-picking with other word chasers. <BG Terry
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Merry Meet Not a linguist, but from readings thought it was Wicce (pronounced Wi Che). Blessed Be – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello! <nitpick "Wyche" is *not* an Indo-European root (though it is a descendant of one, AFAIK). I don’t have my books with me, so right now I have no means of finding out what the PIE root would have to be; but the PIE root I’ve seen the word "Wicca" connected with most frequently is *uid- (u with a little arc thingy – what they call "inverted breve" in Unicode – underneath), if I remember correctly. </nitpick (Just for the record, I’m not challenging your right to call yourself whatever you want; heck, I do that myself. I just want to make sure that all the non-linguists out there don’t start believing that, for example, anyone uses the characters "y" or "c" in reconstructed Indo-European roots…) CU, Julia the rabid linguist — Julia Simon Hypp"a"aj"at"ar Sprachen-Freak vom Dienst snailmail: Akanapolku 2 L 401, 01370 Vantaa, Finland homepage: http://www.lingsoft.fi/~simon Where linguists gather, madness abounds ( – the story of my life)
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Peace be with you, DayaLi, Out of the depths of their immense wisdom, on Tue, 25 Aug 1998 Baird. and to the rest I may have offended: I was not speaking of you. I was speaking of those individuals who can’t seem to let things go. Those who brag about rituals performed, whe n I was trained to never speak of a working, to the taunters, the ones loaded with so much baggage from what ever Xtian demonation they are lealving behind, that htey need a moving van. I was speaking to those individuals. My preferance is to "try", and sometimes I fail, at dealing with people in an honest fashion. If I screw up. Tell me. So I cna work towards amending the behavior.
As open an apology as I have ever seen — not that I feel your original comments were completely unwarranted — there are some, I feel, who yelped because your words may have hit a bit close to home. Will some one please explain the logic in this to me in a PRIVATE email. Thank you.
What made you think the "jabs" headed your way were based in logic? Oh, yeah, I was a bit miffed at the original post — I assumed that you would either prove to be a troll, and I’d start ignoring you, or you would prove to be solid in your faith, and I’d keep on listening. I, fort one, am gratified to see it was the latter. Yeah, you may wish to keep the "blanket statements" under a tighter rein, but all in all, your original post was cogent (if pungent), and — as I said before — perhaps a bit close to home for some. Taliesin of Earthstar HP, Earthstar Coven Website under construction veritas <AT deskmail <DOT com WARNING: Sending unsolicited commercial e-mail to the above address enters you into the agreement that you accept a charge of $50 U.S. for proof-reading, grammar, and spelling correction. This agreement does not apply to requested information. "And so we ask for peace for the gods of our fathers, for the gods of our native land. It is reasonable that whatever each of us worships is really to be considered one and the same. We gaze up at the same stars, the sky covers us all, the same universe compasses us. What does it matter what practical systems we adopt in our search for the truth. Not by one avenue only can we arrive at so tremendous a secret." Quintus Aurelius Symmachus (A.D. c. 340-c. 402), Roman senator.
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Shez: I noticed the Wicca thingy popped up again in your post. Being Fam Trad…old Fam Trad….perhaps it would cause a bit less, or perhaps more confusion for the Wiccans and others, if you and I–perhaps others–would begin to use the Indo-European root "Wyche." It dispersed into several languages and variations, then ended in two of the most popular around here, Wicca and Witch. Even the Keltoi and Druids used the word, but with a different emphasis, though the trees were a large part of their Holy Magick. Yes…When next asked, I shall say 13th generation Wyche. Then we can start several more threads about the differences between Witchcraft, Wicca, and the Magick Practitioners of Wyche, Who are called Wyche. <BG Terry
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(Aine) writes: Okay Malphy demon boy!!! DayaLi is the white dressed fluffy(Drew Barrymore) girl offering tea and fudge to "Two faced" (you) in "Batman and Robin" Im the girl offering you charcoaled bores head and grain alcohol straight up Baby!!! Put looks aside — Who would you rather spend the night singing to? Get it right or I will have to tie you up and spank your bare ass! I can play virginal and innocent too, I am sooo versatile… Aine
HEY!!! i’m ealous again!!<g Shadowstrider Light can only be seen relative to darkness.
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<snip Sig bitch noted: I don’t give a shit if you like it or not. At least I have a means of verification and authentication. You don’t.
Why do I have this mental image of you sticking your toungue out? As you have (yet again) flailed completely off the topic addressed, this has been taken to private email, where ALL such tantrums belong. Weyland — The address in "reply to" above has been altered to reduce spam. Please use the address in my signature to reply. /^ ,___./ ,~~,~~’ ,,~|-| ,~/ |-| ,~/ |-| |-| |-| |-| _____/&_____ /—– * —– " |’| " < ‘ Weyland Greywolf |’| Armorer, Pagan, Warrior |’| http://members.xoom.com/celtic_farm |’| |’| ,8888888888888 |’| ,888888888888888888888888 ,8888888—-/88888888888888888888888888 ___/8888888888888888888888888888888888888888 888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888/greywolf
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writes It appears, and rather sadly so, that there are no WICCANS here. The "Rede" has been continually violated. So I must work under the premise, that these "WEEKINS(tm) are frauds, wannabes, and genuine seekers who may have left their brain at the door. Those that CHOOSE to let go will be the ones that the new seekers will look to. Yeah, I sounding a bit like Mal, but i am just very tired of the go round. Malphas post a remarkable piece of him Self, and ends up getting his balls nailed to the floor. Nit picking is hard to let go of.(I’m working on that mySElf) So, Mal, do have cup of tea, some cookies or here, have some fudge. and let us let these criers of "I told you so, did not" have their whine and cheese. Besides, is really worth wasting you Energy and bandwith answering them?
Their are plenty of wiccans here, perhaps they dont follow your own path, your version of wicca, but surely what being wiccan is about, is finding your own spirituality your own path ,not everyone elses. Personaly I am not wiccan but pagan. and I have found many wiccans follow their path well and with wisdome and kindness. It is not my path, but I can appreciate and respect those who do follow the wiccan way. Your using negativity to get your point across, your reacting negitively because you have found wiccans who think for themselves and dont follow your rules., why not tell people about your own path, in a positive way. and respect the fact that their path is personal to them. Their is no one true way. all paths are true for those who follow them. — The ‘Old Craft’ lady http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/shez/
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It appears, and rather sadly so, that there are no WICCANS here. Painting with a rather large brush on this one, aren’t you? Ignoring, for a moment, the fact that the very term "Wiccan" is almost as difficult to define satisfactorily as the word "Pagan"…. I find it difficult to believe that you can assess everyone posting to this group well enough to make such a judgement out of hand. One might even question if it is your place to do so to begin with,… but that probablly goes without saying.
Perhaps, I did overstate, but then I see (MY INTERPRETATION) of your statement that questions my right to make a judgement, as just another reason to ingnore ths Flame Throwers that abound. How long must I post to this group, and must I be a Wiccan? a Pagan? or is my ecletic unnamed path reason to say "shut up and sit down"? I don’t believe that is what you intended. The "Rede" has been continually violated. So I must work under the premise, that these "WEEKINS(tm) are frauds, wannabes, and genuine seekers who may have left their brain at the door.
I have waded through so much blather that I ask THOTH: WHY THE HELL DID YOU TEACH US TO WRITE? my personal definitions: frauds: those that make empty claims (even I fall into that catagory from time to time) wannabees: those that go which ever the wind is blowing. These are people who have great difficulty thinking for themselves and so rely on others for assitance. genuine seekers who have left their brain at he door: these people are just that. genuine seekers who have grown so tired of the blather factor that its easier to become part of it than killfile (Like me.) there is much to garnered from htis group. Name calling?….tsk,tsk. If your words had hurt someones feelings…. would you be in violation of the Rede?
I again say look at some post other than our favorite sin eaters. The verbal abuse i have seen in this group violate the Rede, and No. I am not a Wiccan. I follow my own Path have so since the earl ’70’s. I study, I learn, I use what works. and again, I have seen people paralyzed by the Rede. What I am sensing here is that *your* interpretation of the Rede has been violated. If that is the entire basis for the claim that there are "no Wiccans here", I would remind you that: 1. There are as many interpretations of the Rede as there are Wiccans.
True 2. Wiccans, and non-Wiccans alike, are apt to overstep themselves at times. People get caught up in the moment and do things that they otherwise might not. Its easy to get carried away… particularly in a somewhat anonymous forum such as this.
So, I ask you why did you question my right to my statement. and ratherthan make this a public flame war, which unfortunately it may become. let’s us exchange information on our views iin private and as responsible adults. Hardly grounds for excommunication from the Wiccan faith.
I didn’t know you could be excommunicated. Those that CHOOSE to let go will be the ones that the new seekers will look to. Yeah, I sounding a bit like Mal, but i am just very tired of the go round. DayaLi, I am with you 100% on that one. I too, feel that this has gone on long enough. I agree with you on principle…. but I don’t think that your sweeping proclamation that all members of this forum, including myself, are "WEEKINS" is correct.
absolutely not. I have been overwhelmed by the blather factor. <Snip…. and wacko, nutcase "WHO AM I" posts. I quote:
these I just ignore So, Mal, do have cup of tea, some cookies or here, have some fudge. and let us let these criers of "I told you so, did not" have their whine and cheese. Besides, is really worth wasting you Energy and bandwith answering them? Complete agreement, here! In fact, I’ll be happy to bring a little Haggis to the party (just to counteract the sweetness of the fudge
Yum ;p). Bless, and let the FLAMES begin. Blessings to you, DayaLi,
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Hi Malphas, As your reply here was originally directed at me (in another thread) I will answer it here. I have snipped the majority of your post, as it misses my point entirely. Did you even *read* my post, past the first few lines? Or, do you not care about the topic so much as the opportunity to argue and feel oppressed? I have no contention with your right to free speech and independent thinking, etc.,.. I never have. Both you and I tend to be a bit verbose, so I have trimmed this down to address only the relevant portions. I include the relevant sections of your post for the benefit of those using killfilters. Weyland Greywolf, What you observed was not a flame war, but a virtual battle (semantics?).
Some folks calls it a kaiser blade…. I calls it a sling blade…. It was a clever game played out by two opponents.
Clever?… I would disagree, but continue… Neither of us (or at least I didn’t) really cared who the other was, we just had fun playing the game.
<snip Yeah… I fully understand what was going on. Bravado. Chest-thumping, and postureing at its best. I’m glad you enjoyed yourself,,, that, after all, *is* the reason for this forum. The stated pupose of ARW in the FAQ is obviously a misprint. Apparently it should read: "ARW exists so that pathetic retards can taunt each other without the risk of physical injury to their bird-like bones." My contention is not that such behavior has no merit or entertainment value, Malphas. I just feel that it is more appropriately carried out in alt.flame, or through private email. I’ve made this point before, many times… pay attention. Unless, of course, the purpose is not *really* individual sparring and testing, but instead a very public device through which to get attention….<wink, nudge… I agree that conclusions here are often based on misconception and incomplete facts. I might also be willing to concede that your intention in doing this was to "inform and enlighten"…and not to annoy and disrupt. A rather ’round-a-bout trip for information that could have simply been offered in a single, rational post, IMO, but I’ll give you the benefit of a doubt. Many watched silently and actually contacted me and are in the process of learning
<snip of long section dealing with freedom of speech, mom, apple pie, and how you can be Malphas’ pal Off topic! Wrong thread! You don’t belong here! You should leave! Yada yada yah…
I will assume by this that you do not grasp how Usenet is designed to function. Please, allow me to explain it to you: Usenet is broken into categories, or "groups", to better facilitate communication, NOT to stifle anyone’s creativity. The thousands (over 28000 of them on my newsfeed alone) of groups are divided along lines according to topics of interest, so that people can more easily access the information they want, and participate in the forums that interest them. If this were not the case, everyone would mill around in one enormously huge group that would prove impossible to follow. Most rational people seek out the groups that are *actually* discussing the topic of interest to them. They don’t post cookie recipes to alt.discordia, or reviews of movies to alt.cheese. If there *is* no group currently available covering the topic that interests you, then it is a simple matter to create your own forum. For example: alt.hey.look.at.me. , or alt.guess.who.I.am.LaMeR, or maybe even: alt.I.don’t.get.enough.attention.in.real-life That way, the many people that contact you privately in search of valuable information could feel free to express themselves publicly… without us fascist thought police getting in the way. Every day we go through life thinking, "I wish that so and so was dead or sick or whatever". We think all sorts of vile ilk towards those who cut us off on the interstate or whatever.
Not that it has anything to do with the subject, but do *you* really go through every day of *your* life wishing that someone would die, or become ill, because they cut you off on the freeway???? What a waste. Welcome to the world, people. It may not be the way you like it but it is the way that it is. It is a brand new day…
….and it is conveniently supplied with the same, tired, dinks as the old one. No one is trying to deny your freedom of expression, Malphas. You can stomp your feet and engage in empassioned retoric ’till you’re blue in the face. Sure, you might convince some people that you really *are* being repressed. You could, for example, respond to a post without quoting the relevant sections from the original as you did in this case. Then you could ramble wildly on about freedom of expression, when that was never a matter of contention to begin with. People would read your empassioned reply and think: "Damn that Greywolf…. he won’t let that nice Malphas fellow speak his mind". They would never know that most of my original post was in response to DayaLi’s claim that there were no Wiccans here. Unless, of course, they go back and read the original posting. If nothing else…. you *are* quite theatrical. De mortuis nihil nisi bene, Malphas
Bleah…. Loosen up the tin foil hat, pal. The alien mind control rays are taking the day off. Weyland- (who has grown tired of extending the hand of friendship to obvious trolls) PS. Oh,… do you think you could add a couple more pgp signatures to your posts? I’m pretty sure I overheard some government agents fervently discussing how to silence your rogue independent thoughts… — The address in "reply to" above has been altered to reduce spam. Please use the address in my signature to reply. /^ ,___./ ,~~,~~’ ,,~|-| ,~/ |-| ,~/ |-| |-| |-| |-| _____/&_____ /—– * —– " |’| " < ‘ Weyland Greywolf |’| Armorer, Pagan, Warrior |’| http://members.xoom.com/celtic_farm |’| |’| ,8888888888888 |’| ,888888888888888888888888 ,8888888—-/88888888888888888888888888 ___/8888888888888888888888888888888888888888 888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888/greywolf
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It appears, and rather sadly so, that there are no WICCANS here. The "Rede" has been continually violated.
Strange, I don’t see that much harm being afflicted. Even then, the Rede is only a guideline, a starting point for the initiate’s morality. So I must work under the premise, that these "WEEKINS(tm) are frauds, wannabes, and genuine seekers who may have left their brain at the door.
I prefer to think of this group as a place for me and others to find entertainment. Any newbies who come in with other ideas, I simply direct to other sources. Those that CHOOSE to let go will be the ones that the new seekers will look to. Yeah, I sounding a bit like Mal, but i am just very tired of the go round. Malphas post a remarkable piece of him Self, and ends up getting his balls nailed to the floor.
Malphas entered this newsgroup at a time when we’re inundated with frauds and nutcases. Many persons ASSUMED that Malphas, when he posted in Latin, was another fraud/nutcase. The actions are inexcusible but given the context they are understandible. Personally, I think Malphas is a rather welcome addition. He hasn’t made any claims he can’t back up, he’s been rather reasonable relatively speaking, and he’s posted a lot more substance than Blackbane or his friends Felix and Aine. Blessed Be, My web page is http://www.geocities.com/athens/ithaca/1256
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Okay Malphy demon boy!!! DayaLi is the white dressed fluffy(Drew Barrymore) girl offering tea and fudge to "Two faced" (you) in "Batman and Robin" Im the girl offering you charcoaled bores head and grain alcohol straight up Baby!!! Put looks aside — Who would you rather spend the night singing to? Get it right or I will have to tie you up and spank your bare ass! I can play virginal and innocent too, I am sooo versatile… Aine
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It appears, and rather sadly so, that there are no WICCANS here.
Painting with a rather large brush on this one, aren’t you? Ignoring, for a moment, the fact that the very term "Wiccan" is almost as difficult to define satisfactorily as the word "Pagan"…. I find it difficult to believe that you can assess everyone posting to this group well enough to make such a judgement out of hand. One might even question if it is your place to do so to begin with,… but that probablly goes without saying. The "Rede" has been continually violated. So I must work under the premise, that these "WEEKINS(tm) are frauds, wannabes, and genuine seekers who may have left their brain at the door.
Name calling?….tsk,tsk. If your words had hurt someones feelings…. would you be in violation of the Rede? What I am sensing here is that *your* interpretation of the Rede has been violated. If that is the entire basis for the claim that there are "no Wiccans here", I would remind you that: 1. There are as many interpretations of the Rede as there are Wiccans. 2. Wiccans, and non-Wiccans alike, are apt to overstep themselves at times. People get caught up in the moment and do things that they otherwise might not. Its easy to get carried away… particularly in a somewhat anonymous forum such as this. Hardly grounds for excommunication from the Wiccan faith. Those that CHOOSE to let go will be the ones that the new seekers will look to. Yeah, I sounding a bit like Mal, but i am just very tired of the go round.
DayaLi, I am with you 100% on that one. I too, feel that this has gone on long enough. I agree with you on principle…. but I don’t think that your sweeping proclamation that all members of this forum, including myself, are "WEEKINS" is correct. Malphas post a remarkable piece of him Self, and ends up getting his balls nailed to the floor. Nit picking is hard to let go of.(I’m working on that mySElf)
I have absolutely no problem with alot of what Malphas posts, whether I agree with the content or not. Actually, the recent post concerning PGP was particularly enjoyable. PGP is one of those things that I have been *meaning* to look into, but just never got around to I was not a participant in this group when Malphas first arrived, so I cannot comment on his, or anyone elses, behavior. All I know is what I have seen since my return to this group. That has consisted of a curious mix of usefull, thoughtful posts…. and wacko, nutcase "WHO AM I" posts. I quote: <begin segment I CALL YOUR FUCKING BLUFF!!!! PROVE IT YOU FREAK!!!! PUSSY BOY!!!! BUTT MUNCHER!!!! SAY IT BOY!!!! SAY OPENLY THAT I AM THE SHIELD WOLF AND POST YOUR FUCKING NON-EXISTANT PROOF AND BE EXPOSED FOR THE FUCKING LAMER YOU ARE!!!! De mortuis nihil nisi bene, Malphas <end segment This crap doesn’t do alot for me. During the times that Malphas chooses to post such material "en masse", I have no choice but to view him as a troll. When he returns to the more relevant postings, I modify my assessment. However, with each round of the "GUESS WHO I AM LaMer" posts…. I grow less interested in what he might have to say, even when it *is* on topic. So, Mal, do have cup of tea, some cookies or here, have some fudge. and let us let these criers of "I told you so, did not" have their whine and cheese. Besides, is really worth wasting you Energy and bandwith answering them?
Complete agreement, here! In fact, I’ll be happy to bring a little Haggis to the party (just to counteract the sweetness of the fudge ). Bless, and let the FLAMES begin.
Blessings to you, DayaLi, Weyland — The address in "reply to" above has been altered to reduce spam. Please use the address in my signature to reply. /^ ,___./ ,~~,~~’ ,,~|-| ,~/ |-| ,~/ |-| |-| |-| |-| _____/&_____ /—– * —– " |’| " < ‘ Weyland Greywolf |’| Armorer, Pagan, Warrior |’| http://members.xoom.com/celtic_farm |’| |’| ,8888888888888 |’| ,888888888888888888888888 ,8888888—-/88888888888888888888888888 ___/8888888888888888888888888888888888888888 888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888/greywolf
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It appears, and rather sadly so, that there are no WICCANS here. The "Rede" has been continually violated. So I must work under the premise, that these "WEEKINS(tm) are frauds, wannabes, and genuine seekers who may have left their brain at the door. Those that CHOOSE to let go will be the ones that the new seekers will look to. Yeah, I sounding a bit like Mal, but i am just very tired of the go round. Malphas post a remarkable piece of him Self, and ends up getting his balls nailed to the floor. Nit picking is hard to let go of.(I’m working on that mySElf) So, Mal, do have cup of tea, some cookies or here, have some fudge. and let us let these criers of "I told you so, did not" have their whine and cheese. Besides, is really worth wasting you Energy and bandwith answering them? Bless, and let the FLAMES begin. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Whats the deal? Ok, it got ugly for a while and some folks found out Mal gives at least as good as he (he by default, I’ve no idea) gets. Why don’t we want to see? He’s waved a truce flag under our noses and many continue to attack and provoke. Why? Let the past go. Malphas’ recent posts have been rational and reasonable do you realy want to fire things up again? Wisdom will show in it’s own time and way, now that the smoke’s clearing, do we realy want to be the ones to continue all this crap? Wait and see, every one deserves that much of a chance.
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Whats the deal? Ok, it got ugly for a while and some folks found out Mal gives at least as good as he (he by default, I’ve no idea) gets. Why don’t we want to see? He’s waved a truce flag under our noses and many continue to attack and provoke. Why? Let the past go. Malphas’ recent posts have been rational and reasonable do you realy want to fire things up again? Wisdom will show in it’s own time and way, now that the smoke’s clearing, do we realy want to be the ones to continue all this crap? Wait and see, every one deserves that much of a chance.
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Whats the deal? Ok, it got ugly for a while and some folks found out Mal gives at least as good as he (he by default, I’ve no idea) gets. Why don’t we want to see? He’s waved a truce flag under our noses and many continue to attack and provoke. Why? Let the past go. Malphas’ recent posts have been rational and reasonable do you realy want to fire things up again? Wisdom will show in it’s own time and way, now that the smoke’s clearing, do we realy want to be the ones to continue all this crap? Wait and see, every one deserves that much of a chance.
Thank you very much mr.smith. Pull up a chair and have some tea. Shadowstrider Light can only be seen relative to darkness
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