Christianity QA

Question:

False. Religionists do this.

I catagorize all people of faith into what you term religionists, so you will have to differentiate yourself from this group before using the term. My logic is f it looks, walks and quacks like a duck  …. then its a duck.

Response:

Sorry I digress but, did you know that you have claimed to have 1) some contact or 2) knowledge about god and also 3) "The way" to god. However have never actually presented me with anything to consider.  Then when you have been painted into a corner instead of presenting me with something you call me foolish and illogical. Am I to beleive that god by osmosis somehow allows you and all like beleivers  know whom to vote for in the election? I just got knowledge from god that I have to ignore you.

Response:

Sorry I digress but, did you know that you have claimed to have 1) some contact or 2) knowledge about god and also 3) "The way" to god. However have never actually presented me with anything to consider.  Then when you have been painted into a corner instead of presenting me with something you call me foolish and illogical.

According to what you present in your word. Am I to beleive that god by osmosis somehow allows you and all like beleivers  know whom to vote for in the election?

 A perfect example. I just got knowledge from god that I have to ignore you.

Another perfect example.  You have proved again you are foolish and illogical. Son of God The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Response:

snop of topic here but… Rather reason and logic. The size or stage of maturity of a fetus does not equate as to whether this fetus is a living human being. Such is the argument of the abortionist, which is inanity. To say a young sapling is not a tree in its early growth states is the same inanity. What the abortionist disguises is the real issue; does the abortionist have the right to murder a human being in the fetus stage of life? The question of whether the fetus is a living being is a moot point. If left alone, the fetus continues its growth into a fully developed human being, thereby proving the matter.

I think that is the crux of most of the pro-choice is that it is part of the womans body and therefore her choice. Until science can grow the fetus outside of the human body then there aint much of an argument. I actually think we are headed for a population problem on the globe and we are going to be killing a lot more people before long… but thats another thread. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Son of God The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In any given election if given a group of theists are living in the same constituency and proclaiming the same faith. If they are all praying to the same god for direction and the same spirit is anwering them, how can they end up voting for different candidates? God does not tell man to vote for fellow man to be his government. However people of various faiths do vote, perhaps your flavour of faith does not then the question is answered. The only government man should accept is self government by the principles of God, in and by  allowing the Godhead to be the head of government. Well now that sufficiently evades the question doesnt it. It conveys with extreme clarity, a principle. Evidently you cannot understand what the word conveys. Guess not, that is why there are 10,000 different sects that subscribe to your particular "word" all with greater or lesser differences. And a larger number of deluded fools who cannot utilize logic nor reason in their thinking process, as you present. Each person governs his own self by his own mind. By his will, he acts and lives. Yes,  I thought theists asked god for guidence in their daily life though. Please elaborate here I am most interested. If mankind possesses the mind created by God, he would possess the principles of God which structure life for man to live in and by willful obedience to these principles. Just because something is created does not imply that it has the qualities of the creator.  A creator can give any qualities it has the potential to give to its creation. It remains the creation of the creator. You speak of possiblities, nor specifics.

I refer back to your sentance: "the mind created by God, he would possess the principles of God " Just because something is created does not mean that it possesses the principles of the creator. The life structured by these principles is the better and greater life than the life man has created fro himself to live. What principles? If mankind possesses this mind, there would be no need for a government by law and principles legislated by a group of mankind which governs all mankind of a nation. Mankind does possess a mind, what mind are you taking about? Read and see the word "this" mind.

"This" mind you speak of, that by some mystical way people now have the mind of a god. When in fact there is no group of humanity that stands separate (except in their own mind).  Observing society and history shows us that many claim and have claimed to be devinely inspired however, upon inspection they are no different than the rest of the population. The laws of man have not worked and do not work for they are vastly inferior to the principles of God in regard to structuring a social order. What is the (for lack of a better word) governmental structrue of god? As far as I can tell it is a benevolant dictatorship. You cannot "tell." You have merely believed matters which are not true.

I am basing my conclusion on observation. Since it is the role of a leader to fundamentally improve and maintain the standard of living of the citizens. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You are still begging the question.   OK your gods government would be best if everybody adheard to your gods ways (agreed).  The reality is no god is directly running any country that I can observe it is humans that are in government. True. Please interupt me if I am out of line. Theists consult "god" on decisions they must make. Electing an official is a decision that a theist must make. False. Religionists do this. If two theists of the same beleif are conslulting the same god for their decision.   Assuming they are deciding between the same candidates. They both vote according to how god has directed them. How can they vote for different candidates? You speak of religionists and a "belief" system they have created for theirselves

I think I understand now you are an adherant of gnostisim.  As a believer you must know things or even more thant gnostics you just magically are imparted with knowledged based on your faith. Which would go a long way in explaining the difficulty in understanding… however, it does not change that if "you" vote and a like believer votes how can you reach different conclusions if the "plan" of god is to have one of the leaders in place.  Perhaps god distributes the votes so as not to reveal itself to obviously, vote rigging and conspiracy and all that ehh? I know the reason you cannot give a straight answer is it is a real situation that happens every election.  This is observed reality that does not adhere to what you want to beleive is reality.  Namely that believers can actually obtain direction from god and make decisions with a gods guidance. You have no knowledge nor understanding of the mind created by God. This mind is created and structured to be able to choose by self determination, utilizing knowledge and understanding received in the teachings from God.

It begs the question though if two people have this mind how can they vote for different candidates in an election it can be gods will that only one of the candidates wins and a beleiver would be inclided to vote for gods pick. The reality is (as u stated above) that we make decisions using our mind which is based on our paradigm and values system and not supernatural process that takes place between god and the beleiver.  That becomes self evident when you look at this example I have laid out. You do not know nor undersatnd what the "mind of Christ" is in reality.

If you could explain it then I would understand it … you merely make assertions.  The mind of god, the mind of christ, the mind created by god from your posts so far you are making matter of fact statements without any process behind this "mind".  If you explain how it works then perhaps I can understand. Appologies for this example but, If you went into a car dealership to by a car and the salesman said this is a great car it has a widgitizer that makes it different than any other car.  Well I dont know about you but if I was interested in the car I would want to know what the heck the widgitizer was at the very least. As said, every mind is a creation. The mind created by God is created by the substance of Truth which is known and understood. The contents of a mind are the substances which have come into the mind. Every mind of a child is relatively empty in regards to this substance. The substance is aquired by receiving and accepting substance from many sources. This substance is "inspired" in the mind, or "built up" in the mind. Even imagination creates substance which may be retained in the mind as "belief" in what one has imagined.

Memories… ? The mind created by God contains substance from one source, the mind of God.

Our mind contains the sum of our experience we can prioritize those to some extent.  Warning… mental illness can result if not used correctly. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Son of God The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Response:

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SNIP Ruling a country is a necessity whether u live in a democracy or a dictatorship.  Ultimately according to most faiths god puts the rulers of the nations in power, for whatever reason (god knows).  In a democracy the voters are in direct control of whom that leader is therefore a vote for the correct ruler is a vote for god!  So in a democracy it could be said that a believer of a particular faith should consult their god to know which side god wants in power. What of the person God intended to become the leader of said country who was never allowed to be born, because said leader was aborted as a "fetus"? This God appointed leader being the product of a terminated pregnacy instead? Anyone who subscribes to a being in control could not believe this.  It would be correct to reason because their god is ultimately in control and the pathetic little decisions of mere mortals could not possibly corrupt the ultimate plans of an all powerful being or beings.

As the religionist has believed false teachings concerning God, so also the atheist has believed false teachings. In this respect, the religionist and the atheist are the same. misled, deceived, and deluded. In other words the abortions would be taken into account in the great scheme of things or "the plan".  Death is going to happen, whether by war, aging, accident or even abortion any god knows this and should take it into account.

Your error is in believing false teachings concerning God. God does not directly control the lifes of man but teaches man how to live by making his own "right" decisions. Assuming the god or gods we speak of are all powerful and all knowing. On a broader scope in theistic beleif (as I understand it) all things are happening exactlly as they should be happening this is so any particular gods plan unfolds.  Whether is seems correct from the human perspective is inconsequential.

Only in a particular sense. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Perhaps it is easier to understand the role that faith plays in this.  If we are at point A in time or events and the finale is at point Z.  A theism beleives that god will get things to point Z regardless of how events may appear at all points along the way, in fact all those points people doing good people doing bad are actually all contributing to eventally reaching point Z. I think I’ve beat this horse to death.. IMHO Given the nature of your post.  I would suggest if you wish to debate the abortion issue, you do not subscribe to the authority argument, rather you chose a values argument.  The reason I say this is because for your authority (god) argument to have any merit the person you are trying to convince to change their mind must also accept the authority you are quoting.  If you take a values or virtues approach you can reason at a mental level as well as plead at an emotional level.

Rather reason and logic. The size or stage of maturity of a fetus does not equate as to whether this fetus is a living human being. Such is the argument of the abortionist, which is inanity. To say a young sapling is not a tree in its early growth states is the same inanity. What the abortionist disguises is the real issue; does the abortionist have the right to murder a human being in the fetus stage of life? The question of whether the fetus is a living being is a moot point. If left alone, the fetus continues its growth into a fully developed human being, thereby proving the matter. Son of God The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

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Rather foolish irrational thought you present. Your word reveals your mind. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, given that you have eluded to me that god some how has a system for governing lets make this real easy… A = Do you live in a democratic state? IF A=no THEN goto END ELSE     B= Do you vote?     IF B=no THEN  goto END     ELSE          C = Does god care how you vote?          IF C=no THEN  goto END          ELSE               D = Do you ask god for guidance on how to vote?               IF D = no THEN goto END               ELSE                    E = Do all people of your faith in the same riding choose the same candidate? END

Son of God The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In any given election if given a group of theists are living in the same constituency and proclaiming the same faith. If they are all praying to the same god for direction and the same spirit is anwering them, how can they end up voting for different candidates? God does not tell man to vote for fellow man to be his government. However people of various faiths do vote, perhaps your flavour of faith does not then the question is answered. The only government man should accept is self government by the principles of God, in and by  allowing the Godhead to be the head of government. Well now that sufficiently evades the question doesnt it. It conveys with extreme clarity, a principle. Evidently you cannot understand what the word conveys. Guess not, that is why there are 10,000 different sects that subscribe to your particular "word" all with greater or lesser differences.

And a larger number of deluded fools who cannot utilize logic nor reason in their thinking process, as you present. Each person governs his own self by his own mind. By his will, he acts and lives. Yes,  I thought theists asked god for guidence in their daily life though. Please elaborate here I am most interested. If mankind possesses the mind created by God, he would possess the principles of God which structure life for man to live in and by willful obedience to these principles. Just because something is created does not imply that it has the qualities of the creator.  A creator can give any qualities it has the potential to give to its creation.

It remains the creation of the creator. You speak of possiblities, nor specifics. The life structured by these principles is the better and greater life than the life man has created fro himself to live. What principles? If mankind possesses this mind, there would be no need for a government by law and principles legislated by a group of mankind which governs all mankind of a nation. Mankind does possess a mind, what mind are you taking about?

Read and see the word "this" mind. The laws of man have not worked and do not work for they are vastly inferior to the principles of God in regard to structuring a social order. What is the (for lack of a better word) governmental structrue of god? As far as I can tell it is a benevolant dictatorship.

You cannot "tell." You have merely believed matters which are not true. You are still begging the question.   OK your gods government would be best if everybody adheard to your gods ways (agreed).  The reality is no god is directly running any country that I can observe it is humans that are in government.

True. Please interupt me if I am out of line. Theists consult "god" on decisions they must make. Electing an official is a decision that a theist must make.

False. Religionists do this. If two theists of the same beleif are conslulting the same god for their decision.   Assuming they are deciding between the same candidates. They both vote according to how god has directed them. How can they vote for different candidates?

You speak of religionists and a "belief" system they have created for theirselves I know the reason you cannot give a straight answer is it is a real situation that happens every election.  This is observed reality that does not adhere to what you want to beleive is reality.  Namely that believers can actually obtain direction from god and make decisions with a gods guidance.

You have no knowledge nor understanding of the mind created by God. This mind is created and structured to be able to choose by self determination, utilizing knowledge and understanding received in the teachings from God. The reality is (as u stated above) that we make decisions using our mind which is based on our paradigm and values system and not supernatural process that takes place between god and the beleiver.  That becomes self evident when you look at this example I have laid out.

You do not know nor undersatnd what the "mind of Christ" is in reality. As said, every mind is a creation. The mind created by God is created by the substance of Truth which is known and understood. The contents of a mind are the substances which have come into the mind. Every mind of a child is relatively empty in regards to this substance. The substance is aquired by receiving and accepting substance from many sources. This substance is "inspired" in the mind, or "built up" in the mind. Even imagination creates substance which may be retained in the mind as "belief" in what one has imagined. The mind created by God contains substance from one source, the mind of God. Son of God The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SNIP Ruling a country is a necessity whether u live in a democracy or a dictatorship.  Ultimately according to most faiths god puts the rulers of the nations in power, for whatever reason (god knows).  In a democracy the voters are in direct control of whom that leader is therefore a vote for the correct ruler is a vote for god!  So in a democracy it could be said that a believer of a particular faith should consult their god to know which side god wants in power. What of the person God intended to become the leader of said country who was never allowed to be born, because said leader was aborted as a "fetus"? This God appointed leader being the product of a terminated pregnacy instead? Anyone who subscribes to a being in control could not believe this.  It would be correct to reason because their god is ultimately in control and the pathetic little decisions of mere mortals could not possibly corrupt the ultimate plans of an all powerful being or beings. In other words the abortions would be taken into account in the great scheme of things or "the plan".  Death is going to happen, whether by war, aging, accident or even abortion any god knows this and should take it into account. Assuming the god or gods we speak of are all powerful and all knowing. On a broader scope in theistic beleif (as I understand it) all things are happening exactlly as they should be happening this is so any particular gods plan unfolds.  Whether is seems correct from the human perspective is inconsequential. Perhaps it is easier to understand the role that faith plays in this.  If we are at point A in time or events and the finale is at point Z.  A theism beleives that god will get things to point Z regardless of how events may appear at all points along the way, in fact all those points people doing good people doing bad are actually all contributing to eventally reaching point Z. I think I’ve beat this horse to death.. IMHO Given the nature of your post.  I would suggest if you wish to debate the abortion issue, you do not subscribe to the authority argument, rather you chose a values argument.  The reason I say this is because for your authority (god) argument to have any merit the person you are trying to convince to change their mind must also accept the authority you are quoting.  If you take a values or virtues approach you can reason at a mental level as well as plead at an emotional level.

The issue of abortion is neither debatable nor an arguement. I merely used it to point out that God has His own way, and when men do not follow His way, the effect has consequence. If, in the mind of God, the perfect man for the job was destroyed by man, never being allowed to be born and fulfill his calling then a lesser man ends up being placed in a position of authority over others of man, and it is man that ultimately suffers as a result.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SNIP Ruling a country is a necessity whether u live in a democracy or a dictatorship.  Ultimately according to most faiths god puts the rulers of the nations in power, for whatever reason (god knows).  In a democracy the voters are in direct control of whom that leader is therefore a vote for the correct ruler is a vote for god!  So in a democracy it could be said that a believer of a particular faith should consult their god to know which side god wants in power. What of the person God intended to become the leader of said country who was never allowed to be born, because said leader was aborted as a "fetus"? This God appointed leader being the product of a terminated pregnacy instead? Anyone who subscribes to a being in control could not believe this.  It would be correct to reason because their god is ultimately in control and the pathetic little decisions of mere mortals could not possibly corrupt the ultimate plans of an all powerful being or beings. In other words the abortions would be taken into account in the great scheme of things or "the plan".  Death is going to happen, whether by war, aging, accident or even abortion any god knows this and should take it into account. Assuming the god or gods we speak of are all powerful and all knowing. On a broader scope in theistic beleif (as I understand it) all things are happening exactlly as they should be happening this is so any particular gods plan unfolds.  Whether is seems correct from the human perspective is inconsequential. Perhaps it is easier to understand the role that faith plays in this.  If we are at point A in time or events and the finale is at point Z.  A theism beleives that god will get things to point Z regardless of how events may appear at all points along the way, in fact all those points people doing good people doing bad are actually all contributing to eventally reaching point Z. I think I’ve beat this horse to death.. IMHO Given the nature of your post.  I would suggest if you wish to debate the abortion issue, you do not subscribe to the authority argument, rather you chose a values argument.  The reason I say this is because for your authority (god) argument to have any merit the person you are trying to convince to change their mind must also accept the authority you are quoting.  If you take a values or virtues approach you can reason at a mental level as well as plead at an emotional level. The issue of abortion is neither debatable nor an arguement. I merely used it to point out that God has His own way, and when men do not follow His way, the effect has consequence. If, in the mind of God, the perfect man for the job was destroyed by man, never being allowed to be born and fulfill his calling then a lesser man ends up being placed in a position of authority over others of man, and it is man that ultimately suffers as a result.

How does anything that man can do change the will / plans of an a all powerful god?  As a believer and mere mortal all u can do is ask for guidance and have faith that you are following the correct god.  Whatever that god wants to happen regardless of what mere mortals do will be done. Like I said an all powerful god would take into account the things that we see as possible mistakes like aborting the perfect leader… in other words that aborted fetus could not be the right future leader by the very fact that it was aborted.  That fetus would be known by and all knowning god that it would be aborted before time began and the leader of a particular country would be known for the same reason. Parallel universe theory has not been tested yet.  So maybe in another universe that leaders fetus was aborted.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In any given election if given a group of theists are living in the same constituency and proclaiming the same faith. If they are all praying to the same god for direction and the same spirit is anwering them, how can they end up voting for different candidates? God does not tell man to vote for fellow man to be his government. However people of various faiths do vote, perhaps your flavour of faith does not then the question is answered. The only government man should accept is self government by the principles of God, in and by  allowing the Godhead to be the head of government. Well now that sufficiently evades the question doesnt it. It conveys with extreme clarity, a principle. Evidently you cannot understand what the word conveys.

Guess not, that is why there are 10,000 different sects that subscribe to your particular "word" all with greater or lesser differences. Each person governs his own self by his own mind. By his will, he acts and lives.

Yes,  I thought theists asked god for guidence in their daily life though. Please elaborate here I am most interested. If mankind possesses the mind created by God, he would possess the principles of God which structure life for man to live in and by willful obedience to these principles.

Just because something is created does not imply that it has the qualities of the creator.  A creator can give any qualities it has the potential to give to its creation. The life structured by these principles is the better and greater life than the life man has created fro himself to live.

What principles? If mankind possesses this mind, there would be no need for a government by law and principles legislated by a group of mankind which governs all mankind of a nation.

Mankind does possess a mind, what mind are you taking about? The laws of man have not worked and do not work for they are vastly inferior to the principles of God in regard to structuring a social order.

What is the (for lack of a better word) governmental structrue of god? As far as I can tell it is a benevolant dictatorship. You are still begging the question.   OK your gods government would be best if everybody adheard to your gods ways (agreed).  The reality is no god is directly running any country that I can observe it is humans that are in government. Please interupt me if I am out of line. Theists consult "god" on decisions they must make. Electing an official is a decision that a theist must make. If two theists of the same beleif are conslulting the same god for their decision.   Assuming they are deciding between the same candidates. They both vote according to how god has directed them. How can they vote for different candidates? I know the reason you cannot give a straight answer is it is a real situation that happens every election.  This is observed reality that does not adhere to what you want to beleive is reality.  Namely that believers can actually obtain direction from god and make decisions with a gods guidance. The reality is (as u stated above) that we make decisions using our mind which is based on our paradigm and values system and not supernatural process that takes place between god and the beleiver.  That becomes self evident when you look at this example I have laid out.

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OK, given that you have eluded to me that god some how has a system for governing lets make this real easy… A = Do you live in a democratic state? IF A=no THEN goto END ELSE      B= Do you vote?      IF B=no THEN  goto END      ELSE           C = Does god care how you vote?           IF C=no THEN  goto END           ELSE                D = Do you ask god for guidance on how to vote?                IF D = no THEN goto END                ELSE                     E = Do all people of your faith in the same riding choose the same candidate? END – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SNIP Ruling a country is a necessity whether u live in a democracy or a dictatorship.  Ultimately according to most faiths god puts the rulers of the nations in power, for whatever reason (god knows).  In a democracy the voters are in direct control of whom that leader is therefore a vote for the correct ruler is a vote for god!  So in a democracy it could be said that a believer of a particular faith should consult their god to know which side god wants in power. What of the person God intended to become the leader of said country who was never allowed to be born, because said leader was aborted as a "fetus"? This God appointed leader being the product of a terminated pregnacy instead?

Anyone who subscribes to a being in control could not believe this.  It would be correct to reason because their god is ultimately in control and the pathetic little decisions of mere mortals could not possibly corrupt the ultimate plans of an all powerful being or beings. In other words the abortions would be taken into account in the great scheme of things or "the plan".  Death is going to happen, whether by war, aging, accident or even abortion any god knows this and should take it into account. Assuming the god or gods we speak of are all powerful and all knowing. On a broader scope in theistic beleif (as I understand it) all things are happening exactlly as they should be happening this is so any particular gods plan unfolds.  Whether is seems correct from the human perspective is inconsequential. Perhaps it is easier to understand the role that faith plays in this.  If we are at point A in time or events and the finale is at point Z.  A theism beleives that god will get things to point Z regardless of how events may appear at all points along the way, in fact all those points people doing good people doing bad are actually all contributing to eventally reaching point Z. I think I’ve beat this horse to death.. IMHO Given the nature of your post.  I would suggest if you wish to debate the abortion issue, you do not subscribe to the authority argument, rather you chose a values argument.  The reason I say this is because for your authority (god) argument to have any merit the person you are trying to convince to change their mind must also accept the authority you are quoting.  If you take a values or virtues approach you can reason at a mental level as well as plead at an emotional level. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In any given election if given a group of theists are living in the same constituency and proclaiming the same faith. If they are all praying to the same god for direction and the same spirit is anwering them, how can they end up voting for different candidates? God does not tell man to vote for fellow man to be his government. However people of various faiths do vote, perhaps your flavour of faith does not then the question is answered. The only government man should accept is self government by the principles of God, in and by  allowing the Godhead to be the head of government. Well now that sufficiently evades the question doesnt it.

It conveys with extreme clarity, a principle. Evidently you cannot understand what the word conveys. Each person governs his own self by his own mind. By his will, he acts and lives. If mankind possesses the mind created by God, he would possess the principles of God which structure life for man to live in and by willful obedience to these principles. The life structured by these principles is the better and greater life than the life man has created fro himself to live. If mankind possesses this mind, there would be no need for a government by law and principles legislated by a group of mankind which governs all mankind of a nation. The laws of man have not worked and do not work for they are vastly inferior to the principles of God in regard to structuring a social order. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Son of God The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. Theists of many faiths claim to be directed by god in their daily life I would conclude that voting in and election is one of the things that a person would seek guidance over. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. Ruling a country is a necessity whether u live in a democracy or a dictatorship.  Ultimately according to most faiths god puts the rulers of the nations in power, for whatever reason (god knows).  In a democracy the voters are in direct control of whom that leader is therefore a vote for the correct ruler is a vote for god!  So in a democracy it could be said that a believer of a particular faith should consult their god to know which side god wants in power. Son of God The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Son of God The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

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SNIP Ruling a country is a necessity whether u live in a democracy or a dictatorship.  Ultimately according to most faiths god puts the rulers of the nations in power, for whatever reason (god knows).  In a democracy the voters are in direct control of whom that leader is therefore a vote for the correct ruler is a vote for god!  So in a democracy it could be said that a believer of a particular faith should consult their god to know which side god wants in power.

What of the person God intended to become the leader of said country who was never allowed to be born, because said leader was aborted as a "fetus"? This God appointed leader being the product of a terminated pregnacy instead?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In any given election if given a group of theists are living in the same constituency and proclaiming the same faith. If they are all praying to the same god for direction and the same spirit is anwering them, how can they end up voting for different candidates? God does not tell man to vote for fellow man to be his government. However people of various faiths do vote, perhaps your flavour of faith does not then the question is answered. The only government man should accept is self government by the principles of God, in and by  allowing the Godhead to be the head of government.

Well now that sufficiently evades the question doesnt it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Son of God The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. Theists of many faiths claim to be directed by god in their daily life I would conclude that voting in and election is one of the things that a person would seek guidance over. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. Ruling a country is a necessity whether u live in a democracy or a dictatorship.  Ultimately according to most faiths god puts the rulers of the nations in power, for whatever reason (god knows).  In a democracy the voters are in direct control of whom that leader is therefore a vote for the correct ruler is a vote for god!  So in a democracy it could be said that a believer of a particular faith should consult their god to know which side god wants in power. Son of God The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

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The Word speaks for itself. I do not need to add anything. Love, David

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Thanks, literally for nothing.

Thank you, I have tried not to mislead you with favoritsm as a voter would have. Love, David

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The Word speaks for itself. I do not need to add anything.

I hate to disapoint you but what you pointed out in your scripture makes no sense. I am asking a question about observed reality (persons of like faiths voting in elections for different candidates) , you are pointing to your scripture and saying well this does not happen.  When in fact we know it does. Very strange, I am looking for a perspective and you have supplied none. Thanks, literally for nothing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Love, David

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In any given election if given a group of theists are living in the same constituency and proclaiming the same faith. If they are all praying to the same god for direction and the same spirit is anwering them, how can they end up voting for different candidates? God does not tell man to vote for fellow man to be his government. However people of various faiths do vote, perhaps your flavour of faith does not then the question is answered.

The only government man should accept is self government by the principles of God, in and by  allowing the Godhead to be the head of government. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Son of God The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. Theists of many faiths claim to be directed by god in their daily life I would conclude that voting in and election is one of the things that a person would seek guidance over. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. Ruling a country is a necessity whether u live in a democracy or a dictatorship.  Ultimately according to most faiths god puts the rulers of the nations in power, for whatever reason (god knows).  In a democracy the voters are in direct control of whom that leader is therefore a vote for the correct ruler is a vote for god!  So in a democracy it could be said that a believer of a particular faith should consult their god to know which side god wants in power.

Son of God The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

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In any given election if given a group of theists are living in the same constituency and proclaiming the same faith. If they are all praying to the same god for direction and the same spirit is anwering them, how can they end up voting for different candidates? God does not tell man to vote for fellow man to be his government.

However people of various faiths do vote, perhaps your flavour of faith does not then the question is answered. Son of God The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God.

Theists of many faiths claim to be directed by god in their daily life I would conclude that voting in and election is one of the things that a person would seek guidance over. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Ruling a country is a necessity whether u live in a democracy or a dictatorship.  Ultimately according to most faiths god puts the rulers of the nations in power, for whatever reason (god knows).  In a democracy the voters are in direct control of whom that leader is therefore a vote for the correct ruler is a vote for god!  So in a democracy it could be said that a believer of a particular faith should consult their god to know which side god wants in power.

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In any given election if given a group of theists are living in the same constituency and proclaiming the same faith. If they are all praying to the same god for direction and the same spirit is anwering them, how can they end up voting for different candidates???

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So they proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias.  Then they prayed, "Lord, you know everyone’s heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs."  Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles. Acts 1:23-26 My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don’t show favoritism. James 2:1

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In any given election if given a group of theists are living in the same constituency and proclaiming the same faith. If they are all praying to the same god for direction and the same spirit is anwering them, how can they end up voting for different candidates?

God does not tell man to vote for fellow man to be his government. Son of God The things of God knoweth no man, but him who is the Spirit of God. You are they who justify yourselves before men; but God knows your hearts; for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

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In a democracy a  believer would want to select the candidate that god wants, how can two or more believers of the same faith reach different conclusions?  Perhaps god is not interested in the leaders of our various countries and communities? Your scriptures below do not bring an understanding of how the situation could arise. So they proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias.  Then they prayed, "Lord, you know everyone’s heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs."  Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles. Acts 1:23-26

I hardly think that we will change democracy to the rolling of the dice, neither do I think that anyone whom beleives god rolls dice to determine which way they are to vote.  Indeed I suspect they rely on their faith to determine the direction of their vote.   Given that the question would still stand, how could people of like minded faith reach different conclusions? My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don’t show favoritism. James 2:1

I thought that christians voted, so christians dont vote?  That would answer the question. Of course the christian god has never advocated democracy in the bible so christians would have good reason not to vote. Anyway, you have misquoted this scripture.  The act of voting is not showing favoratism rather an attempt to take responsibility for society at large we should vote for the candidate that will either benefit us personally or we believe will contribute to the greater good. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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