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There is availble online a text document that deals with Interval Reading of the Torah.  (Can’t remember the site, but search through Disinfo) This is what the Bible Code is based on.  Gematria, uses the letter-numbers of the AlephBet as a means of correspondences: i.e. two wrods in Hebrew, while having different meanings, have the same letter/numbervalue.   they are then related.  Yes, the interval has been used on other books to find the same things.  I will say no mre – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– – —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– I have actually read the book, "The Bible Code".  It looked like a desparate attempt at literary crossword combined with some wishful thinking.  I was unimpressed. I feel a lot the same way about similar methods of future predicting…and some bits and peices of Qabala such as Gematria. Blessed Be, My web page is http://www.geocities.com/athens/ithaca/1256 —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.5 for non-commercial use <http://www.nai.com iQA/AwUBNeW9qKq585JHWIr/EQJB2wCdHyGsgBuODoLrYTzYa+CxoOJp77gAnic+ cY4G3l1BL24rtlauDvYY9Uz3 =g1uA —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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Due to the habit of occasionally monitoring TBN, 700 Club and other rabid Christian organizations I stumbled across something that is interesting from Cryptographic point a view and the insane illogic of Christian Fundamentalists. There are two books on this subject that I know of ‘Bible Codes’ and ‘The Signature of God’.  ’Bible Codes’ was written by a secular biblical scholar and ‘The Signature of God’ was written by a Christian Fundamentalist biblical scholar. Both know their stuff at least academically wise. For those who don’t know about this, if you put various phrases into Hebrew with Hebrew letters you will get what is called ‘equal distant spacing of the letters’ now this take a computer to figure all of this out. Anyways, I was watching the author of "The Signature of God" on TBN earlier today and he was making some statements that totally defy logic, either that or the Christian God is one hell of a bastard. Supposedly in these bible codes, all of the great events are covered in the original Hebrew texts Genesis to Malichi through this equidistant spacing. Now according to the statictions the odds of there being this equidistant spacing run from 800,000 to one to upwards of 3 Billion to one. This guy makes the statement, that this is proof that the Bible really is the word of God because in hindsight there were all of these predictions in there, like the Holocaust, the Kennedy Assassination, the Gulf War etc, naming people and places by name. Now my question is, if the Christian god knew all of these terrible thing were going to happen, why didn’t he step in and do something. After hearing this guy, I reach the conclusion that Robert Hienlien was right about YHWH, he is a complete and total bastard (those who have read JOB: A Comedy of Justice will understand this). Now I don’t know about the Christians, but if I was still a Christian I would be more than a little pissed at YHWH. — Time is infinite. You are finite, Zathrus is finite…This is wrong tool!"  – Zathrus    Babylon 5 "War Without End" (Episodes 315-316) Tony Veca

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– – —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– I have actually read the book, "The Bible Code".  It looked like a desparate attempt at literary crossword combined with some wishful thinking.  I was unimpressed. Check out http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html  A collegue of mine searched the text of Moby Dick using the same algorithms.  Good work Brendan for taking up the challenge offered by Michael Drosnan!

[much snippage] Cool, thanks for the URL. I have a friend or two who thought this Bible Code thing was, and I quote, "pretty cool". Not having read the book I didn’t feel qualified to criticize, but I felt that you could make a word-search out of just about any page of text in the English language. There are only 26 letters in the alphabet, after all. I may have flunked probability & stats in high school, but anyone who’s ever played Scrabble knows what can emerge from a random smattering of letters. Rimrunner one of my first post-high-school jobs was analyzing statistics. yes. — Murder of Crows: http://www.nwlink.com/~noah/ EP NOW AVAILABLE Force This!: http://www.shavenwookie.com/rimrun "Son of god or son of man, you can’t fuck your sister and expect much good to come of it." — Starr, "Preacher" —

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– – —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– I have actually read the book, "The Bible Code".  It looked like a desparate attempt at literary crossword combined with some wishful thinking.  I was unimpressed.

I feel a lot the same way about similar methods of future predicting…and some bits and peices of Qabala such as Gematria. Blessed Be, My web page is http://www.geocities.com/athens/ithaca/1256 —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.5 for non-commercial use <http://www.nai.com iQA/AwUBNeW9qKq585JHWIr/EQJB2wCdHyGsgBuODoLrYTzYa+CxoOJp77gAnic+ cY4G3l1BL24rtlauDvYY9Uz3 =g1uA —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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life & uttered the following: Due to the habit of occasionally monitoring TBN, 700 Club and other rabid Christian organizations I stumbled across something that is interesting from Cryptographic point a view and the insane illogic of Christian Fundamentalists. There are two books on this subject that I know of ‘Bible Codes’ and ‘The Signature of God’.  ’Bible Codes’ was written by a secular biblical scholar and ‘The Signature of God’ was written by a Christian Fundamentalist biblical scholar. Both know their stuff at least academically wise. For those who don’t know about this, if you put various phrases into Hebrew with Hebrew letters you will get what is called ‘equal distant spacing of the letters’ now this take a computer to figure all of this out.

You can do the same type thing with any manuscript of fait to large size.  Moby dick is used in one example.  Don’t have the URL handy, but it is out there, along with a statement of 45 [last count] chaired & recognized mathematicians stating it is hogwash. Remanents of Tony’s comments snipped. Fundamentalism means never having to say I’m wrong.  

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