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– Greetings…. Mr. Carey shows his Christian kindness here… so nice to read this on my Sabbath Mr. Carey… Be Well… Nicole Maschke (aka) J.M.Windgate The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html Land Mail: P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 AOL Instant Messenger: JNWindgate The mind is like a book. Open and much is learned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of life… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nicole Maschke wants us to think she’s really stupid: This is type of typical response. "… can you prove that…". Yeah. Imagine asking for evidence of your silly claims. It’s common knowledge that the mass majority of settlers in the colonies were Christian. Okay… It’s common knowledge, from the historical record, that the only four people who gave up their slaves when the declaration was signed, of those who owned slaves, were Franklin, Jefferson, Adams and Lee. Granted, but note that Jefferson was not a Christian, yet he owned slaves and drafted legislation against homosexuality. This means that the bulk of the other people who owned slaves where either Christian or agnostic. But, from the historical texts at the time, the amount of agnostics in the colonies was very little. Thus, the amount of the slave owners were, for the most part Christian. Probably. But you’re forgetting that not everyone who was Christian owned slaves, or believed it was right to own slaves. The above post that I am responding to here is just another attempt by a Christian to deny any wrong doing what-so-ever at all. You’re lying again, but that’s nothing new. Slavery was wrong. Christians did it. They know it, whether they admit it or not. And the Christians who followed George Wallace and stoned and shot at US soldiers who tried to grant safe passage to Blacks in the south for equal rights was done, for the most part, by Christians. That sentence is a redundancy, and completely unsubstantiated. Today, the only religious group that bans books, movies, music, television shows, and burns books publicly are the Christians. Let’s see, the gays protested _Basic Instinct_, the gays and the feminists also spoke out against _The Lion King_, and the radical feminists are every bit as intent upon banning pornography as Ralph Reed. Maybe more so. Time to revise and extend your remarks. — Religious Freedom Home Page: http://www.mindspring.com/~careyb/rframe.html | Usenet Wisdom | "Or the President can use his constitutional powers to defeat the opposition as Bill Clinton has been doing. That is why you hate him so. It makes you bleed from the anus." – Jim Kennemur, combining his favorite fetish with political opinion "They approved of Amendment I, too, huh? Amendment I, the one regarding representation, huh?" – Jim Alison, acting stupid
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Please keep your hypocritical hate-mongering off of Usenet. And take a course in logic. The lack displayed below is appalling. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – } } }Fact: every single day between 3 and 5 members of the gay }community are killed by Christians in the United States…. Normally I would demand proof of this outlandish claim, but since this from Nicole, who never backs up *any* claims she makes, I will refrain. Just an — Greetings…. The statistic comes from the hate crime unit of the FBI, from the violent crime report of 1996 and 1997. There’s the source for the statistic. So you have lied. I do back up things… Be Well… Nicole Maschke (aka) J.M.Windgate The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html Land Mail: P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 AOL Instant Messenger: JNWindgate The mind is like a book. Open and much is learned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of life… US department of Justice FBI Report. Http://.fbi.gov/publish.htm Page 5. Hate Crime Statistics 1996. "Twelve persons were murdered in 1996 in incidents motivated by hate. Racial bias motivated the highest number of these murders, eight. Bias against Hispanics served for 2 of the twelve homicides, while sexual orientation bias motivated the remaining 2.(See Table 4)" The hate crime report is only for 1996. There is not a report published yet for 1997. You are a liar. A huge liar. But then you really troll and bate. I wrote two months ago that you should renounce the christian religon and then you began too. Humerous babe, up the medication, you’ll feel better. — Greetings…. My, My… How polite. If you do not believe the figures that I gave you, which came to me from the FBI here in Cleveland, Ohio, then that’s a problem between you and them. Not between you and I. Secondly, let’s be clear here. Those who are not members of the gay community have no vested interest in establishing the hate crime index. For those who are not members of the gay community, the killings of gays that are done, is just another statistic. For those who are members of the gay community, the numbers are not statistics, but signals of how to gauge their political involvement to acquire the same equal rights that other Americans have, that, for the most part, they do not have. Mr. Hanson is quick to judge me, and to accuse me of being a troll and a liar. It almost sounds as if he is saying that unless he claims it to be fact, that it is not fact, no matter who is saying it. If that is the case, then I find that Mr. Hanson would be an unfortunate person. For he seems more bent on castigating me, and casting aspersions at me than he does with debating the issues of hate crimes in the United States, which the New York Times reported last month to be on the rise in the United States. So while Mr. Hanson says that only 12 people out of millions where killed of hate crimes in 1996, I must say that is quite bizarre. For in Ohio we had at least 15 hate crimes in the past year… Like I said, Mr. Hanson seems more interested in castigating me, and in being rude than he does in finding truth. For I am reporting only that which has been reported to me. I hope that Mr. Hanson finds peace in his life and finds a way to live with others without always having to be right. I mean being right only counts in life. Once you’re dead it no longer matters. Be Well… Nicole Maschke (aka) J.M.Windgate The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html Land Mail: P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 AOL Instant Messenger: JNWindgate The mind is like a book. Open and much is learned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of life…
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Please keep your hypocritical hate-mongering off of Usenet. And take a course in history – you have a LOT to learn. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nicole Maschke continues to spew: That’s not the point, honey. You didn’t address issue: WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 11 COLONIES, ALSO FILLED WITH CHRISTIANS & CHRISTIAN BELIEF? IF SLAVERY WAS SUCH A MAJOR DOCTRINE IN THEIR BELIEFS, WHY DIDN’T THE OTHER 11 COLONIES INSIST ON SLAVERY AS WELL? HMMMMMMMMMMM….? Out of the entire 13 colonies there were only 4 people who set their slaves free at the time the Declaration was signed. They were, John Adams, Ben Franklyn, Thomas Jefferson, and James Lee. The rest of the good Christians of the 13 colonies believed that owning slaves was a Christian right. At least, when given the chance to set them free, the majority of the Christians at the time refused to do so. Additionally, the mass majority of the Christians in the United States, up through the Emancipation Proclomation, refused to set their slaves free. The mass majority of Christians owned slaves? Can you prove that? The North finally relented due to a major ideological and theological shift from the Christians in the South. Yeah. All those Christians up North started supporting emancipation. The Christians in the south refused to set their slaves free. Most of the Christians in the north set their slaves free… but some kept theirs. What about all of the non-Christians? How come you don’t say much about them? The point is that up until 1865, the majority of the Christian population believed that it was the Christian thing to do to own slaves and to abuse them by taking their culture, and their children. The majority of the Christian population? Care to support that? Charles Spurgeon, Britain’s most famous preacher, preached adamantly against slavery. Patrick Henry opposed it as well. While Thomas Jefferson, hardly a Christian, owned slaves. Go figure. — Religious Freedom Home Page: http://www.mindspring.com/~careyb/rframe.html | Usenet Wisdom | "Or the President can use his constitutional powers to defeat the opposition as Bill Clinton has been doing. That is why you hate him so. It makes you bleed from the anus." – Jim Kennemur, combining his favorite fetish with political opinion "They approved of Amendment I, too, huh? Amendment I, the one regarding representation, huh?" – Jim Alison, acting stupid — Greetings…. This is type of typical response. "… can you prove that…". It’s common knowledge that the mass majority of settlers in the colonies were Christian. It’s common knowledge, from the historical record, that the only four people who gave up their slaves when the declaration was signed, of those who owned slaves, were Franklin, Jefferson, Adams and Lee. This means that the bulk of the other people who owned slaves where either Christian or agnostic. But, from the historical texts at the time, the amount of agnostics in the colonies was very little. Thus, the amount of the slave owners were, for the most part Christian. The above post that I am responding to here is just another attempt by a Christian to deny any wrong doing what-so-ever at all. Slavery was wrong. Christians did it. They know it, whether they admit it or not. And the Christians who followed George Wallace and stoned and shot at US soldiers who tried to grant safe passage to Blacks in the south for equal rights was done, for the most part, by Christians. Today, the only religious group that bans books, movies, music, television shows, and burns books publicly are the Christians. The last time that this was done in the world is when it was done by Hitler. The Christians know this too. But they refuse to admit it. When someone refuses to join the Christian movement they are called, by the Christians a sinner and that they work for the Devil. And this castigation is made regardless of whether the person being accused believes in the Devil (whatever that is) or not. Thus, by that accusation the Christians then set themselves up as being superior to other faiths, and thus cast a shadow of disparagement on all those who are not of their religion. The Jews do the same thing in what is known as the Orthodoxy. But their role has never been equaled to that of the Christian movement. This is something that most Christians refuse to admit to. My complaint is not at Christians… for the sake of being Christian. Regardless of how my delineation of posts have presented themselves. My point is simple. The Christian movement, being the largest in the world, built primarily off of very distorted letters and commentaries by followers of jesus… have come to a point where censorship and disparagement are part of their daily way of life. And this sets up a double standard between their faith and anyone else of another faith. True… There are other faiths that cast aspersions on those not of their faith. But merely because these other faiths do this is no excuse for the Christians doing it. And yet, when confronted about their behavior the Christians invariably say that it’s okay for them to disparage other faiths because the other faiths disparage them… So just because someone goes and jumps off a cliff, it’s okay for everyone else to do the same. To point out this disparagement, the Christians sing about marching to war, as soldiers, carrying the cross of jesus before them. Thus, when they sing this song, they then invoke the battle mentality, and/or mind set, whereby they are, at the very least, more likely to be confrontational regarding their views versus anyone else’s. This can be clearly seen in how the supporters of Christianity, and Christians have been constantly attacking me, rather than admitting to anything. To put things in perspective, I am a Jew. But I do not support Israel and the killing that they do. I take full responsibility for the killing that the Jews have done, and the lies that they have told. I, while a member in good standing of my temple, do not attend temple for the simple reason that most of the members there are more concerned with going to be be seen than they are with going to grow spiritually. And this is something that is very much a part of many of the religions in the nation at this time. Most religions no longer are concerned with spiritual growth, in as much as they are concerned with political gains, personal gains, and money. This goes for every religion that I have seen lately… Just one view of it… I don’t expect much agreement on this by anyone… For the most part, the US has become overtly greedy and selfish these days. With every religion trying to get one up on the other religions, at any cost. This behavior is more than detrimental to our way of life in this country. But that again, is my view, and most will not agree with it. See, in my neighborhood, things are a bit different than the life that the Christians preach about…. See, I counsel some of the neighborhood girls. I do so because their parents do crack cocaine… and quite often beat the girls. Our human services in Ohio is fairly poor, with Ohio being one of 21 states what taxes the working poor (USA Today, MSNBC 4/17/98). So while these conditions exist here in the poorest section of Cleveland, there is little that the system can do when it is over taxed, and short of funds due to how selfish people have become lately. So many of the children that come to our home come there for safety, quiet and some peace from the turmoil that they have to live in. And some of these children go to Christian schools… while their parents might beat them, and treat them poorly. I am not the end all as far as views in the world. But I have lived 47 years in a number of states around the country. I have spent time with Native American Indians, and have been homeless at one point. Coming from a very wealthy family, I’ve gone through a number of adjustments regarding my status, and my life. I know that there will be at least five or six people who will rush to attack me, castigate me, accuse me, and tell lies about me. They will call me names and put me down. They will be rude and condescending… And they will do this, so it would appear, in order to impress others with how smart they think that they are. I am me… Not a genius. I am just one woman who tries to make sense out of a world where the Christian ethic dominates the world scene with hate and
violence. In Ireland – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – both the Catholics and the Protestants are using violence to kill each other, and have for years. And they have done this while going to church and listening to sermons about how it is wrong to kill. Doesn’t make much sense. Oh, I forgot… Those who will attack me will accuse me of rambling, being stupid, being a mental case, being a liar, a cheat, a whore… and worse… I know that this is how these people who read me treat me… When I write a post such as this with kindness they will in turn treat me with hate… And they will then turn the tables and accuse me of hate and bigotry for writing this post. And the funny thing is that most of the usenet will believe these people in what they say
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – US department of Justice FBI Report. Http://www.fbi.gov/publish.htm Page 5. Hate Crime Statistics 1996. "Twelve persons were murdered in 1996 in incidents motivated by hate. Racial bias motivated the highest number of these murders, eight. Bias against Hispanics served for 2 of the twelve homicides, while sexual orientation bias motivated the remaining 2.(See Table 4)" The hate crime report is only for 1996. There is not a report published yet for 1997. You are a liar. A huge liar. But then you really troll and bate. I wrote two months ago that you should renounce the christian religon and then you began too. Humerous babe, up the medication, you’ll feel better. — Greetings…. My, My… How polite. If you do not believe the figures that I gave you, which came to me from the FBI here in Cleveland, Ohio, then that’s a problem between you and them. Not between you and I.
This is intellectual dishonesty. The source I gave is the FBI. Those are the statistics. Secondly, let’s be clear here. Those who are not members of the gay community have no vested interest in establishing the hate crime index. For those who are not members of the gay community, the killings of gays that are done, is just another statistic.
That would be the one you made up….. For those who are members of the gay community, the numbers are not statistics, but signals of how to gauge their political involvement to acquire the same equal rights that other Americans have, that, for the most part, they do not have.
Yours are not just statistics babe they are fabrications. I realize that statistics can lie but the body count was 2. At 3 a day that would be 1095. Apparentlly your number is off by a little. This would be a fabrication. Frabricated means to invent. You fabricated. You are now trying to say I pointed it out to be mean, that’s a redirection. Not a good one but a redirection. Mr. Hanson is quick to judge me, and to accuse me of being a troll and a liar.
It wasn’t quick babe. I went to the FBI page looked up publications and found the Hate Crime Statistics for 1996. Then downloaded the Adobe file and read it. All in all I spent oh, call it 30 minutes finding out you, yet again fabricated numbers to back up your ravings. So please don’t say I was quick to judge you, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and checked your source. I don’t know why I bothered, you won’t even approach the fact that you lied. You will just say I’m being mean. It almost sounds as if he is saying that unless he claims it to be fact, that it is not fact, no matter who is saying it.
I didn’t just claim it to be a fact babe, I proved that yours was a fabrication and gave the web site to check it. Http://www.fbi.gov/publish.htm You may find it hard to beleive but it is possible to argue with real honest statistics. When you do that people don’t think of you as an imbecile. If that is the case, then I find that Mr. Hanson would be an unfortunate person. For he seems more bent on castigating me, and casting aspersions at me than he does with debating the issues of hate crimes in the United States, which the New York Times reported last month to be on the rise in the United States. So while Mr. Hanson says that only 12 people out of millions where killed of hate crimes in 1996, I must say that is quite bizarre.
I’ll try to type slower babe, the Hate Crime Report for 1996 published the number twelve. So apparentlly the FBI beleives that is the number. But of course you have knowledge of murders they don’t like your three assailints? For in Ohio we had at least 15 hate crimes in the past year… Like I said, Mr. Hanson seems more interested in castigating me, and in being rude than he does in finding truth.
What an idiot. Ohio had something like, now I’m going from memory here so I may be off but, 400+ hate crimes. For I am reporting only that which has been reported to me. I hope that Mr. Hanson finds peace in his life and finds a way to live with others without always having to be right. I mean being right only counts in life. Once you’re dead it no longer matters.
So you will admit I’m right but will argue that the point is not to use real statistics but that Hate crimes are bad?? That’s not an argument bozo. An argument is when both sides have the facts and disagree at the interpitation of the facts. You lied to make your rants seem bigger or badder, who knows. Maybe triple your medication. The mind is like a book. Open and much is learned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of life…
Maybe if you went and retrieved a book and possibly read it and didn’t fabricate your stories but actually had a real source this could be true for you. It should go: The mind is like a blank page. Write something down and some moron will take it as gospel. If they question you, deny everything and redirect…
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nicole Maschke continues to spew: That’s not the point, honey. You didn’t address issue: WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 11 COLONIES, ALSO FILLED WITH CHRISTIANS & CHRISTIAN BELIEF? IF SLAVERY WAS SUCH A MAJOR DOCTRINE IN THEIR BELIEFS, WHY DIDN’T THE OTHER 11 COLONIES INSIST ON SLAVERY AS WELL? HMMMMMMMMMMM….? Out of the entire 13 colonies there were only 4 people who set their slaves free at the time the Declaration was signed. They were, John Adams, Ben Franklyn, Thomas Jefferson, and James Lee. The rest of the good Christians of the 13 colonies believed that owning slaves was a Christian right. At least, when given the chance to set them free, the majority of the Christians at the time refused to do so. Additionally, the mass majority of the Christians in the United States, up through the Emancipation Proclomation, refused to set their slaves free. The mass majority of Christians owned slaves? Can you prove that? The North finally relented due to a major ideological and theological shift from the Christians in the South. Yeah. All those Christians up North started supporting emancipation. The Christians in the south refused to set their slaves free. Most of the Christians in the north set their slaves free… but some kept theirs. What about all of the non-Christians? How come you don’t say much about them? The point is that up until 1865, the majority of the Christian population believed that it was the Christian thing to do to own slaves and to abuse them by taking their culture, and their children. The majority of the Christian population? Care to support that? Charles Spurgeon, Britain’s most famous preacher, preached adamantly against slavery. Patrick Henry opposed it as well. While Thomas Jefferson, hardly a Christian, owned slaves. Go figure. — Religious Freedom Home Page: http://www.mindspring.com/~careyb/rframe.html | Usenet Wisdom | "Or the President can use his constitutional powers to defeat the opposition as Bill Clinton has been doing. That is why you hate him so. It makes you bleed from the anus." – Jim Kennemur, combining his favorite fetish with political opinion "They approved of Amendment I, too, huh? Amendment I, the one regarding representation, huh?" – Jim Alison, acting stupid
– Greetings…. This is type of typical response. "… can you prove that…". It’s common knowledge that the mass majority of settlers in the colonies were Christian. It’s common knowledge, from the historical record, that the only four people who gave up their slaves when the declaration was signed, of those who owned slaves, were Franklin, Jefferson, Adams and Lee. This means that the bulk of the other people who owned slaves where either Christian or agnostic. But, from the historical texts at the time, the amount of agnostics in the colonies was very little. Thus, the amount of the slave owners were, for the most part Christian. The above post that I am responding to here is just another attempt by a Christian to deny any wrong doing what-so-ever at all. Slavery was wrong. Christians did it. They know it, whether they admit it or not. And the Christians who followed George Wallace and stoned and shot at US soldiers who tried to grant safe passage to Blacks in the south for equal rights was done, for the most part, by Christians. Today, the only religious group that bans books, movies, music, television shows, and burns books publicly are the Christians. The last time that this was done in the world is when it was done by Hitler. The Christians know this too. But they refuse to admit it. When someone refuses to join the Christian movement they are called, by the Christians a sinner and that they work for the Devil. And this castigation is made regardless of whether the person being accused believes in the Devil (whatever that is) or not. Thus, by that accusation the Christians then set themselves up as being superior to other faiths, and thus cast a shadow of disparagement on all those who are not of their religion. The Jews do the same thing in what is known as the Orthodoxy. But their role has never been equaled to that of the Christian movement. This is something that most Christians refuse to admit to. My complaint is not at Christians… for the sake of being Christian. Regardless of how my delineation of posts have presented themselves. My point is simple. The Christian movement, being the largest in the world, built primarily off of very distorted letters and commentaries by followers of jesus… have come to a point where censorship and disparagement are part of their daily way of life. And this sets up a double standard between their faith and anyone else of another faith. True… There are other faiths that cast aspersions on those not of their faith. But merely because these other faiths do this is no excuse for the Christians doing it. And yet, when confronted about their behavior the Christians invariably say that it’s okay for them to disparage other faiths because the other faiths disparage them… So just because someone goes and jumps off a cliff, it’s okay for everyone else to do the same. To point out this disparagement, the Christians sing about marching to war, as soldiers, carrying the cross of jesus before them. Thus, when they sing this song, they then invoke the battle mentality, and/or mind set, whereby they are, at the very least, more likely to be confrontational regarding their views versus anyone else’s. This can be clearly seen in how the supporters of Christianity, and Christians have been constantly attacking me, rather than admitting to anything. To put things in perspective, I am a Jew. But I do not support Israel and the killing that they do. I take full responsibility for the killing that the Jews have done, and the lies that they have told. I, while a member in good standing of my temple, do not attend temple for the simple reason that most of the members there are more concerned with going to be be seen than they are with going to grow spiritually. And this is something that is very much a part of many of the religions in the nation at this time. Most religions no longer are concerned with spiritual growth, in as much as they are concerned with political gains, personal gains, and money. This goes for every religion that I have seen lately… Just one view of it… I don’t expect much agreement on this by anyone… For the most part, the US has become overtly greedy and selfish these days. With every religion trying to get one up on the other religions, at any cost. This behavior is more than detrimental to our way of life in this country. But that again, is my view, and most will not agree with it. See, in my neighborhood, things are a bit different than the life that the Christians preach about…. See, I counsel some of the neighborhood girls. I do so because their parents do crack cocaine… and quite often beat the girls. Our human services in Ohio is fairly poor, with Ohio being one of 21 states what taxes the working poor (USA Today, MSNBC 4/17/98). So while these conditions exist here in the poorest section of Cleveland, there is little that the system can do when it is over taxed, and short of funds due to how selfish people have become lately. So many of the children that come to our home come there for safety, quiet and some peace from the turmoil that they have to live in. And some of these children go to Christian schools… while their parents might beat them, and treat them poorly. I am not the end all as far as views in the world. But I have lived 47 years in a number of states around the country. I have spent time with Native American Indians, and have been homeless at one point. Coming from a very wealthy family, I’ve gone through a number of adjustments regarding my status, and my life. I know that there will be at least five or six people who will rush to attack me, castigate me, accuse me, and tell lies about me. They will call me names and put me down. They will be rude and condescending… And they will do this, so it would appear, in order to impress others with how smart they think that they are. I am me… Not a genius. I am just one woman who tries to make sense out of a world where the Christian ethic dominates the world scene with hate and violence. In Ireland both the Catholics and the Protestants are using violence to kill each other, and have for years. And they have done this while going to church and listening to sermons about how it is wrong to kill. Doesn’t make much sense. Oh, I forgot… Those who will attack me will accuse me of rambling, being stupid, being a mental case, being a liar, a cheat, a whore… and worse… I know that this is how these people who read me treat me… When I write a post such as this with kindness they will in turn treat me with hate… And they will then turn the tables and accuse me of hate and bigotry for writing this post. And the funny thing is that most of the usenet will believe these people in what they say about me, before they will believe me in what I say about myself…. And that’s okay… Truly… I am writing this post for those who choose to read it, and who choose to hear me… For those who do not hear me… or who choose to take this post as an opportunity to attack me… I would say… why, when given the chance to discuss would you choose to attack? Why? Why attack when you can discuss… ? Be Well… Nicole Maschke (aka) J.M.Windgate The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html … read more »
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Nicole Maschke continues to spew: That’s not the point, honey. You didn’t address issue: WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 11 COLONIES, ALSO FILLED WITH CHRISTIANS & CHRISTIAN BELIEF? IF SLAVERY WAS SUCH A MAJOR DOCTRINE IN THEIR BELIEFS, WHY DIDN’T THE OTHER 11 COLONIES INSIST ON SLAVERY AS WELL? HMMMMMMMMMMM….? Out of the entire 13 colonies there were only 4 people who set their slaves free at the time the Declaration was signed. They were, John Adams, Ben Franklyn, Thomas Jefferson, and James Lee. The rest of the good Christians of the 13 colonies believed that owning slaves was a Christian right. At least, when given the chance to set them free, the majority of the Christians at the time refused to do so. Additionally, the mass majority of the Christians in the United States, up through the Emancipation Proclomation, refused to set their slaves free.
The mass majority of Christians owned slaves? Can you prove that? The North finally relented due to a major ideological and theological shift from the Christians in the South.
Yeah. All those Christians up North started supporting emancipation. The Christians in the south refused to set their slaves free. Most of the Christians in the north set their slaves free… but some kept theirs.
What about all of the non-Christians? How come you don’t say much about them? The point is that up until 1865, the majority of the Christian population believed that it was the Christian thing to do to own slaves and to abuse them by taking their culture, and their children.
The majority of the Christian population? Care to support that? Charles Spurgeon, Britain’s most famous preacher, preached adamantly against slavery. Patrick Henry opposed it as well. While Thomas Jefferson, hardly a Christian, owned slaves. Go figure. — Religious Freedom Home Page: http://www.mindspring.com/~careyb/rframe.html | Usenet Wisdom | "Or the President can use his constitutional powers to defeat the opposition as Bill Clinton has been doing. That is why you hate him so. It makes you bleed from the anus." – Jim Kennemur, combining his favorite fetish with political opinion "They approved of Amendment I, too, huh? Amendment I, the one regarding representation, huh?" – Jim Alison, acting stupid
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}Fact: every single day between 3 and 5 members of the gay }community are killed by Christians in the United States…. Normally I would demand proof of this outlandish claim, but since this from Nicole, who never backs up *any* claims she makes, The statistic comes from the hate crime unit of the FBI, from the violent crime report of 1996 and 1997. There’s the source for the statistic. So you have lied. I do back up things…
Well, she has you there, Mitchell. She *does* back up things. Of course, in this case, it’s "backed up" with an entirely fabricated "source," but at least it’s "backed up." You’ve got to sort of respect someone who will tell *two* bald-faced lies as readily as one. — From the catapult of J.D. Baldwin |+| "If anyone disagrees with anything I _|70|___:::)=}- for PGP public |+| retract it, but also to deny under / key information. |+| oath that I ever said it." –T. Lehrer
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – } } }Fact: every single day between 3 and 5 members of the gay }community are killed by Christians in the United States…. Normally I would demand proof of this outlandish claim, but since this from Nicole, who never backs up *any* claims she makes, I will refrain. Just an — Greetings…. The statistic comes from the hate crime unit of the FBI, from the violent crime report of 1996 and 1997. There’s the source for the statistic. So you have lied. I do back up things… Be Well… Nicole Maschke (aka) J.M.Windgate The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html Land Mail: P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 AOL Instant Messenger: JNWindgate The mind is like a book. Open and much is learned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of life… US department of Justice FBI Report. Http://.fbi.gov/publish.htm Page 5. Hate Crime Statistics 1996. "Twelve persons were murdered in 1996 in incidents motivated by hate. Racial bias motivated the highest number of these murders, eight. Bias against Hispanics served for 2 of the twelve homicides, while sexual orientation bias motivated the remaining 2.(See Table 4)" The hate crime report is only for 1996. There is not a report published yet for 1997. You are a liar. A huge liar. But then you really troll and bate. I wrote two months ago that you should renounce the christian religon and then you began too. Humerous babe, up the medication, you’ll feel better.
– Greetings…. My, My… How polite. If you do not believe the figures that I gave you, which came to me from the FBI here in Cleveland, Ohio, then that’s a problem between you and them. Not between you and I. Secondly, let’s be clear here. Those who are not members of the gay community have no vested interest in establishing the hate crime index. For those who are not members of the gay community, the killings of gays that are done, is just another statistic. For those who are members of the gay community, the numbers are not statistics, but signals of how to gauge their political involvement to acquire the same equal rights that other Americans have, that, for the most part, they do not have. Mr. Hanson is quick to judge me, and to accuse me of being a troll and a liar. It almost sounds as if he is saying that unless he claims it to be fact, that it is not fact, no matter who is saying it. If that is the case, then I find that Mr. Hanson would be an unfortunate person. For he seems more bent on castigating me, and casting aspersions at me than he does with debating the issues of hate crimes in the United States, which the New York Times reported last month to be on the rise in the United States. So while Mr. Hanson says that only 12 people out of millions where killed of hate crimes in 1996, I must say that is quite bizarre. For in Ohio we had at least 15 hate crimes in the past year… Like I said, Mr. Hanson seems more interested in castigating me, and in being rude than he does in finding truth. For I am reporting only that which has been reported to me. I hope that Mr. Hanson finds peace in his life and finds a way to live with others without always having to be right. I mean being right only counts in life. Once you’re dead it no longer matters. Be Well… Nicole Maschke (aka) J.M.Windgate The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html Land Mail: P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 AOL Instant Messenger: JNWindgate The mind is like a book. Open and much is learned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of life…
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – US department of Justice FBI Report. Http://www.fbi.gov/publish.htm Page 5. Hate Crime Statistics 1996. "Twelve persons were murdered in 1996 in incidents motivated by hate. Racial bias motivated the highest number of these murders, eight. Bias against Hispanics served for 2 of the twelve homicides, while sexual orientation bias motivated the remaining 2.(See Table 4)" The hate crime report is only for 1996. There is not a report published yet for 1997. You are a liar. A huge liar. But then you really troll and bate. I wrote two months ago that you should renounce the christian religon and then you began too. Humerous babe, up the medication, you’ll feel better. — Greetings…. My, My… How polite. If you do not believe the figures that I gave you, which came to me from the FBI here in Cleveland, Ohio, then that’s a problem between you and them. Not between you and I. This is intellectual dishonesty. The source I gave is the FBI. Those are the statistics. Secondly, let’s be clear here. Those who are not members of the gay community have no vested interest in establishing the hate crime index. For those who are not members of the gay community, the killings of gays that are done, is just another statistic. That would be the one you made up….. For those who are members of the gay community, the numbers are not statistics, but signals of how to gauge their political involvement to acquire the same equal rights that other Americans have, that, for the most part, they do not have. Yours are not just statistics babe they are fabrications. I realize that statistics can lie but the body count was 2. At 3 a day that would be 1095. Apparentlly your number is off by a little. This would be a fabrication. Frabricated means to invent. You fabricated. You are now trying to say I pointed it out to be mean, that’s a redirection. Not a good one but a redirection. Mr. Hanson is quick to judge me, and to accuse me of being a troll and a liar. It wasn’t quick babe. I went to the FBI page looked up publications and found the Hate Crime Statistics for 1996. Then downloaded the Adobe file and read it. All in all I spent oh, call it 30 minutes finding out you, yet again fabricated numbers to back up your ravings. So please don’t say I was quick to judge you, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and checked your source. I don’t know why I bothered, you won’t even approach the fact that you lied. You will just say I’m being mean. It almost sounds as if he is saying that unless he claims it to be fact, that it is not fact, no matter who is saying it. I didn’t just claim it to be a fact babe, I proved that yours was a fabrication and gave the web site to check it. Http://www.fbi.gov/publish.htm You may find it hard to beleive but it is possible to argue with real honest statistics. When you do that people don’t think of you as an imbecile. If that is the case, then I find that Mr. Hanson would be an unfortunate person. For he seems more bent on castigating me, and casting aspersions at me than he does with debating the issues of hate crimes in the United States, which the New York Times reported last month to be on the rise in the United States. So while Mr. Hanson says that only 12 people out of millions where killed of hate crimes in 1996, I must say that is quite bizarre. I’ll try to type slower babe, the Hate Crime Report for 1996 published the number twelve. So apparentlly the FBI beleives that is the number. But of course you have knowledge of murders they don’t like your three assailints? For in Ohio we had at least 15 hate crimes in the past year… Like I said, Mr. Hanson seems more interested in castigating me, and in being rude than he does in finding truth. What an idiot. Ohio had something like, now I’m going from memory here so I may be off but, 400+ hate crimes. For I am reporting only that which has been reported to me. I hope that Mr. Hanson finds peace in his life and finds a way to live with others without always having to be right. I mean being right only counts in life. Once you’re dead it no longer matters. So you will admit I’m right but will argue that the point is not to use real statistics but that Hate crimes are bad?? That’s not an argument bozo. An argument is when both sides have the facts and disagree at the interpitation of the facts. You lied to make your rants seem bigger or badder, who knows. Maybe triple your medication. The mind is like a book. Open and much is learned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of life… Maybe if you went and retrieved a book and possibly read it and didn’t fabricate your stories but actually had a real source this could be true for you. It should go: The mind is like a blank page. Write something down and some moron will take it as gospel. If they question you, deny everything and redirect…
– Greetings…. Mr. Hanson shows us clearly that he is so insecure that he will say and do anything in order to be ‘always’ right. If you are so feeble minded and so insecure… then okay… you’re right… (even though I am satisfied with the references that I have… ) Be Well… Nicole Maschke (aka) J.M.Windgate The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html Land Mail: P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 AOL Instant Messenger: JNWindgate The mind is like a book. Open and much is learned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of life…
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Nicole Maschke wants us to think she’s really stupid: This is type of typical response. "… can you prove that…".
Yeah. Imagine asking for evidence of your silly claims. It’s common knowledge that the mass majority of settlers in the colonies were Christian.
Okay… It’s common knowledge, from the historical record, that the only four people who gave up their slaves when the declaration was signed, of those who owned slaves, were Franklin, Jefferson, Adams and Lee.
Granted, but note that Jefferson was not a Christian, yet he owned slaves and drafted legislation against homosexuality. This means that the bulk of the other people who owned slaves where either Christian or agnostic. But, from the historical texts at the time, the amount of agnostics in the colonies was very little. Thus, the amount of the slave owners were, for the most part Christian.
Probably. But you’re forgetting that not everyone who was Christian owned slaves, or believed it was right to own slaves. The above post that I am responding to here is just another attempt by a Christian to deny any wrong doing what-so-ever at all.
You’re lying again, but that’s nothing new. Slavery was wrong. Christians did it. They know it, whether they admit it or not. And the Christians who followed George Wallace and stoned and shot at US soldiers who tried to grant safe passage to Blacks in the south for equal rights was done, for the most part, by Christians.
That sentence is a redundancy, and completely unsubstantiated. Today, the only religious group that bans books, movies, music, television shows, and burns books publicly are the Christians.
Let’s see, the gays protested _Basic Instinct_, the gays and the feminists also spoke out against _The Lion King_, and the radical feminists are every bit as intent upon banning pornography as Ralph Reed. Maybe more so. Time to revise and extend your remarks. — Religious Freedom Home Page: http://www.mindspring.com/~careyb/rframe.html | Usenet Wisdom | "Or the President can use his constitutional powers to defeat the opposition as Bill Clinton has been doing. That is why you hate him so. It makes you bleed from the anus." – Jim Kennemur, combining his favorite fetish with political opinion "They approved of Amendment I, too, huh? Amendment I, the one regarding representation, huh?" – Jim Alison, acting stupid
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The statistic comes from the hate crime unit of the FBI, from the violent crime report of 1996 and 1997. There’s the source for the statistic. So you have lied. I do back up things… Well, she has you there, Mitchell. She *does* back up things. Of course, in this case, it’s "backed up" with an entirely fabricated "source," but at least it’s "backed up." You’ve got to sort of respect someone who will tell *two* bald-faced lies as readily as one. [trimmed] The castigation and the hate that you are demonstrating against me with your posts only matters in life. For once I am dead, like my mother is now… then your hate will no longer matter.
If you’ve mistaken the above for "hate" and "castigation," then you’re probably too sensitive a soul to hang out on Usenet. But if you insist, please trim down quoted text to which you’re responding. An afternoon perusing news.announce.newusers would probably be a good idea. For those who know me no further explanation is necessary. For those who do not understand no further explanation will suffice.
Now *this* I’m prepared to believe. — From the catapult of J.D. Baldwin |+| "If anyone disagrees with anything I _|70|___:::)=}- for PGP public |+| retract it, but also to deny under / key information. |+| oath that I ever said it." –T. Lehrer
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – } } }Fact: every single day between 3 and 5 members of the gay }community are killed by Christians in the United States…. Normally I would demand proof of this outlandish claim, but since this from Nicole, who never backs up *any* claims she makes, I will refrain. Just an — Greetings…. The statistic comes from the hate crime unit of the FBI, from the violent
crime report of 1996 and 1997. There’s the source for the statistic. So you have lied. I do back up things… Be Well… Nicole Maschke (aka) J.M.Windgate The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html Land Mail: P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 AOL Instant Messenger: JNWindgate The mind is like a book. Open and much is learned. Closed and nothing is
learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of life…
US department of Justice FBI Report. Http://.fbi.gov/publish.htm Page 5. Hate Crime Statistics 1996. "Twelve persons were murdered in 1996 in incidents motivated by hate. Racial bias motivated the highest number of these murders, eight. Bias against Hispanics served for 2 of the twelve homicides, while sexual orientation bias motivated the remaining 2.(See Table 4)" The hate crime report is only for 1996. There is not a report published yet for 1997. You are a liar. A huge liar. But then you really troll and bate. I wrote two months ago that you should renounce the christian religon and then you began too. Humerous babe, up the medication, you’ll feel better.
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Nicole Maschke needs counsel: Leave alone the fact that you haven’t linked a belief in slavery to Christian faith.
Perhaps the widely known and still not revoked Papal Bull that defines who is and is not a human might help resolve this issue and clear up the questions just a bit? Oh goodie,.. I knew we could get a consensus if we refered to widely known and accepted history and historical documents! Now my question… "Can troops change uniform on the field of battle when they become aware of the probable outcome?" :_DDD Obwon
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US department of Justice FBI Report. Http://.fbi.gov/publish.htm Page 5. Hate Crime Statistics 1996.
Correction: Http://www.fbi.gov/publish.htm "Twelve persons were murdered in 1996 in incidents motivated by hate. Racial bias motivated the highest number of these murders, eight. Bias against Hispanics served for 2 of the twelve homicides, while sexual orientation bias motivated the remaining 2.(See Table 4)" The hate crime report is only for 1996. There is not a report published yet for 1997. You are a liar. A huge liar. But then you really troll and bate. I wrote two months ago that you should renounce the christian religon and then you began too. Humerous babe, up the medication, you’ll feel better.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – }Fact: every single day between 3 and 5 members of the gay }community are killed by Christians in the United States…. Normally I would demand proof of this outlandish claim, but since this from Nicole, who never backs up *any* claims she makes, The statistic comes from the hate crime unit of the FBI, from the violent crime report of 1996 and 1997. There’s the source for the statistic. So you have lied. I do back up things… Well, she has you there, Mitchell. She *does* back up things. Of course, in this case, it’s "backed up" with an entirely fabricated "source," but at least it’s "backed up." You’ve got to sort of respect someone who will tell *two* bald-faced lies as readily as one. — From the catapult of J.D. Baldwin |+| "If anyone disagrees with anything I _|70|___:::)=}- for PGP public |+| retract it, but also to deny under / key information. |+| oath that I ever said it." –T. Lehrer
– Greetings…. The castigation and the hate that you are demonstrating against me with your posts only matters in life. For once I am dead, like my mother is now… then your hate will no longer matter. For those who know me no further explanation is necessary. For those who do not understand no further explanation will suffice. Be Well… Nicole Maschke (aka) J.M.Windgate The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html Land Mail: P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 AOL Instant Messenger: JNWindgate The mind is like a book. Open and much is learned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of life…
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nicole Maschke is in praise of ignorance: Brian Carey is being stupid as usual. Nicole is being as friendly as usual. All anyone has to do to verify that N and S Caolina demanded is to read the historical references of the First Continental Congress on the Drafting of the Declaration of Independence. And by reading that reference one will find that North Carolina spoke for both N and S Carolina. And that the leading member from North Carolina took objection to the line in the Declaration that Jefferson had put in whereby slavery would be abolished. In a stunning 9 hour debate John Adams and the member from North Carolina argued about the matter. Finally, the next day, on July 3, 1776, with Adams not wanting to relent… Jefferson spoke up that he wrote the line, not Adams. And Jefferson then went to the podium and struck the lines from the Declaration, in order so that the nation would have a declaration. And with that, the founding fathers gave in to the extortion that the christians of North and South Carolina put on this nation. As soon as the lines were struck, Adams rushed to the podium and then grabbed the declaration and pushed it into the face of the member from North Carolina… and said… "… There… you have your slaves…". That’s not the point, honey. You didn’t address issue: WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 11 COLONIES, ALSO FILLED WITH CHRISTIANS & CHRISTIAN BELIEF? IF SLAVERY WAS SUCH A MAJOR DOCTRINE IN THEIR BELIEFS, WHY DIDN’T THE OTHER 11 COLONIES INSIST ON SLAVERY AS WELL? HMMMMMMMMMMM….? It’s all part of the record of the transpiring events. But Carey, a die hard for hate and one who proclaims that his jesus cult never does anything wrong, refuses to take any responsibility for the hate that N and S Carolina showed this nation by extorting the issue of being able to keep slaves … I see you are still very bitter and spiteful against Christians. I’ll be praying for you. — Religious Freedom Home Page: http://www.mindspring.com/~careyb/rframe.html | Usenet Wisdom | "Or the President can use his constitutional powers to defeat the opposition as Bill Clinton has been doing. That is why you hate him so. It makes you bleed from the anus." – Jim Kennemur, combining his favorite fetish with political opinion "They approved of Amendment I, too, huh? Amendment I, the one regarding representation, huh?" – Jim Alison, acting stupid
– Greetings…. Out of the entire 13 colonies there were only 4 people who set their slaves free at the time the Declaration was signed. They were, John Adams, Ben Franklyn, Thomas Jefferson, and James Lee. The rest of the good Christians of the 13 colonies believed that owning slaves was a Christian right. At least, when given the chance to set them free, the majority of the Christians at the time refused to do so. Additionally, the mass majority of the Christians in the United States, up through the Emancipation Proclomation, refused to set their slaves free. The North finally relented due to a major ideological and theological shift from the Christians in the South. The Christians in the south refused to set their slaves free. Most of the Christians in the north set their slaves free… but some kept theirs. The point is that up until 1865, the majority of the Christian population believed that it was the Christian thing to do to own slaves and to abuse them by taking their culture, and their children. And this hatred of the Blacks continued in the South through the 1950’s when Governor George Wallace declared war on the Blacks and refused, at gun point, to allow any blacks to attend white schools. Wallace, and his followers were Christians and had the support of the Southern Baptists for what they did. I do not hate Christians. My mother was a Christian. I hate what the Christian faith has done in the name of relgion, and does in the name of religion. And I despise what my own faith, Judaism, does in the name of religion. From all that I have seen in my 47 years here on earth, religion has done little other than to polarize the planet, setting people against people. To disparage those who are not of the faith … the Jews hate the Christians, the Christians hate the Jews… The Muslims hate the Jews and the Jews hate the Muslims… I seriously doubt that, if there really is a supreme being, that such a being would want us to act like pigs with our faith in that which is beyond us. The Christians make disaraging remarks about those who are not of their faith… Just as others do. For the Christians to not take responsibility for the hate that they have fostered is wrong… Just as it is wrong for other faiths to do the same… Be Well… Nicole Maschke (aka) J.M.Windgate The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html Land Mail: P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 AOL Instant Messenger: JNWindgate The mind is like a book. Open and much is learned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of life…
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Nicole Maschke is in praise of ignorance: Brian Carey is being stupid as usual.
Nicole is being as friendly as usual. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All anyone has to do to verify that N and S Caolina demanded is to read the historical references of the First Continental Congress on the Drafting of the Declaration of Independence. And by reading that reference one will find that North Carolina spoke for both N and S Carolina. And that the leading member from North Carolina took objection to the line in the Declaration that Jefferson had put in whereby slavery would be abolished. In a stunning 9 hour debate John Adams and the member from North Carolina argued about the matter. Finally, the next day, on July 3, 1776, with Adams not wanting to relent… Jefferson spoke up that he wrote the line, not Adams. And Jefferson then went to the podium and struck the lines from the Declaration, in order so that the nation would have a declaration. And with that, the founding fathers gave in to the extortion that the christians of North and South Carolina put on this nation. As soon as the lines were struck, Adams rushed to the podium and then grabbed the declaration and pushed it into the face of the member from North Carolina… and said… "… There… you have your slaves…".
That’s not the point, honey. You didn’t address issue: WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 11 COLONIES, ALSO FILLED WITH CHRISTIANS & CHRISTIAN BELIEF? IF SLAVERY WAS SUCH A MAJOR DOCTRINE IN THEIR BELIEFS, WHY DIDN’T THE OTHER 11 COLONIES INSIST ON SLAVERY AS WELL? HMMMMMMMMMMM….? It’s all part of the record of the transpiring events. But Carey, a die hard for hate and one who proclaims that his jesus cult never does anything wrong, refuses to take any responsibility for the hate that N and S Carolina showed this nation by extorting the issue of being able to keep slaves …
I see you are still very bitter and spiteful against Christians. I’ll be praying for you. — Religious Freedom Home Page: http://www.mindspring.com/~careyb/rframe.html | Usenet Wisdom | "Or the President can use his constitutional powers to defeat the opposition as Bill Clinton has been doing. That is why you hate him so. It makes you bleed from the anus." – Jim Kennemur, combining his favorite fetish with political opinion "They approved of Amendment I, too, huh? Amendment I, the one regarding representation, huh?" – Jim Alison, acting stupid
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … Ah. So it was their Christian beliefs that taught them that. Forget about the fact that you haven’t even supported your silly statement that NC & SC demanded such a thing. Disregard for a moment the fact that you haven’t proved how it was the Christians who forced NC & SC to demand such a thing. Leave alone the fact that you haven’t linked a belief in slavery to Christian faith. Read Jefferson Davis’ History Of The Confederacy for an overview of the Christian justification for slavery. Davis, of course, was not an original thinker on this matter, but was repeating the commonly held belief in the Slave States.
Thanks for completely dodging the point, Eric. What about all of those other Christians, dominating and influential in the other 11 colonies? And are you really stupid enough to believe that everyone who says something is part of the Christian belief system is telling the truth? Why don’t you do some of your own homework? — Religious Freedom Home Page: http://www.mindspring.com/~careyb/rframe.html | Usenet Wisdom | "Or the President can use his constitutional powers to defeat the opposition as Bill Clinton has been doing. That is why you hate him so. It makes you bleed from the anus." – Jim Kennemur, combining his favorite fetish with political opinion "They approved of Amendment I, too, huh? Amendment I, the one regarding representation, huh?" – Jim Alison, acting stupid
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} } }Fact: every single day between 3 and 5 members of the gay }community are killed by Christians in the United States…. Normally I would demand proof of this outlandish claim, but since this from Nicole, who never backs up *any* claims she makes, I will refrain. Just an
– Greetings…. The statistic comes from the hate crime unit of the FBI, from the violent crime report of 1996 and 1997. There’s the source for the statistic. So you have lied. I do back up things… Be Well… Nicole Maschke (aka) J.M.Windgate The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html Land Mail: P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 AOL Instant Messenger: JNWindgate The mind is like a book. Open and much is learned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of life…
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ah. So it was their Christian beliefs that taught them that. Forget about the fact that you haven’t even supported your silly statement that NC & SC demanded such a thing. Disregard for a moment the fact that you haven’t proved how it was the Christians who forced NC & SC to demand such a thing. Leave alone the fact that you haven’t linked a belief in slavery to Christian faith. Finally, wholly throw out the notion that the other 11 colonies, also filled with Christians, by your own admission (or ignorance), didn’t even demand such a thing. Now, you would think that Nicole might develop a more balanced analysis of Christianity if she considered for even a fraction of a second the fact that these other 11 colonies, also filled with Christians, didn’t insist on having slavery as a condition of signing the DOI. But alas, if Nicole opened her mind up enough to consider such a thing and unburden herself of some of her anti-Christian hatred, then she wouldn’t be able to have as much fun wallowing in her mindless bigotry.
– Greetings…. Brian Carey is being stupid as usual. All anyone has to do to verify that N and S Caolina demanded is to read the historical references of the First Continental Congress on the Drafting of the Declaration of Independence. And by reading that reference one will find that North Carolina spoke for both N and S Carolina. And that the leading member from North Carolina took objection to the line in the Declaration that Jefferson had put in whereby slavery would be abolished. In a stunning 9 hour debate John Adams and the member from North Carolina argued about the matter. Finally, the next day, on July 3, 1776, with Adams not wanting to relent… Jefferson spoke up that he wrote the line, not Adams. And Jefferson then went to the podium and struck the lines from the Declaration, in order so that the nation would have a declaration. And with that, the founding fathers gave in to the extortion that the christians of North and South Carolina put on this nation. As soon as the lines were struck, Adams rushed to the podium and then grabbed the declaration and pushed it into the face of the member from North Carolina… and said… "… There… you have your slaves…". It’s all part of the record of the transpiring events. But Carey, a die hard for hate and one who proclaims that his jesus cult never does anything wrong, refuses to take any responsibility for the hate that N and S Carolina showed this nation by extorting the issue of being able to keep slaves … The jesus cult, in them, had apparently condoned them for owning human beings and treating them like garbage… raping their women, stealing their children, and denying them their culture. Of course Carey will not have any proof that this did not happen. I, on the other hand, have provided clear and accurate proof of the source. Thus, while Carey and the other nerds want to accuse of me things, remember that I said that they would do this. I said that the jesus cult would attack me, and do whatever they could to discredit me … And that they would do this in order to not take responsibility for the hate that their jesus cult has showed this nation… My mother, now at peace finally, was a devout Catholic, with the exception that she married a Jew. And I was raised knowing both faiths… I am not impressed with how the jesus cult has used lies and all sorts of abstractions to force their views on others… Be Well… Nicole Maschke (aka) J.M.Windgate The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html Land Mail: P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 AOL Instant Messenger: JNWindgate The mind is like a book. Open and much is learned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of life…
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… Ah. So it was their Christian beliefs that taught them that. Forget about the fact that you haven’t even supported your silly statement that NC & SC demanded such a thing. Disregard for a moment the fact that you haven’t proved how it was the Christians who forced NC & SC to demand such a thing. Leave alone the fact that you haven’t linked a belief in slavery to Christian faith.
Read Jefferson Davis’ History Of The Confederacy for an overview of the Christian justification for slavery. Davis, of course, was not an original thinker on this matter, but was repeating the commonly held belief in the Slave States. — Dialogue Of The Week: EvW: Now, are you interested in eliminating graft, or just graft given to Democrats? MK: I want to just do the Democrats.
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Nicole Maschke needs counsel: Fact: The Christians of North and South Carolina refused to sign the Declaration of Independence unless they could keep their slaves. Thus, their religious teachings taught them that it was okay to own black people as animals, to rape their women, violate their families and beat them to death.
Ah. So it was their Christian beliefs that taught them that. Forget about the fact that you haven’t even supported your silly statement that NC & SC demanded such a thing. Disregard for a moment the fact that you haven’t proved how it was the Christians who forced NC & SC to demand such a thing. Leave alone the fact that you haven’t linked a belief in slavery to Christian faith. Finally, wholly throw out the notion that the other 11 colonies, also filled with Christians, by your own admission (or ignorance), didn’t even demand such a thing. Now, you would think that Nicole might develop a more balanced analysis of Christianity if she considered for even a fraction of a second the fact that these other 11 colonies, also filled with Christians, didn’t insist on having slavery as a condition of signing the DOI. But alas, if Nicole opened her mind up enough to consider such a thing and unburden herself of some of her anti-Christian hatred, then she wouldn’t be able to have as much fun wallowing in her mindless bigotry. — Religious Freedom Home Page: http://www.mindspring.com/~careyb/rframe.html | Usenet Wisdom | "They approved of Amendment I, too, huh? Amendment I, the one regarding representation, huh?" – Jim Alison, acting stupid "What is ‘a procedure that is done at the begining of a pregnancy’? I always thought that was called ‘fucking’. Did Ohio try to ban that?" – Zepp, with some enlightenment regarding human physiology
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} } }Fact: every single day between 3 and 5 members of the gay }community are killed by Christians in the United States….
Normally I would demand proof of this outlandish claim, but since this from Nicole, who never backs up *any* claims she makes, I will refrain. Just an
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— Greetings…. Fact: The Christians of North and South Carolina refused to sign the Declaration of Independence unless they could keep their slaves. Thus, their religious teachings taught them that it was okay to own black people as animals, to rape their women, violate their families and beat them to death.
Teachings? Really, which ones exactly, the only place they talk about slavery that I remember is the old testament, but I’m willing to admit I don’t it all. Fact: It was the Christians of the South who stoned Benjamin Bittman when he demonstrated for equal rights for Blacks in the 50’s… It was not the Jews who did this… It was the Christians.
Fact: Just a short time ago Jewish soldiers shot some Palestians. Just a short time ago a Jewish man shot the leader of Isreal before he accidentally made peace with the muslims, he did it for religous reasons. Fact: It was the Christians of the South who refused to allow Blacks to vote and to go to school with whites, until the Army was called in and forced them to do this. There were riots as the Christians tried to kill the members of the army and the blacks for forcing them to treat blacks with equal rights.
Beruit? Fact: It is the Christians of the United States who have said that they are in a "holy war for the soul of America" … it’s not the Jews who say this… It’s the Christians…. Fact: The Christians sing the song "… Onwards Christians Soldiers marching as to war… with the cross of Jesus going on before…" So the Christians sing a battle song when they worship their supposed leader.
You still didn’t look up where that song came from babe. Fact: the new testiment is nothing more than letters and commentaries on the Old Testiment. Thus, the Christians have stolen the Old Testiment to claim as their own, and have re-written as if they, and they alone know the mind of a god that is beyond human comprehension.
Hypocrite. Prove what the New Testament says is false. Fact: every single day between 3 and 5 members of the gay community are killed by Christians in the United States…. Be Well…
You are a liar. You made this number up you fool, did you think you could just put numbers up there that weren’t true. Oh yea, of course you did, you actually think your intelligent therefore if we aren’t as smart as you we must be real dumb. The mind is like a book. Open and much is learned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of life…
Judging from your postings, I would be amazed if you read much.
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– Greetings…. Fact: The Christians of North and South Carolina refused to sign the Declaration of Independence unless they could keep their slaves. Thus, their religious teachings taught them that it was okay to own black people as animals, to rape their women, violate their families and beat them to death. Fact: It was the Christians of the South who stoned Benjamin Bittman when he demonstrated for equal rights for Blacks in the 50’s… It was not the Jews who did this… It was the Christians. Fact: It was the Christians of the South who refused to allow Blacks to vote and to go to school with whites, until the Army was called in and forced them to do this. There were riots as the Christians tried to kill the members of the army and the blacks for forcing them to treat blacks with equal rights. Fact: It is the Christians of the United States who have said that they are in a "holy war for the soul of America" … it’s not the Jews who say this… It’s the Christians…. Fact: The Christians sing the song "… Onwards Christians Soldiers marching as to war… with the cross of Jesus going on before…" So the Christians sing a battle song when they worship their supposed leader. Fact: the new testiment is nothing more than letters and commentaries on the Old Testiment. Thus, the Christians have stolen the Old Testiment to claim as their own, and have re-written as if they, and they alone know the mind of a god that is beyond human comprehension. Fact: every single day between 3 and 5 members of the gay community are killed by Christians in the United States…. Be Well… Nicole Maschke (aka) J.M.Windgate The Phoenix: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmwindgate/phoenix.html Land Mail: P.O. Box 602696, Cleveland, Ohio 44102 ICQ: 439028 AOL Instant Messenger: JNWindgate The mind is like a book. Open and much is learned. Closed and nothing is learned. Open your mind and drink in the wonders of life…
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