The Fairy Tale "Prince Charles of Wales"

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Celeste P.S. And remember God’s warning to all the nations, Eros is coming (by NO coincidence) on passover 1998, April 10-11. I can only hope you hear this.

Let’s hope Eros brings Agape and Sophia along, we can use all three in this blasted heath.

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[courtesy email...original posted to: alt.adoption] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Path: news!news-master!newsfeed.concentric.net!newshost.comco.com! news.tamu.edu!news.io.com!news.eden.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!160.45.4.4! fu-berlin.de!news.apfel.de!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news- hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!Celesta Newsgroups: alt.adoption Organization: The Adoption Advocacy Newsgroup Lines: 82 NNTP-Posting-Host: slip129-37-189-80.ia.us.ibm.net X-Trace: newssvr05-int.news.prodigy.com 870620815 76134 (None) 129.37.189.80 Here we go….the stage is getting set for the rise of the Anti-Christ. Any one read Joan Beck’s column in Sunday’s paper regarding ? "Forget PR, she’s still a pumpkin, he’s still a frog"…Joan says refering to Camilla and Prince Charles of Wales.

I don’t know, nor do I care, about Joan Beck. She may say whatever her little journalistic heart desires (we do still have the 1st Ammendment, and it still protects you, as well). I’ll remind YOU…once again…the TITLE is: "HRH (His Royal Highness), Charles, Prince of Wales" It’s NOT "Prince Charles OF Wales" — that little comma is very important and creates a definite distinction between the two. I’ll wager that, not to mention the fact his name is CHARLES PHILLIP ARTHUR GEORGE WINDSOR, makes mincemeat out of the numerologist theory of 666 no matter which way you try to cook it… Her point is that, no amount of PR magic can make "Camilla" more beautiful in time for her public appearances which will begin in September.

Camilla P-B is as British as they come…and just as beautiful to many in her own charming way. At the present time, the public seems to feel she’s just ducky. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Last two sentences in the 7th paragraph of Joan’s column states: "the Prince has decided he wants to marry his mistress. But he doesn’t want to give up his kingdom". Now how is Charles going to pull this off the magic trick and win the public’s approval and acceptance? With the help of Satan’s plot, that’s how. I wonder if Joan realizes that in her column she gave away the keys to Camilla and Charles future rise to world popularity and fame like never before in all Charles history as the Prince of Wales? The keys that will cause the whole world to discover a whole new love for "Prince Dullness" and his future Princess Camilla, and cause Diana to be cast as the ugly "bad witch". The keys came in the eighth and second to the last paragraphs which I will quote here: In the 8th paragraph it states: "There is this big problem, you see. The ruler of the prince’s kingdom is also the head of the established church, which doesn’t approve of the remarriage of divorced people. When he is crowned, he must swear to defend that faith". Next Joan fills in her central theme with how Charles brings in PR magicians to work a miracle in convincing the public his royal mistress is the "beautiful princess" and ultimate true hero and "star" of the of the this royal romantic tale. What Joan may not know is that Charles began his work in performing miracles and transformations long before this, not by transforming Camilla into a princess, but in transforming "the faith" to his liking:

King Henry VIII did that…started the Church of England, in fact — just so his first wife, Catherine of Aragon – A CATHOLIC – could be sent away. Dear old Henry was much nastier that Chucky…had so many lovely ladies beheaded, you know. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Islamic spirituality and the decline of the West", From the Prince’s speech, December 15, 1996 <http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/rabin.html. Second to last paragraph: "The prince and his royal mistress are planning to start appearing in public together in September. The prince is also saying that when he becomes king, he wants to be "defender of faith," not "defender of the faith" and, what the heck, half of the marriages in the country break up, so what’s so terrible about a divorce. Never mind the adultery and deception." Joan isn’t suggesting that the secular, "polictially correct" world isn’t capable of forgetting about Charle’s "adultery and deceptions"? To answer that question all we have to do is look at America’s elected king…President Clinton. Any time it suits this idolotrous generation’s growing and increasing desires to win tolerance and acceptance of pagan sexual morality and practices, and seeking a return to Greek mythological belief systems, believe it…these whores of whoredoms are able to overlook anything, even make adultery and deception into the most forgivable of sins, perhaps even make it seem righteous when "the end justifies the means".

Hold everything…have you not stated on these very electronic pages that, yes, YOU have sinned, but since you’ve accepted Christ your sins were washed away and you’re now as pure as the driven snow? Why can’t Prince Chuck do the same? Get your tiny nose out of slimey Pat Robertson’s book of fantasy for a few days…then read Robert Bly’s _The Sibling Society_ … then get back to us and let us know what you think after you finish. We are witnessing before our very eyes how the stage is getting set for the Princes rise to power and authority, and Charle’s motives for launching his attack on Western Judeo Christian faith and culture. An attack which will win the aid and assistance of the "politically correct" agenda, which is the miracle that will transform Camilla from a pumpkin into a beautiful princess better than all the best and high paid PR magicians ever could hope to imagine. Yes, Satan helps his children have whatever they wish, and at what price? The price to be paid is our own soul. Celeste

The obligatory: "Once again, that didn’t require anyone’s permission. If you take a message, any message, alter it slightly and place your own name on it, you are then able to call it yours. No law that says you can’t is there?" Celeste, 04/03/1997 As always, you speak for yourself. Have you thought of signing on as a writer for Conan O’Brian or Jay Leno…SNL could really use your brand of idiocy to pull itself out of the cellar! Patty B… Bastards and Friends…Unite! and Fight! http://www.openadoption.org/ -*- http://www.AdoptiveFam.org CUB: http://www.webnations.com/cub FAS/FAE: http://www.accessone.com/~delindam/ — http://www.nofas.org & http://www.nacd.org/ Int’l Soundex Reunion Registry: PO BOX 2312, Carson City, NV 89702-2312

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And almost like a miracle, after I began a chorus, which then turned into many voices to complain about the system, the system seems to be turning around.

No, silly, it hasn’t been you. Your arrogance is astounding. It’s been the rest of us, the rest of the citizens of Illinois. For those who don’t know the situation in Illinois, a few years back a 3 year old boy named Joseph Wallace was hung by his mother, Amanda. Yes, hung. She had a long history of mental illness and her children were supposed to have been supervised by DCFS. They had been in and out of court with a series of uncaring judges. The DCFS case worker had 75 cases (triple the maximum recommended number) and simply wasn’t able to watch the situation. The threat to the children was well-documented and yet nothing was done in time to save the boy. The public outrage was unlike anything people had seen in recent years. Both major Chicago newspapers led the way on a crusade to fix the system which EVERYONE agreed had broken down. The political pressure on our legislators in Springfield was (for the first time) enormous to fix the state child-care and child-safety system. And it worked. DCFS got new leadership and new money. They hired more case workers and trained them better. Case loads decreased. Supervisors who couldn’t supervise were fired. The Cook County Juvenile Court system was completely reorganized and had new judges assigned. A new information system was put in place to ensure that the judges had the jucicial records on the children when the children were being considered in court. The Cook County Public Guardian’s office became more involved (in truth, they were a lonely voice in the wilderness for many years). The system isn’t perfect, but as the Chicago Tribune acknowledged just the other day, it is considerably better. DCFS seems to work, at least somewhat. Case workers know the standard and know that people are watching. Judges are more pro-active in considering the best interests of the child. All this was done by hundreds, thousands of concerned people in Illinois. Maybe Celeste was one of those who raised her voice. But she sure as hell wasn’t the leader, and she wasn’t the first one who "began a chorus". What arrogance, Celeste. steve

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Don’t worry, Mary. If C can actually make Prince Charles’ name add up to 666, she can find out anything. I think that she found out what God’s true title for Queen Elizabeth was the night the little blue men came out of the spaceship and gave her the Bible according to Elton John and Michael Jackson. They co-wrote it, then Michael had the little blue men, who live at the Neverland Ranch, speed on over in their little flying saucer and hand-deliver it. I think that book covers the CUB "baby-dumping conspiracy" and God’s True Titles in Chapter 13. It’s titled "Wacko Ideas to Bother Newsgroup Subscribers With." Michelle Goldbach Proud Bastard http://members.aol.com/meeho17/index.html

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Tell me. Do you know what Charle’s son (2nd in line to the throne) William’s ‘title’ is? It’s simply put, "Prince William of Wales" Actually, you’re dead wrong. Prince Charles is the Prince of Wales. There cannot be another Prince of Wales until the current Prince is crowned King of England. Then Prince William, as FIRST in line to the throne, will be invested as Prince of Wales when he is officially declared first in line (="heir") to the throne of England. This has to be done by the current monarch. Check your history, Celeste. Prince Charles was invested as Prince of Wales by Queen Elizabeth, who, by the way, was never Princess of Wales. It’s a title that has always gone to a prince, as far as I know, for traditional reasons.

Actually Celeste is right for once. William is a Prince of Wales as is his brother, Henry, and his father. The children of the Prince of Wales that is the heir to the throne are also given the title of Prince or Princess of Wales. For example, the children of Prince Andrew and Sarah Furgeson are both Princesses of York as their father is the Duke of York. When Charles becmes king (unless he dies before Elizabeth, he will be king, but if he marries Camilla, the House of Lords can block him from ever being crowned), William will be vested as Prince of Wales and Henry will remain a Prince of Wales until Andrew dies and the title of Duke of York becomes vacant. Craig K. Gowens Hook’em Horns Big 12 Baseball page: http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~ckgowens/baseball/big12.html Texas Baseball page: http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~ckgowens/baseball/texas.html "Do you realize that even as we sit here, we are hurtling through space at a tremendous rate of speed? Think about it. Our world is just a hanging curveball." — Bill Lee "Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?" — Jim Bouton

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When Elizabeth was a child because she was a ‘female’ and the Welsh being a tad sexist, she was simply spoken of as ‘Princess Elizabeth’ (though she was "2nd in line to the throne")…had she been a male, her title would have been "Prince [male name] of Wales’. (That WAS her true title in the

Lord’s eyes. "Princess Elizabeth of Wales".) Her son Charles was born when

Gee, I wonder how C knows what God considers Elizabeth’s true title to have been? Is it revealed in the Bible? How can I find out what God’s true title for me is? (remaining idiocy snipped) This is TOO much. Mary Hunt-Scoville Proud Bastard – Bastard Nation Adoptee, Reunited Woofchat: Mom to Abby the lab mix and the kittykids LeRoy, Crash and Radar – our own personal petting zoo! "Almost in every kingdom the most ancien families have been at first princes’ bastards, their worthiest captains, best wits, greatest scholars, bravest spirits in all our annals, have been base [born]." -Robert Burton

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…these whores of whoredoms are able to overlook anything, even make … deception into the most forgivable of sins, perhaps even make it seem righteous when "the end justifies the means". Ron: A brilliant analysis of the NFCA, and defenders of Closed Records in general, but I personally think you go to far when you describe these folks as Satan’s Spawn. Ron How did you manage to connect this with NCFA and Closed Records? That’s not what this is about. I was talking about left-wing political extremists. Celeste

YOU weren’t talking about anything! How quickly that selective memory of yours kicks in, dear…the words above were from JOAN BECK and *quoted* by you. Duh. You do such a lousy job of giving proper credit to the authors you quote, it’s no wonder you get confused — or do you really believe that YOU wrote those words? Patty B… Bastards and Friends…Unite! and Fight! http://www.openadoption.org/ -*- http://www.AdoptiveFam.org CUB: http://www.webnations.com/cub FAS/FAE: http://www.accessone.com/~delindam/ — http://www.nofas.org & http://www.nacd.org/ Int’l Soundex Reunion Registry: PO BOX 2312, Carson City, NV 89702-2312

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"HRH (His Royal Highness), Charles, Prince of Wales"

Patty? Tell me. Do you know what Charle’s son (2nd in line to the throne) William’s ‘title’ is? It’s simply put, "Prince William of Wales". That phoney "HRH" title is a cover up. Charles was not dubbed with this phoney so called ‘title’ until he was 21 (when he became a man) by his mother, Queen Elizabeth. When Elizabeth was a child because she was a ‘female’ and the Welsh being a tad sexist, she was simply spoken of as ‘Princess Elizabeth’ (though she was "2nd in line to the throne")…had she been a male, her title would have been "Prince [male name] of Wales’. (That WAS her true title in the Lord’s eyes. "Princess Elizabeth of Wales".) Her son Charles was born when Elizabeth was still a princess, and he was the next ‘male’ heir ["2nd in line to the throne"], but they waited until he was an adult male before Elizabeth (now Queen) could gave him his so called <chuckle!official title, which according to true royal protocal IS "Prince Charles of Wales". The other day when I was listening to some news about Hong Kong, the announcer when identifying Charles spoke his true title plain "Prince Charles of Wales". (The made up title don’t roll off the tongue well, does it?) In the eyes of the Lord he has been and is "Prince Charles of Wales" from the moment Charles was born. But imagine the Queen’s surprise when Biblical church scholars came to just before that day in November 14, 1968, and warned her. Ut oh! They couldn’t let the whole world uncover ‘this’. Hence they concocted the cover-up. More recently, too further distance themselves from the faith and cover-up the truth of Charles, the Royals went so far at to insult the faith by returning the "stone of destiny"/Throne of David back to Scotland last year, just before Charles gave his proposal for the church’s unfaithfullness and departure from the Word of God, by telling a lie, a false prophesy that there can be "more than one God", that there is no need for strict adherence to the Word, and this would be acceptable to God. ( NOT!) But they aren’t going to get away with it, you see the "His Royal Highness" a phony baloney title any way, since Charles is NEVER going to be a king. The Throne will have to be handed over to it’s Rightful Heir, if Jesus would return. Isn’t this ironic, Charles, a direct decendent if King David, is in competition with Jesus for the Throne? I mean when you realize his (true) title is summed up to 666 in Biblical numerology. Another strange coincidence. Charles was born just after WW2, on November 11, 1948, in the ’sign’ of the "Scorpian", 6 months to the day of the founding of the State of Isreal. The 50th Anniversay of that day comes in May of next year. Then we have the current state of political and world affairs, Charles has a clear motive to tempt the church to ‘commit adultery’ against God, in order to cover up his own adultery in the eyes of the church. No, No Patty. This is ‘plain’ as the nose on our face. Celeste

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I have a great idea, why don’t you try minding your own business? Why are you so quick to see the speck in your brothers eye, and can’t see the log sticking out of your own?

When you become Born-Again, and forgiven all your sins, you have had the log removed by Jesus, and then you become better able judge things and people, between right and wrong, between God’s ways and our ways. (This is in Matt. 7:1-7) The verse’s message from Jesus is that ‘unless we become Born-Again we are blinded to right and wrong, we are walking in darkness and unable to use good judgement to judge sins.’ This is the verse in the KJV that was written 1900 years ago with 3 year old Matthew Mote’s name in it to send a sign to DCFS of their wrong doing. Under full supervision by the DCFS, the boy was mercilessly beaten, sodomized and murdered in Sept of 1994 by his mothers boyfried, while his mother was off one Saturday visiting an older sibling living in a foster home. She left the boy with a man she had only lived with for 2 months, and was making Matthew call him "daddy". All the signs that this boy was in danger were there. The boy was beaten with belts and other objects, had black eyes and bruises all over his body in the weeks preceding his death. People reported this to DCFS. The boy had been the emergency room a number of times. (the word "mote" (by no coincidence) means speck, or particle of dust.) AND YES, the Lord was outraged!!! DCFS was blinded to right and wrong, the case workers had "beams" in their eyes, and did nothing to save Matthew. They had been led to believe that it would be better for Matthew to die living with his mother, then separated and removed from his mother and be adopted to another family. (probably because the boy had ADHD) It was this event that caused God to wake me up to this and begin my fight to do something about it. Shortly after this, I bought a computer and began this journey. I had no idea why or where I was being led, I just was. Now I know that it was God who was directing everything that has been happening in these circumstances. And almost like a miracle, after I began a chorus, which then turned into many voices to complain about the system, the system seems to be turning around. Just the other day, I got e*mail from a fellow evangelist and foster parent, who said that they had given up hope, and began the procedures to adopt from Mexico, and finally after 4 years the system may be ready to terminate the birthparents rights, and they may have a chance to adopt their foster children as well as adopt from Mexico. Many people have written me, and said that my very simple efforts of just speaking about the issues of the foster care system on the internet had made some sort of difference. I really can’t see how I had anything to do with this, and I tell them don’t give me any credit, give God the credit, I am merely one small voice that God has used, he has and is using many other voices. But the system has still far to go in changing, and not nearly enough has been done, they are still delaying permanent placements, children are being removed from homes who are Christians because of their "peculier" beliefs, and now they are placing children out of the system into the homes of practicing homosexuals. Once again, they are causing the Lord to be angry. I know some may think that this is coming from my own selfish motivations or "homophobia", but this is far from true. No, like everyone else, at first I wanted to see this the same way as everyone else. "What harm is this, as long as the gay couple is stable and loving?" And I prayed on this, because the last thing I would want to do is argue for the unhappiness and childlessness of others. I mean, I know what it’s like to desire children very much, and I know the joy children bring to our lives. But the Lord has without a doubt or reservation said to me "NO!" "This cannot continue!" Evidently the Lord knows something about the harm this will do that we can’t see, but He knows the damage it will do, and he wants this practice stopped now. And he is saying He will allow the United States to be destroyed if we don’t end this practice as God commands. I would mind my own business, but God won’t let me. It’s like the story of Jonah. God told Jonah to go one way, to a city to prophesy before it was too late and the Lord would have to destroy the city because the people of the city had gone too far from God and began to commit the most abominable of sins. Jonah being angry with the Lord went the opposite direction. But God sent a great storm that caused the ship to rock. The storm nearly tipped the ship over into the sea, when Jonah’s fellow ship’s crewmen discovered that it was Jonah’s God that was attempting to prevent Jonah from going the opposite way that God had told Jonah to go. They threw Jonah overboard. Jonah was swallow by a whale, when he prayed to Lord for several days to save him from the whale’s belly. After three days, the Lord finally caused the whale to vomit Jonah up, but only after he agreed to do as the Lord asked him to. This same thing happened to me. See, the Lord, at my request and as an answer to my own prayers for children, had foretold me years ago that I would have 4 children, and he even told me how old I would be when my first child would be born. Even I thought I was just imagining that God had foretold me something during a time of prayer. So I put it out of my mind and thought nothing more of it until 10 years later, during prayers thanking God for my 4 children, I finally remembered that God had foretold all of this to me, and had kept His promise, even though I forgot and didn’t hold Him to His promise. My original resolve in becoming a foster parent was to become involved and help change the system. (How many foster parents say that, and then don’t follow through on it?) Well I am no better than them, once I had all 4 of my children, I became content and complacent. All I cared about was "my own business" and going my own merry way from here. But God had another plan. When I went the opposite direction, He rocked my ship. My foster daughters were removed from me. And I have been swallowed up by this whale of a problem in the system. I am not going to be released from the whale’s mouth until I tell everyone what God sent me here to tell everyone. The Lord has told me to prophesy to you here, to warn you about the consequense for disopeying God, and everytime I try and go the opposite direction the Lord stops me, and forces me back to continue. I am not minding mine or anyone’s business, this is God’s business. Am I afraid? Do I like being made fun of and called names? Do I like people thinking I am mentally ill? Do I like all these threats to report me to DCFS? Absolutely, my mortal soul is afraid, but my spiritual soul is what God is using to give me the strength and determination to continue. In Ez 3:8 the Lord has told me that my determination to prophesy must be stronger then their refusal to listen. Last evening, I was praying and asking God what I should do about all this, and he had me open the Book to Ezekiel chapters 2 +3 , and this is what he told me to do, like he told Ezekiel. Get your Bible out and turn to Chapter 2 and 3 of Ezekiel and see for yourself what the Lord’s answer to me was, when I said "Lord I am afraid of what they might do to me, I want to stop this now?". I have to trust God that he knows what he is doing, and that no harm will come to me, or my children for doing as God askes me to do. It has happened in the Bible that God does test us sometimes to see who and what we worship most. I guess this is my test. So please everyone, don’t retaliate against me. I am not delusional or a danger to my children, God is real. And this is God who is telling you to stop and believe in Him before it is too late. This will be the last and final time (at least I hope God won’t make me continue?) that I will tell you about God’s warning, let him who is able to hear, hear, let him who refuses to hear, refuse. Ezekiel 3:27 "But when I speak with thee, I will open thy mouth, and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; He that heareth, let him hear; and he that forbeareth, let him forbear: for they [are] a rebellious house." Celeste P.S. And remember God’s warning to all the nations, Eros is coming (by NO coincidence) on passover 1998, April 10-11. I can only hope you hear this.

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How did you manage to connect this with NCFA and Closed Records? That’s not what this is about. I was talking about left-wing political extremists. Celeste

Poor Misunderstood Pathetic Celeste Hakuna Matata Baby thats ALL I wanted to say DrewS AKA JohnnyK Reunited Proud Bastard Don’t mess with me I am in A BAD mood!!!

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You have to admit it’s an honest mistake to make. The NFCA lies like a rug to further their goals, to them the ends justify the means, to protect their vest interests in the Closed Records system. Bill Pierce presenting the NFCA as a government agency to the UN and recieving a reprimand from the State Department is just the most absurd example of the lengths they’ll travel to twist and obfuscate.

Heya Ron- Thanks for the scoop. When did this happen? Can you point us to some documentation? Who knows when it might come in handy. -Jeff — "Capital punishment is our society’s recognition of the sanctity of human life." –Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT)

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Celeste, You have to admit it’s an honest mistake to make. The NFCA lies like a rug to further their goals, to them the ends justify the means, to protect their vest interests in the Closed Records system. Bill Pierce presenting the NFCA as a government agency to the UN and recieving a reprimand from the State Department is just the most absurd example of the lengths they’ll travel to twist and obfuscate. This *is* alt.adoption, not misc.millennarian.wacko.misc, so I was trying keep the discussion on topic. Ron – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …these whores of whoredoms are able to overlook anything, even make … deception into the most forgivable of sins, perhaps even make it seem righteous when "the end justifies the means". A brilliant analysis of the NFCA, and defenders of Closed Records in general, but I personally think you go to far when you describe these folks as Satan’s Spawn. Ron How did you manage to connect this with NCFA and Closed Records? That’s not what this is about. I was talking about left-wing political extremists. Celeste

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – GEEZ, lady, who gives a rats ass what Chucky and Camilla are doing? Honestly, if they both are happy and content, get over it. As it stands now, if Charles marries Camilla, he will be breaking a serious commandment of God and against the faith, and likely will place his chances to be king in question. For Charles to be happy he has to break from certian traditional beliefs of the church if he is to have both Camilla and the Crown. It’s him changing the faith to suit his personal agenda that bothers me. He is suggesting not just tolerance of, but ‘teaching’ eastern religions to Christians and Jewish students as a way of influencing departure from the faith. His primary opposition will come from Judeo Christianity and Judaism which will not budge an inch from the faith, which he will have to attack in order to bring about the changes he wants in order to receive the crown. This could bring about persecution of both Christians and Jews. That’s what I won’t get over. Celeste

I have a great idea, why don’t you try minding your own business? Why are you so quick to see the speck in your brothers eye, and can’t see the log sticking out of your own?

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Celeste: As it stands now, if Charles marries Camilla, he will be breaking a serious commandment of God and against the faith, and likely will place his chances to be king in question. For Charles to be happy he has to break from certian traditional beliefs of the church if he is to have both Camilla and the Crown. It’s him changing the faith to suit his personal agenda that bothers me. He is suggesting not just tolerance of, but ‘teaching’ eastern religions to Christians and Jewish students as a way of influencing departure from the faith. His primary opposition will come from Judeo Christianity and Judaism which will not budge an inch from the faith, which he will have to attack in order to bring about the changes he wants in order to receive the crown. This could bring about persecution of both Christians and Jews. That’s what I won’t get over. Celeste

Times have changed to an extent. I remember when poor Princess Margaret could not marry Peter Townsend and ended up with Anthony Armstrong-Jones, who I always thought was much cooler, but of course, a second choice, which ended in divorce. HRH accpeted grudgingly Margaret’s divorce, and even Ann and Andrew’s divorces, but Charles marrying Camilla will never do. I don’t even think a morganic marriage would be accepted. Charles would have to renounce the throne in favor of his son, William. This is an extremely serious matter, and would cause a crisis in the already precarious state of the Royal Family and the governmental affairs of England, It is not something to play around with. Personally, I’d hate to see him end up like his Uncle David, but hopefully Camilla is not the haridan that Wallis Simpson was. By all means necessary, Marley

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …these whores of whoredoms are able to overlook anything, even make … deception into the most forgivable of sins, perhaps even make it seem righteous when "the end justifies the means". A brilliant analysis of the NFCA, and defenders of Closed Records in general, but I personally think you go to far when you describe these folks as Satan’s Spawn. Ron How did you manage to connect this with NCFA and Closed Records? That’s not what this is about. I was talking about left-wing political extremists.

If the shoe fits, Celeste. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Celeste

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How did you manage to connect this with NCFA and Closed Records? That’s not what this is about. I was talking about left-wing political extremists. Celeste

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Hmmm, seems to me something like this happened once before. Henry, wasn’t it? Gave birth to something called the Church of England, didn’t it? Charlie’s ex had best apply to the US for asylum, soon.

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What commandment from God Celeste says that the Future King of England can not divorce and re-marry? I must have missed that one in the top 10. It’s him changing the faith to suit his personal agenda that bothers me. He is suggesting not just tolerance of, but ‘teaching’ eastern religions to Christians and Jewish students as a way of influencing departure from the faith.

Where is it that ole Charlie is "teaching" these eastern religons? At the polo games? Perhaps he’s holding classes in the Buckingham scullery? His primary opposition will come from Judeo Christianity and Judaism which will not budge an inch from the faith, which he will have to attack in order to bring about the changes he wants in order to receive the crown.

Here’s a newsflash for you ,Celeste; This is the 1990’s dear, when one half of all marriages (including those of good Christians and Jews) end in divorce. What on earth makes you think that most people of "faith" would oppose Charles getting re-married? Most people, I imagin, could care less, they are far too busy dealing with their own lives and families (something I highly reccomend you spend more time doing). The English throne is now little more than a figurehead with no substantial power. For most people, their interest in the Royal family of England is due simply because of 2 things; 1) The Royal Family is the last vestige of an era that has ceased to exist, and 2) The affairs of the "Royals" and the gossip and headlines they generate are a glimpse into how "the other half" lives. (often making us quite thankful we’re not part of the "other half".) This could bring about persecution of both Christians and Jews. That’s what I won’t get over.

Tell me Celeste, how will Christians and Jews be persecuted? Will it be only those Christians and Jews who are not divorced? Only those who actually give a rat’s arse about Charles’ marital status? Only those who actually believe Charles is the anti-christ? Hmmmm, perhaps only those living in Moline? Lisa F. Wilson

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Now how is Charles going to pull this off the magic trick and win the

public’s approval and acceptance? With the help of Satan’s plot, that’s how.<<<< Drew Says (in a Hypnotic Stupor ) "Long Live Charles and Camilla" I wonder if Joan realizes that in her column she gave away the keys to

Camilla and Charles future rise to world popularity and fame like never before in all Charles history as the Prince of Wales?<<<< Drew: Wonders if Celeste will EVER be Allowed to leave the Looney Bin she Lives in ? The keys came in the eighth and second to the last paragraphs which I will quote here: In the 8th paragraph it states: "There is this big problem, you see. and her name is CELESTE! She is the Anti Christ She is the Reason Charles and Di Separated and she will cause the demise of the World" Hakuna Matata Celeste DrewS AKA JohnnyK Reunited Proud Bastard Don’t mess with me I am in A BAD mood!!!

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GEEZ, lady, who gives a rats ass what Chucky and Camilla are doing? Honestly, if they both are happy and content, get over it.

As it stands now, if Charles marries Camilla, he will be breaking a serious commandment of God and against the faith, and likely will place his chances to be king in question. For Charles to be happy he has to break from certian traditional beliefs of the church if he is to have both Camilla and the Crown. It’s him changing the faith to suit his personal agenda that bothers me. He is suggesting not just tolerance of, but ‘teaching’ eastern religions to Christians and Jewish students as a way of influencing departure from the faith. His primary opposition will come from Judeo Christianity and Judaism which will not budge an inch from the faith, which he will have to attack in order to bring about the changes he wants in order to receive the crown. This could bring about persecution of both Christians and Jews. That’s what I won’t get over. Celeste

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How did you manage to connect this with NCFA and Closed Records? That’s not what this is about. I was talking about left-wing political extremists. Celeste

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…these whores of whoredoms are able to overlook anything, even make … deception into the most forgivable of sins, perhaps even make it seem righteous when "the end justifies the means".

A brilliant analysis of the NFCA, and defenders of Closed Records in general, but I personally think you go to far when you describe these folks as Satan’s Spawn. Ron

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Here we go….the stage is getting set for the rise of the Anti-Christ. Any one read Joan Beck’s column in Sunday’s paper regarding ? "Forget PR, she’s still a pumpkin, he’s still a frog"…Joan says refering to Camilla and Prince Charles of Wales. Her point is that, no amount of PR magic can make "Camilla" more beautiful in time for her public appearances which will begin in September. Last two sentences in the 7th paragraph of Joan’s column states: "the Prince has decided he wants to marry his mistress. But he doesn’t want to give up his kingdom". Now how is Charles going to pull this off the magic trick and win the public’s approval and acceptance? With the help of Satan’s plot, that’s how. I wonder if Joan realizes that in her column she gave away the keys to Camilla and Charles future rise to world popularity and fame like never before in all Charles history as the Prince of Wales? The keys that will cause the whole world to discover a whole new love for "Prince Dullness" and his future Princess Camilla, and cause Diana to be cast as the ugly "bad witch". The keys came in the eighth and second to the last paragraphs which I will quote here: In the 8th paragraph it states: "There is this big problem, you see. The ruler of the prince’s kingdom is also the head of the established church, which doesn’t approve of the remarriage of divorced people. When he is crowned, he must swear to defend that faith". Next Joan fills in her central theme with how Charles brings in PR magicians to work a miracle in convincing the public his royal mistress is the "beautiful princess" and ultimate true hero and "star" of the of the this royal romantic tale. What Joan may not know is that Charles began his work in performing miracles and transformations long before this, not by transforming Camilla into a princess, but in transforming "the faith" to his liking: "Islamic spirituality and the decline of the West", From the Prince’s speech, December 15, 1996 <http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/rabin.html. Second to last paragraph: "The prince and his royal mistress are planning to start appearing in public together in September. The prince is also saying that when he becomes king, he wants to be "defender of faith," not "defender of the faith" and, what the heck, half of the marriages in the country break up, so what’s so terrible about a divorce. Never mind the adultery and deception." Joan isn’t suggesting that the secular, "polictially correct" world isn’t capable of forgetting about Charle’s "adultery and deceptions"? To answer that question all we have to do is look at America’s elected king…President Clinton. Any time it suits this idolotrous generation’s growing and increasing desires to win tolerance and acceptance of pagan sexual morality and practices, and seeking a return to Greek mythological belief systems, believe it…these whores of whoredoms are able to overlook anything, even make adultery and deception into the most forgivable of sins, perhaps even make it seem righteous when "the end justifies the means". We are witnessing before our very eyes how the stage is getting set for the Princes rise to power and authority, and Charle’s motives for launching his attack on Western Judeo Christian faith and culture. An attack which will win the aid and assistance of the "politically correct" agenda, which is the miracle that will transform Camilla from a pumpkin into a beautiful princess better than all the best and high paid PR magicians ever could hope to imagine. Yes, Satan helps his children have whatever they wish, and at what price? The price to be paid is our own soul. Celeste

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GEEZ, lady, who gives a rats ass what Chucky and Camilla are doing? Honestly, if they both are happy and content, get over it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here we go….the stage is getting set for the rise of the Anti-Christ. Any one read Joan Beck’s column in Sunday’s paper regarding ? "Forget PR, she’s still a pumpkin, he’s still a frog"…Joan says refering to Camilla and Prince Charles of Wales. Her point is that, no amount of PR magic can make "Camilla" more beautiful in time for her public appearances which will begin in September. Last two sentences in the 7th paragraph of Joan’s column states: "the Prince has decided he wants to marry his mistress. But he doesn’t want to give up his kingdom". Now how is Charles going to pull this off the magic trick and win the public’s approval and acceptance? With the help of Satan’s plot, that’s how. I wonder if Joan realizes that in her column she gave away the keys to Camilla and Charles future rise to world popularity and fame like never before in all Charles history as the Prince of Wales? The keys that will cause the whole world to discover a whole new love for "Prince Dullness" and his future Princess Camilla, and cause Diana to be cast as the ugly "bad witch". The keys came in the eighth and second to the last paragraphs which I will quote here: In the 8th paragraph it states: "There is this big problem, you see. The ruler of the prince’s kingdom is also the head of the established church, which doesn’t approve of the remarriage of divorced people. When he is crowned, he must swear to defend that faith". Next Joan fills in her central theme with how Charles brings in PR magicians to work a miracle in convincing the public his royal mistress is the "beautiful princess" and ultimate true hero and "star" of the of the this royal romantic tale. What Joan may not know is that Charles began his work in performing miracles and transformations long before this, not by transforming Camilla into a princess, but in transforming "the faith" to his liking: "Islamic spirituality and the decline of the West", From the Prince’s speech, December 15, 1996 <http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/rabin.html. Second to last paragraph: "The prince and his royal mistress are planning to start appearing in public together in September. The prince is also saying that when he becomes king, he wants to be "defender of faith," not "defender of the faith" and, what the heck, half of the marriages in the country break up, so what’s so terrible about a divorce. Never mind the adultery and deception." Joan isn’t suggesting that the secular, "polictially correct" world isn’t capable of forgetting about Charle’s "adultery and deceptions"? To answer that question all we have to do is look at America’s elected king…President Clinton. Any time it suits this idolotrous generation’s growing and increasing desires to win tolerance and acceptance of pagan sexual morality and practices, and seeking a return to Greek mythological belief systems, believe it…these whores of whoredoms are able to overlook anything, even make adultery and deception into the most forgivable of sins, perhaps even make it seem righteous when "the end justifies the means". We are witnessing before our very eyes how the stage is getting set for the Princes rise to power and authority, and Charle’s motives for launching his attack on Western Judeo Christian faith and culture. An attack which will win the aid and assistance of the "politically correct" agenda, which is the miracle that will transform Camilla from a pumpkin into a beautiful princess better than all the best and high paid PR magicians ever could hope to imagine. Yes, Satan helps his children have whatever they wish, and at what price? The price to be paid is our own soul. Celeste

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