Christianity QA

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Hi:  Tanya: I loved it. It’s so good to laugh. bueli * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Well, Bob, I am happy the Lord saw you through your trials. But please, I found the "Christian" (in quotes) thing not very nice.  I’m not a Christian is the implication, just because I don’t witness like you do?   Perhaps, sometimes, a more subtle approach is more effective.  Shouting at the top of one’s lungs, which I’ve seen done, just can turn people off.  Is that helpful to them?  I don’t think so. Just a thought. Best wishes and God Bless. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And it’s been my observation that too many "Christians" don’t want to embarrass themselves by taking any kind of stand. What were those words in Maybe Michael needs to be angry with the Lord right now. That’s his business. As for me, my Christian faith got me through this evil of cancer. Many a night I lay in that hospital bed cursing the darkness and holding on to those promises of ," I am with you always." It’s the only thing that makes sense in this non-sensical world. It’s that hope of a better life…….not now, but after death that makes sense. I’m a cancer survivor and don’t mind checking back here every once in a while just to say Thank you, God for your blessings. Thanks for getting me on my back so I could look up and  see you and understand your love. bob I’m a Christian, and a believer in the efficacy of prayer. But I have to agree with you – too many Christians wear their religion on their sleeve.  Too much banner waving. Better to live quietly, and by example. That said, I think we can all agree that prayer/editation/what- have-you is better than stewing in your own juices.   That’s been my observation at least.  But, to each their own. As I’ve said repeatedly, and the reason I started this thread in the first place – I have no problem with those who wish to "believe" pursuing their beliefs in any way they wish.  What I can’t stand is the attitude that what’s good for them is good for everybody.  If you want to pray, fine.  If it makes you feel good, then I’m all for it. However, I don’t need religion or "god" to help me make it through a day, week, or the rest of my life, and I severely resent it being shoved down my throat by "believers."  I really don’t care if you think I’m going to wherever when I die, because I don’t believe that either. Essentially, what it comes down to is this: While I may disagree with your beliefs, I’m not trying to convert you, so give me the same courtesy.  I don’t need your blessings.  If the worst should happen to my wife, don’t tell me "she’s in a better place."  As far as I’m concerned, she’s in the best place she can be right now – here with me and our kids.  Anything else is far worse. The question of religion or faith or god (not all necessarily the same thing ) is at the root of many peoples’ reaction to a diagnosis of cancer and is AT LEAST as important (to them) as is the question of medical treatment and symptom control. You can’t take that away from a news group like this. That is part of what a support/discussion group is all about. Winston Churchill once said of free speech ‘ I may not like what you say but I will fight to the death for your right to say it’ . If anyone doesn’t like a thread they should just mark it as read and skip it. For a purely clinical approach there is always the alt.sci.med.cancer group but you have to do a LOT of sifting on that one to get to the gems.  MIKE article Dear Paul and Carol and Blair and Betty and Herr Due, et al, It should be clear to you by now that you’re not being very helpful. Perhaps your priests or rabbis or LookSmart can guide you to discussion groups devoted to the questions of faith that interest you. This group is interested in cancer support. I agree with Mark, it’s time you folks went somewhere else. laura * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free! —

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 I don’t need your blessings.

Mark, I hope that you’ll understand that some posters, who may not be following this thread, may offer prayers or special thoughts when they think that you could use it.  They are only trying reach out and may not understand that you are firmly against such things. Please don’t attack them when this happens, just next on by.  I’m not trying to predict the future, but I’ve noticed that people will respond to others that they perceive are in need by offering a piece of themselves according to whatever religion they might practice.  Personally, I appreciate it, but I know that you don’t. Rest assured, it won’t be me…I heard you loud and clear. …lisa

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The question of religion or faith or god (not all necessarily the same thing ) is at the root of many peoples’ reaction to a diagnosis of cancer and is AT LEAST as important (to them) as is the question of medical treatment and symptom control. You can’t take that away from a news group like this. That is part of what a support/discussion group is all about. Winston Churchill once said of free speech ‘ I may not like what you say but I will fight to the death for your right to say it’ . If anyone doesn’t like a thread they should just mark it as read and skip it. For a purely clinical approach there is always the alt.sci.med.cancer group but you have to do a LOT of sifting on that one to get to the gems.  MIKE

I think you’ve missed the point. The people being addressed are those who insist that you must believe as they do or you are wrong and will be damned to go to hell. What they believe is their business. What I beleive is mine. The problem comes when they try to manage other people instead of minding their own business.

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I’m a Christian, and a believer in the efficacy of prayer. But I have to agree with you – too many Christians wear their religion on their sleeve.  Too much banner waving. Better to live quietly, and by example. That said, I think we can all agree that prayer/editation/what- have-you is better than stewing in your own juices.   That’s been my observation at least.  But, to each their own. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As I’ve said repeatedly, and the reason I started this thread in the first place – I have no problem with those who wish to "believe" pursuing their beliefs in any way they wish.  What I can’t stand is the attitude that what’s good for them is good for everybody.  If you want to pray, fine.  If it makes you feel good, then I’m all for it. However, I don’t need religion or "god" to help me make it through a day, week, or the rest of my life, and I severely resent it being shoved down my throat by "believers."  I really don’t care if you think I’m going to wherever when I die, because I don’t believe that either. Essentially, what it comes down to is this: While I may disagree with your beliefs, I’m not trying to convert you, so give me the same courtesy.  I don’t need your blessings.  If the worst should happen to my wife, don’t tell me "she’s in a better place."  As far as I’m concerned, she’s in the best place she can be right now – here with me and our kids.  Anything else is far worse. The question of religion or faith or god (not all necessarily the same thing ) is at the root of many peoples’ reaction to a diagnosis of cancer and is AT LEAST as important (to them) as is the question of medical treatment and symptom control. You can’t take that away from a news group like this. That is part of what a support/discussion group is all about. Winston Churchill once said of free speech ‘ I may not like what you say but I will fight to the death for your right to say it’ . If anyone doesn’t like a thread they should just mark it as read and skip it. For a purely clinical approach there is always the alt.sci.med.cancer group but you have to do a LOT of sifting on that one to get to the gems.  MIKE Dear Paul and Carol and Blair and Betty and Herr Due, et al, It should be clear to you by now that you’re not being very helpful. Perhaps your priests or rabbis or LookSmart can guide you to discussion groups devoted to the questions of faith that interest you. This group is interested in cancer support. I agree with Mark, it’s time you folks went somewhere else. laura * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free! — Mark E. Levy, President FSINet, Inc. 800-827-6085 x202 847-753-6832 fax www.fsi.net

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And it’s been my observation that too many "Christians" don’t want to embarrass themselves by taking any kind of stand. What were those words in Maybe Michael needs to be angry with the Lord right now. That’s his business. As for me, my Christian faith got me through this evil of cancer. Many a night I lay in that hospital bed cursing the darkness and holding on to those promises of ," I am with you always." It’s the only thing that makes sense in this non-sensical world. It’s that hope of a better life…….not now, but after death that makes sense. I’m a cancer survivor and don’t mind checking back here every once in a while just to say Thank you, God for your blessings. Thanks for getting me on my back so I could look up and  see you and understand your love. bob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a Christian, and a believer in the efficacy of prayer. But I have to agree with you – too many Christians wear their religion on their sleeve.  Too much banner waving. Better to live quietly, and by example. That said, I think we can all agree that prayer/editation/what- have-you is better than stewing in your own juices.   That’s been my observation at least.  But, to each their own. As I’ve said repeatedly, and the reason I started this thread in the first place – I have no problem with those who wish to "believe" pursuing their beliefs in any way they wish.  What I can’t stand is the attitude that what’s good for them is good for everybody.  If you want to pray, fine.  If it makes you feel good, then I’m all for it. However, I don’t need religion or "god" to help me make it through a day, week, or the rest of my life, and I severely resent it being shoved down my throat by "believers."  I really don’t care if you think I’m going to wherever when I die, because I don’t believe that either. Essentially, what it comes down to is this: While I may disagree with your beliefs, I’m not trying to convert you, so give me the same courtesy.  I don’t need your blessings.  If the worst should happen to my wife, don’t tell me "she’s in a better place."  As far as I’m concerned, she’s in the best place she can be right now – here with me and our kids.  Anything else is far worse. The question of religion or faith or god (not all necessarily the same thing ) is at the root of many peoples’ reaction to a diagnosis of cancer and is AT LEAST as important (to them) as is the question of medical treatment and symptom control. You can’t take that away from a news group like this. That is part of what a support/discussion group is all about. Winston Churchill once said of free speech ‘ I may not like what you say but I will fight to the death for your right to say it’ . If anyone doesn’t like a thread they should just mark it as read and skip it. For a purely clinical approach there is always the alt.sci.med.cancer group but you have to do a LOT of sifting on that one to get to the gems.  MIKE Dear Paul and Carol and Blair and Betty and Herr Due, et al, It should be clear to you by now that you’re not being very helpful. Perhaps your priests or rabbis or LookSmart can guide you to discussion groups devoted to the questions of faith that interest you. This group is interested in cancer support. I agree with Mark, it’s time you folks went somewhere else. laura * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free! — Mark E. Levy, President FSINet, Inc. 800-827-6085 x202 847-753-6832 fax www.fsi.net Before you buy.

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You demand that other people respect your right to walk your own path, right? This means you should therefore respect their right to walk their own path, right? So what happens when their path motivates them to discuss the consequences of being a non-believer? The result is that (not necessarily you but certainly other non-believers) decide to label them as evangelical bible thumpers, lunatics, pests. What happened to the respect?

If you have the maturity of a five-year old you can see the difference. In one case, the individual minds his own business whether or not he approves of the way another lives his live. On the other hand, the individual takes it upon him/herself to change the person who isn’t living according to their dictates. They do NOT mind their own business. Regardless of what your religion tries to teach you, you have no right to criticize another and suggest that they change their lives after you’ve been told to lay off. But, you do have a good point. I used to be a non-believer, a staunch supporter of evolution, secularism, humanism,,,the whole thing. I was absolutely convinced my viewpoint was correct. I consider myself lucky that I took the time to listen to what some believers had to say.

So fine – be happy for yourself if that’s what you want – and leave others alone – especially after they tell you that they aren’t interested. It has been my experience that the zealots merely intensify their efforts after being told to go away. And then they wonder why nobody likes them.

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Regardless of what your religion tries to teach you, you have no right to criticize another and suggest that they change their lives after you’ve been told to lay off.

Why don’t they have a right?   From a non-religious perspective, I thought that was what the first amendment to the United States constitution is all about (you could be right for your local if you live in some other countries.). From a religious perspective, well, I don’t remember that commandment.   Can you tell me which one it is?   "Thou shalt not speak after being told to lay off."

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From a religious perspective, well, I don’t remember that commandment.   Can you tell me which one it is?   "Thou shalt not speak after being told to lay off."

Funny…:) This gave me a nice am chuckle…. Robin…mom to hannah,aka "wild thing"..born, 1/17/98 dx pilocytic/anaplastic astrocytoma/brain stem/spinal cord 1/19/00 tx, carboplatin, 3/1/00,placed with hospice, 5/1/00 wife to E….the other love of my life.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Regardless of what your religion tries to teach you, you have no right to criticize another and suggest that they change their lives after you’ve been told to lay off. Why don’t they have a right?   From a non-religious perspective, I thought that was what the first amendment to the United States constitution is all about (you could be right for your local if you live in some other countries.). From a religious perspective, well, I don’t remember that commandment.   Can you tell me which one it is?   "Thou shalt not speak after being told to lay off."

I thank you for that. You’re demonstration goes far beyond anything I could have done or said to show exactly how disgusting you people can be. You’re sick. See a doctor.

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The question of religion or faith or god (not all necessarily the same thing ) is at the root of many peoples’ reaction to a diagnosis of cancer and is AT LEAST as important (to them) as is the question of medical treatment and symptom control. You can’t take that away from a news group like this. That is part of what a support/discussion group is all about. Winston Churchill once said of free speech ‘ I may not like what you say but I will fight to the death for your right to say it’ . If anyone doesn’t like a thread they should just mark it as read and skip it. For a purely clinical approach there is always the alt.sci.med.cancer group but you have to do a LOT of sifting on that one to get to the gems.  MIKE – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Paul and Carol and Blair and Betty and Herr Due, et al, It should be clear to you by now that you’re not being very helpful. Perhaps your priests or rabbis or LookSmart can guide you to discussion groups devoted to the questions of faith that interest you. This group is interested in cancer support. I agree with Mark, it’s time you folks went somewhere else. laura * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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As I’ve said repeatedly, and the reason I started this thread in the first place – I have no problem with those who wish to "believe" pursuing their beliefs in any way they wish.  What I can’t stand is the attitude that what’s good for them is good for everybody.  If you want to pray, fine.  If it makes you feel good, then I’m all for it. However, I don’t need religion or "god" to help me make it through a day, week, or the rest of my life, and I severely resent it being shoved down my throat by "believers."  I really don’t care if you think I’m going to wherever when I die, because I don’t believe that either. Essentially, what it comes down to is this: While I may disagree with your beliefs, I’m not trying to convert you, so give me the same courtesy.  I don’t need your blessings.  If the worst should happen to my wife, don’t tell me "she’s in a better place."  As far as I’m concerned, she’s in the best place she can be right now – here with me and our kids.  Anything else is far worse. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The question of religion or faith or god (not all necessarily the same thing ) is at the root of many peoples’ reaction to a diagnosis of cancer and is AT LEAST as important (to them) as is the question of medical treatment and symptom control. You can’t take that away from a news group like this. That is part of what a support/discussion group is all about. Winston Churchill once said of free speech ‘ I may not like what you say but I will fight to the death for your right to say it’ . If anyone doesn’t like a thread they should just mark it as read and skip it. For a purely clinical approach there is always the alt.sci.med.cancer group but you have to do a LOT of sifting on that one to get to the gems.  MIKE Dear Paul and Carol and Blair and Betty and Herr Due, et al, It should be clear to you by now that you’re not being very helpful. Perhaps your priests or rabbis or LookSmart can guide you to discussion groups devoted to the questions of faith that interest you. This group is interested in cancer support. I agree with Mark, it’s time you folks went somewhere else. laura * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

– Mark E. Levy, President FSINet, Inc. 800-827-6085 x202 847-753-6832 fax www.fsi.net

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I realize that this is off topic for this group, but it’s come up often enough recently that I feel the need to comment. With regard to what people choose to believe or not believe, there’s any easy way to resolve the disagreements that inevitably arise.  We’re all different, whether it involves religion, what kind of car, favorite color, whether you like strawberry or chocolate ice cream, skin color, hair style, etc.  We need to accept these differences, whatever they may be.  No two of us on this planet will agree an absolutely everything. I choose not to beleive in any "god."  It’s the way I was brought up and it’s served me well for 42 years.  I’m not vigilant about it, and I respect those who choose to believe.  All I ask is that those who do believe give me the same respect that I give them and not proslytize or try to "convert" me any more than I’m trying to "convert" them. Religion, or the lack thereof, is very personal. Because it’s right for you doesn’t mean that it’s right for me. Regardless of what you think is going to happen or not happen to me at some point in the future, I’m not changing my position on this, so accept it. — Mark E. Levy, President FSINet, Inc. 800-827-6085 x202 847-753-6832 fax www.fsi.net

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Well spoken Tanya – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I realize that this is off topic for this group, but it’s come up often enough recently that I feel the need to comment. With regard to what people choose to believe or not believe, there’s any easy way to resolve the disagreements that inevitably arise.  We’re all different, whether it involves religion, what kind of car, favorite color, whether you like strawberry or chocolate ice cream, skin color, hair style, etc.  We need to accept these differences, whatever they may be.  No two of us on this planet will agree an absolutely everything. I choose not to beleive in any "god."  It’s the way I was brought up and it’s served me well for 42 years.  I’m not vigilant about it, and I respect those who choose to believe.  All I ask is that those who do believe give me the same respect that I give them and not proslytize or try to "convert" me any more than I’m trying to "convert" them. Religion, or the lack thereof, is very personal. Because it’s right for you doesn’t mean that it’s right for me. Regardless of what you think is going to happen or not happen to me at some point in the future, I’m not changing my position on this, so accept it. — Mark E. Levy, President FSINet, Inc. 800-827-6085 x202 847-753-6832 fax www.fsi.net

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Good point……For instance, I had a date one night and at the end of the evening, we decided to park and do a little "submarine race watching" (if you know what I mean). So I asked her, "Do you believe in the hereafter?" She thought for a second and then said "Yes." I said "Good! Because if you’re not hereafter what I’m hereafter, then you’re gonna be hereafter I’m gone." Rick

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well spoken Tanya I realize that this is off topic for this group, but it’s come up often enough recently that I feel the need to comment. With regard to what people choose to believe or not believe, there’s any easy way to resolve the disagreements that inevitably arise.  We’re all different, whether it involves religion, what kind of car, favorite color, whether you like strawberry or chocolate ice cream, skin color, hair style, etc.  We need to accept these differences, whatever they may be.  No two of us on this planet will agree an absolutely everything. I choose not to beleive in any "god."  It’s the way I was brought up and it’s served me well for 42 years.  I’m not vigilant about it, and I respect those who choose to believe.  All I ask is that those who do believe give me the same respect that I give them and not proslytize or try to "convert" me any more than I’m trying to "convert" them. Religion, or the lack thereof, is very personal. Because it’s right for you doesn’t mean that it’s right for me. Regardless of what you think is going to happen or not happen to me at some point in the future, I’m not changing my position on this, so accept it. — Mark E. Levy, President FSINet, Inc. 800-827-6085 x202 847-753-6832 fax www.fsi.net

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Could not agree more with you!! I have a relative who believes in God and he feels very bad for me because I dont. He probably thinks I will go to Hell and tries to convert me so that I wont. It really annoys me when he gets on his soapbox – I never try to convert him to my way of thinking – but I guess I can understand why he does it. Joyojoy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I realize that this is off topic for this group, but it’s come up often enough recently that I feel the need to comment. With regard to what people choose to believe or not believe, there’s any easy way to resolve the disagreements that inevitably arise.  We’re all different, whether it involves religion, what kind of car, favorite color, whether you like strawberry or chocolate ice cream, skin color, hair style, etc.  We need to accept these differences, whatever they may be.  No two of us on this planet will agree an absolutely everything. I choose not to beleive in any "god."  It’s the way I was brought up and it’s served me well for 42 years.  I’m not vigilant about it, and I respect those who choose to believe.  All I ask is that those who do believe give me the same respect that I give them and not proslytize or try to "convert" me any more than I’m trying to "convert" them. Religion, or the lack thereof, is very personal. Because it’s right for you doesn’t mean that it’s right for me. Regardless of what you think is going to happen or not happen to me at some point in the future, I’m not changing my position on this, so accept it. — Mark E. Levy, President FSINet, Inc. 800-827-6085 x202 847-753-6832 fax www.fsi.net

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I choose not to beleive in any "god."  It’s the way I was brought up and it’s served me well for 42 years.  I’m not vigilant about it, and I respect those who choose to believe.  All I ask is that those who do believe give me the same respect that I give them and not proslytize or try to "convert" me any more than I’m trying to "convert" them. Religion, or the lack thereof, is very personal. Because it’s right for you doesn’t mean that it’s right for me. Regardless of what you think is going to happen or not happen to me at some point in the future, I’m not changing my position on this, so accept it. Hey there. You demand that other people respect your right to walk your own path, right? This means you should therefore respect their right to walk their own path, right? So what happens when their path motivates them to discuss the consequences of being a non-believer? The result is that (not necessarily you but certainly other non-believers) decide to label them as evangelical bible thumpers, lunatics, pests. What happened to the respect?

Respect does not mean I have to listen to a believer when they attempt to "discuss the consequences of being a non-believer" with me.  I already know where believers think I’m going.  If they respected MY position, they would not try to convert me, regardless of how "right" they think they are.   If a believer saw someone standing on the edge of a bridge, ready to jump, absolutely convinced that suicide was the right decision, and the believer tried to persuade them to step back from the ledge, does that mean the believer doesn’t respect them? We’re only trying to help as our world-view dictates we must.

No one would argue that jumping off a bridge could be detrimental to one’s health, proof of that abounds.  Until believers can provide irrefutible evidence of the consequences of not believing, I will continue on my path.  Sorry, the bible does not constitute such proof. But, you do have a good point. I used to be a non-believer, a staunch supporter of evolution, secularism, humanism,,,the whole thing. I was absolutely convinced my viewpoint was correct. I consider myself lucky that I took the time to listen to what some believers had to say.

That’s all fine & good, and I’m happy for you.  I, however, want no part of religion.  I’m not interested, period.  I’m as likely to change my mind as you are. — Mark E. Levy, President FSINet, Inc. 800-827-6085 x202 847-753-6832 fax www.fsi.net

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Because, in my opinion, the liklihood of there being a supreme being as typically described by popular religions is as great as my belief that the universe was burped up by a giant hedgehog. I can easily re-write the following based on my beliefs: "If there is no supreme hedgehog, then there are no consequences to believing. If there is a supreme hedgehog, then there are terrible consequences to not believing. Why take chances?" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think it’s actually Pascal’s (?) idea … "If there is no God, then there are no consequences to believing. If there is a God, then there are terrible consequences to not believing. Why take chances?" (my paraphrase) jma The old scare tactics eh? Is that why you believe – because you are afraid of what will happen if you dont? Hi joyojoy ? You had better be correct on this ! I suppose he is afraid I will go to Hell. To a believer that must be pretty scary! I, of course, dont think I will go anywhere. Joyojoy but I guess I can understand why he does it. You do?? Why does he do it then? Robin…mom to hannah,aka "wild thing"..born, 1/17/98 dx pilocytic astrocytoma 1/19/00 tx, carboplatin, 3/1/00, wife to E….the other love of my life. — Blair & Betty Miller Your Garfield Heights Connection

– Mark E. Levy, President FSINet, Inc. 800-827-6085 x202 847-753-6832 fax www.fsi.net

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I choose not to beleive in any "god."  It’s the way I was brought up and it’s served me well for 42 years.  I’m not vigilant about it, and I respect those who choose to believe.  All I ask is that those who do believe give me the same respect that I give them and not proslytize or try to "convert" me any more than I’m trying to "convert" them. Religion, or the lack thereof, is very personal. Because it’s right for you doesn’t mean that it’s right for me. Regardless of what you think is going to happen or not happen to me at some point in the future, I’m not changing my position on this, so accept it.

Hey there. You demand that other people respect your right to walk your own path, right? This means you should therefore respect their right to walk their own path, right? So what happens when their path motivates them to discuss the consequences of being a non-believer? The result is that (not necessarily you but certainly other non-believers) decide to label them as evangelical bible thumpers, lunatics, pests. What happened to the respect? If a believer saw someone standing on the edge of a bridge, ready to jump, absolutely convinced that suicide was the right decision, and the believer tried to persuade them to step back from the ledge, does that mean the believer doesn’t respect them? We’re only trying to help as our world-view dictates we must. But, you do have a good point. I used to be a non-believer, a staunch supporter of evolution, secularism, humanism,,,the whole thing. I was absolutely convinced my viewpoint was correct. I consider myself lucky that I took the time to listen to what some believers had to say. — Auf Wiedersehen, Mr. Due (Herr Due) Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/herrdue/ Outreach: http://www.geocities.com/musicthatmatters/ Webmaster: http://www.goodwynirb.com Before you buy.

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I think it’s actually Pascal’s (?) idea … "If there is no God, then there are no consequences to believing. If there is a God, then there are terrible consequences to not believing. Why take chances?" (my paraphrase) jma

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The old scare tactics eh? Is that why you believe – because you are afraid of what will happen if you dont? Hi joyojoy ? You had better be correct on this ! I suppose he is afraid I will go to Hell. To a believer that must be pretty scary! I, of course, dont think I will go anywhere. Joyojoy but I guess I can understand why he does it. You do?? Why does he do it then? Robin…mom to hannah,aka "wild thing"..born, 1/17/98 dx pilocytic astrocytoma 1/19/00 tx, carboplatin, 3/1/00, wife to E….the other love of my life. — Blair & Betty Miller Your Garfield Heights Connection

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The old scare tactics eh? Is that why you believe – because you are afraid of what will happen if you dont? Hi joyojoy ? You had better be correct on this ! I suppose he is afraid I will go to Hell. To a believer that must be pretty scary! I, of course, dont think I will go anywhere. Joyojoy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – but I guess I can understand why he does it. You do?? Why does he do it then? Robin…mom to hannah,aka "wild thing"..born, 1/17/98 dx pilocytic astrocytoma 1/19/00 tx, carboplatin, 3/1/00, wife to E….the other love of my life. — Blair & Betty Miller Your Garfield Heights Connection

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but I guess I can understand why he does it.

You do?? Why does he do it then? Robin…mom to hannah,aka "wild thing"..born, 1/17/98 dx pilocytic astrocytoma 1/19/00 tx, carboplatin, 3/1/00, wife to E….the other love of my life.

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I suppose he is afraid I will go to Hell. To a believer that must be pretty scary! I, of course, dont think I will go anywhere. Joyojoy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – but I guess I can understand why he does it. You do?? Why does he do it then? Robin…mom to hannah,aka "wild thing"..born, 1/17/98 dx pilocytic astrocytoma 1/19/00 tx, carboplatin, 3/1/00, wife to E….the other love of my life.

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Hi joyojoy ? You had better be correct on this ! I suppose he is afraid I will go to Hell. To a believer that must be pretty scary! I, of course, dont think I will go anywhere. Joyojoy but I guess I can understand why he does it. You do?? Why does he do it then? Robin…mom to hannah,aka "wild thing"..born, 1/17/98 dx pilocytic astrocytoma 1/19/00 tx, carboplatin, 3/1/00, wife to E….the other love of my life.

– Blair & Betty Miller Your Garfield Heights Connection

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