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At the risk of others who are so very much more important on this NG… (I am being so sacrastic it hurts…) Lois, if more people felt the way you do (I am one, ShadowHawk is another). Maybe the Mother would not be in the trouble she is now. NEVER let another tell you your beliefs are wrong. Blessings to you, Lyflite – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s my two cents worth… Seems to me I recall from my Bible readings that there was something in there quoting Jesus Christ to this effect: "I assure you, unless you become as little children, you will not enter the kingdom of God." Matt. 18:3 When is the last time you heard a child fighting over religion????? -live & love lois All I want to say is "Well said, Lois." Very well said, and pertinent to Both Wiccans and Christians alike. Bright Blessings ShadowHawk
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<smiling Apparently I was a bit too cryptic in my posting, as obviously some people misunderstood me….. Allow me to clarify… As someone else put it…babies have no fear… _My_ point was that, IME, most children do not see a racial, religious, or any other kind of barrier between them…. unless & until they have been educated to same by the "Giants"… Yes, children are atavistic, yes, they have very primary (mememememe!) motivations… however, if their basic needs are being met, _generally_ speaking they are loving and sharing… UNLESS taught otherwise. A child emulates its environment. If that environment is one of intolerance,bigotry, hatred, etc… generally the child will develop intolerance, etc… "All I need to know I learned in Kindergarden" Seems to me that a lot of "Christians" are not going to enter the kingdom of God if the interpretation I understand of that Bible passage is correct?? At least judging from some of the posts I have been reading…. :/ ..live and love.. lois – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s my two cents worth… Seems to me I recall from my Bible readings that there was something in there quoting Jesus Christ to this effect: "I assure you, unless you become as little children, you will not enter the kingdom of God." Matt. 18:3 When is the last time you heard a child fighting over religion????? -live & love lois
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FYI: Of course, Children are selfish, self-centered, egotistical, often violent when frustrated, usually controlled only by fear of force or open bribery. Very Dark Pagan when you think about it. Children don’t argue about religion, but then they rarely look that far ahead either. In many ways the religion of children, before they get indoctrinated, is secular humanist, and objectivist. I for one think children are great and hope that someday I can regain that egotistical childish abandon. "Tommy, don’t cuss, don’t fight, share your toys" "BITE ME, Teach, you ain’t my mother!" Here’s my two cents worth… Seems to me I recall from my Bible readings that there was something in there quoting Jesus Christ to this effect: "I assure you, unless you become as little children, you will not enter the kingdom of God." Matt. 18:3 When is the last time you heard a child fighting over religion????? -live & love lois
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Here’s my two cents worth… Seems to me I recall from my Bible readings that there was something in there quoting Jesus Christ to this effect: "I assure you, unless you become as little children, you will not enter the kingdom of God." Matt. 18:3 When is the last time you heard a child fighting over religion????? -live & love lois
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Here’s my two cents worth… Seems to me I recall from my Bible readings that there was something in there quoting Jesus Christ to this effect: "I assure you, unless you become as little children, you will not enter the kingdom of God." Matt. 18:3 When is the last time you heard a child fighting over religion????? -live & love lois
All I want to say is "Well said, Lois." Very well said, and pertinent to Both Wiccans and Christians alike. Bright Blessings ShadowHawk
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[..] FYI: Of course, Children are selfish, self-centered, egotistical, often violent when frustrated, usually controlled only by fear of force or open
^^^^^^^ I mostly agree with you in this. But the last argument I disagree. Fear to the babies is almost unknown factor, they do not know yet what to fear, so that is why they tend to do things that adults no more do, like cutting the electrical wire with metal sissors (sp?) or going to taste everything… fear is something we learn by experience. Could you give some examples of your fears as a baby ? How did your parents bribe you ? Very Dark Pagan when you think about it.
Dark Pagan ? What is a dark pagan ? How about herd core pagan ? 
Dark sounds to me something like … black … not white, misty, mysterous, ying (as oppose to yang). But I agree. Children are what we were meant to be by our creator, as said by both Christ(ians) and Muslims. What then is what we learn when we grow up from childhood ? Knowledge of the good and the bad things, what tastes good, what tastes bad. What feels good, what feels bad. What do you think, was it better if we were like babies all our life ? Children don’t argue about religion, but then they rarely look that far ahead either. In many ways the religion of children, before they get indoctrinated, is secular humanist, and objectivist. I for one think children are great and hope that someday I can regain that egotistical childish abandon.
Well, Children … hmm… I remember arguing about religion at the age of 4 to 6. Maybe you mean children before that age ? The argument was: "What is God ???" Because I was raised by an atheist father and secular mother. The other boy was raised by strick Christian parents who told their kids that people get to thrown to a fiery lake if they swear. I found it most discusting to hear that they had been told this kind of horrible stories. The other thing they told me was that "there is a God up there who looks on us behind the cloud" — so that was the point of time when I said my argument and ran to my parents asking, what was God. Was I egoistical when I was a kid ? Hmm… I hardly can remember much other than I always had to share everything with my twin brother. When one of us got something, we shared it. I remember bitterly one summer holiday my brother ate the last pastry and did not share it with me. I guess that marked our divorce from sharing, and the growing of selfishness… sadly. "Tommy, don’t cuss, don’t fight, share your toys"
Nice, did you also have that name ? My twin broter’s Tommi 
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[..] FYI: Of course, Children are selfish, self-centered, egotistical, often violent when frustrated, usually controlled only by fear of force or open ^^^^^^^ I mostly agree with you in this. But the last argument I disagree. Fear to the babies is almost unknown factor, they do not know yet what to fear, so that is why they tend to do things that adults no more do, like cutting the electrical wire with metal sissors (sp?) or going to taste everything… fear is something we learn by experience.
Precisely you prove my point. I used the term Children not baby, but thats ok. A baby does what it wants, to the limit of its abilities. It doesn’t (well maybe it does, but I assume it doesn’t) say I can do this, but I won’t because its bad. Could you give some examples of your fears as a baby ?
As a baby, I don’t remember much, as a CHILD, my first really clear memories are of preschool, where Giants played favorites, allowing some kids to get what they wanted while preventing me from getting what I wanted. I also remember the Giants forcing me to eat spinach by refusing to let me play unless I didn’t. I remember the Giants punishing me for throwing sand back into another kids face, who had done it first to me. It seems that if the Giants don’t see it its ok, but revenge if the Giants see it gets you in trouble no matter how justified. How did your parents bribe you ?
Vanilla ice cream and Star Wars figures if you were good, ie, obedient. A wooden spoon or a leather belt if you were bad, ie disobedient. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Very Dark Pagan when you think about it. Dark Pagan ? What is a dark pagan ? How about herd core pagan ? Dark sounds to me something like … black … not white, misty, mysterous, ying (as oppose to yang). But I agree. Children are what we were meant to be by our creator, as said by both Christ(ians) and Muslims. What then is what we learn when we grow up from childhood ? Knowledge of the good and the bad things, what tastes good, what tastes bad. What feels good, what feels bad. What do you think, was it better if we were like babies all our life ?
I’m not a Christian or a Muslim. My only answer is that lack of knowledge is a bad thing. I would prefer the unfettered ability to do what I want, and the complete wisdom and intelligence to know what actually want. Children don’t argue about religion, but then they rarely look that far ahead either. In many ways the religion of children, before they get indoctrinated, is secular humanist, and objectivist. I for one think children are great and hope that someday I can regain that egotistical childish abandon. Well, Children … hmm… I remember arguing about religion at the age of 4 to 6. Maybe you mean children before that age ?
If you say so. Was I egoistical when I was a kid ? Hmm… I hardly can remember much other than I always had to share everything with my twin brother. When one of us got something, we shared it. I remember bitterly one summer holiday my brother ate the last pastry and did not share it with me. I guess that marked our divorce from sharing, and the growing of selfishness… sadly.
Did you share because you wanted to or because you had too. Strangely I rememeber sharing for many reasons, but when it was a requirement I resented it deeply. "Tommy, don’t cuss, don’t fight, share your toys" Nice, did you also have that name ? My twin broter’s Tommi
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It can be difficult to be of two religions at once, but there is enough breadth of belief in both Wicca and Christianity that there are indeed some who genuinely manage to do it, others for whom it would be a seeming impossibility.
Jesus had a coven too. Much of the *original* Christian teachings go well with the Wicca style. That was before THEY nailed him up as an icon and built a CHURCH in stone around him. Only through OUR door will you be "saved" and we will burn the rest. JST
JST, I agree! I wasn’t what kind of a Wiccan I was since I do believe many elements of christianity and Wicca are one and the same.I don’t believe that the teachings of Yeshua were intended to be used the way organized religion uses them.There are so many things in the bible that ring with truth.The reason I joined Wicca is because I believe this sect is closest to what"God" intended.Harm no one, do all gently,respect all living things,even those that seem unworthy of respect in our faulty mortal opinion.These teachings are the basis of a great majority of religions and I think that all together these are the basic truths.Oh well, thanks for letting me put my two cents in. Peace,Mithuma
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It can be difficult to be of two religions at once, but there is enough breadth of belief in both Wicca and Christianity that there are indeed some who genuinely manage to do it, others for whom it would be a seeming impossibility. Jesus had a coven too. Much of the *original* Christian teachings go well with the Wicca style. That was before THEY nailed him up as an icon and built a CHURCH in stone around him. Only through OUR door will you be "saved" and we will burn the rest. JST
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It can be difficult to be of two religions at once, but there is enough breadth of belief in both Wicca and Christianity that there are indeed some who genuinely manage to do it, others for whom it would be a seeming impossibility. Jesus had a coven too. Much of the *original* Christian teachings go well with the Wicca style. That was before THEY nailed him up as an icon and built a CHURCH in stone around him. Only through OUR door will you be "saved" and we will burn the rest. JST
Even the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross has echoes of Wiccan mystery, For instance the willing sacrifice of the Corn King. It is only those who set Christianity up as a Political / Economic organisation that have warped the beliefs for their own ends. Blessed Be — Steve Paine
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Hi, What do people here who are Wiccan think of Christians? I am a christian and was just wondering. Why are you guys/gals labelled as Satanists?
Could be I’m an exception, since I haven’t bothered to read the other replies first, but unless christians try to shove their beliefs down my throat, I don’t care what they believe. Now if the question would have been "what do you think of Christianity" my answer would be waaaaay different. Satanists? I’d guess out of ignorance. Nothing more. — Nik/the undead [thanks Bitey] Undo NOTs for email. http://home.sc.rr.com/casanikaia/ http://www.crosswinds.net/~casanikaia/ sorry, IE only – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chris
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snip< am a wixccan .. pagan yes wiccan no).
Oh I like that noinden! Wixccan. Cool! — Nik/the undead [thanks Bitey] Undo NOTs for email. http://home.sc.rr.com/casanikaia/ http://www.crosswinds.net/~casanikaia/ sorry, IE only
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But basically it is Christians trying to assert their control over a New religion! Or an older religion than that of the followers of the great sorcerer of Nazareth, a great deal of xian religion is taken from pagan sources, from the Worship of Mary (Isis, mother of god etc. etc.) to the various festivals, group Hierarchy, mass, baptism, even their book and stories have their origins in non Xian pre Judaic times and places. Versions of the 23 psalm (I could be wrong About the number) have been found in Egyptian tombs of the old dynasties. Even The famous "time to be born time to die time to reap time to sow" from Ecclesiastics has been found in pre Christian documents outside of the Jewish Tradition I might add.
Of course Wicca and the other Neopagan (and even Mesopagan) paths while being able to claim roots far older than the Christian faith, are infact creatures of the late 19th and early to mid 20th century (ok various meso groups (Masons, Druidic lodges, Golden dawn etc) are a lot older but not pre Christian)). So to claim so (along with saying the "burning times was a war against witches) is a tad bombastic and very inaccurate. Christianity (if you want to spell it with an x or an xt feel free but we are not Greek her nor using a Greek alphabet), can be traced to deriving many of it’s ideas DIRECTLY from Roman "Mystery" cults (Mithrasian in particular) BUT just because it begs borrows and steals does not make it an invalid one! Further "Uncle Gerry", "Uncle Alex", and "Aunt Doreen" (Gardner, Sanders, Valentine) plus other early Wiccans and pagans ("Great Uncle Ross" (Nichols "founder" of the OBOD) beg borrowed and stole ideas from various sources. Wicca is NOT the old religion, Druidry is not an unbroken line, Asatru Heathens are not of unsullied stock etc. Quballah is not something a paleopagan priest/priestess in Europe would have used. Just because we call he fire festivals by Irish names does not mean we are true to the old ways (especially by using a Saxon word like Wicca (or Wicce for you girls)). There is no old religion (ie there can NOT be only one), but neopagans are in the spirit of many (if a bit "fluffy" in some cases) Etc Etc Etc NOW fundie bible bashing, god bothering, in your face, evangelical Christians can be a right royal pain in he proverbial. Best way to deal with them … is more informed! Don’t get anti Christian because of them. After all they are anti "pagan" because of what some call "Gothic witchcraft" i.e. "satanic practice" as the Inquisition stated it done! As I said read Isaac Bonewitts ebook and or home page! I recommend the "Bonewitts cult form"…. Paganism is not a cult…. Most form of Christianity are! Slainte Gareth
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Yes; We really ought to somehow copyright the image of Cerrunus and demand that the christians use Al Pacino as Satan. Caillean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – depends on the xtian… no one respects someone who talks down on them… especially the xtians who don’t have a clue about where their own religion came from… we’re labeled stanists because it’s a sure way to convince the christian masses how evil we are… oh, and that pesky portrayal of satan the church stole from paganism…. BTW: I’m not a wiccan… just a pagan… Hi, What do people here who are Wiccan think of Christians? I am a christian and was just wondering. Why are you guys/gals labelled as Satanists? Chris -* The WarLorDz BBS telnet://warlordz.darktech.org
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:::::::paging throught my copy of Malleus Malefactorum to bone up on those satanic practices. BTW—during my psych residency they did state the book did a very good job isolating and categorizing various mental illnesses. Caillean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But basically it is Christians trying to assert their control over a New religion! Or an older religion than that of the followers of the great sorcerer of Nazareth, a great deal of xian religion is taken from pagan sources, from the Worship of Mary (Isis, mother of god etc. etc.) to the various festivals, group Hierarchy, mass, baptism, even their book and stories have their origins in non Xian pre Judaic times and places. Versions of the 23 psalm (I could be wrong About the number) have been found in Egyptian tombs of the old dynasties. Even The famous "time to be born time to die time to reap time to sow" from Ecclesiastics has been found in pre Christian documents outside of the Jewish Tradition I might add. Of course Wicca and the other Neopagan (and even Mesopagan) paths while being able to claim roots far older than the Christian faith, are infact creatures of the late 19th and early to mid 20th century (ok various meso groups (Masons, Druidic lodges, Golden dawn etc) are a lot older but not pre Christian)). So to claim so (along with saying the "burning times was a war against witches) is a tad bombastic and very inaccurate. Christianity (if you want to spell it with an x or an xt feel free but we are not Greek her nor using a Greek alphabet), can be traced to deriving many of it’s ideas DIRECTLY from Roman "Mystery" cults (Mithrasian in particular) BUT just because it begs borrows and steals does not make it an invalid one! Further "Uncle Gerry", "Uncle Alex", and "Aunt Doreen" (Gardner, Sanders, Valentine) plus other early Wiccans and pagans ("Great Uncle Ross" (Nichols "founder" of the OBOD) beg borrowed and stole ideas from various sources. Wicca is NOT the old religion, Druidry is not an unbroken line, Asatru Heathens are not of unsullied stock etc. Quballah is not something a paleopagan priest/priestess in Europe would have used. Just because we call he fire festivals by Irish names does not mean we are true to the old ways (especially by using a Saxon word like Wicca (or Wicce for you girls)). There is no old religion (ie there can NOT be only one), but neopagans are in the spirit of many (if a bit "fluffy" in some cases) Etc Etc Etc NOW fundie bible bashing, god bothering, in your face, evangelical Christians can be a right royal pain in he proverbial. Best way to deal with them … is more informed! Don’t get anti Christian because of them. After all they are anti "pagan" because of what some call "Gothic witchcraft" i.e. "satanic practice" as the Inquisition stated it done! As I said read Isaac Bonewitts ebook and or home page! I recommend the "Bonewitts cult form"…. Paganism is not a cult…. Most form of Christianity are! Slainte Gareth
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Is he really University trained? He sure doesn’t sound like it….he sounds like an idiot to me….
He claims to be a research chemist working on an advanced degree and a meso-druid, who in his childish way allows him to think somehow his dressup rote and verse reconstructionism allows him to pretend he knows alot and places his religion as thousands of years more ancient than the 20th century construct of modern Wicca. The problem is that many of us were not initiated nor taught from a modern system making his drivel moot.. Actually on any discussion of hermetics, metaphysics or alchemy let alone archaeastronomical alignments of ancient megalithic sites leaves him with his dick in the dirt as he drools out the paradigms of 20th century institutionalized corporate science. BirdTribe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But basically it is Christians trying to assert their control over a New religion! Or an older religion than that of the followers of the great sorcerer of Nazareth, a great deal of xian religion is taken from pagan sources, from the Worship of Mary (Isis, mother of god etc. etc.) to the various festivals, group Hierarchy, mass, baptism, even their book and stories have their origins in non Xian pre Judaic times and places. Versions of the 23 psalm (I could be wrong About the number) have been found in Egyptian tombs of the old dynasties. Even The famous "time to be born time to die time to reap time to sow" from Ecclesiastics has been found in pre Christian documents outside of the Jewish Tradition I might add. Of course Wicca and the other Neopagan (and even Mesopagan) paths while being able to claim roots far older than the Christian faith, are infact creatures of the late 19th and early to mid 20th century (ok various meso groups (Masons, Druidic lodges, Golden dawn etc) are a lot older but not pre Christian)). Bullshit.. You are trying to hop up the authenticity of your path. There is much less known about druidic practices than ancient Goddess worship and circle casting.. Go study outside the field of cults and into archaeology and use analogical deduction.. Something, that for a University trained observer you seem quite lacking in the skills of. BirdTribe So to claim so (along with saying the "burning times was a war against witches) is a tad bombastic and very inaccurate. Christianity (if you want to spell it with an x or an xt feel free but we are not Greek her nor using a Greek alphabet), can be traced to deriving many of it’s ideas DIRECTLY from Roman "Mystery" cults (Mithrasian in particular) BUT just because it begs borrows and steals does not make it an invalid one! Further "Uncle Gerry", "Uncle Alex", and "Aunt Doreen" (Gardner, Sanders, Valentine) plus other early Wiccans and pagans ("Great Uncle Ross" (Nichols "founder" of the OBOD) beg borrowed and stole ideas from various sources. Wicca is NOT the old religion, Druidry is not an unbroken line, Asatru Heathens are not of unsullied stock etc. Quballah is not something a paleopagan priest/priestess in Europe would have used. Just because we call he fire festivals by Irish names does not mean we are true to the old ways (especially by using a Saxon word like Wicca (or Wicce for you girls)). There is no old religion (ie there can NOT be only one), but neopagans are in the spirit of many (if a bit "fluffy" in some cases) Etc Etc Etc NOW fundie bible bashing, god bothering, in your face, evangelical Christians can be a right royal pain in he proverbial. Best way to deal with them … is more informed! Don’t get anti Christian because of them. After all they are anti "pagan" because of what some call "Gothic witchcraft" i.e. "satanic practice" as the Inquisition stated it done! As I said read Isaac Bonewitts ebook and or home page! I recommend the "Bonewitts cult form"…. Paganism is not a cult…. Most form of Christianity are! Slainte Gareth —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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Is he really University trained? He sure doesn’t sound like it….he sounds like an idiot to me…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But basically it is Christians trying to assert their control over a New religion! Or an older religion than that of the followers of the great sorcerer of Nazareth, a great deal of xian religion is taken from pagan sources, from the Worship of Mary (Isis, mother of god etc. etc.) to the various festivals, group Hierarchy, mass, baptism, even their book and stories have their origins in non Xian pre Judaic times and places. Versions of the 23 psalm (I could be wrong About the number) have been found in Egyptian tombs of the old dynasties. Even The famous "time to be born time to die time to reap time to sow" from Ecclesiastics has been found in pre Christian documents outside of the Jewish Tradition I might add. Of course Wicca and the other Neopagan (and even Mesopagan) paths while being able to claim roots far older than the Christian faith, are infact creatures of the late 19th and early to mid 20th century (ok various meso groups (Masons, Druidic lodges, Golden dawn etc) are a lot older but not pre Christian)). Bullshit.. You are trying to hop up the authenticity of your path. There is much less known about druidic practices than ancient Goddess worship and circle casting.. Go study outside the field of cults and into archaeology and use analogical deduction.. Something, that for a University trained observer you seem quite lacking in the skills of. BirdTribe So to claim so (along with saying the "burning times was a war against witches) is a tad bombastic and very inaccurate. Christianity (if you want to spell it with an x or an xt feel free but we are not Greek her nor using a Greek alphabet), can be traced to deriving many of it’s ideas DIRECTLY from Roman "Mystery" cults (Mithrasian in particular) BUT just because it begs borrows and steals does not make it an invalid one! Further "Uncle Gerry", "Uncle Alex", and "Aunt Doreen" (Gardner, Sanders, Valentine) plus other early Wiccans and pagans ("Great Uncle Ross" (Nichols "founder" of the OBOD) beg borrowed and stole ideas from various sources. Wicca is NOT the old religion, Druidry is not an unbroken line, Asatru Heathens are not of unsullied stock etc. Quballah is not something a paleopagan priest/priestess in Europe would have used. Just because we call he fire festivals by Irish names does not mean we are true to the old ways (especially by using a Saxon word like Wicca (or Wicce for you girls)). There is no old religion (ie there can NOT be only one), but neopagans are in the spirit of many (if a bit "fluffy" in some cases) Etc Etc Etc NOW fundie bible bashing, god bothering, in your face, evangelical Christians can be a right royal pain in he proverbial. Best way to deal with them … is more informed! Don’t get anti Christian because of them. After all they are anti "pagan" because of what some call "Gothic witchcraft" i.e. "satanic practice" as the Inquisition stated it done! As I said read Isaac Bonewitts ebook and or home page! I recommend the "Bonewitts cult form"…. Paganism is not a cult…. Most form of Christianity are! Slainte Gareth
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Huh? What fruit wagan did you fall off of…you should go check your history books a little better…….many of the Pagan religions today can trace their roots back far beyond christianity….back to Zoroaster and even farther….. The celtic peoples were pagans centuries before the Jews went to Egypt…the roots of the druids have never been found…..and there are sects today that are far older than Egypt, Troy or Greece christianity is the new kid on the block and is acting like a spoiled bully…. As far as the Burning Times…it most certainly was a war against witches…..and the Malleus Mallefecarum is proof of that…..even the Catholic church admits it…..so get your head on straight before you speak…… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But basically it is Christians trying to assert their control over a New religion! Or an older religion than that of the followers of the great sorcerer of Nazareth, a great deal of xian religion is taken from pagan sources, from the Worship of Mary (Isis, mother of god etc. etc.) to the various festivals, group Hierarchy, mass, baptism, even their book and stories have their origins in non Xian pre Judaic times and places. Versions of the 23 psalm (I could be wrong About the number) have been found in Egyptian tombs of the old dynasties. Even The famous "time to be born time to die time to reap time to sow" from Ecclesiastics has been found in pre Christian documents outside of the Jewish Tradition I might add. Of course Wicca and the other Neopagan (and even Mesopagan) paths while being able to claim roots far older than the Christian faith, are infact creatures of the late 19th and early to mid 20th century (ok various meso groups (Masons, Druidic lodges, Golden dawn etc) are a lot older but not pre Christian)). So to claim so (along with saying the "burning times was a war against witches) is a tad bombastic and very inaccurate. Christianity (if you want to spell it with an x or an xt feel free but we are not Greek her nor using a Greek alphabet), can be traced to deriving many of it’s ideas DIRECTLY from Roman "Mystery" cults (Mithrasian in particular) BUT just because it begs borrows and steals does not make it an invalid one! Further "Uncle Gerry", "Uncle Alex", and "Aunt Doreen" (Gardner, Sanders, Valentine) plus other early Wiccans and pagans ("Great Uncle Ross" (Nichols "founder" of the OBOD) beg borrowed and stole ideas from various sources. Wicca is NOT the old religion, Druidry is not an unbroken line, Asatru Heathens are not of unsullied stock etc. Quballah is not something a paleopagan priest/priestess in Europe would have used. Just because we call he fire festivals by Irish names does not mean we are true to the old ways (especially by using a Saxon word like Wicca (or Wicce for you girls)). There is no old religion (ie there can NOT be only one), but neopagans are in the spirit of many (if a bit "fluffy" in some cases) Etc Etc Etc NOW fundie bible bashing, god bothering, in your face, evangelical Christians can be a right royal pain in he proverbial. Best way to deal with them … is more informed! Don’t get anti Christian because of them. After all they are anti "pagan" because of what some call "Gothic witchcraft" i.e. "satanic practice" as the Inquisition stated it done! As I said read Isaac Bonewitts ebook and or home page! I recommend the "Bonewitts cult form"…. Paganism is not a cult…. Most form of Christianity are! Slainte Gareth
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Most Wiccans are tolerant of christians when left alone by them, unfortunately, that is rare. It’s that nasty habit you all have of trying to covert us from our path that annoys us….I for one grew up in the church and left it…the reasons are varied…I just hate being Witnessed to….I don’t care what you believe…and I don’t want to hear it…… As for being labelled Satanists…well, that’s the church who did that….anything not christian has to be of the devil….well, it was Jesus who invented Satan….not us….so it’s the christians who must deal with him…Pagans don’t believe in Satan….tho we have several male gods who could look like the church’s description of him…but ours are not evil…just a bit mischievious from time to time…Pan comes to mind….and the Green Man…. Hi, What do people here who are Wiccan think of Christians? I am a christian and was just wondering. Why are you guys/gals labelled as Satanists? Chris
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LOL…I totally agree…..can it be done? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes; We really ought to somehow copyright the image of Cerrunus and demand that the christians use Al Pacino as Satan. Caillean depends on the xtian… no one respects someone who talks down on them… especially the xtians who don’t have a clue about where their own religion came from… we’re labeled stanists because it’s a sure way to convince the christian masses how evil we are… oh, and that pesky portrayal of satan the church stole from paganism…. BTW: I’m not a wiccan… just a pagan… Hi, What do people here who are Wiccan think of Christians? I am a christian and was just wondering. Why are you guys/gals labelled as Satanists? Chris -* The WarLorDz BBS telnet://warlordz.darktech.org
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Of course Wicca and the other Neopagan (and even Mesopagan) paths While being able to claim roots far older than the Christian faith, Are infact creatures of the late 19th and early to mid 20th century? (Ok various meso groups (Masons, Druidic lodges, Golden dawn etc) are A lot older but not pre Christian)). Bullshit. You are trying to hop up the authenticity of your path. There is much less Known about Druidic practices than ancient Goddess worship and circle casting. Go study Outside the field of cults and into archaeology and use analogical deduction. Something, that for a University trained observer you seem quite lacking in the skills Of. BirdTribe
Oh look it’s the guy getting his ass kicked by Carl. You are a grudge keeping know nothing Randy "would not recognise a fact if it bit him" Blaine. Run along and play with your crystals. You tell nothing of your path yet seem so defensive of it. You attack folk with out discrimination IF you had the nous to actually read my post you would have seen I criticised Druidry as well. I was talking of MESODRUIDIC lodges. Now I know you would have no idea of what this is as you area sheltered insular little hick, but try to keep up! The Druidic lodges were founded in about 1765, on top of this you have the Bardic colleges that formed a tad earlier. NeoDruids (such as I) make no claim to a long unbroken lineage! Then again it is "wiccans" like you who prescribe to Ms Murray and Leyland’s ideas that make other more educated wiccans cringe! Now go play on the high way like any good soon to be road kill would … because it will save you the embarrassment of getting beaten by a Troll like Carl! Oh and stop sounding so jealous that I have an education
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