Christianity QA

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Perhaps, but you *are* the interloper in the newsgroup, not she.

This is not a newsgroup "for" Catholicism. This is a newsgroup *about* Catholicism. So how do you presume to define who the "interloper" is? Jeff Shirton

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : "frank w elliott jr" : By my calculations, Catholics still owe me another six years of : silence in return. : So sit down and shut the fuck up. : + Dawn asked a perfectly reasonable question. : + I personally was interested in an intelligent answer. : + Instead, I get an alanferris/karen/priestess/troll-like answer. : + I’ll do ol frankie a favor. : + I’ll kill-file him and give him his silence that he so longs for. Thanks.

Do not be so happy, he still answers those he killfiles….. Alan Ferris. — Karen Growing old is inevitable. Growing up is still an option.

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:: "frank w elliott jr" :: By my calculations, Catholics still owe me another six years of :: silence in return. :: So sit down and shut the fuck up. : :: + Dawn asked a perfectly reasonable question. :: + I personally was interested in an intelligent answer. :: + Instead, I get an alanferris/karen/priestess/troll-like answer. :: + I’ll do ol frankie a favor. :: + I’ll kill-file him and give him his silence that he so longs for. : : : : :Thanks. : Do not be so happy, he still answers those he killfiles….. : Alan Ferris. : — I’ve noticed that DaWNoftHEFOreST does the same thing. Frank

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Your foul mouth failed to answer why you are here, that WAS the question. : You have just stated that the Catholic church failed you, and you :left – what are you still doing in a Catholic newsgroup then??? : Due to your profanity and anti Catholic posts I have no choice but to killfile :you. I hope you wake up soon. Goodbye and may God forgive you what you write :here against Him, Dawn : :Tell me Dawn, why do you ask a question that you will not hear the :answer to?  From this it seems you do not really want to hear how the :church has failed people.  So why did you ask? : Although it wasn’t unfair of her to come into a Catholic newsgroup and : be horrified to  encounter embittered ex-catholics.  It isn’t as if : she posted in alt-recovery-roman-catholicism.   She got less than she deserved.

Perhaps, but you *are* the interloper in the newsgroup, not she.

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:: Your foul mouth failed to answer why you are here, that WAS the question. :: You have just stated that the Catholic church failed you, and you ::left – what are you still doing in a Catholic newsgroup then??? :: Due to your profanity and anti Catholic posts I have no choice but to killfile ::you. I hope you wake up soon. Goodbye and may God forgive you what you write ::here against Him, Dawn :: ::Tell me Dawn, why do you ask a question that you will not hear the ::answer to?  From this it seems you do not really want to hear how the ::church has failed people.  So why did you ask? : :: Although it wasn’t unfair of her to come into a Catholic newsgroup and :: be horrified to  encounter embittered ex-catholics.  It isn’t as if :: she posted in alt-recovery-roman-catholicism.   :She got less than she deserved. : Perhaps, but you *are* the interloper in the newsgroup, not she. Please do remember that when the Church or heterosexuals in general wish to make pronouncements on the lives and character of gay people that the Church and heterosexuals in general are interlopers. Remember that when Caen Cardinal Ratzinger comes to San Francisco, the on city on Earth that has declared itself a refuge for gay people, and condemns us and tells us we have no right to peaceably assemble, that your Church is the interloper.

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The stance against gays and lesbians, like that of married priests and women priests, is not necessarily a discipline that will stand forever,

Of the three things you mentioned, only the one about married priests refers to a changeable discipline. Women priests falls into the category of something that has never been approved, nor can it be, as the Church in this is only following the example of Christ. Homosexual activity is a sin, and will always be a sin.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Your foul mouth failed to answer why you are here, that WAS the question. You have just stated that the Catholic church failed you, and you left – what are you still doing in a Catholic newsgroup then??? Due to your profanity and anti Catholic posts I have no choice but to killfile you. I hope you wake up soon. Goodbye and may God forgive you what you write here against Him, Dawn Tell me Dawn, why do you ask a question that you will not hear the answer to?  From this it seems you do not really want to hear how the church has failed people.  So why did you ask? Although it wasn’t unfair of her to come into a Catholic newsgroup and be horrified to  encounter embittered ex-catholics.  It isn’t as if she posted in alt-recovery-roman-catholicism.  

True, but I still fail to see why people ask a question, only to ignore the answer.  Shows to me that they never want to learn the answer.  Which always makes me ask, why, what do they fear? Alan Ferris. — Karen Growing old is inevitable. Growing up is still an option.

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"frank w elliott jr" By my calculations, Catholics still owe me another six years of silence in return. So sit down and shut the fuck up.

+ Dawn asked a perfectly reasonable question. + I personally was interested in an intelligent answer. + Instead, I get an alanferris/karen/priestess/troll-like answer. + I’ll do ol frankie a favor. + I’ll kill-file him and give him his silence that he so longs for.

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: "frank w elliott jr" : By my calculations, Catholics still owe me another six years of : silence in return. : So sit down and shut the fuck up. : + Dawn asked a perfectly reasonable question. : + I personally was interested in an intelligent answer. : + Instead, I get an alanferris/karen/priestess/troll-like answer. : + I’ll do ol frankie a favor. : + I’ll kill-file him and give him his silence that he so longs for. Thanks.

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Test – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The United Church of Christ in Boston is planning to ordain two lesbians and one trans-gender individual next year. They have male gay ministers already. If you are Christian, that would seem to be a church you would enjoy. If you think the Catholic church is wrong, why not join the UCC? This is nothing new. The Episcopal Diocese of California has numerous gays and lesbians as clergy. I believe the same is true for many Episcopal dioceses throughout the country. Probably the principal reason why the UCC has little attraction to catholics is that it lacks all the historical foundations of the Christian Church: Episcopal collegiality, consensus of the faithful, venerable tradition, and the holy scriptures. Perhaps the UCC has most of the catholic scriptures, but not all of them, and it doesn’t take seriously to offer the sacrifice of the Eucharist in which Christ’s Body and Blood become the spiritual food for our earthly pilgrimage. Most of us love and respect the Church, for she is not just an institution, but also an organism. She is the Body and Bride of Christ, in both the mystical and literal senses. She has continued the commission given to the apostles and has remained faithful in the apostles’ teaching and fellowship, the breaking of bread, and the prayers. But her institutional side, as is often the case, is ultramontane and ultra-disciplinarian, despite scriptural injunctions against both. So while she has authentic bishops, presbyters, and deacons, some of them have gone off the deep end, and we’re here to give those she marginalizes a voice. This Pope and his hatchet man will pass. Indeed, many shameless Popes and bishops have held office in the Church, and despite their wretched lives and unholy unorthodox practices, the Church purdue because of a guarantee given her from the beginning. Christ commissioned one set of apostles and instituted but one Church, and those who have its properties from the beginning continue in that Church. The stance against gays and lesbians, like that of married priests and women priests, is not necessarily a discipline that will stand forever, and even if it does, those of faith know such adverse influences may be detrimental to others, but not to the faithful. The UCC is a relative novice in spiritual affairs and has undergone so many reincarnations it’s difficult to know what spiritual affairs it intends to nurture. If you find it a vehicle for your own spirituality, I cannot fight experience; but when it comes to the Church that Christ established on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, the catholic Church is it. Kind regards, D. Stephen Heersink San Francisco

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: Your foul mouth failed to answer why you are here, that WAS the question. : You have just stated that the Catholic church failed you, and you :left – what are you still doing in a Catholic newsgroup then??? : Due to your profanity and anti Catholic posts I have no choice but to killfile :you. I hope you wake up soon. Goodbye and may God forgive you what you write :here against Him, Dawn : :Tell me Dawn, why do you ask a question that you will not hear the :answer to?  From this it seems you do not really want to hear how the :church has failed people.  So why did you ask? : Although it wasn’t unfair of her to come into a Catholic newsgroup and : be horrified to  encounter embittered ex-catholics.  It isn’t as if : she posted in alt-recovery-roman-catholicism.   She got less than she deserved.

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 Your foul mouth failed to answer why you are here, that WAS the question.  You have just stated that the Catholic church failed you, and you left – what are you still doing in a Catholic newsgroup then???  Due to your profanity and anti Catholic posts I have no choice but to killfile you. I hope you wake up soon. Goodbye and may God forgive you what you write here against Him, Dawn

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Time to stop blaming the Church and deal with your issues.  Hatred is a poison, my friend. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Hello all, : I would like an answer, ( no ’smart’ remarks please) to what exactly you derive : from being here and posting to our group? : The United Church of Christ in Boston is planning to ordain two lesbians and : one trans-gender individual next year. They have male gay ministers already. If : you are Christian, that would seem to be a church you would enjoy. If you think : the Catholic church is wrong, why not join the UCC? : Instead, you come here and complain about our doctrines. Why? : What purpose does that serve? Do you think anything will change because you : write something in a newsgroup? We are Catholics here, and this is a newsgroup : for Catholics. If you disagree with our faith why are you here? Homosexuality : will always be a mortal sin in the Catholic church. No amount of complaining : will change that. : You either trust this doctrine or you are free to go elsewhere, it’s really : rather simple. Endless rants regarding what you perceive to be wrong : will not change our doctrine one iota. Sorry, but that is the simple truth. :  I don’t believe in Hinduism. The difference is that I do not go to Hindu : newsgroups and post complaints about their faith. I accept that I will never be : Hindu and I move on. : Gays, Christian fundamentalists, Wiccans, Satanists – all post here even though : there are numerous groups for their particular interests. : I really wonder what the fascination is with Catholicism? Being raised Catholic and being Catholic for the first 37 years of my life? You know absolutely nothing about the relationship between gay people and the RCC.  I listened to ignorant Catholics like you pontificate about gay people from the time I was thirteen until the time I was thirty.  All the time I was aware that I was gay but remained a silent, celibate, obedient catholic.  I changed when my church betrayed me.  I gave Catholics 17 years of polite, painful silence. By my calculations, Catholics still owe me another six years of silence in return. So sit down and shut the fuck up. Frank

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Hello all, I would like an answer, ( no ’smart’ remarks please) to what exactly you derive from being here and posting to our group? The United Church of Christ in Boston is planning to ordain two lesbians and one trans-gender individual next year. They have male gay ministers already. If you are Christian, that would seem to be a church you would enjoy. If you think the Catholic church is wrong, why not join the UCC? Instead, you come here and complain about our doctrines. Why? What purpose does that serve? Do you think anything will change because you write something in a newsgroup? We are Catholics here, and this is a newsgroup for Catholics. If you disagree with our faith why are you here? Homosexuality will always be a mortal sin in the Catholic church. No amount of complaining will change that. You either trust this doctrine or you are free to go elsewhere, it’s really rather simple. Endless rants regarding what you perceive to be wrong will not change our doctrine one iota. Sorry, but that is the simple truth.  I don’t believe in Hinduism. The difference is that I do not go to Hindu newsgroups and post complaints about their faith. I accept that I will never be Hindu and I move on. Gays, Christian fundamentalists, Wiccans, Satanists – all post here even though there are numerous groups for their particular interests. I really wonder what the fascination is with Catholicism? Could they all really believe deep down that we are right? Is that nagging fear what really angers so many? If so, God is trying to tell you something!                Happy New Year &              Thank you for your time, Dawn

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Your foul mouth failed to answer why you are here, that WAS the question. You have just stated that the Catholic church failed you, and you left – what are you still doing in a Catholic newsgroup then??? Due to your profanity and anti Catholic posts I have no choice but to killfile you. I hope you wake up soon. Goodbye and may God forgive you what you write here against Him, Dawn Tell me Dawn, why do you ask a question that you will not hear the answer to?  From this it seems you do not really want to hear how the church has failed people.  So why did you ask?

Although it wasn’t unfair of her to come into a Catholic newsgroup and be horrified to  encounter embittered ex-catholics.  It isn’t as if she posted in alt-recovery-roman-catholicism.  

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The United Church of Christ in Boston is planning to ordain two lesbians and one trans-gender individual next year. They have male gay ministers already. If you are Christian, that would seem to be a church you would enjoy. If you think the Catholic church is wrong, why not join the UCC?

This is nothing new. The Episcopal Diocese of California has numerous gays and lesbians as clergy. I believe the same is true for many Episcopal dioceses throughout the country. Probably the principal reason why the UCC has little attraction to catholics is that it lacks all the historical foundations of the Christian Church: Episcopal collegiality, consensus of the faithful, venerable tradition, and the holy scriptures. Perhaps the UCC has most of the catholic scriptures, but not all of them, and it doesn’t take seriously to offer the sacrifice of the Eucharist in which Christ’s Body and Blood become the spiritual food for our earthly pilgrimage. Most of us love and respect the Church, for she is not just an institution, but also an organism. She is the Body and Bride of Christ, in both the mystical and literal senses. She has continued the commission given to the apostles and has remained faithful in the apostles’ teaching and fellowship, the breaking of bread, and the prayers. But her institutional side, as is often the case, is ultramontane and ultra-disciplinarian, despite scriptural injunctions against both. So while she has authentic bishops, presbyters, and deacons, some of them have gone off the deep end, and we’re here to give those she marginalizes a voice. This Pope and his hatchet man will pass. Indeed, many shameless Popes and bishops have held office in the Church, and despite their wretched lives and unholy unorthodox practices, the Church purdue because of a guarantee given her from the beginning. Christ commissioned one set of apostles and instituted but one Church, and those who have its properties from the beginning continue in that Church. The stance against gays and lesbians, like that of married priests and women priests, is not necessarily a discipline that will stand forever, and even if it does, those of faith know such adverse influences may be detrimental to others, but not to the faithful. The UCC is a relative novice in spiritual affairs and has undergone so many reincarnations it’s difficult to know what spiritual affairs it intends to nurture. If you find it a vehicle for your own spirituality, I cannot fight experience; but when it comes to the Church that Christ established on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, the catholic Church is it. Kind regards, D. Stephen Heersink San Francisco

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(snipped) By my calculations, Catholics still owe me another six years of silence in return.

If it’s "Catholic silence" you want, then why post to a Catholic group? That was the point of the thread, I believe.

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Your foul mouth failed to answer why you are here, that WAS the question. You have just stated that the Catholic church failed you, and you left – what are you still doing in a Catholic newsgroup then??? Due to your profanity and anti Catholic posts I have no choice but to killfile you. I hope you wake up soon. Goodbye and may God forgive you what you write here against Him, Dawn

Tell me Dawn, why do you ask a question that you will not hear the answer to?  From this it seems you do not really want to hear how the church has failed people.  So why did you ask? Alan Ferris.

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: Hello all, : I would like an answer, ( no ’smart’ remarks please) to what exactly you derive : from being here and posting to our group? : The United Church of Christ in Boston is planning to ordain two lesbians and : one trans-gender individual next year. They have male gay ministers already. If : you are Christian, that would seem to be a church you would enjoy. If you think : the Catholic church is wrong, why not join the UCC? : Instead, you come here and complain about our doctrines. Why? : What purpose does that serve? Do you think anything will change because you : write something in a newsgroup? We are Catholics here, and this is a newsgroup : for Catholics. If you disagree with our faith why are you here? Homosexuality : will always be a mortal sin in the Catholic church. No amount of complaining : will change that. : You either trust this doctrine or you are free to go elsewhere, it’s really : rather simple. Endless rants regarding what you perceive to be wrong : will not change our doctrine one iota. Sorry, but that is the simple truth. :  I don’t believe in Hinduism. The difference is that I do not go to Hindu : newsgroups and post complaints about their faith. I accept that I will never be : Hindu and I move on. : Gays, Christian fundamentalists, Wiccans, Satanists – all post here even though : there are numerous groups for their particular interests. : I really wonder what the fascination is with Catholicism? Being raised Catholic and being Catholic for the first 37 years of my life? You know absolutely nothing about the relationship between gay people and the RCC.  I listened to ignorant Catholics like you pontificate about gay people from the time I was thirteen until the time I was thirty.  All the time I was aware that I was gay but remained a silent, celibate, obedient catholic.  I changed when my church betrayed me.  I gave Catholics 17 years of polite, painful silence. By my calculations, Catholics still owe me another six years of silence in return. So sit down and shut the fuck up. Frank

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P.S.I do not ask for private email, as I am certain the entire group will want to know the answer.           Thank you, Dawn

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