Christianity QA

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – None of these verses made your point at all. 2. The first Christians did not even have a Bible. They didn’t? No, it wasn’t written yet. The only thing they had was the OT. The Bible has not been compiled yet and was written over a ~90 year span. So an entire generation did not have the Bible. 1Tm:4:1: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; (KJV) Sounds like a perfect description of the so-called Protestant reformation (better called a revolt) and the tens of thousands of sects that have been the result. 5. NOWHERE in Scripture does it claim to the the sole source of God’s truth. So anyone who tell you that you can only believe what is in the Bible, is asking you to believe something that is not in the Bible. Is:8:20:  To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.  (KJV) Another verse that is totally irrelevant to the point. And again I will say, NOWHERE in Scripture does it claim to the the sole source of God’s truth.

Indeed, it cannot be if He created the universe, it is a source as well, by default. 8^)  So anyone who tell you that you can only believe what is in the Bible, is asking you to believe something that is not in the Bible.

Or their own eyes. Isnt that ultimately where the decision, erm, “lies"?

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None of these verses made your point at all. 2. The first Christians did not even have a Bible. They didn’t?

No, it wasn’t written yet. The only thing they had was the OT. The Bible has not been compiled yet and was written over a ~90 year span. So an entire generation did not have the Bible. 1Tm:4:1: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; (KJV)

Sounds like a perfect description of the so-called Protestant reformation (better called a revolt) and the tens of thousands of sects that have been the result. 5. NOWHERE in Scripture does it claim to the the sole source of God’s truth. So anyone who tell you that you can only believe what is in the Bible, is asking you to believe something that is not in the Bible. Is:8:20:  To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.  (KJV)

Another verse that is totally irrelevant to the point. And again I will say, NOWHERE in Scripture does it claim to the the sole source of God’s truth. So anyone who tell you that you can only believe what is in the Bible, is asking you to believe something that is not in the Bible.

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It looks like the entire NT needs to be thrown out then, since it was written after Deut. was written. Dt:4:2: Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.  (KJV)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Those who condemn the Catholic Church should consider the following facts to reject the concept of sola scripura: 1. Until Luther, the Christian church neve taught such a thing. Sola Scriptura is a johnny-come-lately man-mad doctrine. 2. The first Christians did not even have a Bible. 3. Just look at how the Sola Scriptura has fragmented Christianity resulting in tens of thousands of protestant and non-denom religions. 4. 1 Tim 3:15 15.  if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth. The Scriptures themselves say that the CHURCH is the pillar of truth. 5. NOWHERE in Scripture does it claim to the the sole source of God’s truth. So anyone who tell you that you can only believe what is in the Bible, is asking you to believe something that is not in the Bible.

 THE MASSORAH. All the oldest and best manuscripts of the Hebrew Bible contain on every page, beside the Text (which is arranged in two or more columns), a varying number of lines of smaller writing, distributed between the upper and lower margins. This smaller writing is called the Massorah Magna or Great Massorah, while that in the side margins and between the columns is called the Massorah Parva or Small Massorah. The small writing in the margins in this particular Manuscript is seen to occupy seven lines in the lower margin, and four lines in the upper; while in the outer margins and between the three columns is the Massorah Para. The word Massorah is from the root masar, to deliver something into the hand of another, so as to commit it to his trust. Hence the name is given to the small writing referred to, because it contains information necessary to those into whose trust the Sacred Text was committed, so that they might transcribe it, and hand it down correctly. The Text itself had been fixed before the Massorites were put in charge of it. This had been the work of the Sopherim (from saphar, to count, or number). Their work, under Ezra and Nehemiah, was to set the Text in order after the return from Babylon; and we read of it in Nehemiah 8:8 1 (compare Ezra 7:6,11). The men of "the Great Synagogue" completed the work. This work lasted about 110 years, from Nehemiah to Simon the first, 410-300 B.C. The Sopherim were the authorized revisers of the Sacred Text; and, their work being completed, the Massorites were the authorized custodians of it. Their work was to preserve it. The Massorah is called "A Fence to the Scriptures," because it locked all words and letters in their places. It does not contain notes or comments as such, but facts and phenomena. It records the number of times the several letters occur in the various books of the Bible; the number of words, and the middle word; the number of verses, and the middle verse; the number of expressions and combinations of words, etc. All this, not from a perverted ingenuity, but for the set purpose of safeguarding the Sacred Text, and preventing the loss or misplacement of a single letter or word. This Massorah is not contained in the margins of any one Manuscript. No Manuscript contains the whole, or even the same part. It is spread over many Manuscripts, and Dr. C.D. Ginsburg has been the first and only scholar who has set himself to collect and collate the whole, copying it from every available Manuscript in the libraries of many countries. He has published it in three large folio volumes, and only a small number of copies has been printed. These are obtainable only by the original subscribers When the Hebrew Text was printed, only the large type in the columns was regarded, and small type of the Massorah was left, unheeded, in the Manuscripts from which the Text was taken. When translators came to the printed Hebrew Text, they were necessarily destitute of the information contained in the Massorah; so that the Revisers as well as the Translators of the Authorised Version carried out their work without any idea of the treasures contained in the Massorah; and therefore, without giving a hint of it to their readers This is the first time an edition of the Authorised Version has been given containing any of these treasures of the Massorah, that affect so seriously the understanding of the Text. A vast number of the Massoretic notes concern only the orthography, and matters that pertain to the Concordance. Some of the important lists of words which are contained in the Massorah are also given, videlicet, those that have the "extraordinary points" ; the "eighteen emendations" of the Sopherim ; the 134 passages where they substituted Adonai for Jehovah ; and the Various Readings called Severin . For futher information on the Massorah see Dr. Ginsburg’s Introduction to the Hebrew Bible, of which only a limited edition was printed; also a small pamphlet on The Massorah published by King’s Printers. NOTE 1 The Talmud explains that "the book" meant the original text; "distinctly" means explaining it by giving the Chaldee paraphrase; "gave the sense" means the division of words, etc. according to the sense; and "caused them to understand the reading" means to give the traditional pronuciation of the words (which were then without vowel points).

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Dt:4:2: Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Question … Why does this not mean all books of the Old Testament written after Deuteronomy are invalid ??? 2. The first Christians did not even have a Bible. They didn’t? Acts:28:23: And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. (KJV)

Obviously, Acts was not part of this … If you accept this statement then you must accept only the Old Testament … Act must have been added much later to "the Bible" … Violating Deuteronomy you quoted earlier … The Bible is Word of God inspired … Those putting the word together must also have been inspired … Those who knew Jesus and taught others His truths must also have been inspired … It is hard to accept Sola Scripture when the prescriptions against additions were made much earlier than all of the New Testament and most of the Old Testament … It is good to accept the Bible as inspired as well it is …but to deny inspiration outside it unfortunately rejects a lot more teaching that brings men to God …Including even what is to be included in the Bible … If today you hear His voice harden nor your heart … His voice is everywhere … In the Village …. I am not a number … I am a free man !!!!

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Those who condemn the Catholic Church should consider the following facts to reject the concept of sola scripura: 1. Until Luther, the Christian church neve taught such a thing. Sola Scriptura is a johnny-come-lately man-mad doctrine.

Dt:4:2:  Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.  (KJV) Deuteronomy 28:58  If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD; Is:8:20:  To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.  (KJV) Mt:4:4:  But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (KJV) Jn:8:31-32  Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. Jn:10:35:  "the scripture cannot be broken" (KJV) Acts 24:14  But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: (KJV) 2Thes:3:14:  And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. (KJV) Jn:17:17:  Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. (KJV) 2. The first Christians did not even have a Bible.

They didn’t? Acts:28:23:  And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. (KJV) 2Tm:3:15:  And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. (KJV) Jn:5:39:  Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. (KJV) Jn:5:46:  For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. (KJV) Jn:5:47:  But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? (KJV) Acts:17:11: These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. (KJV) 3. Just look at how the Sola Scriptura has fragmented Christianity resulting in tens of thousands of protestant and non-denom religions. 4. 1 Tim 3:15 15.  if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth. The Scriptures themselves say that the CHURCH is the pillar of truth.

1Tm:4:1: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; (KJV) 1Jn:4:1:  Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (KJV) Mt:15:19:  For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: (KJV) 5. NOWHERE in Scripture does it claim to the the sole source of God’s truth. So anyone who tell you that you can only believe what is in the Bible, is asking you to believe something that is not in the Bible.

Is:8:20:  To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.  (KJV)

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Those who condemn the Catholic Church should consider the following facts to reject the concept of sola scripura: 1. Until Luther, the Christian church neve taught such a thing. Sola Scriptura is a johnny-come-lately man-mad doctrine. 2. The first Christians did not even have a Bible. 3. Just look at how the Sola Scriptura has fragmented Christianity resulting in tens of thousands of protestant and non-denom religions. 4. 1 Tim 3:15 15.  if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth. The Scriptures themselves say that the CHURCH is the pillar of truth. 5. NOWHERE in Scripture does it claim to the the sole source of God’s truth. So anyone who tell you that you can only believe what is in the Bible, is asking you to believe something that is not in the Bible.

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