Christianity QA

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: : : <snip : : We did not invent the status of enemy, the Xtians did. You’re just helping to maintain it. : We are aware of : the Eternally Creative Intelligence and dance with it. AShinto priest : once listened to a Catholic Bishop and AS Baptist Minister banter about : their Dogma and then spoke."That is a strange Dogma you have there. Man : Vs God, God vs Man, Woman vs Man, Man vs Nature, Nature vs Man" Ad what : is your dogma the priest asked the Shinto"Oh we have no Dogma, we just : dance". BTW, some of us don’t like Xtians, and that is part and parcel : of studying just what it means to be witch/pagan. We were getting : drowned and burned and crushed, with beautifulk young women raped : tortured and pierced in countless Xtian inquisitors dungeons. And BTW, : this sentiment is still alive amongast the Xtians who have mastered : their semantic circuit with their two lower left brain circuits. Any : questions? To say this is true for all Xtians is utter bs. It’s no better than the belief that all Pagan’s are satanist. I have had at least four Christians in the past two months come to me asking what Wicca is. They came away with a better understanding of the religion and an acceptance of it as a religous path. Generalizations do not work. We want to go around shouting about the burning times, but if you really look into what happened the majority of people to die in it were Protestant Christians who were trying to seperate themselves from the Papacy. To blame all Christians for what happened is just outright bigotry. Not all Christians are Pat Robertsons. I’ve gone a couple rounds with Fundemantilists too, but I haven’t let it make me hate all Xtians.     If every group on this planet started apologizing for what they have done to other groups in the history of mankind we all be spending from now until the end of mankind licking each others boots. Yes, we would should remember the past, but we shouldn’t dwell on it. : Won’t get burned again The Burning Times and holy wars will keep happening as long as those of other religions are the "enemy". You only increase the chance of a reaccurance with you’re hatred. : -Randy Lee Blain Brian "Three things without which there can be nothing good: Truth, Peace. and Generosity." Celtic Triad

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : : <snip : : We did not invent the status of enemy, the Xtians did. You’re just helping to maintain it. : We are aware of : the Eternally Creative Intelligence and dance with it. AShinto priest : once listened to a Catholic Bishop and AS Baptist Minister banter about : their Dogma and then spoke."That is a strange Dogma you have there. Man : Vs God, God vs Man, Woman vs Man, Man vs Nature, Nature vs Man" Ad what : is your dogma the priest asked the Shinto"Oh we have no Dogma, we just : dance". BTW, some of us don’t like Xtians, and that is part and parcel : of studying just what it means to be witch/pagan. We were getting : drowned and burned and crushed, with beautifulk young women raped : tortured and pierced in countless Xtian inquisitors dungeons. And BTW, : this sentiment is still alive amongast the Xtians who have mastered : their semantic circuit with their two lower left brain circuits. Any : questions? To say this is true for all Xtians is utter bs. It’s no better than the belief that all Pagan’s are satanist. I have had at least four Christians in the past two months come to me asking what Wicca is. They came away with a better understanding of the religion and an acceptance of it as a religous path. Generalizations do not work. We want to go around shouting about the burning times, but if you really look into what happened the majority of people to die in it were Protestant Christians who were trying to seperate themselves from the Papacy. To blame all Christians for what happened is just outright bigotry. Not all Christians are Pat Robertsons. I’ve gone a couple rounds with Fundemantilists too, but I haven’t let it make me hate all Xtians.     If every group on this planet started apologizing for what they have done to other groups in the history of mankind we all be spending from now until the end of mankind licking each others boots. Yes, we would should remember the past, but we shouldn’t dwell on it. : Won’t get burned again The Burning Times and holy wars will keep happening as long as those of other religions are the "enemy". You only increase the chance of a reaccurance with you’re hatred. : -Randy Lee Blain Brian "Three things without which there can be nothing good: Truth, Peace. and Generosity." Celtic Triad

Like I said before. These people are lurking around trying to burn somebody metaphorically. I don’t believe in organised religion of any form. Now disorganised religion is another story. I speak for myself and not for others. BTW, in their Holy Book in Revelations 11:2 we as Pagans are given authority through St. John from the Eternally Creative Intelligence to trample on the Holy City for forty two months. Ain’t Karma a bitch? Just fulfilling a little prophecy. Randy Lee Blain-A Locust – If you have God’s Seal in your forehead you do not have to worry as we are not attacking you. And remember that the symbol for peace is two crossed swords held by the GODDESS of JUSTICE. And that is not JUST US as the organised Xtains would have you believe. Don’t preach to me. My sword/word is sharp.

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  Before I tell all about my wee vist from the retard club I want to point this out … (snip)   O.K., you mindless twits, keep what’s on the net ON the net.  If your such a stupid point and click moron that is so frustrated about my posts don’t go crying to my provider or his and the cops.  You want to mess me up, do it HERE (oh hey forgot, your just point and click icon idiots). (snip) … Also, seems some folks went and called the FBI saying I blew something up (since when was forseeing the future illegal).  I never said I did it.  After w yap with the sysop they came to my house and I turned them into frogs and  watched them hop away into the dark night as they sucked on their sailem smokes.

snip   I plan on staying around here a LONG time posting on-topic-stuff (with no bad words).  If the FBI comes around again, Crap or get of the pot, …

snip You don’t have a lot of smarts, do you? Your alleged visit from the FBI was a result of your immaturity coupled with the responsibility taken by some conscientous people. No one said you blew anything up. They said, and the FBI was informed, that Tim E. Anderson had apparently posted prior knowledge of the event in question. Upon investigation, it was discovered you, timmy, posted after the fact. Incidentally, if you want to see the file the FBI has on you, you can request it and they will comply. Wonderful thing — freedom of information … It is one thing to be a seer and entirely another to pretend to be a seer. You, being in the latter category, are going to get your ass put in a sling every time you step over the line — and you’re doing it to yourself. No one is doing it to you. I think Wiccans call it the threefold law or something to that effect, and it seems to be working quite effectively. Unfortunately for you, it requires at least an inkling of wisdom for you to see it and to learn from it. At any rate, no one really cares about your pro or con views as they are not the issue nor have they been presented in any form of intelligent way to inspire debate or discussion. The issue is your immature, inappropriate, irrational, and disruptive behavior — or in short, your immature craving for any type of attention you can get and not being confident enough in yourself to realize you probably can contribute something useful if you but get off the proverbial pot of which you speak. Some are trying to engage you in a useful discussion. Why don’t you respond in kind and give us an example of what you are capable of. Everyone might learn something that way and, although you may not change your views on Wicca, at least if you listen you may learn that your preconceived stereotypifications don’t apply except in your own bias. If the FBI comes around again, it will be because you did something stupid again and if someone really wants to *mess* you up, they won’t be playing by your rules and do it "HERE," they’ll do it their own way. But personally, I can’t think of anyone dumb or petty enough to waste their time on such insignificance. Seawolf

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[snip] ? Hey, all I can say is that I can respect you, which I do, for having the guts to speak up if you disagree.

        Seems like somebody wants to be a Raven’s good graces. There is a BIG difference between speaking up and spouting the garbage that Raven has been doing. Seems like the only reason Raven is here is to spout anti-witchcraft garbage. While it is true that this news group is not moderated, net etiquette does dictate that this is wrong. Despite what ankle biters like Raven and Tim state.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip I’m sure you won’t.  I still won’t reveal myself though.  There are fundies about that I just don’t have the patience to deal with anymore. You know, I’ve been lurking in this newsgroup for about 3 weeks now, and have _never_ seen an attack by a fundamentalist Christian on anyone here. I HAVE seen plenty of references by you so-called ‘tolerant’ Wiccans to ‘fundies,’ ‘Xtians,’ ‘thumpers,’ and other deprecatory terms. I quote from the alt.religion.wicca FAQ: 2.1  What are some common, basic beliefs in Wicca?      In addition to its positive view of nature, many find Wicca more welcoming of women than other religions, with an emphasis on personal experience and a tolerance of other paths. That’s a really ‘tolerant’ attitude you exhibit there, Loki. Well, I suppose you have to justify your existence somehow, by inventing a common enemy. I would have guessed that you would have picked a more meaningful target, but I guess that requires more self-belief and confidence than you possess. I’m sorry about that. TRUTH

<amusing but off-topic story snipped BTW, some of us don’t like Xtians, and that is part and parcel of studying just what it means to be witch/pagan.

Then Wicca is a false way? Since Wicca stresses tolerance for all viewpoints, then pagans/witches who ‘don’t like’ Christians must also hate Wiccans. We were getting drowned and burned and crushed, with beautifulk young women raped tortured and pierced in countless Xtian inquisitors dungeons.

Were any of _your_ ancestors specifically subjected to these abuses? Names and history please – what is your source for your assertion? My father was wounded by a bullet fired by a Japanese sniper during WW II. Does it then logically follow that I should hate all Japanese? Your logic is highly suspect, and your hate for The Other (different ideologies) is readily apparent. And BTW, this sentiment is still alive amongast the Xtians who have mastered their semantic circuit with their two lower left brain circuits. Any questions?

Just a few: 1. Do you always resort to personal insults when confronted with the truth? To paraphrase an old saying, ‘The curse is the last refuge of a man who’s run out of ideas.’ 2. When was the last time that a ‘witch’ (suspected or otherwise) was burned by an angry mob? It doesn’t happen much these days, does it? Living in the past is OK if you never want to grow and learn. Let your hatred and your unreasoning attitudes keep you warm. TRUTH

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: : You know, I’ve been lurking in this newsgroup for about 3 weeks now, : and have _never_ seen an attack by a fundamentalist Christian on : anyone here. I HAVE seen plenty of references by you so-called : ‘tolerant’ Wiccans to ‘fundies,’ ‘Xtians,’ ‘thumpers,’ and other : deprecatory terms. : You consider three weeks to be a "reasonable" time to lurk and expect to see what you want? My, my, need some patience don’t you? Just as there are still Christians who hate blacks or gays or uppity women or Jews or Japanese or anyone who espouses a different mind set from them, there are Wiccans who hold real animus against Christianity. This often comes from the reaction of many Christians toward these individuals. We have lost our children, jobs, houses, loved ones, cars, security, and control over our own lives due to this intolerance. If I recall correctly, the last witch burning in North America was in Mexico in 1964. Witches (and suspected witches) are still being burned in Africa. I’m lucky I can be a fairly public Witch. I am a partner in a Pagan owned company, so I can’t lose my job. If someone comes to my door to preach, I decline politely and shut the door. I had my house filled with seekers every Saturday for over two years with no problems. I even put up with the amusing dreck of our latest Christian, Raven BlackBane, who claims we have sex rituals with 14 year olds! But I have had years to heal the wounds of Christianity. Many others haven’t. Lurk a while longer. Ask a few questions. Read a few books. (I’ll give you a list if you want.) Maybe meet a few Wiccans in your own community. (We’re everywhere, everywhere! <g) We’re not going to try and convert you, just maybe educate you a little bit. BB Marjorie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip I’m sure you won’t.  I still won’t reveal myself though.  There are fundies about that I just don’t have the patience to deal with anymore. You know, I’ve been lurking in this newsgroup for about 3 weeks now, and have _never_ seen an attack by a fundamentalist Christian on anyone here. I HAVE seen plenty of references by you so-called ‘tolerant’ Wiccans to ‘fundies,’ ‘Xtians,’ ‘thumpers,’ and other deprecatory terms. I quote from the alt.religion.wicca FAQ: 2.1  What are some common, basic beliefs in Wicca?      In addition to its positive view of nature, many find Wicca more welcoming of women than other religions, with an emphasis on personal experience and a tolerance of other paths. That’s a really ‘tolerant’ attitude you exhibit there, Loki. Well, I suppose you have to justify your existence somehow, by inventing a common enemy. I would have guessed that you would have picked a more meaningful target, but I guess that requires more self-belief and confidence than you possess. I’m sorry about that. TRUTH <amusing but off-topic story snipped BTW, some of us don’t like Xtians, and that is part and parcel of studying just what it means to be witch/pagan. Then Wicca is a false way? Since Wicca stresses tolerance for all viewpoints, then pagans/witches who ‘don’t like’ Christians must also hate Wiccans.

Ther is a big difference between not like and hate. I do not hate anyone, however I do not like Xtians. However if I was to see one or several persecuted in public I would risk life and limb to save my fellow man/woman from the fist of oppression. Btw, your logic is faulty in your above statement. Your methods of extrapolation leave much to be desired in the techniques of logic. We were getting drowned and burned and crushed, with beautifulk young women raped tortured and pierced in countless Xtian inquisitors dungeons. Were any of _your_ ancestors specifically subjected to these abuses? Names and history please – what is your source for your assertion?

My family is The Somerset family, the Ducal title holders to the Plains of Somerset, and owners of a library that holds works written in the apostles hands. They also gave the first twelve hides of land to establish the first christian church, St Mary’s Chapel. As for burning, crushing, torturing etc. Check out The Papal Bull and Malleus Maleficarum for a really twisted look at the methods prescribed to the Holy Inquisitors. Then understand that Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake on February 18, 1600 for simply stating that the earth moved. The church has always been afraid of natural scientists, who are called witches as they understand the weave of nature, who understand the manipulation of energetics. We are a dangerous lot to any ‘current paradigm’. My father was wounded by a bullet fired by a Japanese sniper during WW II. Does it then logically follow that I should hate all Japanese? Your logic is highly suspect, and your hate for The Other (different ideologies) is readily apparent.

No. But then we don’t hate Xtians we just dislike them getting in our face. You are fine example of one who uses twisted arguments to reinforce something that you said I said. I said what i did say and I did not say what I did not say. Perhaps they have an upper echelon propaganda job for you if you contact them. And I might point out that there are many of you quasi-inquisitorial types waiting in the wings to do your god given duty of spewing your semantic circuits rendition of lower left brain survival techniques. Question, if your father had been crushed beneath a suffocating pile of rocks after having been pierced all over his body with a sharp instrument to prove that when they found and acupuincture point which would be felt as numb, and therefore proof of his guilt in their eyes and his companions could have stopped it but feared they too would undergo the same persecution, would you have a different feeling? And the burnings were not a war but a time of severe religious persecution. For a real good series of essays on the perversions unlaeshed in the inquisitors dungeon see a book called ‘The History of Torture’. My high school library had a copy, but that was in Canada, and we have an overwhelming influence of the British countrycraft up there, and are not wimps about letting youths study pertinent documents even if they are antiXtian in bent. Hence they also had copies of Malleus Maleficarum and many encyclopedias of witchcraft etc. Something that your standard american libraries are sorely lacking in. And BTW, this sentiment is still alive amongast the Xtians who have mastered their semantic circuit with their two lower left brain circuits. Any questions? Just a few: 1. Do you always resort to personal insults when confronted with the truth? To paraphrase an old saying, ‘The curse is the last refuge of a man who’s run out of ideas.’

I called no one by name, hence did not insult anybody personally, you took it personally as a left brain lower circuit semantic ontologist and I will never run out of ideas. Observation. You sure are smarmy aren’t you? Sounds to me like your passive aggressive stance in your earlier writing puts you in that category of cursers. And bTW no one has confronted me with any truth in the past week on any of the NGs that I post to. If you have a truth you would like to present the group then make sure that all of the sums are double checked, and all of the theories backing it up can be proved through self embedment and experience and not some subjective Pi in the Eye. 2. When was the last time that a ‘witch’ (suspected or otherwise) was burned by an angry mob? It doesn’t happen much these days, does it?

Not physically but you my little friend have come around here and looked around for someone to burn metaphorically(Loki to start and then me but my sword is sharp as my wit) and hoped to crush them with the massive intellectual infarct of your scheming diatribe. I suspect you are an Xtian and not a true Christian. If you were you would not judge. If you are Xtian, take down that bloody statue and stop worshipping an implement of capital punishment. The Word is what is alive and I oppose anybody who tries to put it back to sleep. Living in the past is OK if you never want to grow and learn. Let your hatred and your unreasoning attitudes keep you warm. TRUTH

Oh, I get it. Call yourself the TRUTH at Beauty.com and you can spew mondo propagando and it is to be taken as truth. There is truth and beauty in Pi. In your face. -Randy Lee Blain -A Locust and Naturally Endowed Witch, AntiXtian/ProChrist(Eternally Creative Intelligence), Blessed by the Holy Spirit and given authority from St.John to trample on the Holy City for 42 months with all of the other Pagans/Witches/AntiX’s. Only Weapons, musical instuments, paintbrushes, sculptor tools and words/swords sharpened for WWW III, the World Web War for the 3rd Millenium, or the Web Word War to rid the world of the third reichs remnants.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Before I tell all about my wee vist from the retard club I want to point this out as explained by tim.  This group is *UNMODERATED* meaning I have as much right to post anti-witchcraft stuff as you do.  As long as the subject matter is on topic (pro or con), all is fine.  I have the right to speek my bit and you have the right to put your hands over your eyes and not read.  Like the example presented by tim, if this was alt.politics.tax no one could say "Hey you cann’t post TAX sucks".  Now that’s over.  O.K., you mindless twits, keep what’s on the net ON the net.  If your such a stupid point and click moron that is so frustrated about my posts don’t go crying to my provider or his and the cops.  You want to mess me up, do it HERE (oh hey forgot, your just point and click icon idiots).  Well hope this frustrates you, I’m still here.  Seems some one contacted my sysops provider (and maybe their provider too).  From my understanding the complaint e-mail was just forwarded to the sysop who, being pissed off, reopen this account to show that crying get you know where.  My understanding is folks like that $125/mo.  Also, seems some folks went and called the FBI saying I blew something up (since when was forseeing the future illegal).  I never said I did it.  After w yap with the sysop they came to my house and I turned them into frogs and  watched them hop away into the dark night as they sucked on their sailem smokes.                       As you can see I still here.  You know one thing, you claim to be witches that do all these supernatural things.  But when one comes on board and says, me too I can do it too; you all say "Your full of it".  Man does this sound like hypocrit or what?  I plan on staying around here a LONG time posting on-topic-stuff (with no bad words).  If the FBI comes around again, Crap or get of the pot, and I am sure if my sysop provider cuts the link the sysop will sue; he’s sued befor he will again.  Got to admit, no court in the land will say to the provider "yes you had the right to drop the link" for stuff like this.  Hacking, well that’s antoher matter.  So cry to mommy.  By the way, that thing there is a CD ROM tray to place CD in not to hold your coffee cup, at least that’s what tim says you do with it.  Oh yea, and as for an added mesure of fun I am TIM, I am Harrell, I am them all, I have a wife and two screaming brats.  I am male that is just sick and tired of idiots you sending me witchcraft junk mail.  But then I could be lieing again.

Yeah,yeah.Do what you will,just do not e-mail me anymore like you did this past weekend.If you do i will change you into a foul mouthed idiot…..whoops,someone beat me to it.Sorry to see you’ve spawned,poor kids.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Before I tell all about my wee vist from the retard club I want to point this out as explained by tim.  This group is *UNMODERATED* meaning I have as much right to post anti-witchcraft stuff as you do.  As long as the subject matter is on topic (pro or con), all is fine.  I have the right to speek my bit and you have the right to put your hands over your eyes and not read.  Like the example presented by tim, if this was alt.politics.tax no one could say "Hey you cann’t post TAX sucks".   Now that’s over.   O.K., you mindless twits, keep what’s on the net ON the net.  If your such a stupid point and click moron that is so frustrated about my posts don’t go crying to my provider or his and the cops.  You want to mess me up, do it HERE (oh hey forgot, your just point and click icon idiots).   Well hope this frustrates you, I’m still here.  Seems some one contacted my sysops provider (and maybe their provider too).  From my understanding the complaint e-mail was just forwarded to the sysop who, being pissed off, reopen this account to show that crying get you know where.  My understanding is folks like that $125/mo.  Also, seems some folks went and called the FBI saying I blew something up (since when was forseeing the future illegal).  I never said I did it.  After w yap with the sysop they came to my house and I turned them into frogs and  watched them hop away into the dark night as they sucked on their sailem smokes.                        As you can see I still here.   You know one thing, you claim to be witches that do all these supernatural things.  But when one comes on board and says, me too I can do it too; you all say "Your full of it".  Man does this sound like hypocrit or what?   I plan on staying around here a LONG time posting on-topic-stuff (with no bad words).  If the FBI comes around again, Crap or get of the pot, and I am sure if my sysop provider cuts the link the sysop will sue; he’s sued befor he will again.  Got to admit, no court in the land will say to the provider "yes you had the right to drop the link" for stuff like this.  Hacking, well that’s antoher matter.  So cry to mommy.   By the way, that thing there is a CD ROM tray to place CD in not to hold your coffee cup, at least that’s what tim says you do with it.   Oh yea, and as for an added mesure of fun I am TIM, I am Harrell, I am them all, I have a wife and two screaming brats.  I am male that is just sick and tired of idiots you sending me witchcraft junk mail.  But then I could be lieing again.

Yo Blackbane!   And some of you others, I think you are missing the point about Wicca.  It is not just about witchcraft, nor is it just about dancing around naked, under the full moon (but with the right weather conditions and people, this could be a lot of fun ). It is about respect/reverence/love and even worship (for some) of the Lady/Lord or Goddess/God (whatever you wish to call them).  It’s about communion with the Mother in all her many facets.  It’s about taking responsibility for your life (Magick & The Reed).  If my magick is more subtler than those who use bats blood and lizard guts, oh well!  My observation says that it works.  BTW if you are going to zap govment folk, how about taking care of the DEA.  For my book they serve no function, other than to tell us what we can and cannot ingest, which might someday include lizard guts.  After all, is this not one of your primary ingredients for flying high.   Personally, I do not believe in your instant magick, but I would like to believe that it is possible.  As for you foretelling the future, why not!  I believe there are many gifts such as this, but it would help if you would change your dates to 97.  Otherwise you are passtelling, something we are all good at.   I walk a Shamanic path and my magick is through this path.  I have never called myself Witch, but I know others who do call themselves this. If I where to call myself anything, it would be Vision Singer.  It is not the name I use nor is it the stile of my magic, but my reverence for the Lady and Lord that make me Wicca. Walk in Harmony, with Wisdom and Love.                 JD

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip I’m sure you won’t.  I still won’t reveal myself though.  There are fundies about that I just don’t have the patience to deal with anymore. You know, I’ve been lurking in this newsgroup for about 3 weeks now, and have _never_ seen an attack by a fundamentalist Christian on anyone here. I HAVE seen plenty of references by you so-called ‘tolerant’ Wiccans to ‘fundies,’ ‘Xtians,’ ‘thumpers,’ and other deprecatory terms. I quote from the alt.religion.wicca FAQ: 2.1  What are some common, basic beliefs in Wicca?      In addition to its positive view of nature, many find Wicca more welcoming of women than other religions, with an emphasis on personal experience and a tolerance of other paths. That’s a really ‘tolerant’ attitude you exhibit there, Loki. Well, I suppose you have to justify your existence somehow, by inventing a common enemy. I would have guessed that you would have picked a more meaningful target, but I guess that requires more self-belief and confidence than you possess. I’m sorry about that. TRUTH

We did not invent the status of enemy, the Xtians did. We are aware of the Eternally Creative Intelligence and dance with it. AShinto priest once listened to a Catholic Bishop and AS Baptist Minister banter about their Dogma and then spoke."That is a strange Dogma you have there. Man Vs God, God vs Man, Woman vs Man, Man vs Nature, Nature vs Man" Ad what is your dogma the priest asked the Shinto"Oh we have no Dogma, we just dance". BTW, some of us don’t like Xtians, and that is part and parcel of studying just what it means to be witch/pagan. We were getting drowned and burned and crushed, with beautifulk young women raped tortured and pierced in countless Xtian inquisitors dungeons. And BTW, this sentiment is still alive amongast the Xtians who have mastered their semantic circuit with their two lower left brain circuits. Any questions? Won’t get burned again -Randy Lee Blain

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 Not sure how to react to the prior posts. I will say this, this site has gone through hell with the sysop being reported to his provider (who would rather go to the bank with cash rather than no cash) to the "goonsquade" rapping on my door. I can say, each time a rock is tossed my way and I still stand makes me think you cann’t toss a rock short of a pea.  On the funnyer side, I guess I know what turns folks on:                       anti-grovernment stuff

One of the problems you get into in this ng is that the Christian fundies read us a lot and frequently interfere.  I have no idea who sent in the gummint, but it could have been them.  They’ve done worse… Loki – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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[snip] ?

Hey, all I can say is that I can respect you, which I do, for having the guts to speak up if you disagree.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have no idea what you are talking about.  Could you clarify please? What I mean is that the categorization of the Gods and Goddesses names and their archetypes does not make one a witch. This makes one akin to an anthropology student. As for chasing tails/tales in a circle, I mean that there is more to this system than the rote and verse of ritual and the drawing of circles. How many are real natural scientists, the kind that the Inquisition was afraid of. Do you know your table of chemical elememts. Are you familiar with various modes of capacitance and ionization so that you can codify the nature of energetics that you say you are manipulating? Do you know about biocondensation, the base principle behind the building of the scalar wave that is unleashed at the closing of the rite by the collapse of this field and the resonant harmonic structure of matrix unleashed? And I am also referring to the way that the relationship of the dragon with man/woman is referred to. The Dragon is a Yang beast and if one of the Yin persuasion attempts to be as a Dragon then as Confucius and the Duke of Chou(the Codifier of the Yi King) say When Yin tries to become as Yang, as Yang will never be supplanted there is bound to be a fight. Dragons are Rain and Ion Gods and not front porch pets or secretaries. This belies the cackle-cackle-warty-nose sentiments of alot of so-called witches around here.

That all makes perfect sense.  Thank you. I’ll leave it to others to respond to this part though as I don’t use ritual at all.  I also don’t have any opinions on the subject of dragons.   I have used this alias for a long time.  It is not a "witch name".  It is one I use to protect my privacy.  It has nothing to do with power nor with hiding. It has to do with mass marketers more than anything.  I just don’t wish to be bothered. Well. I won’t bother you Loki. Tell me who you are and I promise I won’t try to sell you anything.

I’m sure you won’t.  I still won’t reveal myself though.  There are fundies about that I just don’t have the patience to deal with anymore.  Frankly, my patience (which I’m not known for btw) is at an all time low at the moment (this has nothing to do with you or the ng).  I just have this thing about privacy… You are funny, do you know that? A good wit is sharper and more dangerous than a Dagger and more akin to a Dragon. And thanks for encouraging me. -Randy Lee Blain John Lennon is The English Pan Christ (it is the Pagans dispensation this time, let us not fuck it up or get fundie like the damned Xtians) Loki

I gotta agree with your statement about a good wit!  :) Loki

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<snip I’m sure you won’t.  I still won’t reveal myself though.  There are fundies about that I just don’t have the patience to deal with anymore.

You know, I’ve been lurking in this newsgroup for about 3 weeks now, and have _never_ seen an attack by a fundamentalist Christian on anyone here. I HAVE seen plenty of references by you so-called ‘tolerant’ Wiccans to ‘fundies,’ ‘Xtians,’ ‘thumpers,’ and other deprecatory terms. I quote from the alt.religion.wicca FAQ: 2.1  What are some common, basic beliefs in Wicca?      In addition to its positive view of nature, many find Wicca more welcoming of women than other religions, with an emphasis on personal experience and a tolerance of other paths. That’s a really ‘tolerant’ attitude you exhibit there, Loki. Well, I suppose you have to justify your existence somehow, by inventing a common enemy. I would have guessed that you would have picked a more meaningful target, but I guess that requires more self-belief and confidence than you possess. I’m sorry about that. TRUTH

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Raven Blackbane reminds me of a Calabrean stregga that I used to know, right down to the way she deals with the english tongue. I have been coming around here for a couple of months and have wanted to see a chastisement of  the little NET coven here as alot seem to do nothing more than chase their tails/tales in a circle. Knowing some names and bandying about dragon language does not mean that one runs with dragons.

I have no idea what you are talking about.  Could you clarify please? Taking a name different than that you were born with would imply to me that your natural resonance was not powerful enough to aggrandise your witch ego with. Or does this make you have a better cackle or make the wart on your nose more pronounced. Why don’t all of you come out from behind your monikers and give your real names. We are not in 17th century Salem anymore, you know. BTW, Raven (come out from behind your moniker as well) does that FBI to frog spell work on just Federal Law Enforcement or can I have the local minions of the law hopping away puffing on their Salems with the same hex. Can you post that hex?

I have used this alias for a long time.  It is not a "witch name".  It is one I use to protect my privacy.  It has nothing to do with power nor with hiding.  It has to do with mass marketers more than anything.  I just don’t wish to be bothered. As well, the little JERK that sicked the goonsquad on this stirrer of cauldrons should have a wierd holy man crawl up his/her rectum and expire. Now that is a real brat. Raven is actually a dynamic little chuckle compared to some of the drivel that passes for discussion in this NG. Or do I have to download another 400 posts on "Why we need a sense of humor", which after reading your blackballing responses to Blackbane makes me believe that alot of you who posted to that thread are play witches and not true warriors of the realm. Get a sense of humor. Sometimes the best laugh comes from a scathing commentary sharpened with insightful wit. Raven may not be the greatest linguist around but she can stir up some dust , can’t he? -Randy Lee Blain (my real resonantly powerful given name) For the old Yangster

You are funny, do you know that?   Loki

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reopen this account to show that crying get you know where.  My understanding is folks like that $125/mo.  Also, seems some folks went and called the FBI saying I blew something up (since when was forseeing the future illegal).  I never said I did it.  After w yap with the sysop they came to my house and I turned them into frogs and  watched them hop away into the dark night as they sucked on their sailem smokes.

Are you seriously paying $125 A MONTH for internet service?

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: reopen this account to show that crying get you know where.  My : understanding is folks like that $125/mo.  Also, seems some folks went and : called the FBI saying I blew something up (since when was forseeing the : future illegal).  I never said I did it.  After w yap with the sysop they : came to my house and I turned them into frogs and  watched them hop away : into the dark night as they sucked on their sailem smokes. : Are you seriously paying $125 A MONTH for internet service?   That’s what the sysop on anneli.com pays for 24hr/day 7 days a week full PPP connect.  It’s not your basic shell/user account.  The machine has its own domain, just like your site.  The sysop is real kool to, he doesn’t charge a dime for full internet access to his users.  Now that sort of makes you just think about how many people use this BBS.  What do you think indiana.edu pays for the same connection?   This is the whole point I’m trying to drive home, I don’t think the sysop’s provider gives a toot what people here think of my postings as long as the sysop pays that fee.  In the area anneli.com is located there are several Internet providers that want the loot, and a dedicated PPP link is a hard sell and one to keep.   Full PPP connect is simply this, the machine is connected to the Internet 24hr/day.  Unlike most point and clik drons who walk to the campus computer or dial their local provider, this site has a dedicated link to the Net. You can ftp (ftp://anneli.com), or you can telnet (if you got an account, several Sweedes telnet there).  Simply put, anneli.com is a BBS/Internet provider.  Tim and I have been pushing about the site archiving WitchCraft stuff, but the way these WinNV dickheads are going about it, I don’t think that will come to be.  Such a shame.   I guess you run WinSox through a dynamic IP ppp link with mindspring.  See that link goes up and down as you call.  Nope this link is up all the time, and like I said, free Internet Access bring flys to honey.   Go on type …….    ftp://anneli.com

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Raven Blackbane reminds me of a Calabrean stregga that I used to know, right down to the way she deals with the english tongue. I have been coming around here for a couple of months and have wanted to see a chastisement of  the little NET coven here as alot seem to do nothing more than chase their tails/tales in a circle. Knowing some names and bandying about dragon language does not mean that one runs with dragons. I have no idea what you are talking about.  Could you clarify please?

What I mean is that the categorization of the Gods and Goddesses names and their archetypes does not make one a witch. This makes one akin to an anthropology student. As for chasing tails/tales in a circle, I mean that there is more to this system than the rote and verse of ritual and the drawing of circles. How many are real natural scientists, the kind that the Inquisition was afraid of. Do you know your table of chemical elememts. Are you familiar with various modes of capacitance and ionization so that you can codify the nature of energetics that you say you are manipulating? Do you know about biocondensation, the base principle behind the building of the scalar wave that is unleashed at the closing of the rite by the collapse of this field and the resonant harmonic structure of matrix unleashed? And I am also referring to the way that the relationship of the dragon with man/woman is referred to. The Dragon is a Yang beast and if one of the Yin persuasion attempts to be as a Dragon then as Confucius and the Duke of Chou(the Codifier of the Yi King) say When Yin tries to become as Yang, as Yang will never be supplanted there is bound to be a fight. Dragons are Rain and Ion Gods and not front porch pets or secretaries. This belies the cackle-cackle-warty-nose sentiments of alot of so-called witches around here. Taking a name different than that you were born with would imply to me that your natural resonance was not powerful enough to aggrandise your witch ego with. Or does this make you have a better cackle or make the wart on your nose more pronounced. Why don’t all of you come out from behind your monikers and give your real names. We are not in 17th century Salem anymore, you know. BTW, Raven (come out from behind your moniker as well) does that FBI to frog spell work on just Federal Law Enforcement or can I have the local minions of the law hopping away puffing on their Salems with the same hex. Can you post that hex? I have used this alias for a long time.  It is not a "witch name".  It is one I use to protect my privacy.  It has nothing to do with power nor with hiding.  It has to do with mass marketers more than anything.  I just don’t wish to be bothered.

Well. I won’t bother you Loki. Tell me who you are and I promise I won’t try to sell you anything. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As well, the little JERK that sicked the goonsquad on this stirrer of cauldrons should have a wierd holy man crawl up his/her rectum and expire. Now that is a real brat. Raven is actually a dynamic little chuckle compared to some of the drivel that passes for discussion in this NG. Or do I have to download another 400 posts on "Why we need a sense of humor", which after reading your blackballing responses to Blackbane makes me believe that alot of you who posted to that thread are play witches and not true warriors of the realm. Get a sense of humor. Sometimes the best laugh comes from a scathing commentary sharpened with insightful wit. Raven may not be the greatest linguist around but she can stir up some dust , can’t he? -Randy Lee Blain (my real resonantly powerful given name) For the old Yangster You are funny, do you know that?

A good wit is sharper and more dangerous than a Dagger and more akin to a Dragon. And thanks for encouraging me. -Randy Lee Blain John Lennon is The English Pan Christ (it is the Pagans dispensation this time, let us not fuck it up or get fundie like the damned Xtians) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Loki

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  Not sure how to react to the prior posts. I will say this, this site has gone through hell with the sysop being reported to his provider (who would rather go to the bank with cash rather than no cash) to the "goonsquade" rapping on my door. I can say, each time a rock is tossed my way and I still stand makes me think you cann’t toss a rock short of a pea.   On the funnyer side, I guess I know what turns folks on:                        anti-grovernment stuff

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Before I tell all about my wee vist from the retard club I want to point this out as explained by tim.  This group is *UNMODERATED* meaning I have as much right to post anti-witchcraft stuff as you do.  As long as the subject matter is on topic (pro or con), all is fine.  I have the right to speek my bit and you have the right to put your hands over your eyes and not read.  Like the example presented by tim, if this was alt.politics.tax no one could say "Hey you cann’t post TAX sucks".   Now that’s over.   O.K., you mindless twits, keep what’s on the net ON the net.  If your such a stupid point and click moron that is so frustrated about my posts don’t go crying to my provider or his and the cops.  You want to mess me up, do it HERE (oh hey forgot, your just point and click icon idiots).   Well hope this frustrates you, I’m still here.  Seems some one contacted my sysops provider (and maybe their provider too).  From my understanding the complaint e-mail was just forwarded to the sysop who, being pissed off, reopen this account to show that crying get you know where.  My understanding is folks like that $125/mo.  Also, seems some folks went and called the FBI saying I blew something up (since when was forseeing the future illegal).  I never said I did it.  After w yap with the sysop they came to my house and I turned them into frogs and  watched them hop away into the dark night as they sucked on their sailem smokes.                        As you can see I still here.   You know one thing, you claim to be witches that do all these supernatural things.  But when one comes on board and says, me too I can do it too; you all say "Your full of it".  Man does this sound like hypocrit or what?   I plan on staying around here a LONG time posting on-topic-stuff (with no bad words).  If the FBI comes around again, Crap or get of the pot, and I am sure if my sysop provider cuts the link the sysop will sue; he’s sued befor he will again.  Got to admit, no court in the land will say to the provider "yes you had the right to drop the link" for stuff like this.  Hacking, well that’s antoher matter.  So cry to mommy.   By the way, that thing there is a CD ROM tray to place CD in not to hold your coffee cup, at least that’s what tim says you do with it.   Oh yea, and as for an added mesure of fun I am TIM, I am Harrell, I am them all, I have a wife and two screaming brats.  I am male that is just sick and tired of idiots you sending me witchcraft junk mail.  But then I could be lieing again.

Raven Blackbane reminds me of a Calabrean stregga that I used to know, right down to the way she deals with the english tongue. I have been coming around here for a couple of months and have wanted to see a chastisement of  the little NET coven here as alot seem to do nothing more than chase their tails/tales in a circle. Knowing some names and bandying about dragon language does not mean that one runs with dragons. Taking a name different than that you were born with would imply to me that your natural resonance was not powerful enough to aggrandise your witch ego with. Or does this make you have a better cackle or make the wart on your nose more pronounced. Why don’t all of you come out from behind your monikers and give your real names. We are not in 17th century Salem anymore, you know. BTW, Raven (come out from behind your moniker as well) does that FBI to frog spell work on just Federal Law Enforcement or can I have the local minions of the law hopping away puffing on their Salems with the same hex. Can you post that hex? As well, the little JERK that sicked the goonsquad on this stirrer of cauldrons should have a wierd holy man crawl up his/her rectum and expire. Now that is a real brat. Raven is actually a dynamic little chuckle compared to some of the drivel that passes for discussion in this NG. Or do I have to download another 400 posts on "Why we need a sense of humor", which after reading your blackballing responses to Blackbane makes me believe that alot of you who posted to that thread are play witches and not true warriors of the realm. Get a sense of humor. Sometimes the best laugh comes from a scathing commentary sharpened with insightful wit. Raven may not be the greatest linguist around but she can stir up some dust , can’t he? -Randy Lee Blain (my real resonantly powerful given name) For the old Yangster

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  Before I tell all about my wee vist from the retard club I want to point this out as explained by tim.  This group is *UNMODERATED* meaning I have as much right to post anti-witchcraft stuff as you do.  As long as the subject matter is on topic (pro or con), all is fine.  I have the right to speek my bit and you have the right to put your hands over your eyes and not read.  Like the example presented by tim, if this was alt.politics.tax no one could say "Hey you cann’t post TAX sucks".   Now that’s over.   O.K., you mindless twits, keep what’s on the net ON the net.  If your such a stupid point and click moron that is so frustrated about my posts don’t go crying to my provider or his and the cops.  You want to mess me up, do it HERE (oh hey forgot, your just point and click icon idiots).   Well hope this frustrates you, I’m still here.  Seems some one contacted my sysops provider (and maybe their provider too).  From my understanding the complaint e-mail was just forwarded to the sysop who, being pissed off, reopen this account to show that crying get you know where.  My understanding is folks like that $125/mo.  Also, seems some folks went and called the FBI saying I blew something up (since when was forseeing the future illegal).  I never said I did it.  After w yap with the sysop they came to my house and I turned them into frogs and  watched them hop away into the dark night as they sucked on their sailem smokes.                        As you can see I still here.   You know one thing, you claim to be witches that do all these supernatural things.  But when one comes on board and says, me too I can do it too; you all say "Your full of it".  Man does this sound like hypocrit or what?   I plan on staying around here a LONG time posting on-topic-stuff (with no bad words).  If the FBI comes around again, Crap or get of the pot, and I am sure if my sysop provider cuts the link the sysop will sue; he’s sued befor he will again.  Got to admit, no court in the land will say to the provider "yes you had the right to drop the link" for stuff like this.  Hacking, well that’s antoher matter.  So cry to mommy.   By the way, that thing there is a CD ROM tray to place CD in not to hold your coffee cup, at least that’s what tim says you do with it.   Oh yea, and as for an added mesure of fun I am TIM, I am Harrell, I am them all, I have a wife and two screaming brats.  I am male that is just sick and tired of idiots you sending me witchcraft junk mail.  But then I could be lieing again.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Before I tell all about my wee vist from the retard club I want to point this out as explained by tim.  This group is *UNMODERATED* meaning I have as much right to post anti-witchcraft stuff as you do.  As long as the subject matter is on topic (pro or con), all is fine.  I have the right to speek my bit and you have the right to put your hands over your eyes and not read.  Like the example presented by tim, if this was alt.politics.tax no one could say "Hey you cann’t post TAX sucks".   Now that’s over.   O.K., you mindless twits, keep what’s on the net ON the net.  If your such a stupid point and click moron that is so frustrated about my posts don’t go crying to my provider or his and the cops.  You want to mess me up, do it HERE (oh hey forgot, your just point and click icon idiots).   Well hope this frustrates you, I’m still here.  Seems some one contacted my sysops provider (and maybe their provider too).  From my understanding the complaint e-mail was just forwarded to the sysop who, being pissed off, reopen this account to show that crying get you know where.  My understanding is folks like that $125/mo.  Also, seems some folks went and called the FBI saying I blew something up (since when was forseeing the future illegal).  I never said I did it.  After w yap with the sysop they came to my house and I turned them into frogs and  watched them hop away into the dark night as they sucked on their sailem smokes.                        As you can see I still here.   You know one thing, you claim to be witches that do all these supernatural things.  But when one comes on board and says, me too I can do it too; you all say "Your full of it".  Man does this sound like hypocrit or what?   I plan on staying around here a LONG time posting on-topic-stuff (with no bad words).  If the FBI comes around again, Crap or get of the pot, and I am sure if my sysop provider cuts the link the sysop will sue; he’s sued befor he will again.  Got to admit, no court in the land will say to the provider "yes you had the right to drop the link" for stuff like this.  Hacking, well that’s antoher matter.  So cry to mommy.   By the way, that thing there is a CD ROM tray to place CD in not to hold your coffee cup, at least that’s what tim says you do with it.   Oh yea, and as for an added mesure of fun I am TIM, I am Harrell, I am them all, I have a wife and two screaming brats.  I am male that is just sick and tired of idiots you sending me witchcraft junk mail.  But then I could be lieing again.

<WILD APPLAUSE Thank you!  Thank you!  We have a free thinking individual among us who is not scared to say what he thinks!  Even though I do clump into this group of "full-of-themselves" people you call witches, I can so totally respect your honesty and your no-bull-allowed point of view.  Though this may not be popular opinion, please keep posting here.  I woud like to hear what you have to say.  Always keep questioning, keep examining, and keep wondering, for the path to enlightenment often appears with many wrong turns and dead-ends. -=Michele=-

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