Christianity QA

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Papa Jackass  <papaj…@express-news.net> wrote: >I have said before that I will treat others as they treat me.

And you’ve lied every time you made that claim.  You’ve been insulting and dishonest from day one.  Your very first articles posted here were insulting. — Ray Fischer         r…@netcom.com    

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In article <3403A489.1…@express-news.net>, papaj…@express-news.net says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Sunshine wrote: >> In article <chrislNO-2408971303370…@news.minn.net>, >> chris…@SPAMminn.net says… >>># Papa Jack <papaj…@express-news.net> wrote: >>># I have consistently stated I reluctantly support the availability >>># of abortion for women in cases involving rape, incest, and grave >>># threat to the life of the mother.  I would hope that women in such >>># situations would consider abortion a last resort. >>># I have not seen any other circumstance which justify the killing of >>># an innocent human being. >  =================================================================== >>> Chris wrote: >>> Why do rape, incest or grave threat to the mother justify the >>> killing of an innocent human being? >  =================================================================== >Papa Jack comments: >Chris, you know I have repeatedly explained my position on this >issue — but, you believe it is great sport to harass me.   >You are still just acting like one of MINXS’s lapdogs, yip, yip, >yip, yipping around.

You still don’t get the question, do you? If it’s murder, how can any exceptions be granted? Try this: which born people are you allowed to murder? Is it ok for a woman to kill a man who rapes her, or just the fertilized egg that results from his rape? Is it ok for a woman to kill a man who has an incestous relationship with her, or just the z/e/f that results from his actions? Seems as if the walking around adult men are the guilty parties that deserve to die if anyone does – unless fetal life is somehow of less value than already-been-born-people. By admitting that it is ok ot abort in cases of rape, incest, etc., you have implicitly acknowledged that only some z/e/f are to be protected because they implicitly have less value than already-been-born-people. Why the name-calling? Don’t have any persuasive arguments to use? Sunshine >{               Papa Jack >{ >{               http://www.express-news.net/papajack >        "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all >         men are created equal; that they are endowed by >         their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that >         among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of >         happiness."          –Thomas Jefferson

Still think women weren’t created equal and have no rights, eh?         "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all          men AND WOMEN are created equal; that they are endowed by          their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that          among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of          happiness."          – Elizabeth Cady Stanton 1848 Sunshine — Sunshine for Women (and Men Who Love Women) http://www.pinn.net/~sunshine/main.html

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In article <3403A840.4…@express-news.net>, papaj…@express-news.net says… >Sunshine wrote: >> In article <33FF9EE6.4…@express-news.net>,

papaj…@express-news.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> says… >>> Papa Jack replies: >>> I’ve posted 4,654 articles since Jun 96.  Most of those discussed >>> the various aspects of abortion. >  =================================================================== >> Sunshine wrote: >> And how many converts did you make – ZERO! >  =================================================================== >Papa Jack laughs: >And, how do you know how many converts I have made?  You don’t know >any more than I know how many converts you or I have made.   >That’s part of the fun.  How much did you influence the lurkers >today?  You’ll never know for sure. >I do know that in a typical week I get e-mail from those who support >me — and an occassional one from someone who hates my guts.  I have >a collection of nice messages which tell me they appreciate my efforts >and they agree with the positions I take on talk.abortion.   >  =================================================================== >> [big snip] >>> Papa Jack comments: >>> Well, guess what — I’m not the least bit ashamed.  I’m quite >>> proud to be called a Pro-Lifer.  Are you proud to be a Pro-Deather? >  =================================================================== >> Sunshine wrote: >> Maybe it’s because of stuff like that. >  =================================================================== >Papa Jack asks: >What?  You don’t like the Pro-Death label?  You do support the death >of 1,300,000 unborn children each year.  That’s what abortion is. >You like to talk about "choice" — but, the "choice" is whether or >not to kill your unborn child.  I favor allowing the unborn children >to live — thus, the Pro-Life lable.  You favor killing the unborn >children — ergo, you are Pro-Death.  Doesn’t that make sense to >you, Sunshine? >Have a nice day.

Tell you what, PJ (notice I didn’t call you Pajamas because you said you didn’t like it – and I thought we were friends) Why not take a count of your converts – why not ask anyone who you have converted to the anti-choice side to go on record by responding to this post? But we’ll have to check them out and make sure that they haven’t been anti-choice all along. Afraid to see what your 4,654 post have accomplished? Sunshine >– >{               Papa Jack >{ >{               http://www.express-news.net/papajack >        "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all >         men are created equal; that they are endowed by >         their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that >         among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of >         happiness."          –Thomas Jefferson

Still don’t think men and women are equal, eh? It’s only 2 little words. How come they are stuck in you craw?         "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all          men AND WOMEN are created equal; that they are endowed by          their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that          among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of          happiness."          – Elizabeth Cady Stanton, 1848 Sunshine — Sunshine for Women (and Men Who Love Women) http://www.pinn.net/~sunshine/main.html

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Papa Jack wrote: > Papa Jack smiles: > How can I go wrong when both Alan B. Mac Farlane AND Chris Lyman are > members of the Papa Jack Fan Club? > These wonderful words of encouragement will inspire me on those > lonely days when discouragement is hovering nearby. > Have a nice day.

<snip> Actually, I don’t think Alan knows what Alan thinks. Well, maybe on thing. He hates Pat Robertson. A lot. Tsk, tsk. You know, obsessive-compulsive behavior can be treatable with the proper medication and psychotherapy. Oze

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Sunshine wrote: > In article <340460BC.1…@express-news.net>, papaj…@express-news.net > says…

<snip> > > My three favorite people in the whole > >world are my wife of 41 years and my two little granddaughters.  I > >firmly believe in equal rights for women as well as the need to > >protect them from sexual harassment. > Equal rights for women as long as they agree with you, right?

No, equal rights for women, period. You’re trying to defend the extra, unnatural "right" for a woman to deliberately kill her offspring. BTW, if you’re for equal rights, what are your opinions on the current c4m threads going on here? If you feel a woman has a right to unlimited abortion, then what of a man who doesn’t want to be a father? <long snip> > Good idea. Why don’t you quit name-calling before I give up on you like > the rest? But then again, I did manage to make you change your tune > from "life begins at conception" to "life begins at implantation", > didn’t I? Too many obstacles in trying to outlaw contraception.

Point of order here. Papajack has been saying this consistently for some time now, long before you ever posted here. You never made him change a thing. Why is it that newbies think they are the first ones to have ever had the particular ideas they have? <snip> > Yes. I don’t believe in choice. I believe the government should neither > forbid nor compell abortion.

Oops, I think you meant to say you don’t believe in a "forced" choice. <another long snip> > I’ve only been posting for 2 weeks and already I have you on the ropes, > eh?

No, it’s just that people that have been around here for awhile see your type of confrontation, from BOTH sides, BTW, and soon tire of it. <snip> Oze

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Sunshine wrote: > In article <01bcb2d8$cc46bfc0$01020…@test.carleton.ca>, > acybu…@chat.carleton.ca says… > >Leo Mauler <gi…@tfs.net> wrote in article <3402F8EF.1…@tfs.net>… > [ I hope I got the snipping right - sorry if the attributions didn't > come out right but I'm quite confused about who said what]

Looks like you did… > >> What, threats to sanity count? Serious emotional difficulties > >> with a pregnancy are grounds for an abortion? Not the argument > >> you want to make if you actually knew anything about women who > >> are accidentally pregnant! > > If you want to claim that the mental stress of an accidental > > pregnancy is equal to the mental stress of a pregnancy due to > > a rape, go right ahead. > > Somehow, I don’t  think it will take. > You don’t think men will buy into it or you don’t think women will buy > into it? I think women will have no problem what-so-ever buying into > Leo’s argument.

Yes. Ever seen a woman undergoing a pregnancy? If a psychologist didn’t know she was pregnant (assume an incredibly naive male psychologist who was never taught where babies come from), I’m certain he’d have her assigned into a number of different mentall illnesses in a shot (such as bipolar depression and various eating disorders, as well as mild schizophrenia), and would be referring her to his equally naive neurologist friend who would have the naive male nurse do blood work and discover that she has a serious hormone imbalance in her body that should be corrected or else people will think that she’s mentally ill! Not to mention the physiological changes that occur, most painful, in her body. A terrorist torturer would want to compare notes and learn from the superior Nature, if he saw a pregnant woman and the pain and problems she undergoes. If a man could be injected with a drug that caused all the symptoms of pregnancy, we’d have the newest–and most cruel–truth serum ever created! And there is the fact that you never know you’ll die in childbirth until you do. Fear of death is a very valid reason to undergo excessive emotional stress. Finally, everyone talks about allowing an abortion from a rape because they feel that a woman "should not have to undergo a rape a second time". If a pregnancy is not akin to a rape in severe emotional and physical difficulties, then why the push to allow women to abort? If pregnancy isn’t a problem until you get raped into one, then it must not be a problem enough to warrant a law allowing raped women to get abortions! From the point of view of anyone who knows anything about the process of pregnancy, allowing an abortion for "threats to sanity" and "severe emotional difficulties with a pregnancy" is grounds for allowing any woman who wants one to get an abortion. The hormonal balances *alone* constitute "severe emotional difficulties". — Never do this at home.  Look how it killed this .sig _/  __/  __/  ______________________________________________    /    /    /     gi…@tfs.net.xx (remove xx to E-mail me) DISCLAIMER: Everything I say is false, including this sentence. [How Am I Posting?  If you think this post is spam, E-mail me.]

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Papa Jack <papaj…@express-news.net> wrote:

… PA>Papa Jack asks: PA>What?  You don’t like the Pro-Death label?  You do support the death PA>of 1,300,000 unborn children each year.  That’s what abortion is. PA>You like to talk about "choice" — but, the "choice" is whether or PA>not to kill your unborn child.  I favor allowing the unborn children PA>to live — thus, the Pro-Life lable.  You favor killing the unborn PA>children — ergo, you are Pro-Death.  Doesn’t that make sense to PA>you, Sunshine? It would make the pro-death label justified if it were true.  However, as usual, you lie about what others favor.  Pro-Choice does not favor killing the fetus.  Pro-Choice favors letting the fetus live, as proven by the many pro-choice people who have children. —  

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