Christianity QA

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TinyArm…@gmail.com wrote: > Sane people go insane after becoming involved in scientology so if you > have any type of instability or mental health issues you should stay > very far far far away because Scieno will only compound them a hundred > fold – just ask ARS’s busiest pro-scieno poster Barbara Schwartz.  Or > better yet read her posts about radio controlled bacteria to get a > clear picture of the combination of mental illness and scientology.

If you go insane – or screw up in any way – you can be placed on an amends project where you must "strike a blow against the enemy." Scientology won’t ever really take the insane person back, but they will use him/her as a tool for spamming etc. So, even if you do go insane, you can have a long association with the cult – if you just "cooperate" with it – and they can "use" you.

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Mxsmanic wrote: > Jim Winters writes: > > Anyone know any celebrities who are NOT scientologists who have spoken > > out against the very real danger of psychiatric abuse? > Psychiatric abuse is a non-problem.  Psychiatrists are simply medical > doctors who attempt to treat mental illnesses medically.  With many > mental illnesses (psychosis, OCD, depression, etc.) they achieve quite > a significant degree of success.

Psychiatrists have the power to commit people to hospitals against their will, to force them to take medication, or to testify as to their mental state in a court of law. Is it so hard to believe that some psychiatrists might try to use these powers in a corrupt way?

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Jim Winters writes: > Psychiatrists have the power to commit people to hospitals against > their will, to force them to take medication, or to testify as to their > mental state in a court of law. Is it so hard to believe that some > psychiatrists might try to use these powers in a corrupt way?

MDs in general have similar powers.  There is abuse among both groups. However, that doesn’t negate the utility of psychiatric medicine, which benefits a great many people. — Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

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William P (dot dot) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Lobsterboy" <lobsterboy_2…@yahoo.es> wrote in > news:1124377241.693962.208310@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > After reading dozens of self-help books and thousands of post at ASS > > and several other forums, and not having found almost anything that > > could help, I’m ready to give a shot to the Church of Scientology. > > So I’ve begun reading "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health". > > The book that started it all. > > Yeah, I know, it’s said to be a cult by numerous and reputable sources. > > I’m also well aware that it’s endorsed by John Travolta and Tom Cruise > > wich should turn anyone’s bullshit radar in a second but…so far I’ve > > read 13 pages and it’s interesting. > > I downloaded it with e-mule, along with some other of Hubbard’s > > (founder of the church) books. You could give it a try, too. It can’t > > be worst that the stuff some regulars usually post. > > *runs for cover before the flames begin* > I’m kind of hoping you’re serious here, although I doubt you are.  But > the older I get the more sympathetic I get to the idea that if a secular > version of reality isn’t doing it for you, you should try something else > if you’re able.

Contrariwise, as I get older, I become increasingly convinced that religion, and irrationality in general, are bad for humanity in the long run.  I used to think that religion was an acceptable last resort for people who can’t deal with the existential angst of a secular universe; but now I think religion doesn’t even generally offer that. Some people insist on exploring "spirituality", or our "mystical side," etc., and that’s fine.  I do think our consciousness is deeply mysterious and worth exploring.  But religion just leads us to bad choices, and ignorance, too often.

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you can read an article, and short thread about scientology here: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51756 They believe in Aliens and Reincarnation, and that you should pay them thousands of dollars to cleanse your soul.

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"Gray Loser" <gray_lo…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1124442348.281743.165030@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: >> I’m kind of hoping you’re serious here, although I doubt you are. >> But the older I get the more sympathetic I get to the idea that if a >> secular version of reality isn’t doing it for you, you should try >> something else if you’re able. > Contrariwise, as I get older, I become increasingly convinced that > religion, and irrationality in general, are bad for humanity in the > long run.  I used to think that religion was an acceptable last resort > for people who can’t deal with the existential angst of a secular > universe; but now I think religion doesn’t even generally offer that. > Some people insist on exploring "spirituality", or our "mystical > side," etc., and that’s fine.  I do think our consciousness is deeply > mysterious and worth exploring.  But religion just leads us to bad > choices, and ignorance, too often.

I don’t even know if secular people are capable of having enough children to support a population.  (I don’t know if it’s true, but if the increasing trend toward Creationsism is due to natural selection, that’s a pretty funny thought.) The Bible, of course, is filled with positively disgusting values.   Nobody really takes it at face value though, or else we couldn’t have a modern civilization.  However, I think many people really do act better because they believe some big dude will burn them or reward them accordingly.

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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia <n…@newb.com> wrote in news:Xns96B663891279Fnewbnewbcom@68.6.19.6: > "Lobsterboy" <lobsterboy_2…@yahoo.es> wrote in > news:1124377241.693962.208310@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >> So I’ve begun reading "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental >> Health". > Dude: ANYONE can write a book that has something in it that might be > true or at least sound likely. Self-help books can’t change > you–you’re theonly one who can do it, and that involves *suffering*.

Or at least, lots of effort.

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Mxsmanic <mxsma…@gmail.com> wrote in news:cgsag194jkffhvdtroh6vj3e6ljn1rd29e@4ax.com: > Jim Winters writes: >> Psychiatrists have the power to commit people to hospitals against >> their will, to force them to take medication, or to testify as to their >> mental state in a court of law. Is it so hard to believe that some >> psychiatrists might try to use these powers in a corrupt way? > MDs in general have similar powers.  There is abuse among both groups. > However, that doesn’t negate the utility of psychiatric medicine, > which benefits a great many people.

It’s actually pretty hard these days to commit someone, whether it might benefit them or not.  The advent of psychotropics which actually work, along with better public awareness of the horrors of the ’snake pit’, and the fact that psychosurgery has fallen into disrepute, has eliminated many of the problems of the past.  On the other hand…people who are dangerous sometimes can’t be committed, mentally ill people end up in prison instead of a mental ward, and community services which are supposed to support them in the community are generally poorly funded. —  "But," he added, "I think it’s also important for me to go on with my life, to keep a balanced life." George The-Buck-Stops-Elsewhere Bush.

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It could certianly help relieve some of the burden in your wallet.

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Well scientology’s mission is to brainwash you and make them give you all your money.  Being shy isn’t on their list of priorities, but I’m sure if you ask they will instantly tell you that they can "cure" you of it.  Of course, they say they can cure anything – cancer, AIDS, MS, head injuries, etc…. Scientology doesn’t mind preying on the mentally ill and taking their money – but once your out of money they will have nothing to do with you.  If you have money and exhibit signs of mental illness they will either lock you up in isolation until you’re dead (see Lisa McPherson) or broke. Sane people go insane after becoming involved in scientology so if you have any type of instability or mental health issues you should stay very far far far away because Scieno will only compound them a hundred fold – just ask ARS’s busiest pro-scieno poster Barbara Schwartz.  Or better yet read her posts about radio controlled bacteria to get a clear picture of the combination of mental illness and scientology. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -August Pamplona wrote: > Lobsterboy wrote: > > After reading dozens of self-help books and thousands of post at ASS > > and several other forums, and not having found almost anything that > > could help, I’m ready to give a shot to the Church of Scientology. > > So I’ve begun reading "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health". > > The book that started it all. > > Yeah, I know, it’s said to be a cult by numerous and reputable sources. > > I’m also well aware that it’s endorsed by John Travolta and Tom Cruise > > wich should turn anyone’s bullshit radar in a second but…so far I’ve > > read 13 pages and it’s interesting. > > I downloaded it with e-mule, along with some other of Hubbard’s > > (founder of the church) books. You could give it a try, too. It can’t > > be worst that the stuff some regulars usually post. > > *runs for cover before the flames begin* >          No comments. I just wanted to add a crosspost to > alt.religion.scientology. > August Pamplona > — > Women bring men they like tasks in much the same > way cats put dead mice on their owner’s pillows. > – Lola on a.s.s. > a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut > Proud member of the reality-based community. > The address in this message’s ‘From’ field, in accordance with > individual.net’s TOS, is real. However, almost all messages > reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. > In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. > To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, > make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.

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Lobsterboy wrote: > After reading dozens of self-help books and thousands of post at ASS > and several other forums, and not having found almost anything that > could help, I’m ready to give a shot to the Church of Scientology.

I knew a guy who was briefly into Scientology.  He was also "ready to give it a shot" at first, and attended a few sessions, before realizing the whole thing was a total fucking scam. Read a few of Hubbard’s more notorious quotes to get an idea of his motivations for starting up his wacko little "church." > So I’ve begun reading "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health". > The book that started it all. > Yeah, I know, it’s said to be a cult by numerous and reputable sources. > I’m also well aware that it’s endorsed by John Travolta and Tom Cruise

Roman Catholicism is endorsed by a billion people worldwide, yet it is still utter crap. > wich should turn anyone’s bullshit radar in a second but…so far I’ve > read 13 pages and it’s interesting.

Utter bullshit has to be mixed with some plausible-sounding bullshit in order to work. I wouldn’t object so much to Scientologists if they were *only* con artists, but they are also thugs.

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I’d love to know what caught your eye about Scientology of all things! – Michaela – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lobsterboy wrote: > After reading dozens of self-help books and thousands of post at ASS > and several other forums, and not having found almost anything that > could help, I’m ready to give a shot to the Church of Scientology. > So I’ve begun reading "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental > Health". The book that started it all. > Yeah, I know, it’s said to be a cult by numerous and reputable > sources. I’m also well aware that it’s endorsed by John Travolta and > Tom Cruise wich should turn anyone’s bullshit radar in a second > but…so far I’ve read 13 pages and it’s interesting. > I downloaded it with e-mule, along with some other of Hubbard’s > (founder of the church) books. You could give it a try, too. It can’t > be worst that the stuff some regulars usually post. > *runs for cover before the flames begin*

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Jim Winters writes: > Anyone know any celebrities who are NOT scientologists who have spoken > out against the very real danger of psychiatric abuse?

Psychiatric abuse is a non-problem.  Psychiatrists are simply medical doctors who attempt to treat mental illnesses medically.  With many mental illnesses (psychosis, OCD, depression, etc.) they achieve quite a significant degree of success. — Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

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Lobsterboy wrote: > After reading dozens of self-help books and thousands of post at ASS > and several other forums, and not having found almost anything that > could help, I’m ready to give a shot to the Church of Scientology. > So I’ve begun reading "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health". > The book that started it all.

Go for it. But keep both eyes open. Anyone know any celebrities who are NOT scientologists who have spoken out against the very real danger of psychiatric abuse? I can’t think of any, which worries and saddens me.

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mWarrior writes: > But while I’m here I’ve always wanted to know how this religion got it’s > name…wouldn’t ’scientology’ mean ‘the study of science’. What up with > that?

Scientology wasn’t originally a religion.  It became one in order to benefit from tax exemptions. — Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

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This doesn’t even make gramatical sense to me, much less have a ring of coherence.  Care to rephrase?  Since you decided to go through the trouble of cross-posting it might as well be something we can understand.

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TinyArm…@gmail.com wrote: > This doesn’t even make gramatical sense to me, much less have a ring of > coherence.  Care to rephrase?  Since you decided to go through the > trouble of cross-posting it might as well be something we can > understand.

He was wondering if Scientology could help with shyness and other mental problems. But while I’m here I’ve always wanted to know how this religion got it’s name…wouldn’t ’scientology’ mean ‘the study of science’. What up with that?

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> But while I’m here I’ve always wanted to know how this religion got it’s > name…wouldn’t ’scientology’ mean ‘the study of science’. What up with > that?

The cult organization wants its adherants to believe that Science is what scientology is about.  Hubbard believed himself to be performing research, while the rest of the world (save for his followers) knows he was only playing nutcase.  He performed not a shred of scientific experimentation, but still wanted to feel "sciency."  He couldn’t pass real curriculum, so he created his own playhouse.  Welcome to scientology! Ramona

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>"He was wondering if Scientology could help with shyness and other mental >problems. >But while I’m here I’ve always wanted to know how this religion got it’s >name…wouldn’t ’scientology’ mean ‘the study of science’. What up with >that? "

Well scientology’s mission is to brainwash you and make them give you all your money.  Being shy isn’t on their list of priorities, but I’m sure if you ask they will instantly tell you that they can "cure" you of it.  Of course, they say they can cure anything – cancer, AIDS, MS, head injuries, etc…. Scientology doesn’t mind preying on the mentally ill and taking their money – but once your out of money they will have nothing to do with you.  If you have money and exhibit signs of mental illness they will either lock you up in isolation until you’re dead (see Lisa McPherson) or broke. Sane people go insane after becoming involved in scientology so if you have any type of instability or mental health issues you should stay very far far far away because Scieno will only compound them a hundred fold – just ask ARS’s busiest pro-scieno poster Barbara Schwartz.  Or better yet read her posts about radio controlled bacteria to get a clear picture of the combination of mental illness and scientology.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lobsterboy wrote: > After reading dozens of self-help books and thousands of post at ASS > and several other forums, and not having found almost anything that > could help, I’m ready to give a shot to the Church of Scientology. > So I’ve begun reading "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health". > The book that started it all. > Yeah, I know, it’s said to be a cult by numerous and reputable sources. > I’m also well aware that it’s endorsed by John Travolta and Tom Cruise > wich should turn anyone’s bullshit radar in a second but…so far I’ve > read 13 pages and it’s interesting. > I downloaded it with e-mule, along with some other of Hubbard’s > (founder of the church) books. You could give it a try, too. It can’t > be worst that the stuff some regulars usually post. > *runs for cover before the flames begin*

         No comments. I just wanted to add a crosspost to alt.religion.scientology. August Pamplona — Women bring men they like tasks in much the same way cats put dead mice on their owner’s pillows. – Lola on a.s.s. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message’s ‘From’ field, in accordance with individual.net’s TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.

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In news:1124377241.693962.208310@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, Lobsterboy <lobsterboy_2…@yahoo.es> wrote : – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> After reading dozens of self-help books and thousands of post at ASS > and several other forums, and not having found almost anything that > could help, I’m ready to give a shot to the Church of Scientology. > So I’ve begun reading "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental > Health". The book that started it all. > Yeah, I know, it’s said to be a cult by numerous and reputable > sources. I’m also well aware that it’s endorsed by John Travolta and > Tom Cruise wich should turn anyone’s bullshit radar in a second > but…so far I’ve read 13 pages and it’s interesting. > I downloaded it with e-mule, along with some other of Hubbard’s > (founder of the church) books. You could give it a try, too. It can’t > be worst that the stuff some regulars usually post. > *runs for cover before the flames begin*

    what does it say?

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"Lobsterboy" <lobsterboy_2…@yahoo.es> wrote in news:1124377241.693962.208310@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> After reading dozens of self-help books and thousands of post at ASS > and several other forums, and not having found almost anything that > could help, I’m ready to give a shot to the Church of Scientology. > So I’ve begun reading "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health". > The book that started it all. > Yeah, I know, it’s said to be a cult by numerous and reputable sources. > I’m also well aware that it’s endorsed by John Travolta and Tom Cruise > wich should turn anyone’s bullshit radar in a second but…so far I’ve > read 13 pages and it’s interesting. > I downloaded it with e-mule, along with some other of Hubbard’s > (founder of the church) books. You could give it a try, too. It can’t > be worst that the stuff some regulars usually post. > *runs for cover before the flames begin*

I’m kind of hoping you’re serious here, although I doubt you are.  But the older I get the more sympathetic I get to the idea that if a secular version of reality isn’t doing it for you, you should try something else if you’re able.

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After reading dozens of self-help books and thousands of post at ASS and several other forums, and not having found almost anything that could help, I’m ready to give a shot to the Church of Scientology. So I’ve begun reading "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health". The book that started it all. Yeah, I know, it’s said to be a cult by numerous and reputable sources. I’m also well aware that it’s endorsed by John Travolta and Tom Cruise wich should turn anyone’s bullshit radar in a second but…so far I’ve read 13 pages and it’s interesting. I downloaded it with e-mule, along with some other of Hubbard’s (founder of the church) books. You could give it a try, too. It can’t be worst that the stuff some regulars usually post. *runs for cover before the flames begin*

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"Lobsterboy" <lobsterboy_2…@yahoo.es> wrote in news:1124377241.693962.208310@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > So I’ve begun reading "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health".

Dude: ANYONE can write a book that has something in it that might be true or at least sound likely. Self-help books can’t change you–you’re theonly one who can do it, and that involves *suffering*.  If you want to turn responsiblity for this task over to someone else, then join the Catholic Church.  At least they do some good things like feed poor people or something.  So I’ve heard, anyway.  Or send your money to United Way.   Instead of giving your money to an evil cult, why not give it to me? I could really use a T1 line and a high definition player with a terabyte or so of storage. —  "But," he added, "I think it’s also important for me to go on with my life, to keep a balanced life." George The-Buck-Stops-Elsewhere Bush.

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In news:Xns96B663891279Fnewbnewbcom@68.6.19.6, Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia <n…@newb.com> wrote : > "Lobsterboy" <lobsterboy_2…@yahoo.es> wrote in > news:1124377241.693962.208310@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > So I’ve begun reading "Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental > > Health". > Dude: ANYONE can write a book that has something in it that might be > true or at least sound likely. Self-help books can’t change you > –you’re theonly one who can do it, and that involves *suffering*.

    Now *this* is the Christian church, here…

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