Christianity QA

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Oh, another disgruntled secular lost soul spouts off, as if he invented "hating religion". Tell me,…what gang of wolves were you raised by? I just love these lost souls who have taken the benefits of being raised by a Christian heritage, and then spit on it and throw it up like arrogant ingrates.

Benefits? Tell me…how far back do you have to go in your family history before you have to tell me someone was religious?

Why should that matter? How far back do you have to go to find a racist or a slave owner/trader? Does that make you a racist and slave trader? Since I don’t know you apart from the vitriol here perhaps you are a racist and wanna be slave trader…. And, where did you get your values from if you didn’t get them from religion? the TV? Jerry Springer? your wolf pack?

I got mine from personal experience, consideration and thought. You got yours from a book written by ignorant men 1300 years ago and forced on you by your parents who had it forced on them and so on. Would you like to know Saddam Hussein was secular? Ooooh, that’s gotta hurt.

And Hitler was a christian – ooh that’s got to hurt. The fact is, someone else’s actions and opinions are just that *someone else’s*. gater.

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on 09 Dec 2004 in alt.atheism, Scream Machine dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, another disgruntled secular lost soul spouts off, as if he invented "hating religion". Tell me,…what gang of wolves were you raised by? I just love these lost souls who have taken the benefits of being raised by a Christian heritage, and then spit on it and throw it up like arrogant ingrates. Tell me…how far back do you have to go in your family history before you have to tell me someone was religious? And, where did you get your values from if you didn’t get them from religion? the TV? Jerry Springer? your wolf pack? Would you like to know Saddam Hussein was secular? Ooooh, that’s gotta hurt.

Awww, turn the other cheek already. — Vic Sagerquist aa#2011 Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department

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Pfff…, like the Torah or the Koran doesn’t have ugly passages? Are you new to religion? Perhaps you need to re-read one of my other comments – TAKE FROM IT WHAT YOU WILL. You sound like someone who has carelessly thrown the baby out with the bathwater. You didn’t like a couple of snippets, so you rejected it entirely outright. Way to go ingrate.

And I think you’ll find most non-believers dislike those fantasy books as much as the xtn ones. But as a *believer* you must by definition believe the your book is the word of your god – complete, correct and wholesome. Why then do you choose to ignore some of the rules? – the most draconian ones are quite clearly written even by the bible’s low standards. I’ll tell you why, because over many centuries, many very intelligent people have pointed out the stupidity of the bible with such clear arguments that even the most ardent believer cannot help but agree. You’re lucky those free-thinkers have gained for you the ability to choose your interpretation – just a few hundred years ago you’d have been persecuted for your heresy by the very people you claim to band with. As a final point, if you don’t believe & follow all the rules as written, how can you claim to be xtn (or whatever)? Either you are, or you aren’t – there’s no interpreted middle ground necessary with a book penned by god himself is there? gater.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, another disgruntled secular lost soul spouts off, as if he invented "hating religion". Well xtianity would be more intersting if it was based on Tolkeins books. Gandalf = Moses Golem = Judas and just as meaningfull. Tell me,…what gang of wolves were you raised by? Me, I was raised by apes, primates, not wolves. Although wolves are considered gentle and caring parents. Unless you read the bible which as expected gets just about everything wrong. I just love these lost souls who have taken the benefits of being raised by a Christian heritage, and then spit on it and throw it up like arrogant ingrates. If christian church leaders had been succesful in the suppresion of knowlege it would still be the dark ages and our heritage would be plowing fields for our fuedal overlords from dawn to dusk and paying 10% of all earnings as tithe to keep some fat arsed bishop in wenches and wine, with perhaps an occaisional witch burning to break the monotony. People were forced to live in this manner for centuries thanks to chritian heritage. The vatican even today is worth around 6 billion dollars which even without a christian heritage I find gross hypocrosy when viewing the latest famine pictures on the news. Tell me…how far back do you have to go in your family history before you have to tell me someone was religious? My father used to say "jesus h christ" alot when the vicar came tapping on the door with outstretched hand escpecially if the holy slacker had been round the neibourhood cadging drink. And, where did you get your values from if you didn’t get them from religion? the TV? Jerry Springer? your wolf pack? If you try to treat others in the same way as you would wish them to treat yourself, it gets you through without all that mystic bullshine. Oh! and never top post it’s very rude. Would you like to know Saddam Hussein was secular? Ooooh, that’s gotta hurt. Why should it hurt??? Hussain is a twat who developed methods of torture not seen since those inventive churchmen of the Spanish inquesition and their christian heritage, he deserves everything he gets. I hope he is sentenced to life imprisonment with daily visits from jehova’s witnesses who will try and convert his ass to the ‘one true god’ till he screams for mercy. LW

ROFLMAO!  Great reply, LW! Shalom, Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You should have some interesting excuses for the parts where God demands that Hebrews stone each other for breaking the sabbath law; stone each other for doing sex with the wrong people or animals; stone brides for failing to bleed as virgins on the wedding night; stone people for committing adultery; stone rebellious sons; stone people for blasphemy; conquer distant towns and exterminate the men, keeping the women and children in slavery; exterminate 8 tribes of people in Canaan — man, woman, and child; burn sexually active daughters of priests; poison wives suspected of adultery; …?

I can respond from the Christian perspective only. Each item mentioned here is covered by a proper understanding of the difference between Law and Gospel and the role each plays in our lives. For those interested in further study on this topic, I can point to no better source then:   Proper Distinction Between Law and Gospel   by Carl Walther   ISBN: 0570032482 Walther was the founder of the LCMS.

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Oh, another disgruntled secular lost soul spouts off, as if he invented "hating religion".

Well xtianity would be more intersting if it was based on Tolkeins books. Gandalf = Moses Golem = Judas and just as meaningfull. Tell me,…what gang of wolves were you raised by?

Me, I was raised by apes, primates, not wolves. Although wolves are considered gentle and caring parents. Unless you read the bible which as expected gets just about everything wrong. I just love these lost souls who have taken the benefits of being raised by a Christian heritage, and then spit on it and throw it up like arrogant ingrates.

If christian church leaders had been succesful in the suppresion of knowlege it would still be the dark ages and our heritage would be plowing fields for our fuedal overlords from dawn to dusk and paying 10% of all earnings as tithe to keep some fat arsed bishop in wenches and wine, with perhaps an occaisional witch burning to break the monotony. People were forced to live in this manner for centuries thanks to chritian heritage. The vatican even today is worth around 6 billion dollars which even without a christian heritage I find gross hypocrosy when viewing the latest famine pictures on the news. Tell me…how far back do you have to go in your family history before you have to tell me someone was religious?

My father used to say "jesus h christ" alot when the vicar came tapping on the door with outstretched hand escpecially if the holy slacker had been round the neibourhood cadging drink. And, where did you get your values from if you didn’t get them from religion? the TV? Jerry Springer? your wolf pack?

If you try to treat others in the same way as you would wish them to treat yourself, it gets you through without all that mystic bullshine. Oh! and never top post it’s very rude. Would you like to know Saddam Hussein was secular? Ooooh, that’s gotta hurt.

Why should it hurt??? Hussain is a twat who developed methods of torture not seen since those inventive churchmen of the Spanish inquesition and their christian heritage, he deserves everything he gets. I hope he is sentenced to life imprisonment with daily visits from jehova’s witnesses who will try and convert his ass to the ‘one true god’ till he screams for mercy. LW

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on 08 Dec 2004 in alt.atheism,  dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted: "From a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." — 2 Timothy 3:15-17

Get ‘em while they’re young! — Vic Sagerquist aa#2011 Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department

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"From a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." — 2 Timothy 3:15-17

Did God also write the parts of the Bible that mention dragons, unicorns, and satyrs? Isaiah 43:20 The beasts of the field shall honor me, the dragons and the ostriches: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give to drink to my people, my chosen. Isaiah 34:7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness. Isaiah 13:21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there. –Billy

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The bible offers parables with time-honoured values and social lessons. Take from it what you want. Christianities "old testament" are the jewish stories. Jesus comes in with the New Testament. You could say Christianity is like Judaism 2.0

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Bible was not dictated by god to mortal scribes; it was written and embellished by some 40 authors – claimed prophets, kings, politicians and clergymen in a variety of styles over a 2500 year period. Non of the present books of the Bible are the original documents. It was written  in Hebrew, Greek (vernacular), Aramaic, Syriac, Coptic and Latin. On stone, wood, clay, goatskin and papyrus. It is an amalgam of history, tales, folklore, mythology and fiction. It is so abstruse that almost any interpretation that one likes can be claimed. It is a strange mixture of diverse human documents, metaphors, allegories, history and fables and irreconcilable notions. Inspired? The Bible is not even intelligent. It is not even good craftsmanship, but is full of absurdities and contradictions. If this is the word of God, God is in serious need of mental help. "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." – Isaac Asimov The Bible authors thought the earth was flat and was centered in the Middle East. This flat earth had a dome like sky.  Beyond the clouds was heaven and the home of the Gods. And hell was not too far underground. The earth was the center of the Universe and the Sun, Planets and Stars revolved around the earth. Modern astrology now knows the Earth, Planets and Stars in our Universe revolve around the Sun and that our Universe is but a spec in a vast Universe of trillions of stars and planets scattered over an unknown distance of millions of light years. If the Jesus story is true, why did Jesus only communicate through errant disciples with a miniscule portion of the worlds population for only a relatively few years? Man has existed for over 100,000 years. If man, who God supposedly created, can communicate clearly via radio, TV and telephone to the entire world, why can’t God communicate his demands and wishes clearly and directly by an equally efficient manner to the entire world? Why communicate with a document like the Bible produced over a period of 2500 years by errant men that is obtuse and contradictory?  There is NO OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE that the Bible is the word of God. Why should we believe it? And why didn’t God communicate with mankind 150,000 years ago when man first walked the earth instead of letting man go without guidance for 150,000 years? There are other Holy books such as the Bhagavad Gita, the Tora, the Koran, the Pali cannon, the Vedas etc. Which, if any, is the true word of a real God? If all men go to a heaven or hell for eternity why does God not let them communicate with their children and friends to assure them of who is the real God, and that heaven and hell actually do exist? Why keep this a secret? If God wants us to follow his rules and obey him, why does he permit such a multitude of God beliefs and confusion as to which is the real God and rules? This whole Jesus/Bible/religious scenario appears to be pure fable written by errant men – NOT the words of any God. — Bill

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"From a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." — 2 Timothy 3:15-17 Did God also write the parts of the Bible that mention dragons, unicorns, and satyrs?

If that is indeed the correct translation, then, yes. Isaiah 43:20 The beasts of the field shall honor me, the dragons and the ostriches: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give to drink to my people, my chosen.

The NIV, calls them jackals and owls instead of dragons and ostriches. The KJKV, NASB & ESV calls them jackals and ostrches. It would appear that this is merely an issue of incorrect translation on the part of the KJV, which you are quoting. The same analysis can be applied to Isaiah 34:7 & Isaiah 13:21 For more information on Translation, I would recommend reading:   http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2203

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The Bible was not dictated by god to mortal scribes;

For the Lutheran view on this topic, I would recommend reading:   http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2521 And the report by the Commission on Theology and Church Relations which can be found at:   http://www.lcms.org/graphics/assets/media/CTCR/gospel_scripture.pdf

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The bible offers parables with time-honoured values and social lessons.

I especially like the time-honored values and social lessons of Deuteronomy 20: 10-20.

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said in alt.atheism: Jesus comes in with the New Testament. You could say Christianity is like Judaism 2.0

And, like Microsoft, religion never gets "dot zero" versions correct. — "The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically false, and at the least an error of faith." – Catholic Church’s decision against Galileo Galilei (random sig, produced by SigChanger) rukbat at verizon dot net

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The bible offers parables with time-honoured values and social lessons. Take from it what you want.

I will almost certainly purchase a copy on the event of my becoming a sheep farmer or genocidal dictator. LW

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You should have some interesting excuses for the parts where God demands that Hebrews stone each other for breaking the sabbath law; stone each other for doing sex with the wrong people or animals; stone brides for failing to bleed as virgins on the wedding night; stone people for committing adultery; stone rebellious sons; stone people for blasphemy; conquer distant towns and exterminate the men, keeping the women and children in slavery; exterminate 8 tribes of people in Canaan — man, woman, and child; burn sexually active daughters of priests; poison wives suspected of adultery; …? –Slade

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Oh, another disgruntled secular lost soul spouts off, as if he invented "hating religion". Tell me,…what gang of wolves were you raised by? I just love these lost souls who have taken the benefits of being raised by a Christian heritage, and then spit on it and throw it up like arrogant ingrates. Tell me…how far back do you have to go in your family history before you have to tell me someone was religious? And, where did you get your values from if you didn’t get them from religion? the TV? Jerry Springer? your wolf pack? Would you like to know Saddam Hussein was secular? Ooooh, that’s gotta hurt.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The bible offers parables with time-honoured values and social lessons. Take from it what you want. I will almost certainly purchase a copy on the event of my becoming a sheep farmer or genocidal dictator. LW

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Yeah, sort of like Secular 0.0?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – said in alt.atheism: Jesus comes in with the New Testament. You could say Christianity is like Judaism 2.0 And, like Microsoft, religion never gets "dot zero" versions correct. — "The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically false, and at the least an error of faith." – Catholic Church’s decision against Galileo Galilei (random sig, produced by SigChanger) rukbat at verizon dot net

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Pfff…, like the Torah or the Koran doesn’t have ugly passages? Are you new to religion? Perhaps you need to re-read one of my other comments – TAKE FROM IT WHAT YOU WILL. You sound like someone who has carelessly thrown the baby out with the bathwater. You didn’t like a couple of snippets, so you rejected it entirely outright. Way to go ingrate.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The bible offers parables with time-honoured values and social lessons. I especially like the time-honored values and social lessons of Deuteronomy 20: 10-20.

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What a moron you are.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, another disgruntled secular lost soul spouts off, as if he invented "hating religion". Tell me,…what gang of wolves were you raised by? I just love these lost souls who have taken the benefits of being raised by a Christian heritage, and then spit on it and throw it up like arrogant ingrates. Tell me…how far back do you have to go in your family history before you have to tell me someone was religious? And, where did you get your values from if you didn’t get them from religion? the TV? Jerry Springer? your wolf pack? Would you like to know Saddam Hussein was secular? Ooooh, that’s gotta hurt. The bible offers parables with time-honoured values and social lessons. Take from it what you want. I will almost certainly purchase a copy on the event of my becoming a sheep farmer or genocidal dictator. LW

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Let’s see:- Saddam Hussein is secular; George Bush is Christian. Saddam did not attack America; George sent bombers to Iraq. Saddam killed not a single American; George has killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Saddam told the truth about not having WMD; George lied and then lied about lying. Saddam now languishes in prison, though convicted of no crime; George lives in a palace with all the trappings of power though guilty of the same crimes that caused the Nazis to be hung by the neck until dead. Saddam Hussein is secular; George Bush is a Christian. Glad you pointed that out.  It certainly clarifies the issues. –Slade

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Pfff…, like the Torah or the Koran doesn’t have ugly passages? Are you new to religion? Perhaps you need to re-read one of my other comments – TAKE FROM IT WHAT YOU WILL. You sound like someone who has carelessly thrown the baby out with the bathwater. You didn’t like a couple of snippets, so you rejected it entirely outright. Way to go ingrate.

Umm..doesn’t it sound a bit far out that the supreme creator of the entire Universe stopped by this tiny planet to tell an ancient goat-herder that his decendents would be the chosen elite of God? And, to prove it, he had to cut off a piece of his dick! Shalom, Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The bible offers parables with time-honoured values and social lessons. I especially like the time-honored values and social lessons of Deuteronomy 20: 10-20.

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The Bible was not dictated by god to mortal scribes; it was written and embellished by some 40 authors – claimed prophets, kings, politicians and clergymen in a variety of styles over a 2500 year period. Non of the present books of the Bible are the original documents. It was written  in Hebrew, Greek (vernacular), Aramaic, Syriac, Coptic and Latin. On stone, wood, clay, goatskin and papyrus. It is an amalgam of history, tales, folklore, mythology and fiction. It is so abstruse that almost any interpretation that one likes can be claimed. It is a strange mixture of diverse human documents, metaphors, allegories, history and fables and irreconcilable notions. Inspired? The Bible is not even intelligent. It is not even good craftsmanship, but is full of absurdities and contradictions. If this is the word of God, God is in serious need of mental help. "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." – Isaac Asimov The Bible authors thought the earth was flat and was centered in the Middle East. This flat earth had a dome like sky.  Beyond the clouds was heaven and the home of the Gods. And hell was not too far underground. The earth was the center of the Universe and the Sun, Planets and Stars revolved around the earth. Modern astrology now knows the Earth, Planets and Stars in our Universe revolve around the Sun and that our Universe is but a spec in a vast Universe of trillions of stars and planets scattered over an unknown distance of millions of light years. If the Jesus story is true, why did Jesus only communicate through errant disciples with a miniscule portion of the worlds population for only a relatively few years? Man has existed for over 100,000 years. If man, who God supposedly created, can communicate clearly via radio, TV and telephone to the entire world, why can’t God communicate his demands and wishes clearly and directly by an equally efficient manner to the entire world? Why communicate with a document like the Bible produced over a period of 2500 years by errant men that is obtuse and contradictory?  There is NO OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE that the Bible is the word of God. Why should we believe it? And why didn’t God communicate with mankind 150,000 years ago when man first walked the earth instead of letting man go without guidance for 150,000 years? There are other Holy books such as the Bhagavad Gita, the Tora, the Koran, the Pali cannon, the Vedas etc. Which, if any, is the true word of a real God? If all men go to a heaven or hell for eternity why does God not let them communicate with their children and friends to assure them of who is the real God, and that heaven and hell actually do exist? Why keep this a secret? If God wants us to follow his rules and obey him, why does he permit such a multitude of God beliefs and confusion as to which is the real God and rules? This whole Jesus/Bible/religious scenario appears to be pure fable written by errant men – NOT the words of any God. — Bill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Bible was not dictated by god to mortal scribes; it was written and embellished by some 40 authors – claimed prophets, kings, politicians and clergymen in a variety of styles over a 2500 year period. Non of the present books of the Bible are the original documents. It was written  in Hebrew, Greek (vernacular), Aramaic, Syriac, Coptic and Latin. On stone, wood, clay, goatskin and papyrus. It is an amalgam of history, tales, folklore, mythology and fiction. It is so abstruse that almost any interpretation that one likes can be claimed. It is a strange mixture of diverse human documents, metaphors, allegories, history and fables and irreconcilable notions. Inspired? The Bible is not even intelligent. It is not even good craftsmanship, but is full of absurdities and contradictions. If this is the word of God, God is in serious need of mental help. "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." – Isaac Asimov The Bible authors thought the earth was flat and was centered in the Middle East. This flat earth had a dome like sky.  Beyond the clouds was heaven and the home of the Gods. And hell was not too far underground. The earth was the center of the Universe and the Sun, Planets and Stars revolved around the earth. Modern astrology now knows the Earth, Planets and Stars in our Universe revolve around the Sun and that our Universe is but a spec in a vast Universe of trillions of stars and planets scattered over an unknown distance of millions of light years. If the Jesus story is true, why did Jesus only communicate through errant disciples with a miniscule portion of the worlds population for only a relatively few years? Man has existed for over 100,000 years. If man, who God supposedly created, can communicate clearly via radio, TV and telephone to the entire world, why can’t God communicate his demands and wishes clearly and directly by an equally efficient manner to the entire world? Why communicate with a document like the Bible produced over a period of 2500 years by errant men that is obtuse and contradictory?  There is NO OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE that the Bible is the word of God. Why should we believe it? And why didn’t God communicate with mankind 150,000 years ago when man first walked the earth instead of letting man go without guidance for 150,000 years? There are other Holy books such as the Bhagavad Gita, the Tora, the Koran, the Pali cannon, the Vedas etc. Which, if any, is the true word of a real God? If all men go to a heaven or hell for eternity why does God not let them communicate with their children and friends to assure them of who is the real God, and that heaven and hell actually do exist? Why keep this a secret? If God wants us to follow his rules and obey him, why does he permit such a multitude of God beliefs and confusion as to which is the real God and rules? This whole Jesus/Bible/religious scenario appears to be pure fable written by errant men – NOT the words of any God.

Bill, don’t you know that thinking for yourself and discovering the truth is frowned on by every religion on this planet?  ;) Shalom, Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Bill

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"From a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." — 2 Timothy 3:15-17

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@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: "From a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." — 2 Timothy 3:15-17

Of course.  How silly of us not to realize that by stating that it is the work of god, the bible must really be the work of god. — Woden "religion is a socio-political system for controlling people’s thoughts, lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."

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