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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He often spoke of God however, and although his German Church was rather different from conventional Christianity (in that it presented Christ as a fighter), it was still broadly Christian. I must disagree with you, Christ was a fighter, that is conventional Christianity, in conformance with Scripture. It is satan who is the great deceiver. His prophets generally do not appear as evil, for that would be too obvious and satan is a whole lot more subtle than that. Just ask Eve. What is evil will appear as righteousness in the last days and before, and most will worship the anti-Christ not because he appears as evil, but because he appears to be loving and peaceful, caring about people, even tolerant to sin. If it sounds too good to be true, hold on to your souls.
IIRC, the Christ figure is usually presented as submissive – not fighting back, "Turning the other cheek" etc. <SNIP — Anla’Shok Dave We Live for the Cats We Die for the Cats May his merciful paw fall upon you
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He often spoke of God however, and although his German Church was rather different from conventional Christianity (in that it presented Christ as a fighter), it was still broadly Christian. I must disagree with you, Christ was a fighter, that is conventional Christianity, in conformance with Scripture. It is satan who is the great deceiver. His prophets generally do not appear as evil, for that would be too obvious and satan is a whole lot more subtle than that. Just ask Eve. What is evil will appear as righteousness in the last days and before, and most will worship the anti-Christ not because he appears as evil, but because he appears to be loving and peaceful, caring about people, even tolerant to sin. If it sounds too good to be true, hold on to your souls.
IIRC, the Christ figure is usually presented as submissive – not fighting back, "Turning the other cheek" etc. <SNIP
Check out the story of Christ with the moneychangers at the Temple. This is not submmissive nor is it passive. God is slow to act; patient to allow all the free choice to live up to the covenant which He has made available; but His patience is not eternal. Continued, unrepentant sin is not without judgment. Christ is never presented as submissive, but as responsible, obedient to God’s Word, and loving.He is patient, but that patience is not for eternity, there is an end. He is also intolerant to sin, as defined by the covenant of law which He either affirmed or fulfilled, to the last jot and tittle. He forgave sin, but cautioned those to sin no more. He never forgave and said it was no big deal, go and sin some more. — May God Bless You, Michael Character Counts. It is not hypocritical to set a high goal and occasionally fail. It is hypocritical to set a low goal and occasionally succeed.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – IIRC, the Christ figure is usually presented as submissive – not fighting back, "Turning the other cheek" etc. <SNIP Check out the story of Christ with the moneychangers at the Temple. This is not submmissive nor is it passive. God is slow to act; patient to allow all the free choice to live up to the covenant which He has made available; but His patience is not eternal. Continued, unrepentant sin is not without judgment. Christ is never presented as submissive, but as responsible, obedient to God’s Word, and loving.He is patient, but that patience is not for eternity, there is an end. He is also intolerant to sin, as defined by the covenant of law which He either affirmed or fulfilled, to the last jot and tittle. He forgave sin, but cautioned those to sin no more. He never forgave and said it was no big deal, go and sin some more.
Well, perhaps I phrased my comments about the Nazi-German church wrongly – I should have said that they made the Christ figure into more of a warrior. — Anla’Shok Dave We Live for the Cats We Die for the Cats May his merciful paw fall upon you
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Well, perhaps I phrased my comments about the Nazi-German church wrongly – I should have said that they made the Christ figure into more of a warrior. — Anla’Shok Dave We Live for the Cats We Die for the Cats May his merciful paw fall upon you
I appreciate the revised statement. My research of the Nazi period suggests more paraphrasing than that could be done. What are you evaluating to come to the conclusion above? I would be interested in reviewing i, if you can share with me what you are considering. Although God, in His mercy and love for mankind, has provided covenants which can set aside all repentant sin in forgieveness, there are still consequences to sin, even that which is forgieven. The consequences of Hitler’s sin affects us even to this day, generation after generation as Scripture indicates. Not becase of anything God has done, but from the sin that Hitler has unleashed which affects both the immoral and the more righteous. If Hitler did truly repent before his death and received forgieveness, the consequences of his sin is that he had absolutely no riches stored in heaven. If he did make it to heaven from God’s love even for one of the least of us, Hitler must surely be one of the most necked and ashamed in heaven. — May God Bless You, Michael Character Counts. It is not hypocritical to set a high goal and occasionally fail. It is hypocritical to set a low goal and occasionally succeed.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, perhaps I phrased my comments about the Nazi-German church wrongly – I should have said that they made the Christ figure into more of a warrior. I appreciate the revised statement. My research of the Nazi period suggests more paraphrasing than that could be done. What are you evaluating to come to the conclusion above? I would be interested in reviewing i, if you can share with me what you are considering. Although God, in His mercy and love for mankind, has provided covenants which can set aside all repentant sin in forgieveness, there are still consequences to sin, even that which is forgieven. The consequences of Hitler’s sin affects us even to this day, generation after generation as Scripture indicates. Not becase of anything God has done, but from the sin that Hitler has unleashed which affects both the immoral and the more righteous. If Hitler did truly repent before his death and received forgieveness, the consequences of his sin is that he had absolutely no riches stored in heaven. If he did make it to heaven from God’s love even for one of the least of us, Hitler must surely be one of the most necked and ashamed in heaven.
Urm I can’t actually remember what this is about now – give me a while to read back through the posts and I’ll tell you. — Anla’Shok Dave We Live for the Cats We Die for the Cats May his merciful paw fall upon you
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Anti-Semitic 1.. Christians murdered Jews during the Inquisition just as they murdered pagans. 2.. The Bible was used to justify the murder of the Jews in Nazi Germany. 3.. Don’t say that it was just the Catholics who were anti-Semetic, so are the Lutherans: "What then shall we Christians do with this damned, rejected race of Jews? First, their synagogues or churches should be set on fire … Secondly, their homes should likewise be broken down and destroyed … They ought to be put under one roof or in a stable, like gypsies. Thirdly, they should be deprived of their prayer-books and Talmuds in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught. Fourthly, their rabbis must be forbidden under threat of death to teach any more … Fifthly, passport and traveling privileges should be absolutely forbidden to the Jews … Sixthly, they ought to be stopped from usury. All their cash and valuables of silver and gold ought to be taken from the and put aside for safe keeping … Seventhly, let the young and strong Jews and Jewesses be given the flail, the axe, the hoe, the spade, the distaff, and spindle, and let them earn their bread by the sweat of their noses as is enjoined upon Adam’s children …" — Martin Luther (1543). Martin Luther is often considered to be the father of Protestantism. For you particularly stupid Christians, a Protestant is a Christian who is not a Catholic. 4.. Christian anti-Semitism is going on today in mainstream Christianity! A quote from Pat Robertson: "The New Testament reveals that Jews ‘both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men’ (1 Thess. 2:15). History records the terrible sufferings the Jewish people have experienced as a result." 5.. Here are some examples of anti-Semitism on the net. Back to Contents Anti-women 1.. Women are portrayed as weak and sinful by the Bible. The "first" woman is created from the rib of Adam so that she will be subservient to him in contrast to Lilith, the real first woman, who refused to lie beneath him because she was his equal. Eve then goes on to commit the original sin and to tempt Adam into it as well. She is punished for this with eternal pain in childbirth for all her kind. Whether you see this as literal or metaphorical is not the point. The most holy woman of the Bible, Mary, is raped by God, and is then happy about it; the book goes on to make every effort to absolve her of any responsibility for the birth. Mary is powerless. She is merely a an orifice for God to be born from. 2.. The Bible says that menstruation makes a woman unclean and that she should not be touched during this time. How can a religion strike more directly at the heart of female-ness? Women are also considered unclean when they give birth: "Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child; then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean…But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation; and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." — Leviticus 12:2, 5. Feminist authors note that this may be an intentional reversal of the earlier pagan view that menstrual blood was divine; now the blood of Jesus is divine. 3.. Christianity further demonizes women by demonizing one of their unique powers in the world: That is, their sexual power over men. Christianity views sex and lust, in particular, as evil and so demonizes the woman who would be overtly sexual. This causes women to hide their sexuality and be ashamed of it. Feminists authors have suggested that the primary goal of the sexual suppression of Christendom is to limit the power of women over men. 4.. The Bible does not accept the idea of a female leader, except in desperate circumstances. A quote from Rev. R. L. Dabney: "The woman is not designed by God, nor entitled to all the franchises in society to which the male is entitled…God has disqualified her for any such exercise of them as would benefit herself or society, by the endowments of body, mind, and heart he has given her, and the share he has assigned her in the tasks of social existence." A quote from the Bible: "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." — 1 Corinthians 11:3 Back to Contents Child Abuse Telling a child that if she/he disobeys, he/she will be thrown into a dark, unspeakable place by an imaginary demon is child abuse. So is telling a child that their beloved pets do not get to go to heaven when they die. Back to Contents Domestic Animal Abuse 1.. Apparently, animals don’t go to heaven, even if they are your beloved pets because they don’t have souls. This has led to the common perception that animals are not aware enough to be bothered by experimental techniques too horrible for humans. Guess what? All mammals are sentient beings and deserve certain rights as a result. In a recent discussion of the rescue of a human child by an ape at a zoo, the interviewer asked a scientist if this behavior meant that apes have souls, implying that one cannot be moral without a soul. The media is saturated with this kind of idiocy. 2.. Cats were tortured and murdered alongside witches during the Inquisition. "The cat, which represented the devil, could not suffer enough." (from Barbara G. Walker’s The Woman’s Book of Myths and Secrets) — Mike Please remove the .NOSPAM from my email address when replying check out – www.msu.edu/~tansymic
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<SNIP If you add Hilter, who was also a Socialist, from a party that directly derived from Karl Marx, who killed approximately 30 million Jews, then you can see why men have tried to fight to keep socialism out of our country.
Nazism was socialism in name only, Fascism is diametrically opposed to Socialism. Also, I have no idea where you are getting the 30million figure from – the usually quoted numbers are closer to 6 million. Hitler was no Christian, but many true Christians assisted their true brothers in Judah to escape death at the hands of Hitler, even exposing themselves to the same fate. It is too bad that this is not better documented in Halocaust museums. I agree. Hilter was born into Catholism, but seemed to reject it as he got older.
He often spoke of God however, and although his German Church was rather different from conventional Christianity (in that it presented Christ as a fighter), it was still broadly Christian. <SNIP — Anla’Shok Dave We Live for the Cats We Die for the Cats May his merciful paw fall upon you
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He often spoke of God however, and although his German Church was rather different from conventional Christianity (in that it presented Christ as a fighter), it was still broadly Christian.
I must disagree with you, Christ was a fighter, that is conventional Christianity, in conformance with Scripture. It is satan who is the great deceiver. His prophets generally do not appear as evil, for that would be too obvious and satan is a whole lot more subtle than that. Just ask Eve. What is evil will appear as righteousness in the last days and before, and most will worship the anti-Christ not because he appears as evil, but because he appears to be loving and peaceful, caring about people, even tolerant to sin. If it sounds too good to be true, hold on to your souls. Only God knows what is in one
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