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thusly: When you can prove this without misinterpreting and massacring scripture perhaps we will listen. Something other than your beliefs would be nice as well. Pax Where have I misinterpreted PP? Where have I massacred Scripture? As for ‘my beliefs’ — what about yours? Mine are based on Christian truths whereas your are based on mere men.
They are both based on mere men
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spake thusly: Mine are based on Christian truths whereas your are based on mere men. They are both based on mere men according to you. ….. but then, you don’t know everything either. Come to think of it, do you know anything about Christianity? It doesn’t sound much like you do so far… But God bless you regardless. Elaine
Actually so long as you think the whole thing is some divine operation to forgive sin by the divinity sacrificing, albeit only temporarily, his own son – presumably either to himself or to some other un-named powers…. So long as you think that the Pauline Salvation theology is solely based on the life and death of Jesus and not in large part on pagan and Gnostic literary sources and religious concepts… So long as you dismiss historical context, historical knowledge, and archaeology….. So long as you treat the ideosyncratic Christian interpretation of Judaic Scriptures as valid including the clearly erroneous use of prophecy as direct predictions of Jesus…… So long as you regard Revelation as a prophecy of events future to our time….. So long as you fail to see apocalyptism as a style and technique in ancient literature….. So long as you confuse myth and poetry with reality…. So long as you see the history of Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox Christianity prior to Martin Luther as being seperate from the history of your own denomination……. So long as you try to bridge the obvious gaps in the story of Christianity and its early disputes with the laughable concept that it was all "under the guidance of the Holy Spirit" so must have turned out the way God meant it to be……. And so long as you fail to see through the eccentricities and errors of Paul and of the writer of John’s Gospel….. And so on Then frankly you know a lot less about Christianity and Jesus than I do. I have at least turned my back on a comforting fable. I have had the integrity to walk away from what is plainly to me a falsehood. But I retain the regret that the church is so resistant to an essential and in the long run unavoidable Reformation of its theology. Roman Protestantism – like Roman Catholicism and Roman Orthodoxy desperately needs reform. Fundamentalism has merely dammed up the pressure to the point where the dam must burst. I think it is worth reflecting that on the two occasions in the last century when the dam burst the results were disasterous they were what became Nazism and Stalinism. This failure of Christianity to reform itself is a dangerous burden and threat to the world and suicidal to itself Not meant offensively – Truly
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Well the truth si hard to swallow for fundies like yourself, but it is still there, whether you accept it or not. Pax
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thusly: Keep worshipping that book like a good fundie. In the mean time we will continue to be Christ’s Church based in the truth handed from the beginning. Pax Continue on, then, being deceived, PP —- that’s your prerogative. Just don’t expect people in CHRISTIAN newsgroups like alt.religion.christian.baptist to allow you to deceive people in here. We won’t stand idly by and allow it. The FACT remains your little Johnny was proven incorrect, and that galls you. No– I won’t kill file you— and I might even remove Raul from the bin as well– in order to keep abreast of what you two will be trying to pull next. Have a pleasant morning. "Friends are God’s way of taking care of us." Please help support the hungry: go to http://www.thehungersite.com
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To those who have already responded to the original posting, please forgive the double posting, but my intended recipient had not seen it. Thanks, Bethany Hey Puck, You couldn’t have searched very well, I founds LOADS of info on Satanic crimes and Ritualistic murders:
Please remember that the above statement was written before I knew you do not have the access that I do. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1. Raising Hell — An Encyclopedia of Devil Worship & Satanic Crime – Michael Newton. 1993 Avon Books 2. Satanism: Crimewave of the 90’s, Carol White. 1990 3. The Encyclopedia of Modern Murder, Colin Wilson. 1988 4. The Franklin Cover-Up Child Abuse, Satanism and Murder in Nebraska, John W. DeCamp. 5. Cults That Kill: Probing the WOrld of Occult Crime, L. Kahner 6. The New Satanists, Linda Osborn Blood 7. ****Hell Ranch – Nightmare of Voodoo, Drugs and Death in Matamoros, Clifford L. Linedecker (Hmmm, could swear someone referenced this one?) There is literally TONS of information on this stuff if you choose to actually look.
Again, oops, didn’t know. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bethany
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First of all, we’re definitely starting off on a bad foot, the name used was "spanky" which is my husband’s nickname not my own and I do not appreciate the 3-rd grade rudeness you seem to want to start this post off with further…. First of all, I hit the reply button, I changed nothing. If "spunky" was in the posting I received, it was in the one I sent out. OR, my spell checker may have changed it. I haven’t used any "3rd grade rudeness" in any posting on this topic. You must be thinking of someone else.
Must be – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … Just because there is "tons" of info does not mean that that info is reliable or true. There is quite a bit written about astrology and not one bit of it is true! There’s "tons" of stuff on the Bermuda Triangle, but when you start looking deeper you’ll find that it’s all based on hear say, anecdotes, and nothing substantial. If you check into this satanic stuff, you’ll find it to be bogus. Except for the fact that the bodies remain dead, mutliated. And it’s really convenient that there’s no bodies. No crime reports. No nothing, except for a few paragraphs in a newspaper or book talking about what someone said. For instance, in the Matamoros murders when Mark Kilroy was abducted, they dismembered him cut out his heart, genitals and intestines for a "sacrifice stew" and guess what, his family still grieves and do other families who have experience the touch or this horrid crime. Any police reports. Have you, or anyone else, looked for any kind of supporting evidence that this incident ever happened? Did you call the Matamoros sheriff? Why the heck would I call the Matamoros sheriff when I was living there and the information was everywhere! Again, just because the information is everywhere does not mean it’s true. Has [sic] you bothered to do 60 seconds worth of research on the net? There are dozens and dozens of articles, books, case studies, interviews, pictures and eveything else. And because it’s on the net it’s true?
I was not saying that it must be true if it’s on the net, but then again, with all the references I have seen, and the interviews, investigations, records and documentation, unless I was personally there to witness the murder how could I possibly prove this point. It’s also obvious even when I was there for the aftermath that I am expected to provide a complete portfolio of "acceptable documentation", this is not going to happen. Sorry, but for some reason the mind of a child (at the time) is just not ready to watched [sic] law enforcement officers excavated [sic] a few dozen dead, decomposing, dismebered bodies. Go figure. Are you completely blind or just want to claim yet another set of facts are false because you choose not to believe? Did I say they were false, or just showing skepticism? So, let’s grant you that these murders did take place. That in no way would make all the other alleged "satanic" crimes to be true.
That is correct and I am not saying all claims to Satanic ritualistic murder is correct, in fact, as I said before, most of them are not, but there are true cases. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Whether or not you believe it to be "bogus" makes no difference — ask any police officer, FBI agent or Occult Crime Investigation Unit officer and you will find that these cases (althought the REAL ones are few), they do happen. Bethany I’m not saying this NEVER happens. Ask those you just named and they’ll tell you it’s pretty rare. You’ll also find that most of those "Occult Crime Investigation Units" are no longer functioning; they investigated and found nothing. Excuse me, but the quote was that there was not one documented true case of this happening! You still haven’t documented it.
And that is your opinion, which you are entitled to I never said that this was a frequent occurance, in fact in my own words above I SAID "(although the real ones are few)" Did we also conveniently miss that? David, if you cannot contribute to this discussion, you are achieving no purpose in being here. Talk about 3rd grade rudeness.
Well, I apologize, the way this post started off, I pretty much took it as an assault and continued along those lines, my fault. I was addressing a direct statement made that was wrong. I was addressing blanket statements with no support from an unskeptical person. If you wish to be as Henny Penny (a 3rd grade reference you’ll understand) then go ahead. But you won’t convince me the sky is falling.
At this point, I’m not trying to convince anyone, I was trying to give references so people could find out for themselves and caught grief for that, I shared my personal story and caught grief for that, I tried to do the research to provide support for my point and caught grief for that. I have come to realize that even if you drop a dead body on someone’s doorstep with pictures, police files and everything else, they’ll just never believe. At least I have the peace of knowing I’m correct on this one. Trust me, you were the last one I wanted to get off on a bod foot with, oops. Bethany – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – David J. Vorous Dyslexics of the world UNTIE! http://users.aimnet.com/~dvorous/
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First of all, we’re definitely starting off on a bad foot, the name used was "spanky" which is my husband’s nickname not my own and I do not appreciate the 3-rd grade rudeness you seem to want to start this post off with further….
First of all, I hit the reply button, I changed nothing. If "spunky" was in the posting I received, it was in the one I sent out. OR, my spell checker may have changed it. I haven’t used any "3rd grade rudeness" in any posting on this topic. You must be thinking of someone else. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … Just because there is "tons" of info does not mean that that info is reliable or true. There is quite a bit written about astrology and not one bit of it is true! There’s "tons" of stuff on the Bermuda Triangle, but when you start looking deeper you’ll find that it’s all based on hear say, anecdotes, and nothing substantial. If you check into this satanic stuff, you’ll find it to be bogus. Except for the fact that the bodies remain dead, mutliated. And it’s really convenient that there’s no bodies. No crime reports. No nothing, except for a few paragraphs in a newspaper or book talking about what someone said. For instance, in the Matamoros murders when Mark Kilroy was abducted, they dismembered him cut out his heart, genitals and intestines for a "sacrifice stew" and guess what, his family still grieves and do other families who have experience the touch or this horrid crime. Any police reports. Have you, or anyone else, looked for any kind of supporting evidence that this incident ever happened? Did you call the Matamoros sheriff? Why the heck would I call the Matamoros sheriff when I was living there and the information was everywhere!
Again, just because the information is everywhere does not mean it’s true. Has [sic] you bothered to do 60 seconds worth of research on the net? There are dozens and dozens of articles, books, case studies, interviews, pictures and eveything else.
And because it’s on the net it’s true? Sorry, but for some reason the mind of a child (at the time) is just not ready to watched [sic] law enforcement officers excavated [sic] a few dozen dead, decomposing, dismebered bodies. Go figure. Are you completely blind or just want to claim yet another set of facts are false because you choose not to believe?
Did I say they were false, or just showing skepticism? So, let’s grant you that these murders did take place. That in no way would make all the other alleged "satanic" crimes to be true. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Whether or not you believe it to be "bogus" makes no difference — ask any police officer, FBI agent or Occult Crime Investigation Unit officer and you will find that these cases (althought the REAL ones are few), they do happen. Bethany I’m not saying this NEVER happens. Ask those you just named and they’ll tell you it’s pretty rare. You’ll also find that most of those "Occult Crime Investigation Units" are no longer functioning; they investigated and found nothing. Excuse me, but the quote was that there was not one documented true case of this happening!
You still haven’t documented it. I never said that this was a frequent occurance, in fact in my own words above I SAID "(although the real ones are few)" Did we also conveniently miss that? David, if you cannot contribute to this discussion, you are achieving no purpose in being here.
Talk about 3rd grade rudeness. I was addressing a direct statement made that was wrong.
I was addressing blanket statements with no support from an unskeptical person. If you wish to be as Henny Penny (a 3rd grade reference you’ll understand) then go ahead. But you won’t convince me the sky is falling. — David J. Vorous Dyslexics of the world UNTIE! http://users.aimnet.com/~dvorous/
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First of all, we’re definitely starting off on a bad foot, the name used was "spanky" which is my husband’s nickname not my own and I do not appreciate the 3-rd grade rudeness you seem to want to start this post off with further….
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … Just because there is "tons" of info does not mean that that info is reliable or true. There is quite a bit written about astrology and not one bit of it is true! There’s "tons" of stuff on the Bermuda Triangle, but when you start looking deeper you’ll find that it’s all based on hear say, anecdotes, and nothing substantial. If you check into this satanic stuff, you’ll find it to be bogus. Except for the fact that the bodies remain dead, mutliated. And it’s really convenient that there’s no bodies. No crime reports. No nothing, except for a few paragraphs in a newspaper or book talking about what someone said. For instance, in the Matamoros murders when Mark Kilroy was abducted, they dismembered him cut out his heart, genitals and intestines for a "sacrifice stew" and guess what, his family still grieves and do other families who have experience the touch or this horrid crime. Any police reports. Have you, or anyone else, looked for any kind of supporting evidence that this incident ever happened? Did you call the Matamoros sheriff?
Why the heck would I call the Matamoros sheriff when I was living there and the information was everywhere! Has you bothered to do 60 seconds worth of research on the net? There are dozens and dozens of articles, books, case studies, interviews, pictures and eveything else. Sorry, but for some reason the mind of a child (at the time) is just not ready to watched law enforcement officers excavated a few dozen dead, decomposing, dismebered bodies. Go figure. Are you completely blind or just want to claim yet another set of facts are false because you choose not to believe? Whether or not you believe it to be "bogus" makes no difference — ask any police officer, FBI agent or Occult Crime Investigation Unit officer and you will find that these cases (althought the REAL ones are few), they do happen. Bethany I’m not saying this NEVER happens. Ask those you just named and they’ll tell you it’s pretty rare. You’ll also find that most of those "Occult Crime Investigation Units" are no longer functioning; they investigated and found nothing.
Excuse me, but the quote was that there was not one documented true case of this happening! I never said that this was a frequent occurance, in fact in my own words above I SAID "(although the real ones are few)" Did we also conveniently miss that? David, if you cannot contribute to this discussion, you are achieving no purpose in being here. I was addressing a direct statement made that was wrong. I’m sure any opinion out there can be found to be contested by others, but unfortunately there are pictures, interviews, morgue records and police files to document I’m correct. Also, there are still Occult Crime Investigation Units in most "occult saturated areas" eg Florida, Massachesetts, Pennsylvania, Texas, California, etc. The cases that do merit investigation are often deemed false, that is correct, however there are also many documented "real" cases. But, I guess I’ll just agree to disagree with you on this one. Thanks for….uh….contributing. Bethany – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – David J. Vorous Dyslexics of the world UNTIE! http://users.aimnet.com/~dvorous/
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ROFL, Baptists, give me a break what could you possibly do except qoute the Bible erroneously like all your fundie brothers. Pax
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thusly: Keep worshipping that book like a good fundie. In the mean time we will continue to be Christ’s Church based in the truth handed from the beginning. Pax Continue on, then, being deceived, PP —- that’s your prerogative. Just don’t expect people in CHRISTIAN newsgroups like alt.religion.christian.baptist to allow you to deceive people in here. We won’t stand idly by and allow it. The only Christians in alt.religion.christian.baptist are the Catholics who go there to save souls. Deceived Baptists? Talk about redundant!
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… Just because there is "tons" of info does not mean that that info is reliable or true. There is quite a bit written about astrology and not one bit of it is true! There’s "tons" of stuff on the Bermuda Triangle, but when you start looking deeper you’ll find that it’s all based on hear say, anecdotes, and nothing substantial. If you check into this satanic stuff, you’ll find it to be bogus. Except for the fact that the bodies remain dead, mutliated.
And it’s really convenient that there’s no bodies. No crime reports. No nothing, except for a few paragraphs in a newspaper or book talking about what someone said. For instance, in the Matamoros murders when Mark Kilroy was abducted, they dismembered him cut out his heart, genitals and intestines for a "sacrifice stew" and guess what, his family still grieves and do other families who have experience the touch or this horrid crime.
Any police reports. Have you, or anyone else, looked for any kind of supporting evidence that this incident ever happened? Did you call the Matamoros sheriff? Whether or not you believe it to be "bogus" makes no difference — ask any police officer, FBI agent or Occult Crime Investigation Unit officer and you will find that these cases (althought the REAL ones are few), they do happen. Bethany
I’m not saying this NEVER happens. Ask those you just named and they’ll tell you it’s pretty rare. You’ll also find that most of those "Occult Crime Investigation Units" are no longer functioning; they investigated and found nothing. —
David J. Vorous Dyslexics of the world UNTIE! http://users.aimnet.com/~dvorous/
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When you can prove this without misinterpreting and massacring scripture perhaps we will listen. Something other than your beliefs would be nice as well. Pax
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thusly: or perhaps you can pull your head out of your ass. Pax The teachings on Mary-Idolatry emanating from the halls of Roman Catholicism have not been distorted. They have simply been exposed as heresy when compared with the Light and Truth from God’s Word, the Bible. If all you can do, "Pax" (some ‘peace!!’– that’s a laugh–) is try to insult everyone who disagrees with your distorted view of Christianity, you merely display to the world your utter disregard for others, your deceit, conceit, and lack of education. It’s highly obvious that your argument is weak at the outset. "Friends are God’s way of taking care of us." Please help support the hungry: go to http://www.thehungersite.com
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Puck, You couldn’t have searched very well, I founds LOADS of info on Satanic crimes and Ritualistic murders: [snip] There is literally TONS of information on this stuff if you choose to actually look. Just because there is "tons" of info does not mean that that info is reliable or true. There is quite a bit written about astrology and not one bit of it is true! There’s "tons" of stuff on the Bermuda Triangle, but when you start looking deeper you’ll find that it’s all based on hear say, anecdotes, and nothing substantial. If you check into this satanic stuff, you’ll find it to be bogus.
Except for the fact that the bodies remain dead, mutliated. For instance, in the Matamoros murders when Mark Kilroy was abducted, they dismembered him cut out his heart, genitals and intestines for a "sacrifice stew" and guess what, his family still grieves and do other families who have experience the touch or this horrid crime. Whether or not you believe it to be "bogus" makes no difference — ask any police officer, FBI agent or Occult Crime Investigation Unit officer and you will find that these cases (althought the REAL ones are few), they do happen. Bethany – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — David J. Vorous Dyslexics of the world UNTIE! http://users.aimnet.com/~dvorous/
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No Greater Love??. Christians have fun when they go Gay Bashing or Ethnic Cleansing or like old times when they heard GODS voice calling that witches " must not suffer to live". Many women were staked I beleave to fulfill the Old Testament scriptures, did the stench of burning flesh make the crowds "happy", or was it a human sacrifice to our GOD. "Stone the Adultress", it is still practiced. Jesus said, "Ye who have no sin cast the first stone". Did Jesus want to stop this human offering?.Did Jesus want us to be human in nature?. Love your enemy?, surly the homosexual is a Christian enemy, the abortionist, are they our enemies, they kill unborn children. "thou shalt not kill". Love your enemies?, what madness does Jesus teach?. We will never know, no one will follow our SAVIOUR, saviour to the sinners, are abortionist sinners?, are Gays sinners, ethnic cleansing?, how many bodies are still laying in unmarked graves because of ethnic cleansing?. What does Jesus want from us?. — Jonathan R Dooling – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thusly: The Living New Testament. strange version, then.– I double-checked in my own library here, and I also have a copy of that—- developed by the editors of Campus Life Magazine, for Youth for Christ International….published by Tyndale… Now– re-checking these verses—– it actually reads: Gal 5:22 But when the Holy Spirit controls our lives He will produce this kind of fruit in us…..love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness; AGAIN, you are misleading people, and merely adding your own words. You have once again been proven incorrect. People here seek Christian TRUTHS— not made-up tales to suit individual fancy or fantasy. Kindly stop leading innocent seekers astray. We ARE NOT to take away or add to the Scriptures, by God/s command. LEARN THAT. Elaine "Friends are God’s way of taking care of us." Please help support the hungry: go to http://www.thehungersite.com
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Hey Puck, You couldn’t have searched very well, I founds LOADS of info on Satanic crimes and Ritualistic murders: [snip] There is literally TONS of information on this stuff if you choose to actually look.
Just because there is "tons" of info does not mean that that info is reliable or true. There is quite a bit written about astrology and not one bit of it is true! There’s "tons" of stuff on the Bermuda Triangle, but when you start looking deeper you’ll find that it’s all based on hear say, anecdotes, and nothing substantial. If you check into this satanic stuff, you’ll find it to be bogus. — David J. Vorous Dyslexics of the world UNTIE! http://users.aimnet.com/~dvorous/
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: The teachings on Mary-Idolatry emanating from the halls of Roman Catholicism : have not been distorted. They have simply been exposed as heresy when compared : with the Light and Truth from God’s Word, the Bible. I admit it! I idoolize Mary Tyler Moore! Brad
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thusly: Keep worshipping that book like a good fundie. In the mean time we will continue to be Christ’s Church based in the truth handed from the beginning. Pax Continue on, then, being deceived, PP —- that’s your prerogative. Just don’t expect people in CHRISTIAN newsgroups like alt.religion.christian.baptist to allow you to deceive people in here. We won’t stand idly by and allow it.
The only Christians in alt.religion.christian.baptist are the Catholics who go there to save souls. Deceived Baptists? Talk about redundant!
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or perhaps you can pull your head out of your ass. Pax – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A TRIBUTE TO MARY Our whole teachings have been distorted to comply with a celebated religion, no wonder we are unloved, sick and depraved. The teachings on Mary-Idolatry emanating from the halls of Roman Catholicism have not been distorted. They have simply been exposed as heresy when compared with the Light and Truth from God’s Word, the Bible. These are the sayings of the living Jesus recorded by Thomas who is called Didymus. The spurious and fallacious writings you refer to are not recognized by the Church as being authentic or inspired by God. The deuterocanonical fiction of Rome is not a valid reference source for any authenticity for the teachings of Christ. You should refrain from citing Romish error. Purchase for yourself a copy of the Bible which has not been tainted by the error of Rome.
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Keep worshipping that book like a good fundie. In the mean time we will continue to be Christ’s Church based in the truth handed from the beginning. Pax
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thusly: A TRIBUTE TO MARY The teachings on Mary-Idolatry emanating from the halls of Roman Catholicism have not been distorted. They have simply been exposed as heresy when compared with the Light and Truth from God’s Word, the Bible. These are the sayings of the living Jesus recorded by Thomas who is called Didymus. The spurious and fallacious writings you refer to are not recognized by the Church as being authentic or inspired by God. The deuterocanonical
fiction of Rome is not a valid reference source for any authenticity for the teachings of Christ. You should refrain from citing Romish error. Purchase for yourself a copy of the Bible which has not been tainted by the error of Rome. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I rather tend to think we won’t be hearing much more from ‘Jonathan’ — he’s been proven incorrect on all counts by several of us– Elaine "Friends are God’s way of taking care of us." Please help support the hungry: go to http://www.thehungersite.com
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What does Jesus want from us?.
According to the Church Jesus wants a ten percent cut of our gross income.
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Hey Puck, You couldn’t have searched very well, I founds LOADS of info on Satanic crimes and Ritualistic murders: 1. Raising Hell — An Encyclopedia of Devil Worship & Satanic Crime – Michael Newton. 1993 Avon Books 2. Satanism: Crimewave of the 90’s, Carol White. 1990 3. The Encyclopedia of Modren Murder, Colin Wilson. 1988 4. The Franklin Cover-Up Child Abuse, Satanism and Murder in Nebraska, John W. DeCamp. 5. Cults That Kill: Probing the WOrld of Occult Crime, L. Kahner 6. The New Satanists, Linda Osborn Blood 7. ****Hell Ranch – Nightmare of Voodoo, Drugs and Death in Matamoros, Clifford L. Linedecker (Hmmm, could swear someone referenced this one?) There is literally TONS of information on this stuff if you choose to actually look. Bethany
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alt.religion.christian.adventist are keen to maintain an environment which is accepting of a wide range of people, however this can only be achieved within the dynamics of its genus and identity as a self moderating religious discussion group. You have previously been advised that your cross posting operates outside our discussion group’s ethos and practice of belief. We have taken the liberty to delete alt.religion.christian.adventist from the discussion distribution list. Thank-you for your accommodation in the matter. – dolf boek alt.religion.christian.adventist
What does Jesus want from us?. [snipped for context]
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More fundie troll poop Pax <big snip
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The Living New Testament. — Jonathan R Dooling – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – thusly: RE: A TRIBUTE TO MARY. GALATIONS 5 :22. But when the Mother controls our lives she will produce this kind of fruit in us, Love, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfullness, Gentleness, and self control, and here there is no conflict with Jewish Laws. Another rendering of your own, and again, totally unsupported by Scripture. Galatians 5:22 reads: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, (KJV) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, Again—– WHERE do you find ‘your interpretation’ in this? Stop misleading people. "Friends are God’s way of taking care of us." Please help support the hungry: go to http://www.thehungersite.com
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Dear Jonathon, I refer to your post of 12/04/1999 to alt.religion.christian.adventist, where you characteristically assert a non-Hebraic/Christian representation of the Egyptian/Greek derived Hermetic Philosophical perspective of the Holy Trinity as: "The Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Mother. Simon was accused of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, because he introduced it as the "Holy Spiritus, the Mens ( Intelligence), or the mother of all". But we find the same expression used in the book of Enoch, in which, in contradiction to the "Son of man", he says "Son of woman". In the Codex of the Nazarenes, and in the Zohar, as well in the books of Hermes, the expression is usual; and even in the apocryphal Evangelium of Hebrews we read Jesus himself admitted the sex of the Holy Ghost by using the expression, "My Mother, the Holy Pneuma" Shortly after the crucifixion, a Pharisee named Arimanios, said to the apostle John, "Where has your Master gone now?". John withdraws to the mountain, his spirit is harassed by various problems, why was Jesus sent into the world by his Father?. Who is his Father?. What is the heaven like, to which we are going?. But the heavens open, out of it shines a vision, a transcendent entity appears, seemingly in the form of a young man, a woman and a old man, and declares to the apostle that it is at once the FATHER. the MOTHER and the SON. Jesus said, "He who blasphemed the Father will be forgiven and he who blasphemed the Son will be forgiven, but he who blasphemed the Holy Spirit Mother) will not be forgiven, either on earth or in heaven". Galations 5:5. But we by the help of the Mother are counting on Her Sons death to clear away our sins and make it right with the Father. Galations 5:22. But when the Mother controls our lives she will produce this kind of fruit in us, Love, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfullness, Gentleness, and Selfcontrol, and here there is no conflict with Jewish Laws." [Personality 4 December, 1999] Since your post concerns issues of necessity for ancestral [hymeneal] based religions, we wonder why you feel it particularly relevant to include references to Seventh-day Sabbath Keepers? Even the Catholic scholars agree, that "the Intellectual opponents of Christianity laid stress upon its desertion of the ancestral [hymeneal] religion." [Dr Edwin Hatch (c. 1895) Reprinted 1995, The Influence of Greek Ideas & Usages Upon The Christian Church, p 21] Consequently, we have deleted alt.religion.christian.adventist from this discussion thread. Thank-you for accommodating the spiritual needs of alt.religion.christian.adventist. – dolf boek alt.religion.christian.adventist
A TRIBUTE TO MARY. Our whole teachings have been distorted to comply with a celebated religion, no wonder we are unloved, sick and depraved. [snipped for context]
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A TRIBUTE TO MARY Our whole teachings have been distorted to comply with a celebated religion, no wonder we are unloved, sick and depraved. The teachings on Mary-Idolatry emanating from the halls of Roman Catholicism have not been distorted. They have simply been exposed as heresy when compared with the Light and Truth from God’s Word, the Bible. These are the sayings of the living Jesus recorded by Thomas who is called Didymus. The spurious and fallacious writings you refer to are not recognized by the Church as being authentic or inspired by God. The deuterocanonical fiction of Rome is not a valid reference source for any authenticity for the teachings of Christ. You should refrain from citing Romish error. Purchase for yourself a copy of the Bible which has not been tainted by the error of Rome.
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A TRIBUTE TO MARY. Our whole teachings have been distorted to comply with a celebated religion, no wonder we are unloved, sick and depraved. These are the sayings of the living Jesus recorded by Thomas who is called Didymus. Jesus saith unto Her, yea, Mary for this one ( sick, hungry, naked ) I have a special love, but my heart grevieth for evey soul who cometh not unto the light. My heart is heavy when I consider the weight of all mankind resting upon me. Mary saith unto Him, Lord I will help thee bear the weight. Jesus saith, yea, Mary we shall lift up oneanother, that we may bear all things. The Church has rejected these sayings?. Firstly to keep women out of the Priesthood. Secondly, Men are Holy who keep away from women ???.1 Samuel 21: 4. God and His prophets had a strong urge to punish Hebrew women for thier sensuality, vivacy and autonomy under the Goddess. Here is one of many such passages, from Isaiah 3: 16-17. Moreover the Lord saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty and walk with streched forth necks and wanton eyes,ect, ect. The companion of the Saviour is Mary Magdelene. But Christ loved Her more than all the disciples, and used to kiss Her often on the mouth. The rest of the disciples were offended, They said to Him, why do you love Her more than all of us?. The Saviour answered and said to them, "why do I NOT love you as I love Her ?. Protestants have rejected Mary. Like the judges and prophets of Old Testement stories repeatedly call for Her ( Goddess ) destuction. Their diatribes suggest that the Hebrews, often thought to be a homogeneous group, were actually a combination of roving tribes and settled cities, only some of whom were willing to adopt one Sky God over the Mother of All Baalim or Gods. The judge Jeremiah, for example records the Hebrew womans rage and sorrow against the suppression of worship of their Guiding star. They take to the streets, shouting, famine and want have followed Her cancellation they chant. But Jeremiah, fist raised admonishes them that the real cause of the current agricultural disaster is the peoples refusal to worship Yahweh. The story clearly suggests that natural calamity abetted the repression of the Goddess, both by physicaly weakening Her worshipers and by creating in them the psychology of despair that can so easily shift allegiance. The children of Israel had built shrines to the Queen of Heaven in city towers, on hills, in groves and under every green tree. But Yahweh worshiping Hebrews invaded their neighbors under orders from their Lord to "Utterly destroy all the places, to break in pieces the images and cut down groves and fill those places with the bones of men". Deutteronomy 12: 2-3, Kings 23: 14. Orthodox Jews are blinded by the Laws, but not the Kabalist. Man then binds himself to the Female just as the male cleaves to the female in a physical sense. The female is the DIVINE Presence (Shekhinah ). This binding is the ultimate delight of the world to come, and it is thus taught "In the world to come the righteous will sit with their crowns on their heads, delighting in the radiance of the MOTHER". Berakhot 17a. To lead the Shekhinah back to Her Master, to unite Her with Him, is in one way or other the true purpose of the Torah. The fulfilment of each and every commandment was to be accompanied by a formula declaring that this was done "For the sake of uniting the Holy One, praised be He and the Shekhinah out of fear and love". Shortly after the crucifixion a Pharisee named Arimanios said to the apostle John, "Where has your Master gone now?". John withdraws to the mountain his spirit is harassed by various problems, why was Jesus sent into the world by his Father?. Who is his Father?. What is the heaven like to which we are going?. But the heavens open out of it shines a vision, a transcendent entity appears, seemingly in the form of a young man, a woman and a old man, and declares to the apostle that it is at once the Father the Mother and the Son. Simon was acused of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, because he introduced it as the "Holy Spiritus ( Intelligence ) or the mother of all". But we find the same expression used in the book of Enoch in which, in contradiction to the "Son of man", he says "Son of woman". In the Codex of the Nazarenes, and in the Zohar, as well in the books of Hermes we read Jesus himself admitted the sex of the Holy Ghost by using the expression, "My Mother the Holy Pneuma". Simon Magnus?. Simon laying his face upon the ground wispered in Her ear, "Oh Mother give me I pray thee, some of thy breath and I will give thee mine, let me lose, Oh Mother, that I may carry thy words to the stars and I will return faithfully to thee after awile". and the Mother, strengthning her status, none to her detriment, sent her genius to beath of her breath on Simon, while he breathed on her, and the stars rejoiced to be visited by the "Mighty One". Revelations 12: 13. As long as we deny the Mother we are helping the Devil to persecute the WOMAN. Revelations 12: 14."But she was given two wings like those of a great eagle, to fly into the wilderness to the place prepared for her". Magna Dea, our Mother was enshrined in the sacred Black Stone, the Kaaba at Mecca, where she was served in ancient times by Her priestess. The sacred Black Stone at Mecca, site of so many pilgrimages, is imprinted with Her Vulva-Yoni sign, and is covered with a black pall called "The skirt of Kaaba". The male priests that serve Her today are called Beni Shaybah, which mean "The Sons of the Old Woman". Present day Muslim pilgrims to the shrine, the most Holy place of all Islam , are mostly unaware of the pre-Islamic significance of the Kaaba. Jesus said,"He who blasphemed the Father will be forgiven and he who blasphemed the Son will be forgiven, but he who blasphemed the Holy Spirit ( MOTHER ) will not be forgiven, either on earth or in heaven". GALATIONS 5 :5. But we by the help of the Mother are counting on Her Sons death to clear away our sins and make it right with the Father. GALATIONS 5 :22. But when the Mother controls our lives she will produce this kind of fruit in us, Love, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfullness, Gentleness, and self control, and here there is no conflict with Jewish Laws. — Jonathan R Dooling
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