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Do you have any scriptures on exorcism to get me started.  I have read some of the exorcisms of Jesus and the apostles, but can’t think of any in the Old Testament.

I don’t have a list.  If you have a concordance, or if you can use a concordance on a web site, you could look up ‘unclean spirit’ in the KJV.  Most references are in the Gospels.  Also, Peter mentions Jesus ministry to those who were oppressed by the Devil in Acts 10.  The later chapters of Acts tell about Paul performing an excorcism in Philipi.  There are a few examples of excorcism when paul was in Ephesus in the Roman province of Asia in Acts as well.  Is there a particular aspect of the subject you want to learn about? Yeah, I don’t want to read her book after your information about it, but I think I saw in the 1611 that the princes in Daniel’s 70 weeks were originally capitallized differently.  I hadn’t known that the Greek didn’t have a capitalization distinction.  What about the Old Testament writers?

Greek does have capitalization now, but ancient Greek is ‘all caps,’ so to speak.  (Of course, they weren’t caps then, since they didn’t have lower case letters to compare them with.) I took just one quarter of Hebrew in college, and I’ve never heard of such a thing as a capitalized classical Hebrew letter.  I really don’t htink they have capitals.  They didn’t even have vowel markings in the Hebrew Bible until maybe the 300’s– AD that is.  That accounts for James alternate interpretation of the book of Amos in Acts 15– part of it anyway.  James apparently interpreted a word to be ‘Adam’ or mankind or nations, instead of ‘Edom.’  The KJV of the OT goes with Edom, because of the later vowel pointings.  Maybe the ambiguity is there on purpose for a prophetic reason. I think all are capitalization and punction are added by translators. I think we need to be careful to get our doctrine about demons from scripture, and not add to it.  Some doctrines about demons have no real basis in scripture.  Sometimes, those who teach their doctrines take scriptures out of context.  I’ve heard teachings that we are supposed to order principalities and powers over cities to come down. I don’t see that in the Bible.  I do see warnings in the book of Jude, like verse 9.  In the Bible, Jesus and the apostles cast demons out of people, not out of cities.  If we can cast out all the spirits from a city, won’t they come back with seven times as many reinforcements. I don’t see any teaching in the Bible telling us to ‘bind’ spirits. Jesus used ‘binding’ the strongman as an allegory for what He was doing by _casting demons out of people_, and maybe some other ministry he was doing.  ’Binding and loosing’ is apparently legal terminology that the Sanhedrin used to refer to when they allowed or forbid something. Some people blame everything on demons.  If someone is an alcoholic, they interpret this to mean he has a ’spirit of drunkeness’ or a ’spirit of alcoholism.’  If someone is sick, that person is believed to have a demon spirit. I believe demons can cause sickness. Some sickenesses in the Gospel were caused by spirits.  But the end of Matthew 4 says that Jesus cast out demons, healed the ‘lunatick’ (sorry, KJV English) and healed them that had diseases.  That indicates to me that not all sickness or mental illness is caused by an indwelling demon. If character flaws and sins get classified as ‘demons’ it makes it hard for someone with this mentality to overcome sin.  Instead of learning to put to death the deeds of the flesh, and accept by faith that he is dead and raised with Christ, the person who believes all sin is caused by demons may just spend all his time blaiming his sin on imaginary demons he rebukes, instead of focusing on overcoming the lusts of the flesh by the power of the Spirit. ‘Deliverance ministry’ may help some people who are bound in sin.  But I sure don’t think it is a cure all.

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Do you have any scriptures on exorcism to get me started.  I have read some of the exorcisms of Jesus and the apostles, but can’t think of any in the Old Testament. Yeah, I don’t want to read her book after your information about it, but I think I saw in the 1611 that the princes in Daniel’s 70 weeks were originally capitallized differently.  I hadn’t known that the Greek didn’t have a capitalization distinction.  What about the Old Testament writers? God Bless you in the beautiful name of Jesus.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –      I need information about Rebecca Brown, Elaine a.k.a. Elaine Moses, and Daniel Yoder other than what is already on the Internet (Drugs, demons, delusions), demonbuster.com, answers.org. We are trying to find out if this woman REALLY is a Satanist and if her books are truly Satanic. If anyone knows VALID information about this situation please post it or e-mail us at (remove the "NO SPAM") I looked up her web site a few months ago.  She was on the web, and her email is posted. I encourage people not to read her books.  I read maybe one and a half of them in my early 20’s.  I had trouble sleeping, especially after reading the part about if you relax your mind, demons can influence you.  Her books can cause trouble, particularly if you believe everything she writes.  I have read on the internet and talked with other people have had difficulty sleeping after reading Rebecca Brown’s books.  I think the reason is because they make the Devil out to be so big, and Christians’ power seem so small. One question I had somewhere along the way is, why is she writing this book? Wouldn’t it be better if someone who could cast out demons right away, without having to fight with them for a week like she did wrote a book?  There are plenty of books out there on demonology that are a lot better and a lot more Biblical. I don’t have any reason to believe that Rebecca Brown is a witch.  I do have plenty of reason to believe that her books promote unbiblical doctrine.  If her books are all true and accurate, and assuming that Ellen were telling the truth, she is getting her demonology of the spirit-world from a former high priests demonic experience.  Demonic visions are no basis for Christian doctrine on demonology. For example, Brown’s idea that we have ’spirit bodies’ that can leave our bodies, if empowered by demons, and go throw plates at our enemies in their apartments, is not based on scripture.  She takes a verse out of context which is about the way Christian’s bodies will be IN THE RESURRECTION and uses this as a proof text for the idea of spirit-bodies.  Just look up all the scriptures she uses to ‘prove’ her doctrines in those early books. Assuming Rebecca Brown as sincere and genuine, why should she believe anything she ‘learned’ from Ellen about the spirit-world.  How do we know that her astral projection experiences weren’t just demonic visions, and not reality.  The story about one demon tearing another apart reminded me of that verse, if Satan cast out Satan, how can then his kingdom stand.  If demons don’t cast out demons, then would they tear each other apart?  This doesn’t make sense to me. If someone saw demons displaying such a thing, how do they know it is true?  Maybe the demons are just putting on a show for the witches to see, to intimidate them.  Maybe it was a made up story that Brown believed and put in her book.  A lot of Brown’s teachings on demonology in these books are based on Ellen’s experiences in the occult, and not on scripture. Some of her teachings have no merit to them unless you accept KJV onlyism.  She ‘proves’ things by whether the KJV uses a capital or small ’s’ in the word ’spirit.’  The Greek didn’t have a distinction between upper and lower case.  Some of her arguments about the existence of vampires and werewolves are not supported by the verses she quotes.  I don’t think her argument about ‘evil beasts’ verses wild beasts hold water.  Are there werewolves?  Honestly, I’m open to the idea of there being werewolves, as well as flying head witchdoctors (a local story here in Indonesia) and all kinds of demonic manifestations.  I’m a bit skeptical.  But if Egyptian magicians could turn sticks into snakes, maybe demons can manipulate matter.  Who knows?  But I don’t see any reason to read vampires into David’s statement that his enemies teeth were like spears. Her books teach a lot of things that aren’t backed up by scripture. Some of the scripture she uses is clearly taken out of context.  The dangerous thing is that some of the scriptures are taken out of context to support an unbiblical idea that actually comes from the percieved experience of a allegedly formerly demonized high priestess witch.  Assuming the high priestess didn’t also have a problem with lying when she told her experiences, how reliable are her experiences?  Are the visions demonized people see always more reliable than what people see on acid trips? I haven’t read her book about being a vessel of honor in the Master’s service.  The book has a great title, but I’ve only looked through it a couple of times.  It seems to have a lot of detail about how to do witchcraft in it.  How many people really need to know this?  I read an Indonesian translation of one part that said that if someone’s hand gets a demon in it (and therefore feels like it is burning) that you MUST anoint the hand in a very particular way, which involves kind of like wringing the hand downward toward the fingers, covering it with oil.  The implication is that if you don’t do it, the problem would remain. I don’t know of any scripture at all about anointing the demonized with oil.   Assuming we accept the idea of ‘demon-possessed’ hands that feel like they are on fire, why would we HAVE to anoint the hand in that particular way?  COuldn’t someone just cast the demon out by commanding it to go in faith like the apostles in the Bible?  If demons could only be cast out of hands with that specific method of deliverance, why doesn’t the Bible tell us this.  This is pretty important information for people with demonized burning hands. I don’t think you need to go to websites that accuse Brown of being a witch.  Why even pursue this line of reasoning?  If you know someone who is reading Rebecca Brown books, just study her teachings on demonology based on scripture.  Ask as you study whether the verses she uses are taken out of context.  Ask this question too:  does the doctrine she teach come from the Bible, or from the experience of a witch. In the meantime, if whoever is reading this book wants to learn about demonology, carefully look for a book that is consistent with what the Bible has to say– not just the hottest sensational book in the Christian book store.  It would help to get a book from someone who can cast demons out with power.  I can understand how it would be frustrating to get ‘played around with’ by demons in a perons you are trying to help.  But  this is not good experience to write about with the implication that other people should imitate you.  There are probably some better books out there.  The Bible, of course, is an excellent resource.  A lot of people would be better off looking up all the cases and teachings on excorcism in the Bible, rather than buying popular books on the subject from a Christian book store.

Response:

     I need information about Rebecca Brown, Elaine a.k.a. Elaine Moses, and Daniel Yoder other than what is already on the Internet (Drugs, demons, delusions), demonbuster.com, answers.org. We are trying to find out if this woman REALLY is a Satanist and if her books are truly Satanic. If anyone knows VALID information about this situation please post it or e-mail us at (remove the "NO SPAM")

I looked up her web site a few months ago.  She was on the web, and her email is posted. I encourage people not to read her books.  I read maybe one and a half of them in my early 20’s.  I had trouble sleeping, especially after reading the part about if you relax your mind, demons can influence you.  Her books can cause trouble, particularly if you believe everything she writes.  I have read on the internet and talked with other people have had difficulty sleeping after reading Rebecca Brown’s books.  I think the reason is because they make the Devil out to be so big, and Christians’ power seem so small. One question I had somewhere along the way is, why is she writing this book? Wouldn’t it be better if someone who could cast out demons right away, without having to fight with them for a week like she did wrote a book?  There are plenty of books out there on demonology that are a lot better and a lot more Biblical. I don’t have any reason to believe that Rebecca Brown is a witch.  I do have plenty of reason to believe that her books promote unbiblical doctrine.  If her books are all true and accurate, and assuming that Ellen were telling the truth, she is getting her demonology of the spirit-world from a former high priests demonic experience.  Demonic visions are no basis for Christian doctrine on demonology. For example, Brown’s idea that we have ’spirit bodies’ that can leave our bodies, if empowered by demons, and go throw plates at our enemies in their apartments, is not based on scripture.  She takes a verse out of context which is about the way Christian’s bodies will be IN THE RESURRECTION and uses this as a proof text for the idea of spirit-bodies.  Just look up all the scriptures she uses to ‘prove’ her doctrines in those early books. Assuming Rebecca Brown as sincere and genuine, why should she believe anything she ‘learned’ from Ellen about the spirit-world.  How do we know that her astral projection experiences weren’t just demonic visions, and not reality.  The story about one demon tearing another apart reminded me of that verse, if Satan cast out Satan, how can then his kingdom stand.  If demons don’t cast out demons, then would they tear each other apart?  This doesn’t make sense to me. If someone saw demons displaying such a thing, how do they know it is true?  Maybe the demons are just putting on a show for the witches to see, to intimidate them.  Maybe it was a made up story that Brown believed and put in her book.  A lot of Brown’s teachings on demonology in these books are based on Ellen’s experiences in the occult, and not on scripture. Some of her teachings have no merit to them unless you accept KJV onlyism.  She ‘proves’ things by whether the KJV uses a capital or small ’s’ in the word ’spirit.’  The Greek didn’t have a distinction between upper and lower case.  Some of her arguments about the existence of vampires and werewolves are not supported by the verses she quotes.  I don’t think her argument about ‘evil beasts’ verses wild beasts hold water.  Are there werewolves?  Honestly, I’m open to the idea of there being werewolves, as well as flying head witchdoctors (a local story here in Indonesia) and all kinds of demonic manifestations.  I’m a bit skeptical.  But if Egyptian magicians could turn sticks into snakes, maybe demons can manipulate matter.  Who knows?  But I don’t see any reason to read vampires into David’s statement that his enemies teeth were like spears. Her books teach a lot of things that aren’t backed up by scripture. Some of the scripture she uses is clearly taken out of context.  The dangerous thing is that some of the scriptures are taken out of context to support an unbiblical idea that actually comes from the percieved experience of a allegedly formerly demonized high priestess witch.  Assuming the high priestess didn’t also have a problem with lying when she told her experiences, how reliable are her experiences?  Are the visions demonized people see always more reliable than what people see on acid trips? I haven’t read her book about being a vessel of honor in the Master’s service.  The book has a great title, but I’ve only looked through it a couple of times.  It seems to have a lot of detail about how to do witchcraft in it.  How many people really need to know this?  I read an Indonesian translation of one part that said that if someone’s hand gets a demon in it (and therefore feels like it is burning) that you MUST anoint the hand in a very particular way, which involves kind of like wringing the hand downward toward the fingers, covering it with oil.  The implication is that if you don’t do it, the problem would remain. I don’t know of any scripture at all about anointing the demonized with oil.   Assuming we accept the idea of ‘demon-possessed’ hands that feel like they are on fire, why would we HAVE to anoint the hand in that particular way?  COuldn’t someone just cast the demon out by commanding it to go in faith like the apostles in the Bible?  If demons could only be cast out of hands with that specific method of deliverance, why doesn’t the Bible tell us this.  This is pretty important information for people with demonized burning hands. I don’t think you need to go to websites that accuse Brown of being a witch.  Why even pursue this line of reasoning?  If you know someone who is reading Rebecca Brown books, just study her teachings on demonology based on scripture.  Ask as you study whether the verses she uses are taken out of context.  Ask this question too:  does the doctrine she teach come from the Bible, or from the experience of a witch. In the meantime, if whoever is reading this book wants to learn about demonology, carefully look for a book that is consistent with what the Bible has to say– not just the hottest sensational book in the Christian book store.  It would help to get a book from someone who can cast demons out with power.  I can understand how it would be frustrating to get ‘played around with’ by demons in a perons you are trying to help.  But  this is not good experience to write about with the implication that other people should imitate you.  There are probably some better books out there.  The Bible, of course, is an excellent resource.  A lot of people would be better off looking up all the cases and teachings on excorcism in the Bible, rather than buying popular books on the subject from a Christian book store.

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Dear christian brothers and sisters, Rebecca Brown M.D. has written at least four books: He Came to set the Captives Free Prepare for War Becoming a Vessel of Honor Unbroken Curses Her website is: http://www.harvestwarriors.com/      I need information about Rebecca Brown, Elaine a.k.a. Elaine Moses, and Daniel Yoder other than what is already on the Internet (Drugs, demons, delusions), demonbuster.com, answers.org. We are trying to find out if this woman REALLY is a Satanist and if her books are truly Satanic. If anyone knows VALID information about this situation please post it or e-mail us at (remove the "NO SPAM") God bless

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  I don’t know to much about her life and such but I have used her books as a help when I had a friend that was demon possessed or oppressed and the book she wrote was very helpful.       When the demons talked threw her they told us to get rid of to books the BIBLE and her Books that she wrote.       Scott May

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear christian brothers and sisters, Rebecca Brown M.D. has written at least four books: He Came to set the Captives Free Prepare for War Becoming a Vessel of Honor Unbroken Curses Her website is: http://www.harvestwarriors.com/      I need information about Rebecca Brown, Elaine a.k.a. Elaine Moses, and Daniel Yoder other than what is already on the Internet (Drugs, demons, delusions), demonbuster.com, answers.org. We are trying to find out if this woman REALLY is a Satanist and if her books are truly Satanic. If anyone knows VALID information about this situation please post it or e-mail us at (remove the "NO SPAM") God bless

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