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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rice) carved in granite… snip Technically there were elephants in the United States. They’re called mammoths. I beg to differ. Although closely related, mammoths were not elephants.
Family Elephantidae Out of the order Proboscidea, developed the family Elephantidae. Within this family, are the Asian elephant, African elephant, and the mammoth. Previous to these species however, were other closely related ancestors. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Of course they are also old enough that I doubt the nephites would have had any contact with them. In fact, several mammoths have been unearthed in the recent past. About 10-15 years back one was found just outside of Huntington, Utah. Another over by Price, Utah IIRC. I’m wanting to say a few were found over by Vernal, Utah as well. But I can’t say that’d be entirely accurate, either. Carl No Nephites 10K years ago, that’s true. Maybe there were pre-Nephites though.
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Although closely related, mammoths were not elephants. I wonder if they were the same species just different colors so to speak.
What is a "species"? Actually, no. Indian elephants are not even in the same genus as those of the Afrika Korps. The latter are _Loxodonta_ and the former are _Elephas_. They have been separated genetically a long time. The same for the Mammoth and Mastodon. Are mammoths and elephants as closely related as say horses and mules?
Nope… Horses are horses (except for Nephite horses which are imaginary) but mules are crosses between horses and donkeys. A stallion horse bred with a bitch donkey produces a(n) hinny but a bitch horse and a stallion donkey produce a mule. Asses are the intellectual descendants of Joseph Smith. Agkistrodon
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Technically there were elephants in the United States. They’re called mammoths. I beg to differ. Although closely related, mammoths were not elephants.
Mammoths are of genus Mammuthus. Woolly mammoth (M. primigenius) are of the same genus, I believe. Elephants (Elephas maximus and Loxodonta africana) I believe are also of the same genus. Mastodons are of the genus Mammut. Some where I have books that show the taxicology of the proboscidian mammals. — CAUTION: Reading these Scientology "secrets" will give you pneumonia: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html http://w4u.eexi.gr/~antbos/XENU.HTM ~~|;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;||’;-._.-;’^';||_.-;’^'0-|~~ O | Who Drowned the Judge’s Dog? | . . . . . . . ‘—-. 0 | O
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Book of Mormon is pretty stupid Woops! It looks like someone did a little research, found Snip & out that his mythologies actually does claim that elephants were in North America, and is now eating crow. Forcing cultists to actually __read__ their mythologies is step #1. How embarrasing for you, that you did not have the latest information & evidence of elephants in the Americas pre Columbus. Funny how these invisible elephants of yours aren’t known out in the real world. Are these invisible elephants of yours pink, by any chance? I refuse further debate with a person who belives elephants can become invisible. And you should think more about your preposterous suggestion of invisible pink elephants. How could the colour of the elephants be identified if they were invisible ?
You have to have faith that they’re pink. The same faith that’s needed to believe they existed in North America in the first place. I will consider further correspondance if you agree to desist from posting whilst intoxicated.
Or you could just accept that Solomon Spaulding or Joseph Smith — who ever actually wrote the Book of Mormon — simply thought that either mammoths were elephants or simply thought elephants were native to North America. — CAUTION: Reading these Scientology "secrets" will give you pneumonia: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html http://w4u.eexi.gr/~antbos/XENU.HTM ~~|;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;||’;-._.-;’^';||_.-;’^'0-|~~ O | Who Drowned the Judge’s Dog? | . . . . . . . ‘—-. 0 | O
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lots of blather about what mormon missionaries did or did not – deleted "Dear Educated Dumbass, "We wanted to share these papers we got off the internet with you. We know that you are a very intelligent man, but please take a look at them. They have proved that horses were in the Americas before the Spanish came in the 1490’s. This is where your story becomes unbeleivable and it becomes obvious you wrote it yourself.
Or you could call the telephone number the cultist wrote on his little postit notes and ask the "elder" cultist himself if he recalls writing a little love note that begins, "Dear educated dumbass." If you want to pretend that the Mormon cult doesn’t send these lame kooks out selling gods door-to-door unprepared to face better informed people than they’re normally used to seeing at church, you can call my bluff and give the poor dear a phone call. Be my guest. There is no way they would have said you were an intelligent man after you asked to see their underwear – any man that asks me that is very suspect.
<rofl! A lot of the neighborhood children also ask the Mormon cultists who float through the city of Glendora if they could see their magic underwear. The Mormons they meet on the street are good natured about it and there’s no animosity. In fact last October a number of the neighborhood children went out trick-or-treating dressed as Mormons wearing magic underwear. When I see these kooks out on their bikes, I always give them a cheerful wave and a, "Good morning, Elders!" If you can’t be amused by kooks, what’s the point of living? The fact is that these two cultists were going door-to-door trying to sell ignorance and superstition. They ran into someone who knows a bit about the flora and fauna of North America before the last Ice Age, and also has read the Book of Mormon any number of times — including previous versions that are quite different than the "real true absolutely inspired version this time I’m not kidding you" versions being sold by the kooks today. — CAUTION: Reading these Scientology "secrets" will give you pneumonia: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html http://w4u.eexi.gr/~antbos/XENU.HTM ~~|;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;||’;-._.-;’^';||_.-;’^'0-|~~ O | Who Drowned the Judge’s Dog? | . . . . . . . ‘—-. 0 | O
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Give it up, Carl. Mormonism is a FRAUD. Joseph Smith was a con-man, a liar, a control freak and a sex freak. Your founders were nutcases. Your religion is so silly, so stupid, so utterly idiotic it defies belief that any sentient human being would adhere to it. Look up to the sky, brother, take a deep breath and walk away from all that crap and nonsense. It’s a spiritual drug that has enslaved your being and impoverished your mind (and taken your money, too). Leave it and be free. Will
Will, I have left the LDS. I am not LDS in any way shape or form. While I agree with a lot of what you’re saying, I disagree about the church. Jesus was ridiculed and essentially proclaimed to be a criminal, was he not? Or did the romans execute just any Tom Dick and Harry on the cross? The current LDS *is* a fraud. It is not the LDS Joseph Smith brought to us. Only time the LDS made any real changes is when they did so by proclaiming it was commanded by God. Like in the late 1800s when they tossed aside polygamy. And in the 70s-80s when they allowed the children of Cain to accept the priesthood. They don’t seem to understand one really simple philosophy- God ain’t into politics, and He will make a change when He decides, and no one else. What is so hard to understand about that? Carl — "Volunteer emergency personel are like toilet paper- no one realizes how valuable they are until they’re needed." — Coalbunny —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – These two cultists were a minor exception since they ended up rabidly screaming insane nonsense about horses — a truly freakish, surrealistic turn of events utterly disconnected from what proceeded the ranting. They also ended their "discussion" with a threat which is also mirrored in the insane rant they snuck onto my door in the dead of night. Rabidly screaming insane nonsense about horses? I don’t think so!! Perhaps you were not aware that LDS missionaries have a curfew and must be in their residence in the, "dead of night". snip Woops! That really annoyed these two. Not only did the fat one turn red and apoplectic, both hopped off into the weeds and started ranting about horses, telling me that horses lived in North America long before they were reintroduced by the Spanish. Hopped into the weeds ranting? I believe you have an over active imagination. snip Eventually, after losing their undependable argument, these two started threatening my wife by claiming they were going to return when she was home alone. Sadly I made the mistake of telling them I was phoning the police and the two fled the neighborhood, disappearing quickly enough so that the police couldn’t apprehend them. If you knew even a little about the LDS belief in the rights of the husband as the head of the household, you would not of made such statement. NO LDS missionary would even think of issuing a threat at someone, little on actually doing so. That night, these two Mormons quietly snuck to my front door and set down an envelope containing hate mail — which I’ll get to in a moment. That hate mail was taken to the police department and inspected by the officer behind the counter. What state and town was this Police Department located so your claim can be substantiated? snip Here is the text of these Mormon’s freakish rant. A photocopy of the four post-its which these two wrote their hate rant on can be found at http://www.skeptictank.org/m.jpg Pehaps you could give a correct link to these notes. An amusing artifact came from a review of this hate rant by someone who has studied graphology — the study of discerning meaning, emotion, and personality traits from someone’s handwriting. After I forwarded a copy of the hate rant to a graphologist, he informed me that the person who wrote it was deeply depressed. __The Text of the Freakish Rant:__ Some of the handwriting had to be guessed at yet the poor spelling has been faithfully reproduced. What’s interesting is the exhibition of hatred, anger, and resentment which culminates in a series of freakish threats involving these Mormon’s invisible monsters. Could you give a Date when when these imaginary missionaries visited you and where this is supposed to have occured? I would like to add commentary after the cultists’ text: "Dear Educated Dumbass, "We wanted to share these papers we got off the internet with you. We know that you are a very intelligent man, but please take a look at them. They have proved that horses were in the Americas before the Spanish came in the 1490’s. This is soooo unbelievable, that it just reflects your ignorance of missionaries in the LDS church and their work. snip And where would the cultists’ debunked claims be without eventually having to launch freakishly occult threats against those who dare correct them? No __real__ Mormon would utter such silly threats but then no __real__ Mormon believes that elephants actually existed in North America before they were introduced by Europeans and the Spanish. Missionaries DO NOT issue freakish occult threats against anyone! Once again you are showing your ignorance. Another interesting aspect of this rant is the sarcastic claim to want to help me become as uneducated, illiterate, ignorant, superstitious, and as silly as he is. Now why would I want to become a Mormon when I can see what eventually happens to some followers’ humanity and honesty? I believe this is more hate talk, than reality. I have never heard of any missionary rant on anything. "We know you are full of a lot of hate. Anytime (sic) you feel like taking your hate out on us again, Please (sic) give us a call. — Goodday (sic) 852-0358 I haven’t bothered to call yet I believe that’s local to the 626 area code. It’s enough, I believe, that I forced these two cultists to learn what their mythologies actually say and forced them to learn the fact that elephants weren’t in North America when their mythologies claim they were. Perhaps you should have called ANY LDS church and reported what you thought to be bad behavior on the part of the missionaries.
But then he would have to invent a local ward and Bishop and possible even an imaginary Stake Pres, to go along with the missionaries he imagined or invented. And from what ive seen so far I dont think he is up to it. Greg An investigation would – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – have began immediately, but maybe you didn’t want an investiagtion as your false statments would have come out in the open. I don’t believe the police were ever involved as they would have contacted, at the very least, the missionaries themselves. I believe what you have told here is a bald face lie in an attempt to discredit the LDS missionaries that work very diligently at representing the LDS church. — William Barfieldsr
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carved in granite… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rice) carved in granite… snip Technically there were elephants in the United States. They’re called mammoths. I beg to differ. Although closely related, mammoths were not elephants.
I know that and you know that, but do you think that Joseph Smith knew that? How many actual scientists knew that back in "those days"? I doubt any did. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Of course they are also old enough that I doubt the nephites would have had any contact with them. In fact, several mammoths have been unearthed in the recent past. About 10-15 years back one was found just outside of Huntington, Utah. Another over by Price, Utah IIRC. I’m wanting to say a few were found over by Vernal, Utah as well. But I can’t say that’d be entirely accurate, either. Carl No Nephites 10K years ago, that’s true. Maybe there were pre-Nephites though.
Precisely. Carl — "Volunteer emergency personel are like toilet paper- no one realizes how valuable they are until they’re needed." — Coalbunny —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–
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Although closely related, mammoths were not elephants.
I wonder if they were the same species just different colors so to speak. Are mammoths and elephants as closely related as say horses and mules? — Absalom’s Iconoclastic Collection http://www.absalom.com/mormon
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lots of blather about what mormon missionaries did or did not – deleted "Dear Educated Dumbass, "We wanted to share these papers we got off the internet with you. We know that you are a very intelligent man, but please take a look at them. They have proved that horses were in the Americas before the Spanish came in the 1490’s.
This is where your story becomes unbeleivable and it becomes obvious you wrote it yourself. There is no way they would have said you were an intelligent man after you asked to see their underwear – any man that asks me that is very suspect.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – carved in granite… The Book of Mormon is pretty stupid Woops! It looks like someone did a little research, found Snip & out that his mythologies actually does claim that elephants were in North America, and is now eating crow. Forcing cultists to actually __read__ their mythologies is step #1. How embarrasing for you, that you did not have the latest information & evidence of elephants in the Americas pre Columbus. Funny how these invisible elephants of yours aren’t known out in the real world. Are these invisible elephants of yours pink, by any chance? Right. When you find verifiable evidence for these mysterious creatures, do let me and the rest of the world know about it. I’m sure archeologists would love a copy of the memo too. <smile Technically there were elephants in the United States. They’re called mammoths. Of course they are also old enough that I doubt the nephites would have had any contact with them. In fact, several mammoths have been unearthed in the recent past. About 10-15 years back one was found just outside of Huntington, Utah. Another over by Price, Utah IIRC. I’m wanting to say a few were found over by Vernal, Utah as well. But I can’t say that’d be entirely accurate, either.
Give it up, Carl. Mormonism is a FRAUD. Joseph Smith was a con-man, a liar, a control freak and a sex freak. Your founders were nutcases. Your religion is so silly, so stupid, so utterly idiotic it defies belief that any sentient human being would adhere to it. Look up to the sky, brother, take a deep breath and walk away from all that crap and nonsense. It’s a spiritual drug that has enslaved your being and impoverished your mind (and taken your money, too). Leave it and be free. Will
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – carved in granite… The Book of Mormon is pretty stupid Woops! It looks like someone did a little research, found Snip & out that his mythologies actually does claim that elephants were in North America, and is now eating crow. Forcing cultists to actually __read__ their mythologies is step #1. How embarrasing for you, that you did not have the latest information & evidence of elephants in the Americas pre Columbus. Funny how these invisible elephants of yours aren’t known out in the real world. Are these invisible elephants of yours pink, by any chance? Right. When you find verifiable evidence for these mysterious creatures, do let me and the rest of the world know about it. I’m sure archeologists would love a copy of the memo too. <smile Technically there were elephants in the United States. They’re called mammoths.
Technically — and specieswise — mammoths aren’t elephants. They’re a totally different species that didn’t interbreed successfully. Joseph Smith held the mistaken notion that mammoths and mastadons were some how the same species as elephants — Smith or Solomon Spaulding — because they look similar. (Spaulding apparently wrote the Book of Mormon’s first draft in a story titled, "Manuscript Found" a.k.a "Manuscript Story.") Interestingly enough, a mammoth was unearthed in almost complete full body remains from the Siberian tundra a number of years ago and it’s hoped that genetic tinkering will allow cells from the dead mammoth to be mixed with a live elephant to see if cell division will take place. If so, it will be a mule or a sport, a sterile hybrid or "an organism that shows a marked change from the normal type or parent stock." _That_ animal will be neither mammoth nor elephant, however. Half the haploid may or may not invoke cell division with the other half. As I recall, mammoths and elephants may be of the same genus. But Joseph Smith or Spaulding got it wrong. — CAUTION: Reading these Scientology "secrets" will give you pneumonia: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html http://w4u.eexi.gr/~antbos/XENU.HTM ~~|;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;||’;-._.-;’^';||_.-;’^'0-|~~ O | Who Drowned the Judge’s Dog? | . . . . . . . ‘—-. 0 | O
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carved in granite… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Book of Mormon is pretty stupid Woops! It looks like someone did a little research, found Snip & out that his mythologies actually does claim that elephants were in North America, and is now eating crow. Forcing cultists to actually __read__ their mythologies is step #1. How embarrasing for you, that you did not have the latest information & evidence of elephants in the Americas pre Columbus. Funny how these invisible elephants of yours aren’t known out in the real world. Are these invisible elephants of yours pink, by any chance? Right. When you find verifiable evidence for these mysterious creatures, do let me and the rest of the world know about it. I’m sure archeologists would love a copy of the memo too. <smile
Technically there were elephants in the United States. They’re called mammoths. Of course they are also old enough that I doubt the nephites would have had any contact with them. In fact, several mammoths have been unearthed in the recent past. About 10-15 years back one was found just outside of Huntington, Utah. Another over by Price, Utah IIRC. I’m wanting to say a few were found over by Vernal, Utah as well. But I can’t say that’d be entirely accurate, either. Carl — "Volunteer emergency personel are like toilet paper- no one realizes how valuable they are until they’re needed." — Coalbunny —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–
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The Book of Mormon is pretty stupid Woops! It looks like someone did
a little research, found Snip & out that his mythologies actually does claim that elephants were in North America, and is now eating crow. Forcing cultists to actually __read__ their mythologies is step #1. How embarrasing for you, that you did not have the latest information & evidence of elephants in the Americas pre Columbus. Funny how these invisible elephants of yours aren’t known out in the real world. Are these invisible elephants of yours pink, by any chance?
I refuse further debate with a person who belives elephants can become invisible. And you should think more about your preposterous suggestion of invisible pink elephants. How could the colour of the elephants be identified if they were invisible ? I will consider further correspondance if you agree to desist from posting whilst intoxicated. Greg (- : Right. When you find verifiable evidence for these mysterious creatures, do let me and the rest of the world know about it. I’m sure archeologists would love a copy of the memo too. <smile — CAUTION: Reading these Scientology "secrets" will give you pneumonia: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
http://w4u.eexi.gr/~antbos/XENU.HTM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ~~|;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;||’;-._.-;’^';||_.-;’^'0-|~~ O | Who Drowned the Judge’s Dog? | . . . . . . . ‘—-. 0 | O
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Book of Mormon is pretty stupid Woops! It looks like someone did a little research, found Snip & out that his mythologies actually does claim that elephants were in North America, and is now eating crow. Forcing cultists to actually __read__ their mythologies is step #1. How embarrasing for you, that you did not have the latest information & evidence of elephants in the Americas pre Columbus. Funny how these invisible elephants of yours aren’t known out in the real world. Are these invisible elephants of yours pink, by any chance? Right. When you find verifiable evidence for these mysterious creatures, do let me and the rest of the world know about it. I’m sure archeologists would love a copy of the memo too. <smile
Mammuthus primigenius Woolly mammoths are perhaps the best known mammals of the Ice Age. Much is known about their appearance because carcasses have been found preserved in frozen ground in Siberia, and wall pictures by stone-age artists can be seen today in ancient European caves. Woolly mammoths grew to about the size of present-day Asiatic elephants, possessed warm coats consisting of long, brown guard hairs and soft underwool, large curved ivory tusks, and knob-like heads. They once roamed the northern parts of Eurasia and North America, feeding on plants such as grasses, sedges, and shrubs. One of the best preserved Canadian specimens consists of most of an entire skeleton from Whitestone River in the Yukon Territory. It died there about 30,000 years ago, according to a radiocarbon date. Their thick coats and heavy layers of fat fitted them for life in cold, tundra-like conditions. Primitive hunters were sometimes successful in killing them for food. http://www.nature.ca/notebooks/english/woolly.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — CAUTION: Reading these Scientology "secrets" will give you pneumonia: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html http://w4u.eexi.gr/~antbos/XENU.HTM ~~|;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;||’;-._.-;’^';||_.-;’^'0-|~~ O | Who Drowned the Judge’s Dog? | . . . . . . . ‘—-. 0 | O
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Rice) carved in granite…
snip Technically there were elephants in the United States. They’re called
mammoths. I beg to differ. Although closely related, mammoths were not elephants. Of course they are also old enough that I doubt the nephites would have had any contact with them. In fact, several mammoths have been unearthed in the recent past. About 10-15 years back one was found just outside of Huntington, Utah. Another over by Price, Utah IIRC. I’m wanting to say a few were found over by Vernal, Utah as well. But I can’t say that’d be entirely accurate, either. Carl
No Nephites 10K years ago, that’s true. Maybe there were pre-Nephites though. — Regards, Lee the James, uM, feminist The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence–Thomas H. Huxley
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These two cultists were a minor exception since they ended up rabidly screaming insane nonsense about horses — a truly freakish, surrealistic turn of events utterly disconnected from what proceeded the ranting. They also ended their "discussion" with a threat which is also mirrored in the insane rant they snuck onto my door in the dead of night.
Rabidly screaming insane nonsense about horses? I don’t think so!! Perhaps you were not aware that LDS missionaries have a curfew and must be in their residence in the, "dead of night". snip Woops! That really annoyed these two. Not only did the fat one turn red and apoplectic, both hopped off into the weeds and started ranting about horses, telling me that horses lived in North America long before they were reintroduced by the Spanish.
Hopped into the weeds ranting? I believe you have an over active imagination. snip Eventually, after losing their undependable argument, these two started threatening my wife by claiming they were going to return when she was home alone. Sadly I made the mistake of telling them I was phoning the police and the two fled the neighborhood, disappearing quickly enough so that the police couldn’t apprehend them.
If you knew even a little about the LDS belief in the rights of the husband as the head of the household, you would not of made such statement. NO LDS missionary would even think of issuing a threat at someone, little on actually doing so. That night, these two Mormons quietly snuck to my front door and set down an envelope containing hate mail — which I’ll get to in a moment. That hate mail was taken to the police department and inspected by the officer behind the counter.
What state and town was this Police Department located so your claim can be substantiated? snip Here is the text of these Mormon’s freakish rant. A photocopy of the four post-its which these two wrote their hate rant on can be found at http://www.skeptictank.org/m.jpg
Pehaps you could give a correct link to these notes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – An amusing artifact came from a review of this hate rant by someone who has studied graphology — the study of discerning meaning, emotion, and personality traits from someone’s handwriting. After I forwarded a copy of the hate rant to a graphologist, he informed me that the person who wrote it was deeply depressed. __The Text of the Freakish Rant:__ Some of the handwriting had to be guessed at yet the poor spelling has been faithfully reproduced. What’s interesting is the exhibition of hatred, anger, and resentment which culminates in a series of freakish threats involving these Mormon’s invisible monsters.
Could you give a Date when when these imaginary missionaries visited you and where this is supposed to have occured? I would like to add commentary after the cultists’ text: "Dear Educated Dumbass, "We wanted to share these papers we got off the internet with you. We know that you are a very intelligent man, but please take a look at them. They have proved that horses were in the Americas before the Spanish came in the 1490’s.
This is soooo unbelievable, that it just reflects your ignorance of missionaries in the LDS church and their work. snip And where would the cultists’ debunked claims be without eventually having to launch freakishly occult threats against those who dare correct them? No __real__ Mormon would utter such silly threats but then no __real__ Mormon believes that elephants actually existed in North America before they were introduced by Europeans and the Spanish.
Missionaries DO NOT issue freakish occult threats against anyone! Once again you are showing your ignorance. Another interesting aspect of this rant is the sarcastic claim to want to help me become as uneducated, illiterate, ignorant, superstitious, and as silly as he is. Now why would I want to become a Mormon when I can see what eventually happens to some followers’ humanity and honesty?
I believe this is more hate talk, than reality. I have never heard of any missionary rant on anything. "We know you are full of a lot of hate. Anytime (sic) you feel like taking your hate out on us again, Please (sic) give us a call. — Goodday (sic) 852-0358 I haven’t bothered to call yet I believe that’s local to the 626 area code. It’s enough, I believe, that I forced these two cultists to learn what their mythologies actually say and forced them to learn the fact that elephants weren’t in North America when their mythologies claim they were.
Perhaps you should have called ANY LDS church and reported what you thought to be bad behavior on the part of the missionaries. An investigation would have began immediately, but maybe you didn’t want an investiagtion as your false statments would have come out in the open. I don’t believe the police were ever involved as they would have contacted, at the very least, the missionaries themselves. I believe what you have told here is a bald face lie in an attempt to discredit the LDS missionaries that work very diligently at representing the LDS church. — William Barfieldsr
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carved in granite… -snip- I agree. Give us the case numbers, investigating officer’s name, and which police department so this can be verified. As for you William, until it’s proven to be wrong, do NOT call it "imaginary". What about if we find it’s true? You ready to eat crow? No, you won’t. But, if it is proven to be true, I say you will owe Fred an apology. I have heard of these instances before. In fact, just a few months ago I personally witnessed a couple ofmissionaries here in town flip a drive the finger. Yes they were misionaris, yes their bishop heard of that from me and others, and I was less than 50 meters away when the fat one flipped the finger. AFAIC the guy that fat kid flipped off should have came back and broke the same damn finger. I would have. Carl — "Volunteer emergency personel are like toilet paper- no one realizes how valuable they are until they’re needed." — Coalbunny —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–
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The other morning I shot a mormon elephant in my pajamas…what a mormon was doing wearing my pajamas, I don’t know!
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These two cultists were a minor exception since they ended up rabidly screaming insane nonsense about horses — a truly freakish, surrealistic turn of events utterly disconnected from what proceeded the ranting. They also ended their "discussion" with a threat which is also mirrored in the insane rant they snuck onto my door in the dead of night. Rabidly screaming insane nonsense about horses? I don’t think so!!
Yes, the truth stung these clowns so badly that by the time they were trying to escape the found they had left all dignity behind… to the point the insane cultists had to sneak back during the dark of night. — CAUTION: Reading these Scientology "secrets" will give you pneumonia: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html http://w4u.eexi.gr/~antbos/XENU.HTM ~~|;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;||’;-._.-;’^';||_.-;’^'0-|~~ O | Who Drowned the Judge’s Dog? | . . . . . . . ‘—-. 0 | O
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The Book of Mormon is pretty stupid Woops! It looks like someone did a little research, found Snip & out that his mythologies actually does claim that elephants were in North America, and is now eating crow. Forcing cultists to actually __read__ their mythologies is step #1.
How embarrasing for you, that you did not have the latest information & evidence of elephants in the Americas pre Columbus. No wonder the poor missionaries were embarrased by your sad attempt to embarrass the in such a silly way. Though it seems they were as ususual very kind and did not make a big sene of your ignorance. I do so admire the way they did not try and make a fool of you as you have tried to do to them. Some people are just kind at heart, then theres the likes of you and I. Heres a place for you to learn a little about elephants old America & prepare for their next visit. (: http://www.the-book-of-mormon.com/photo-proofs.html http://www.the-book-of-mormon.com/elephants.jpg Regards Greg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — CAUTION: Reading these Scientology "secrets" will give you pneumonia: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html http://w4u.eexi.gr/~antbos/XENU.HTM And Saddam: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/ "What were war crimes in 1945 is foreign policy in 2003." Heimatsicherheitsabteilung: Bush’s "Homeland Security" fascism.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Book of Mormon is pretty stupid Woops! It looks like someone did a little research, found Snip & out that his mythologies actually does claim that elephants were in North America, and is now eating crow. Forcing cultists to actually __read__ their mythologies is step #1. How embarrasing for you, that you did not have the latest information & evidence of elephants in the Americas pre Columbus. No wonder the poor missionaries were embarrased by your sad attempt to embarrass the in such a silly way. Though it seems they were as ususual very kind and did not make a big sene of your ignorance. I do so admire the way they did not try and make a fool of you as you have tried to do to them. Some people are just kind at heart, then theres the likes of you and I. Heres a place for you to learn a little about elephants old America & prepare for their next visit. (: http://www.the-book-of-mormon.com/photo-proofs.html http://www.the-book-of-mormon.com/elephants.jpg Regards Greg
Thanks for the links. Are you into UFOs and alien abductions? Here are some links that prove that aliens are among us. Anyone who thinks UFOs and Aliens have been debunked hasn’t read the latest scientific research: http://www.alienobserver.com/ http://www.bright.net/~phobia/main.htm Also, some so called intellectuals actually believe the myth that the earth is round. Ha ha, read these scientific facts and learn the truth. The earth is flat. http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm Aliens, UFO, and a Flat Earth have all been proven scientifically just like the Book of Mormon. It’s time people wake up and get educated.
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The Book of Mormon is pretty stupid Woops! It looks like someone did a little research, found Snip & out that his mythologies actually does claim that elephants were in North America, and is now eating crow. Forcing cultists to actually __read__ their mythologies is step #1. How embarrasing for you, that you did not have the latest information & evidence of elephants in the Americas pre Columbus.
Funny how these invisible elephants of yours aren’t known out in the real world. Are these invisible elephants of yours pink, by any chance? Right. When you find verifiable evidence for these mysterious creatures, do let me and the rest of the world know about it. I’m sure archeologists would love a copy of the memo too. <smile — CAUTION: Reading these Scientology "secrets" will give you pneumonia: http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html http://w4u.eexi.gr/~antbos/XENU.HTM ~~|;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;’^';-._.-;||’;-._.-;’^';||_.-;’^'0-|~~ O | Who Drowned the Judge’s Dog? | . . . . . . . ‘—-. 0 | O
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The Book of Mormon is pretty stupid Woops! It looks like someone did
a little research, found – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Snip & out that his mythologies actually does claim that elephants were in North America, and is now eating crow. Forcing cultists to actually __read__ their mythologies is step #1. How embarrasing for you, that you did not have the latest information & evidence of elephants in the Americas pre Columbus. No wonder the poor missionaries were embarrased by your sad attempt to embarrass the in such a silly way. Though it seems they were as ususual very kind and did not make a big sene of your ignorance. I do so admire the way they did not try and make a fool of you as you have tried to do to them. Some people are just kind at heart, then theres the likes of you and I. Heres a place for you to learn a little about elephants old America & prepare for their next visit. (: http://www.the-book-of-mormon.com/photo-proofs.html http://www.the-book-of-mormon.com/elephants.jpg Regards Greg Thanks for the links. Are you into UFOs and alien abductions? Here are some links that prove that aliens are among us. Anyone who thinks UFOs and Aliens have been debunked hasn’t read the latest scientific research:
Your taking life way too serious pal. Did’nt you see my smily face indicating I was joking. Have a beer & chill then take a long walk it will help calm you nerves and help you to see the earth really is flat. The photos from NASA are a total fraud. Im very serious this time. (-: Greg. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.alienobserver.com/ http://www.bright.net/~phobia/main.htm Also, some so called intellectuals actually believe the myth that the earth is round. Ha ha, read these scientific facts and learn the truth. The earth is flat. http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm Aliens, UFO, and a Flat Earth have all been proven scientifically just like the Book of Mormon. It’s time people wake up and get educated.
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The Book of Mormon is pretty stupid on its face however the claims that there were vast civilizations of humans in North America some 2200 years BCE is one of the dumbest notions; a close second to the notion that steel existed at the time: "The whole face of the land had become covered with buildings, and the people were as numerous almost, as it were the sands of the sea." (Mormon 1:7.) "…fine workmanship of wood, in buildings, and in machinery, and also in iron and copper, and brass and steel, makings [sic] all manners of tools…" (Jarom 1:8 and 2 Nepho 5:15.) "…horses …asses …elephants…" (Ether 9:17-19.) Amusing Hate Rant from Mormon Missionaries This will amuse both real Mormons and non-Mormons alike. I hope that after reading the hate these two Mormons snuck onto my door in the early morning hours, you won’t judge these two Mormon missionaries too harshly. Anyone can be misinformed and perpetuate a mistaken notion when it supports their religious beliefs, I suppose, and anyone can honestly believe that the truth about their mistaken religious beliefs are "mocking," "hatred," or "bigotry." Resentment at learning the truth about a deeply-held belief often will manifest itself in claims of hatred and bigotry. Mormon missionaries are no exception. __What Could Prompt Mormons To Act This Way?__ Quite a few months ago two Mormon missionaries made the mistake of knocking on my door. Sadly, neither one of them would show me their magic underwear so after my request was denied, I lost interest in the two. Door-to-door deity salesmen are a dime a dozen and I’ve yet to encounter one who wasn’t both truly insane and truly silly. Going door-to-door trying to sell invisible playmates just isn’t something that sane, rational, thinking people do, after all, and when it is so easy to debunk a mistaken religious belief, door-to-door deity salesmen never fail to grow ever more silly as they attempt to defend the absurdity of their debunked notions. These two cultists were a minor exception since they ended up rabidly screaming insane nonsense about horses — a truly freakish, surrealistic turn of events utterly disconnected from what proceeded the ranting. They also ended their "discussion" with a threat which is also mirrored in the insane rant they snuck onto my door in the dead of night. __A Problem With Mythologies Being Literally Believed__ The Mormon’s book of mythologies aren’t intended to be literally believed any more than the Christian book of mythologies is. As legend, myth, and metaphor, most people on Earth recognize such works as having value for the __meanings__ of what they contain, not the literal claims being made. A "holy" book should be cherished by the religious rather than worshipped by them. The Mormon book of mythology contains a great deal of myth about North America which just isn’t in any way reflected in anthropological and archeological studies. There are mistakes in the mythologies which reflect the ignorance of the writers. That’s to be expected. One of the minor things which the Mormon’s book of mythologies mistakenly states is that there were elephants in North America long before they were introduced by Europeans and the Spanish. Few people would seize upon such a mistake and try to pretend that elephants really were in North America at the time suggested. It’s an honest mistake based upon the ignorance of the people who wrote the Mormon book of mythologies and should be understood as such. When the two Mormon missionaries claimed that their gods wrote their mythologies, I pointed out the obvious mistake about elephants. Woops! That really annoyed these two. Not only did the fat one turn red and apoplectic, both hopped off into the weeds and started ranting about horses, telling me that horses lived in North America long before they were reintroduced by the Spanish. Perhaps Mormon missionaries don’t know the difference between elephants and horses. I don’t know. Perhaps it’s because they both have four legs, four feet, tails, two ears, two eyes, a nose, a mouth, teeth, and hair that prompted the unfortunate mistake. Eventually, after losing their undependable argument, these two started threatening my wife by claiming they were going to return when she was home alone. Sadly I made the mistake of telling them I was phoning the police and the two fled the neighborhood, disappearing quickly enough so that the police couldn’t apprehend them. That night, these two Mormons quietly snuck to my front door and set down an envelope containing hate mail — which I’ll get to in a moment. That hate mail was taken to the police department and inspected by the officer behind the counter. __What The Police Had To Say:__ What’s interesting is that the officer and I agreed completely: cultists — in fact anybody, even the KKK — have the right to practice free speech right up to the point where they start to violate other people’s rights. Going door-to-door isn’t a crime but vague threats against people’s wives is. Since these two weren’t able to be apprehended, it was suggested that I try to stall them the next time they knocked on the door to give the police time to question them. I was to show the arresting officer the hate mail left on my door by these two sneaks so that there would be solid grounds for taking them in. (And, of course, I would have my audio tape of any new threats.) Here is the text of these Mormon’s freakish rant. A photocopy of the four post-its which these two wrote their hate rant on can be found at http://www.skeptictank.org/m.jpg An amusing artifact came from a review of this hate rant by someone who has studied graphology — the study of discerning meaning, emotion, and personality traits from someone’s handwriting. After I forwarded a copy of the hate rant to a graphologist, he informed me that the person who wrote it was deeply depressed. __The Text of the Freakish Rant:__ Some of the handwriting had to be guessed at yet the poor spelling has been faithfully reproduced. What’s interesting is the exhibition of hatred, anger, and resentment which culminates in a series of freakish threats involving these Mormon’s invisible monsters. I would like to add commentary after the cultists’ text: "Dear Educated Dumbass, "We wanted to share these papers we got off the internet with you. We know that you are a very intelligent man, but please take a look at them. They have proved that horses were in the Americas before the Spanish came in the 1490’s. But then I hadn’t claimed otherwise. It was the two Mormons who seized upon horses after I pointed out their mythology’s mistake about elephants. Regardless, I learned about the evolution of horses along with about 150 class mates back in the late 1970’s. It has long been known that horses evolved on North America, migrated North East, died out and were replaced by plains buffalo in North America, and then were re-introduced by the Spanish. The history and evolution of the modern equine has been known for centuries. "As for your comment about elephants, all I can say is they were wrong about horses, they could be wrong about elephants. Woops! It looks like someone did a little research, found out that his mythologies actually does claim that elephants were in North America, and is now eating crow. Forcing cultists to actually __read__ their mythologies is step #1. Forcing them to face up to the fact that their mythologies are fraught with error is step #2. I like the logical fallacies, though. "They were wrong…" Without exception cultists never mention anyone’s name or any reference to back up their claims — because they’re lying. The history and evolution of the horse is __the best well known__ history of any species. Nobody was "wrong about horses." The second logical fallacy — the belief that "they" were "wrong" about horses and so "could" be wrong about elephants — is a sad, desperate belief adopted by a coward who can’t admit his mythologies aren’t supposed to be believed literally. "The bottom line is that the spirit confirmed the truth of the Prophet Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon. If you humble yourself and read it with an open heart and mind, you will find it is the greatest testimony of the divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ the World has ever known. In other words, forget the fact that my cult’s mythologies are fraught with honest mistakes and wasn’t written by gods as I had claimed. Focus upon these __other__ claims that are equally mistaken instead. "We apologize for the way we reacted to your hatred and ignorance. We did not react in a Christlike (sic) way. One of the hardest things for us to tolerate is bigotry, but we are learning to be temperant in all things. Well, I suppose that’s one way to avoid an embarrassing truth: pretend that those who force you to face up to the fact is some how easily dismissed as bigotry and hatred. The facts of the matter, however, aren’t so easily dismissed. Elephants haven’t suddenly appeared in the archeological and paleontological text books just because someone wants to pretend it’s a conspiracy of bigotry and hatred. "Sex (?) God (sic) will not be mocked! As for your mocking the sacredness of our Temple (sic) Garments, (sic) those words will stand against you at the Judgment (sic) Day. (Sic) You need to be humbled! Always remember this, GOD (sic) will HUMBLE (sic) You! (sic) When he does, and you are repentent, (sic) we would love to help you come unto (sic) Christ through Baptism (sic) into his Church. (sic) And where would the cultists’ debunked claims be without eventually having to launch freakishly occult threats against those who dare correct them? No __real__ Mormon would utter such silly threats but then no __real__ Mormon believes that elephants … read more »
. He and Becky are coming over sometime today, it’s her birthday, and I’m going to ask HER what she would like for Christmas, and leave him to himself. BTW, for her birthday, I got her a scarf, hat and gloves. He seemed to "approve" (Like I care at this point). One observation, he doesn’t mind getting presents himself! He’s still wearing the sweater I bought for him last Christmas! Sigh. Sara 
> We were both getting off at the same station. As we were waiting for the > train to stop, I stood by the door and I looked over to her. She said > "Hello." to me. I said "Hi." and smiled. Here comes the interesting > part. Then she said "The usual response to hello is hello." Then I said > "I said hi." End of conversation. I must have said "hi" quite quietly at > first.