Christianity QA

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Well, I’m an atheist so I really can’t say, but do you, personally, honestly, believe that there is a god and do you have faith in it? I admit that I don’t believe in god or anything, and I’ve lost a lot of friends over the years, but I still have faith in tomorrow… AKiRA wrote: > why the hell do he want people to be lonely??? > is it because he want to see people suffering…well then he is not better > than satan… > /Jimmy

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AKiRA wrote: > why the hell do he want people to be lonely??? > is it because he want to see people suffering…well then he is not better > than satan… > /Jimmy

 Loneliness is a minor inconvenience. The bigger question is: if there is a God, then why is there so much suffering and injustice in the world — like starving children in Africa, or all of the holocaust victims. I am not religious anymore, but when I was religious, one of the answers I got for that question is that there can be no joy without suffering. Another answer is that suffering is caused by evil people, and if evil people were unable to cause suffering, then they would be unable to sin and man kind would lose it’s free will, but all of suffering we endure in this life will be negligible in comparison to the eternal joy we will feel in the paradise.

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Excellent response, Frans. I concur with you. Much shalom, Nick In article <76lsdu$js…@news.worldonline.nl>, bowl…@club.tip.nl says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->AKiRA wandered>… >>why the hell do he want people to be lonely??? >>is it because he want to see people suffering…well then he is not >better >>than satan… >>/Jimmy >This is such a difficult answer to give. If one is brought up with a >bible (christian / muslim / jew) the answer is: Yes, there is a God. And >because we, people mess things up we have to pay for it. This God is one >of love and caring, if we love and care. A contradiction to the "turn >the other cheek" theory. He punishes us hard, if we do wrong. You feel >sad about your loneliness, but what about the 10.000 people in Central >America a month ago. Because we, humans, destroy nature, nature (=God) >punishes, even without looking who is guilty and who’s not. >But this same God doesn’t punish, if there’s more than one believer >amongst those who are punished. >This is called Believe. >If a person has been brought up in the spirit of nature (Indians, >Pygmy’s, Cossack’s etc.) than there is a God within ourselves. He (or >She, so It = the Spirit) gave life to us. What we do with it, is our >affair. When life is over, It will ask us what we’ve done with it. And >the answer better be good… >In the Christian bible there’s a tale about a father, giving money to >his children, to take care of, until he returns. It’s the same believe, >told a little different. >Than there are non-believers. There is no god. We are god. So 100 people >are 100 gods and it might be possible these gods are fighting, while the >people watch and do nothing. >Maybe Satan is God… Nobody knows. Many believe Satan is not. >What ever you prefer, in all three descriptions, which is my way of >thinking and doesn’t have to be right, you know, we, the humans, have to >do it ourselves. >So that might be the truth. >What have I done today, that possibly makes my life better in the long >run? How many hours (or minutes or, worse, seconds) did I work on that? >And it is the most important thing for me in my life!!! Can I blame God >for not helping me? If I try to lift a heavy stone, a burden, off my >life, He’ll help. That’s my believe. What did I do? I wait for Him to >lift that stone off my life. Have another beer, zip to another channel >or answer some person on Usenet. Why doesn’t he help me? Well, maybe he >did in giving me the inspiration to answer a difficult question. >But I am not sure of all of this. Because it’s called believing. >Now about you, Jimmy. >Why do you think you are alone? Why do you feel lonely? Tell us. There >are many good people here and we all support you in your struggle, not >to feel lonesome anymore. And support means… You do it and we help. A >deal? >Frans

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I think you said the key word, Simon, which is "faith." We all have faith in something. If that faith is strong enough, it makes a difference in our lives and the world. Much peace to you. Nick In article <368F0481.1BF8B…@escape.net>, Milky…@escape.net says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Well, I’m an atheist so I really can’t say, but do you, personally, >honestly, believe that there is a god and do you have faith in it? >I admit that I don’t believe in god or anything, and I’ve lost a lot of >friends over the years, but I still have faith in tomorrow… >AKiRA wrote: >> why the hell do he want people to be lonely??? >> is it because he want to see people suffering…well then he is not better >> than satan… >> /Jimmy >– >                                                Yours sincerely, >                                                           Simon >–                               >For PGP Public-Key, Finger Milky…@escape.net >If my . file is gone, ask… >ICQ UIN #2086171 AIM NICK: SLVoid

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I think the issue is not do much whether or not there is a god, but what god we have faith in. It may be the God of one of the world’s religions, or our God may be money, power, even ourselves. Someone one wrote: "In the begining God created humankind in God’s image and

human kind has been repaying the compliment ever since." I think that’s another way of saying that we create our god in an image in which we are comfortable, even if that god is a mean old man who is without compassion or love. By the way, whoever fed you the line that there can be no joy without suffering was full of bull. My response to that person is found in Psalms 50:9a. I believe that hurt and pain in this life is inevitable. The suffering, however, is optional. That’s something I learned from reading Viktor Frankl, whose book "Man’s Search for Meaning" seems to have much to say about the discussion in this thread. Thanks, my friend, for your input. Much peace to you. Nick In article <368F0FBC.76630…@zob.com>, b…@zob.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->AKiRA wrote: >> why the hell do he want people to be lonely??? >> is it because he want to see people suffering…well then he is not better >> than satan… >> /Jimmy > Loneliness is a minor inconvenience. The bigger question is: if there is a >God, then why is there so much suffering and injustice in the world — like >starving children in Africa, or all of the holocaust victims. >I am not religious anymore, but when I was religious, one of the answers I got >for that question is that there can be no joy without suffering. Another >answer is that suffering is caused by evil people, and if evil people were >unable to cause suffering, then they would be unable to sin and man kind would >lose it’s free will, but all of suffering we endure in this life will be >negligible in comparison to the eternal joy we will feel in the paradise.

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Nicholas Temple wrote: > By the way, whoever fed you the line that there can be no joy without > suffering was full of bull. My response to that person is found in Psalms > 50:9a.

It is a simple concept to understand, person is happy to have food if and only if that person experienced hunger. I thing that the reason many of us are unhappy is because we are not unfortunate enough. Unhappiness tend to bring people together, as we are together here in ASL. Also, because we don’t have to worry about our health, source of food, or people trying to kill us, our biggest problem is the fact that we are alone. Who ever heard of starving people complain of loneliness, or of unhappiness in a relationship? So if we are not hungry or in some other immediate danger then why are we so unhappy? Because nature programed us so that we would always want to get to a better position than we are in now. No one can be happy for ever. There is no goal we can reach and stop. We are always driven to get something better. So if any of us stops being lonely, than another problem or goal will surface to occupy our lives. That is why people who win the lottery are often times unhappy.

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Hey Beg…I like that concept…and it makes a lot of sense.  Thanks for sharing your insight and giving me some food for thought.   Yes….I can think…and don’t let anyone else tell you otherwise.  <laugh> Hugs and Smiles, Gina "I don’t need no walls around me… I don’t need no drugs to calm me… I have seen the writing on the wall…. Don’t think I’ll need anything at all….. All in all it was just bricks in the wall…"                        — Pink Floyd

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I know that there is many people that have in diffrent ways so it may be selfish of me to complain about my loneliness… but there isn

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