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<Grace was given to man when the cross was accomplished. ONLY the righteous can be saved. And this means what? Dogs & children first.
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you wrote. On to my point: Nobody DESERVES heaven. We are all as filthy rags; only by grace can we be saved.
Grace was given to man when the cross was accomplished. ONLY the righteous can be saved. Look what happened when God spoke to Abraham and told him that He was going to destroy Sodom. Abraham pleaded with God and asked would God destroy the righteous with the wicked, and asked if 40, then 30, then 20 and eventually ten RIGHTEOUS be found, would God destroy it and God said NO, but what happened, NOT even ten righteous were found and Sodom got destroyed So therefore, if YOU have NOT sought the righteousness of GOD, as Christ commanded, and have OBEYED every WORD of Christ, and are UNRIGHTEOUS, you TOO will be destroyed. Matt 25:46 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. (KJV) So if you want to be saved, then you MUST BE RIGHTEOUS to receive life eternal. I Jn 3:2-10 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. (KJV) ONLY those who OBEY the COMPLETE WILL OF GOD and are righteous can be saved. Matt 7:21-23 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (KJV) Luke 6:46-49 46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? 47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: 48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. 49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great. (KJV) Obviously, if you do NOT DO ALL that Christ said, then you are really NOT a believer, and Christ is NOT in you, and you will NOT be saved. — Dore http://spirit_of_prophecy.tripod.com/ Rev 21:7 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. (KJV)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If man THINKS that heaven SHOULD be easily attained, and is NOT willing to GIVE ALL, DO ALL and COMMIT with his WHOLE life, with every minute, every breath, with the last ounce of strength to OBEY and PLEASE God, then he doesn’t DESERVE Heaven, after all, God has provided everything, forgiveness, strength, the Holy Spirit, the guide, the truths and all knowledge and wisdom and all that God requires provided in the bible for man to abide. Whoo, thet’s a run on sentence. It’s okay, I’ve done it a time or two myself. On to my point: Nobody DESERVES heaven. We are all as filthy rags; only by grace can we be saved.
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If man THINKS that heaven SHOULD be easily attained, and is NOT willing to GIVE ALL, DO ALL and COMMIT with his WHOLE life, with every minute, every breath, with the last ounce of strength to OBEY and PLEASE God, then he doesn’t DESERVE Heaven, after all, God has provided everything, forgiveness, strength, the Holy Spirit, the guide, the truths and all knowledge and wisdom and all that God requires provided in the bible for man to abide.
Whoo, thet’s a run on sentence. It’s okay, I’ve done it a time or two myself. On to my point: Nobody DESERVES heaven. We are all as filthy rags; only by grace can we be saved.
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you wrote. I believe that if you don’t do what God says that you probably don’t have true faith. However, I don’t rely on my works to save me, but rely on the grace of God through faith in Jesus. Read Ephesians 2:8-9.
The grace of God through faith in Christ, IS DOING ALL that was taught, and those WORKS will be rewarded, for you are JUDGED according to them. Matt 7:22-27 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. (KJV) Luke 6:46-49 46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? 47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: 48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. 49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great. (KJV) John 12:48 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. (KJV) Rev 3:2 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. (KJV) Rev 14:13 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. (KJV) Rev 20:12 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (KJV) — Dore Mal 3:18 18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not. (KJV) http://members.tripod.com/~spirit_of_prophecy/index.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – previous post: Dahmer, nor Manson are SAVED simply because they CLAIM to believe in Christ, and NEVER DO anything He said. I believe that if you don’t do what God says that you probably don’t have true faith. However, I don’t rely on my works to save me, but rely on the grace of God through faith in Jesus. Read Ephesians 2:8-9. -The Rocket
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I agree completely Dore. A magic little incantation to Jesus isn’t saving anybody.
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No matter how bad someone has been, they can be saved if they truly have faith in Jesus.
Not always. The bible teaches that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. Nor will wearing the mark of the beast be forgiven.
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I agree that so-called faith without works is dead. I believe that if works do not follow that you probably don’t have true faith. I don’t dispute that. However, Ephesians 2:8-9 and other Scriptures say that you are saved through faith and NOT by works. I don’t rely on my works to save me, but I also realize that you will have works when you have true faith. People often misinterpret me when I emphasize that you are NOT saved by works. That doesn’t mean that works aren’t important, but I don’t rely on my works to save me. It is by grace through faith that I’m saved, and NOT as a result of my good works. My works don’t pay the debt I owe. Jesus Christ paid my debt on the cross. I hope this clears things up. -The Rocket
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Faith without good works is meaningless. Read James 2:14-26. — Brian
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – previous post: Dahmer, nor Manson are SAVED simply because they CLAIM to believe in Christ, and NEVER DO anything He said. I believe that if you don’t do what God says that you probably don’t have true faith. However, I don’t rely on my works to save me, but rely on the grace of God through faith in Jesus. Read Ephesians 2:8-9. -The Rocket
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previous post: Dahmer, nor Manson are SAVED simply because they CLAIM to believe in Christ, and NEVER DO anything He said.
I believe that if you don’t do what God says that you probably don’t have true faith. However, I don’t rely on my works to save me, but rely on the grace of God through faith in Jesus. Read Ephesians 2:8-9. -The Rocket
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you wrote. Wow, I challenge you to name one human being who would satisfy your requirements stated in your last sentence. Heaven must be sparsely populated, to be sure.
No, heaven is filled with angels, but yes, there will be FEW men who receive redemption. Matt 7:14 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. (KJV) If man THINKS that heaven SHOULD be easily attained, and is NOT willing to GIVE ALL, DO ALL and COMMIT with his WHOLE life, with every minute, every breath, with the last ounce of strength to OBEY and PLEASE God, then he doesn’t DESERVE Heaven, after all, God has provided everything, forgiveness, strength, the Holy Spirit, the guide, the truths and all knowledge and wisdom and all that God requires provided in the bible for man to abide. What more do YOU EXPECT from God? What is the problem with mankind that they will DO anything, sacrifice anything, and give everything to attain a good job, earthly success, a big house,etc, but when it comes to obeying God, they got all kinds of excuses as if God wasn’t WORTH the trouble, when pleasing and OBEYING God is the MOST important thing a person can do? In fact, it is the WHOLE reason man exists in the first place. — Dore Mal 3:18 18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not. (KJV) http://members.tripod.com/~spirit_of_prophecy/index.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That is the BIGGEST LIE of modern Christianity, that you need only to say that sinners prayer, believe in the name of Jesus, and that’s it, you are instantly saved. NO, you MUST be found in the judgment repentant, sinless, blameless, RIGHTEOUS, pure and OBEDIENT to every command, demand and requirement of God, and IF you endure until the end, overcome ALL evil, THEN you will attain your crown of redemption. — Dore Wow, I challenge you to name one human being who would satisfy your requirements stated in your last sentence. Heaven must be sparsely populated, to be sure.
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That is the BIGGEST LIE of modern Christianity, that you need only to say that sinners prayer, believe in the name of Jesus, and that’s it, you are instantly saved. NO, you MUST be found in the judgment repentant, sinless, blameless, RIGHTEOUS, pure and OBEDIENT to every command, demand and requirement of God, and IF you endure until the end, overcome ALL evil, THEN you will attain your crown of redemption. — Dore
Wow, I challenge you to name one human being who would satisfy your requirements stated in your last sentence. Heaven must be sparsely populated, to be sure.
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you wrote. I heard that Jeffrey Dahmer became a Christian. If he sincerely had faith in Jesus then he was saved
Having faith in Jesus means that you BELIEVE that He was the Son of God and every word out of His mouth was FROM GOD to be OBEYED, ABIDED and LIVED. Dahmer, nor Manson are SAVED simply because they CLAIM to believe in Christ, and NEVER DO anything He said. That is the BIGGEST LIE of modern Christianity, that you need only to say that sinners prayer, believe in the name of Jesus, and that’s it, you are instantly saved. NO, you MUST be found in the judgment repentant, sinless, blameless, RIGHTEOUS, pure and OBEDIENT to every command, demand and requirement of God, and IF you endure until the end, overcome ALL evil, THEN you will attain your crown of redemption. — Dore Mal 3:18 18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not. (KJV) http://members.tripod.com/~spirit_of_prophecy/index.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have mentioned about the possibility of serial killers being saved. I have mentioned, specifically, that if Charles Manson comes to true faith in Jesus that he will be saved. Some people have misinterpreted my comments as a license to continue to sin because you’re saved. That’s not what I meant. I believe that if Charles Manson comes to Jesus that he will repent of his sins and have a new life in Jesus. God can change people’s lives. No matter how bad someone has been, they can be saved if they truly have faith in Jesus. Also, their lives will be changed. I heard that Jeffrey Dahmer became a Christian. If he sincerely had faith in Jesus then he was saved. Many people have a problem with that. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t want anyone to go to hell. I want people to be saved. I need God’s grace, too. I believe that the more we realize our own need for grace that the less of a problem we will have with a serial killer being saved. God’s grace is great. He is Merciful. That is awesome! -The Rocket
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have mentioned about the possibility of serial killers being saved. I have mentioned, specifically, that if Charles Manson comes to true faith in Jesus that he will be saved. Some people have misinterpreted my comments as a license to continue to sin because you’re saved. That’s not what I meant. I believe that if Charles Manson comes to Jesus that he will repent of his sins and have a new life in Jesus. God can change people’s lives. No matter how bad someone has been, they can be saved if they truly have faith in Jesus. Also, their lives will be changed. I heard that Jeffrey Dahmer became a Christian. If he sincerely had faith in Jesus then he was saved. Many people have a problem with that. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t want anyone to go to hell. I want people to be saved. I need God’s grace, too. I believe that the more we realize our own need for grace that the less of a problem we will have with a serial killer being saved. God’s grace is great. He is Merciful. That is awesome! -The Rocket
Yes, it is possible, no matter how bad a sinner one is, to repent and be forgiven. Look at King Manasseh of ancient Israel. "He caused his son to pass through the fire, and used magic and divination, and appointed necromancers and soothsayers: he wrought evil beyond measure in the sight of Jehovah, to provoke him to anger." 2 Kings 21:6. Think of it! Manasseh burned his own children to death in sacrificial fires to false gods! Yet, he later repented, and was forgiven. More recently, there have been some former Nazis who stopped persecuting Christians, and actually became Christians themselves! They now worship in peace alongside people of Jewish descent, African descent, all those races they had been taught to hate, because now they had come to know the love of the Christ, who has no prejudice. Remember the illustration Jesus gave about the two debtors? One owed 50 denarii, the other 500. When both were forgiven their debts, Jesus asked, who do you suppose loved the creditor more? Yes! The one forgiven more. (Luke 7:41-43) What matters is not the gravity of the sin, but the *sinner’s current attitude toward having committed that sin*. All King Uzzah of Israel did was try to stop the Ark of the Covenant from falling, yet he was struck dead; King David committed adultery and murder, and he was forgiven. Why? Because of the way he later viewed his sin. (2 Sam. 6:6, 7; 2 Sam. 11:2-27; Ps 51) May you have peace. — for humble Christian Bible study: http://www.watchtower.org/
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The power/chain of forgiveness only works if it is unbroken. IF you cant forgive someone for something they did then how can they forgive you? (Not asking you personally just making the point).
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have mentioned about the possibility of serial killers being saved. I have mentioned, specifically, that if Charles Manson comes to true faith in Jesus that he will be saved. Some people have misinterpreted my comments as a license to continue to sin because you’re saved. That’s not what I meant. I believe that if Charles Manson comes to Jesus that he will repent of his sins and have a new life in Jesus. God can change people’s lives. No matter how bad someone has been, they can be saved if they truly have faith in Jesus. Also, their lives will be changed. I heard that Jeffrey Dahmer became a Christian. If he sincerely had faith in Jesus then he was saved. Many people have a problem with that. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t want anyone to go to hell. I want people to be saved. I need God’s grace, too. I believe that the more we realize our own need for grace that the less of a problem we will have with a serial killer being saved. God’s grace is great. He is Merciful. That is awesome! -The Rocket
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I have mentioned about the possibility of serial killers being saved. I have mentioned, specifically, that if Charles Manson comes to true faith in Jesus that he will be saved. Some people have misinterpreted my comments as a license to continue to sin because you’re saved. That’s not what I meant. I believe that if Charles Manson comes to Jesus that he will repent of his sins and have a new life in Jesus. God can change people’s lives. No matter how bad someone has been, they can be saved if they truly have faith in Jesus. Also, their lives will be changed. I heard that Jeffrey Dahmer became a Christian. If he sincerely had faith in Jesus then he was saved. Many people have a problem with that. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t want anyone to go to hell. I want people to be saved. I need God’s grace, too. I believe that the more we realize our own need for grace that the less of a problem we will have with a serial killer being saved. God’s grace is great. He is Merciful. That is awesome! -The Rocket
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