Christianity QA

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WEll Shucks ;P …burst my bubble why don’t you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ahh Starmaker… I thought you wanted me …..Boo hoo. What shall I ever do now? I still want you Mary…I never said I wanted *only* you. The Starmaker

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Ahh Starmaker… I thought you wanted me …..Boo hoo. What shall I ever do now? BTW…its like that tingle you get from Static Electricity. Multiply it 5 score …. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bet you don’t get out much, do you?  Or is it that you don’t get any? That’s what I’m trying to do right now! Give me time. I haven’t figure out which buttons to press…or if you even got any buttons to press. But I do know one thing….I want you! The Starmaker Sex doesn’t work with you. Flowers, I don’t think so. I might just have to *slap* you, just to get your attention.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Spielberg is not an actor he’s basically supreme ruler of Hollywood. And appears to be a very nice guy. angie southern cali sure is warm! The problem with guys like Spielberg is they don’t give other directors a chance to direct. The only reason he keeps making good movies is because *they* keep giving him more money to make movies. Who is this mysterious *they* you keep referring to? Moe, Larry and Curly.

Oh, you mean the leading candidates for your paternity.  I get it now. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – *They* are afraid to give anybody else the money to make movies. Cause *they* are afraid of losing money. So these guys say, we give him the money and he makes good pictures that make money. What else are studios execs going to say?  "Hey, Speilberg may be good, but *this* guy sucks!  Let’s give him some money and let him make some crappy piece of shit ?" Such language coming from a girl with such a pretty name like Laura.

I bet you don’t get out much, do you?  Or is it that you don’t get any? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They are afraid to give the money to a good director who has not any history. Define "history" please.  Are you referring to directors who haven’t made any movies for a major studio before?  Directors who have made only one or two indie shorts?  Or directors who have made a short "concept piece" using a camcorder to film a couple of their friends freaking out in the woods of Maryland? What’s ‘indie’?:) By "history" *honey*, I mean box office history.

Was that *honey* intended to get a rise out of me.  Ahhh, too transparent. They are lots of good directors. They just don’t have the same money being thrown at them. Neither did Speilberg when he started.  Amblin was filmed on a shoestring. And have you seen what the budget was for American Grafitti? I’m talking about directors with box office history…for some reason they stopped giving them more money to do films.

And I was saying that everyone starts somewhere.  Not every director is going to have the same chance of getting mega-bucks backing for their film. In some cases, it’s not fair.  In others, it’s a damn shame.  In still more, it’s a damn *good* thing (having just come home after seeing a disappointing example of the latter).  I’m not supporting the Hollywood System by any means.  Getting the backing of a major studio for a project isn’t always based on the highest asthetic and it’s as much a matter of schmoozing, reputation, trend, and marketing as it is the quality of a director’s portfolio.  That doesn’t mean that talent doesn’t count for anything. Saving Private Ryan and Schindler’s List are, like most of his works, based on subjects that most of us (those who haven’t experienced them first hand) only think about in the abstract: war, the holocaust, and the war years of the 30’s and 40’s in general.  But where Speilberg rises above the studio execs’ low opinion of what the public will *buy* is that he makes those topics personal and life-sized.  You get to know the characters in his movies, become intimate with them.  And yes, you *can* see the money in those movies (big name stars, the latest technical/computer graphic effects, etc.), but I’d be willing to bet you’d still see the same comittment to plot development, depth of characterization, and thematic concern whether the film cost $40K or $40M. So it gives the impression that Speilberg is a great director but in reality he is just a director who has money backing him. No.  Speilberg is a great director who, through a lot of hard work and effort over time, has managed to gain the financial backing he now enjoys. He doesn’t have a monopoly over hard work and effort.

Didn’t say he did.  But he’s a good example to follow: he knew from childhood that what he wanted to do was make films and he put every ounce of energy and drive into persuing that goal. Any director can make great movies if they had the money behind them. Bullshit.  You obviously never saw Ishtar or Cimino’s Heaven’s Gate! Ohhhhh, honey…you sound bitter, angry….I have a feeling you’re a hot chick! Is there more of this coming? I think I’m falling in love!

More pathetic attempts to make this a gender flame war.  Sorry.  Not taking the bait. Spielberg keeps making great movies cause they keep giving him the money to do it. If they didn’t give him the money, you would never have heard of him. Bullshit.  Spielberg, like Lucas, Scorsese, Stone, and Coppolla, was given a break after making a low-budget student film. Two "Bullshits" in a row! You’re are hot!! I always say, angry chicks are the best sex.

Tsk.  Tsk.  Still trying?  Oh, well.  Some people never learn. Funny, you name directors names that only most people can remember.

Okay.  How about Sam Fuller? Doesn’t that tell you something? 500 motion pictures were made last year but you could only remember the same directors, year after year after year after year.

I was using those particular directors precisely because they are the type of *big names* that  seem to have a grudge against in order to point out that they all started as lowly film school students, trying to get 40 minutes of celluloid looked at by somebody, somewhere. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any artist can make a great painting if they had the time and money behind them. It’s the money not the director that makes him great. Why were there so many great artist in the 16th, 17th, and 18th century? Because there was no tv, radio, movies, cars etc. They had nothing else to do! So they can spend all year painting a picture. Nothing to do… let’s see… between the 16th and 18th centuries, wars were raged and new governments were forged; the Christian church split and split and split again as different religious leaders called for various reforms; the Christian Bible was re-drafted, edited, and reconstituted numerous times to serve the political agendas of Kings and Pontifs; people fled the lands of their birth on arduous sea journeys to an unknown, possibly hostile new world to escape religious persecution; men, women, and children were dragged from their homes, imprisioned, their property seized and sold off to pay for the cost of torturing, burning, hanging, and drowning them as heretics, witches, or because they were Jews who refused to convert to Christianity; the practice of midwifery began to disappear as the "medical profession" took over obstetric care… do I need to continue?  Or do you get the picture? I got the picture. You are great in bed! But I hope you don’t talk that much in bed…are you a moaner or a screamer?

You seem overly concerned with sex.  Are you sure you’re posting to the right newsgroup? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You take all year to paint a picture, I guarantee you it’ll be a great painting by the time you finish. If that were true, Adolph Hitler would be remembered alongside Rembrandt and Van Dyke instead of Vlad the Impaler.  He was a mediocre artist, at best. And all the time in the world would not have allowed him to paint anything comparable with the Mona Lisa or Monet’s Water Lillies. Now, if you’re an artist, they want the painting done within the hour. You don’t seem to know much about art history.  The painters and sculptors of the Renneisence or the next few centuries that followed it didn’t have all the time in the world to create their masterpieces.  These were commissioned pieces of work with definite deadlines behind them.  The Pope was constantly interrupting Michaelangelo during the painting of the Sistine Chapel, nagging him on and on about finishing the work (and then he complains when none of the people in the scenes are dressed!).  Many of Leonardo da Vinci’s pieces were never finished because he was working on so many different projects.  Sargeant got paid only because his portraits never failed to flatter their subjects (think of what masterpieces of realism he might have created without those restrictions). And lets not forget the composers!  Mozart died a pauper, yet do you really think he could have written anything that matches the musical legacy he left us if he had been favored by wealthy patrons (the patronage didn’t seem to do much for his more fortunate peers–most of their works are forgotten by all but a few classical music scholars). I didn’t mean to bust your bubble, but reality bites. What makes you think your post did anything of the kind? There is something about you that gets me going, I don’t know what it is. Ya, know.  I’m beginning to feel the same way about you.  Maybe it’s your habit to speaking flippantly on topics you know nothing about. I happen to be an expert on discussing topics I know nothing about.

I can see that. I’m always swimming in uncharted waters. I go where no man has gone before.

Whoopee.  I am so deeply impressed that I can now depart this life knowing that there really was a purpose to it all: so that you could do your impersonation of William Shatner on Usenet.  Thank you.  I’ll remember you in my will. I find people who talk about things they know about very boring.

That’s only because you have no idea what their saying. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I find people who talk about things they know nothing about

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Spielberg is not an actor he’s basically supreme ruler of Hollywood. And appears to be a very nice guy. angie southern cali sure is warm!

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oh, is that what you’re doing? trying to get me to put you in my killfile? nah. that would be too easy angie southern cali sure is warm!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Spielberg is not an actor he’s basically supreme ruler of Hollywood. And appears to be a very nice guy. angie southern cali sure is warm! The problem with guys like Spielberg is they don’t give other directors a chance to direct. The only reason he keeps making good movies is because *they* keep giving him more money to make movies.

Who is this mysterious *they* you keep referring to? *They* are afraid to give anybody else the money to make movies. Cause *they* are afraid of losing money. So these guys say, we give him the money and he makes good pictures that make money.

What else are studios execs going to say?  "Hey, Speilberg may be good, but *this* guy sucks!  Let’s give him some money and let him make some crappy piece of shit ?" They are afraid to give the money to a good director who has not any history.

Define "history" please.  Are you referring to directors who haven’t made any movies for a major studio before?  Directors who have made only one or two indie shorts?  Or directors who have made a short "concept piece" using a camcorder to film a couple of their friends freaking out in the woods of Maryland? They are lots of good directors. They just don’t have the same money being thrown at them.

Neither did Speilberg when he started.  Amblin was filmed on a shoestring. And have you seen what the budget was for American Grafitti? So it gives the impression that Speilberg is a great director but in reality he is just a director who has money backing him.

No.  Speilberg is a great director who, through a lot of hard work and effort over time, has managed to gain the financial backing he now enjoys. Any director can make great movies if they had the money behind them.

Bullshit.  You obviously never saw Ishtar or Cimino’s Heaven’s Gate! Spielberg keeps making great movies cause they keep giving him the money to do it. If they didn’t give him the money, you would never have heard of him.

Bullshit.  Spielberg, like Lucas, Scorsese, Stone, and Coppolla, was given a break after making a low-budget student film. Any artist can make a great painting if they had the time and money behind them. It’s the money not the director that makes him great. Why were there so many great artist in the 16th, 17th, and 18th century? Because there was no tv, radio, movies, cars etc. They had nothing else to do! So they can spend all year painting a picture.

Nothing to do… let’s see… between the 16th and 18th centuries, wars were raged and new governments were forged; the Christian church split and split and split again as different religious leaders called for various reforms; the Christian Bible was re-drafted, edited, and reconstituted numerous times to serve the political agendas of Kings and Pontifs; people fled the lands of their birth on arduous sea journeys to an unknown, possibly hostile new world to escape religious persecution; men, women, and children were dragged from their homes, imprisioned, their property seized and sold off to pay for the cost of torturing, burning, hanging, and drowning them as heretics, witches, or because they were Jews who refused to convert to Christianity; the practice of midwifery began to disappear as the "medical profession" took over obstetric care… do I need to continue?  Or do you get the picture? You take all year to paint a picture, I guarantee you it’ll be a great painting by the time you finish.

If that were true, Adolph Hitler would be remembered alongside Rembrandt and Van Dyke instead of Vlad the Impaler.  He was a mediocre artist, at best. And all the time in the world would not have allowed him to paint anything comparable with the Mona Lisa or Monet’s Water Lillies. Now, if you’re an artist, they want the painting done within the hour.

You don’t seem to know much about art history.  The painters and sculptors of the Renneisence or the next few centuries that followed it didn’t have all the time in the world to create their masterpieces.  These were commissioned pieces of work with definite deadlines behind them.  The Pope was constantly interrupting Michaelangelo during the painting of the Sistine Chapel, nagging him on and on about finishing the work (and then he complains when none of the people in the scenes are dressed!).  Many of Leonardo da Vinci’s pieces were never finished because he was working on so many different projects.  Sargeant got paid only because his portraits never failed to flatter their subjects (think of what masterpieces of realism he might have created without those restrictions). And lets not forget the composers!  Mozart died a pauper, yet do you really think he could have written anything that matches the musical legacy he left us if he had been favored by wealthy patrons (the patronage didn’t seem to do much for his more fortunate peers–most of their works are forgotten by all but a few classical music scholars). I didn’t mean to bust your bubble, but reality bites.

What makes you think your post did anything of the kind? There is something about you that gets me going, I don’t know what it is.

Ya, know.  I’m beginning to feel the same way about you.  Maybe it’s your habit to speaking flippantly on topics you know nothing about. Just a thought. Laura Wilson

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you know, SM, you were doing really good until you came to the F*cking f*g part. now why did you have to ruin a perfectly good description of women with that? and gay men think women are beautiful too… they just don’t try getting into our pants. starmaker says I cannot understand how any man can say he cannot worship Drama Queen

snipped angie southern cali sure is warm!

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I don’t want anybody to get the impression that I’m a good person. It’s bad for my reputation.

you know… Harrison Ford has a rep as a good person. So doe Spielberg. Works for them. angie southern cali sure is warm!

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Hey Hector, Was this your tribute for "International Woman’s Day"? …or was it just a co-incidence?   8^) Drama Queen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, DQ, I’ll never get down on my knees to worship you, that’s not my style; I cannot understand how any man can say he cannot worship Drama Queen. It doesn’t matter if she calls herself a Goddess or a Queen. That fact is, she is a *Women*! That is enough reason to worship her. At least any part of her body can be worshipped. A womans neck is very pretty. Every artist worships a womens neck. A womans lips are a work of art. The eyes. The Legs! (I’m a leg man myself) The Breast! (I don’t care what size they are) That Ass! (I know some of you guys are into that stuff) I save the best for last! That _______:) is driving guys crazy for eternity. That’s enough reason to go downn on your hands and knees. So when I see guys saying they cannot worship DQ, I don’t get it. I’m missing something. Even the guy who hates her the most will jump on her in a second, if she lets him. Hell, I worship her shoes! The Starmaker Of course, there could be one reason why a guy wouldn’t worship Drama Queen. He’s gotta be a fuckin fag!

– "The physicians cure you, the lawyers can handle your conflicts, the businessmen move the money, but we artists make life a little more worth living."                                          –Edgar Bergen

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Dear DQ, I am genuinely impressed, Drama Queen, with your post.  A little surprised, actually…. since when I read the subject title, I figured you were gonna do a real "number"…. and you didn’t.  Your post shows restraint, thoughtfulness…. and you go a long way in clarifying your positions and you’ve done it in something approaching in a style that I might almost call "diplomatic." No, DQ, I’ll never get down on my knees to worship you, that’s not my style; but maybe in the future, I’ll just take some of your personal style with a grain of salt, and a little more humor. A private post…. not copyrighted…. you can do what you will with it. *smile* Gee Bill, how private can it be when you send a copy to Carla? But since you’ve granted me the permission to do with it what I will, …I will. Thank You

Both choices were intentional, DQ….. I believe that you and Carla ("Opus" to the rest of alt.acting) have a lot more in common that you demonstrate in adversarial style.  No, I’m not aiming to be a peacemaker…. I gave up on that life model some decades ago.  But sometimes I wish that you and Carla had come to know each other a bit more. This will be tedious, I’m quoting you entire post, DQ….. much of what you say makes a lot of sense… and when I comment or reply, it’s simply a matter of my clarifying where I come from. But once again, DQ, you and I will not always agree…. so much of this is subjective opinion, personal style…. but I will say this:  you taught me a few things about my own moments of being reactive, emotionally impulsive.  And I have done this, DQ, on a few occasions of late, especially with you.  I won’t make that mistake again. Dear DQ, Thanks, DQ, for your alt.acting posts, DQ, written in your typical "diplomatic style." You are very welcome. I was planning on resigning from alt.acting this weekend until I read your post this Monday am. And now, I think I will lurk and occasionally contribute, as I see fit, That would be great Bill. It would be a shame to lose someone of your caliber.

I have no caliber, DQ….. I’m just a working actor/coach.  My mentor, Bobby Lewis, was the most self-effacing genius I’ve ever met.  And I am no genius, I don’t have all the answers…. in in fact, my real reason for participating in in newsgroups and listservers is to offer what I can, and learn a  few tips from other actors, directors, coaches. and maybe resign and maybe play a little guerrilla warfare. That’s the problem my dear. You view this as a war, …it isn’t.

No, it isn’t and wasn’t.  And it should not have become a war.  At least it shouldn’t have been between you and yours truly. I once had respect for you, DQ…. you have written a few posts that I felt were helpful, insightful and indeed…. contributed to the biz and the art. Thank You. I do try to be helpful when and where I can.

And you have been. That was my point. But that was while ago…..  since then, you’ve written nothing but trash. I dispute that claim, …but to each his own.

Good point, DQ, but  understand, please, that for the better part of  ’99, I deleted most alt.acting posts, as soon as a thread deviated into personal attacks.  I don’t have the time or patience for that, I’ve got my own career, my own artistic and business goals.  And yes, I have deleted most posts on this group….. the good, the bad and the ugly. You had an opportunity, DQ, to participate in re-making alt.acting into a legitimate newsgroups (which it once was) about the business and art of acting, The opportunity is not lost. As long as alt.acting remains a newsgroup, it’s evolution, and/or transformation is possible. That transformation isn’t accomplished by any *one* person, or any *two* people. It comes about by people controlling themselves and not trying to control someone else. What do you expect people to do when they are attacked? They fight back.

Good advice DQ.  I know that when I am attacked, I can either respond reasonably, or emotionally, or just ignore the attacker (you know, take the high road, turn the other cheek.)  You’re talking about self-restraint, and once again, you’ve demonstrated a lot of restraint in this post, in response to my "semi-private" post to you, copied to Carla. And we all know that some folks like the controlled environments of listservers like Acting-Pro (I was one of the co-founders of that group, and eventually resigned), or Stage and Screen, or Green Room or Vastavox.  I still subscribe to some of those groups, and yet there is something appealing to me about the the anarchy of alt.acting. If you want this NG to be about serious business and serious art, …then for goodness sakes, take some initiative and post threads that deal with serious aspects of the business and the art. Don’t bitch & whine because someone else chooses not to be serious. Ignore it. Jumping in with an attack on a thick-skinned person is just a colossal waste of time, and contributes nothing positive to your spirits or the knowledge bank or the transformation you desire to bring about.

Good advice, DQ,  but it is still an adjustment, maybe even a cultural shock, for some of the folks who have stuck out alt.acting from a time more than a year or more ago in which most of the posts were about the biz to the last year when it have been dominated by trash talk and trollers. and you claimed to have a secret plan to control Starmaker, I never said I had a secret plan to control Starmaker. You asked for requests for a plan to control him. All I said was that I was going to try an experiment. An experiment is done to discover information, not to control the subject of that experiment or the outcome. I did my experiment, and I discovered Starmaker isn’t the complete obnoxious asshole he would have us believe. He may not be a professional actor, but his outside approach can add a breath of fresh air or perhaps give one a fresh way to tackle a dilemma. He can also point out the errors that newbies take. Errors that you or I would probably never even consider because we are so far removed from the process of starting a career.

Let’s look at this matter of control….. that was NOT the term I used initially some months ago in private posts, at least not the "control" of a single individual….. no not on a newsgroup.  Listservers are moderated, with various degrees of  "control."   SM has as much a right, in the spirit of democracy and anarchy to state his opinions as you, I, Ed Hooks, Mary, Opus, Reg, and any number of other frequent posters or newbies. Recall, DQ, that what I was suggesting was that the best way to bring alt.acting back to a forum for pro and newbie actors was to IGNORE the trollers; and to focus on the biz and the art, and also to accept that an unmoderated group like this one can and should indulge OT topics and acknowledgements and friendly chit-chat. I know where my delete key is, and I can chose to delete or read a post or a poster.  It’s democracy in action, freedom of speech, measured sometimes and sometimes not with a little discretion, some amount of self-control…. or not. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and instead, you have indeed become a part of them problem with your trashy  and semi-cute rejoinders full of sexual innuendo. I have become part of *your* problem Bill! Maybe you should take a lesson from Hector. Those lurkers and posters with a little depth who look further than the surface will see he is a perfect example of ‘how to survive in the business’. "WHAT, ARE YOU ON DRUGS?!!" you ask? Not at all, this guy has been snubbed, kicked around, insulted, judged, rejected and rebuked, etc., etc., etc., and he won’t go away. It’s that type of undaunted faith in oneself and sense of belonging that one needs to survive the cruelties of this business. He is basically harmless. I don’t believe he even believes some of the things he says. I think he just says a lot of things in an attempt to tweak our sensitivities. If we didn’t act so darned priggish, he’d have no ammunition with which to fire his bullets, and I suspect he would get slightly bored. He likes to tease, …but I don’t believe he likes to intentionally inflict pain. (At least, not on *most* posters anyway).

You know, DQ, you force me to admit that every once in a while, even SM has a purpose, a value…. every once in a while, from his troller position, he offers a bit of insight from his admittedly "know-nothing" position….. there was actually a political party in the late 19th century called the "Know Nothing" party.  Their credo was that they knew nothing, or almost nothing, they were grunt-of-the-earth…. mostly farmers and small business-owners, just struggling to survive. But SM…. hmmmm…. he has a website and perhaps other agendas.  I have a website, along with a sig line that directs folks to The Acting Studio…. so maybe I have an agenda, as well..  So…. whom do you trust?   No one in this business, at least not absolutely…. Caveat Emptore.  Buyer beware. When and if you start to talk seriously about the business and art of acting, I will respond to you, with respect, on alt.acting.  And in the meantime, I will take great pleasure in ignoring all your posts, and your flames.  And when and if I resign, I will do it at my own convenience, thank you. I don’t believe I ever told you to resign. I pointed out that you said you were going to.

No, you didn’t, DQ, tell me to resign…. and yes, you reminded me that I was on the verge of resigning…. and for the moment, I won’t.   I won’t…. for a couple of reasons…. I am curious about what’s gonna happen with the evolution of  this newsgroup….. NO, it’s not a sociological study, nor should it be a game of politics and egos…. the "serious" actors … read more »

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A private post…. not copyrighted…. you can do what you will with it.

*smile* Gee Bill, how private can it be when you send a copy to Carla? But since you’ve granted me the permission to do with it what I will, …I will. Thank You Dear DQ, Thanks, DQ, for your alt.acting posts, DQ, written in your typical "diplomatic style."

You are very welcome. I was planning on resigning from alt.acting this weekend until I read your post this Monday am. And now, I think I will lurk and occasionally contribute, as I see fit,

That would be great Bill. It would be a shame to lose someone of your caliber. and maybe resign and maybe play a little guerrilla warfare.

That’s the problem my dear. You view this as a war, …it isn’t. I once had respect for you, DQ…. you have written a few posts that I felt were helpful, insightful and indeed…. contributed to the biz and the art.  

Thank You. I do try to be helpful when and where I can. But that was while ago…..  since then, you’ve written nothing but trash.

I dispute that claim, …but to each his own. You had an opportunity, DQ, to participate in re-making alt.acting into a legitimate newsgroups (which it once was) about the business and art of acting,

The opportunity is not lost. As long as alt.acting remains a newsgroup, it’s evolution, and/or transformation is possible. That transformation isn’t accomplished by any *one* person, or any *two* people. It comes about by people controlling themselves and not trying to control someone else. What do you expect people to do when they are attacked? They fight back. If you want this NG to be about serious business and serious art, …then for goodness sakes, take some initiative and post threads that deal with serious aspects of the business and the art. Don’t bitch & whine because someone else chooses not to be serious. Ignore it. Jumping in with an attack on a thick-skinned person is just a colossal waste of time, and contributes nothing positive to your spirits or the knowledge bank or the transformation you desire to bring about. and you claimed to have a secret plan to control Starmaker,

I never said I had a secret plan to control Starmaker. You asked for requests for a plan to control him. All I said was that I was going to try an experiment. An experiment is done to discover information, not to control the subject of that experiment or the outcome. I did my experiment, and I discovered Starmaker isn’t the complete obnoxious asshole he would have us believe. He may not be a professional actor, but his outside approach can add a breath of fresh air or perhaps give one a fresh way to tackle a dilemma. He can also point out the errors that newbies take. Errors that you or I would probably never even consider because we are so far removed from the process of starting a career. and instead, you have indeed become a part of them problem with your trashy  and semi-cute rejoinders full of sexual innuendo.

I have become part of *your* problem Bill! Maybe you should take a lesson from Hector. Those lurkers and posters with a little depth who look further than the surface will see he is a perfect example of ‘how to survive in the business’. "WHAT, ARE YOU ON DRUGS?!!" you ask? Not at all, this guy has been snubbed, kicked around, insulted, judged, rejected and rebuked, etc., etc., etc., and he won’t go away. It’s that type of undaunted faith in oneself and sense of belonging that one needs to survive the cruelties of this business. He is basically harmless. I don’t believe he even believes some of the things he says. I think he just says a lot of things in an attempt to tweak our sensitivities. If we didn’t act so darned priggish, he’d have no ammunition with which to fire his bullets, and I suspect he would get slightly bored. He likes to tease, …but I don’t believe he likes to intentionally inflict pain. (At least, not on *most* posters anyway). When and if you start to talk seriously about the business and art of acting, I will respond to you, with respect, on alt.acting.  And in the meantime, I will take great pleasure in ignoring all your posts, and your flames.  And when and if I resign, I will do it at my own convenience, thank you.

I don’t believe I ever told you to resign. I pointed out that you said you were going to. You also said that you were going to urge others to resign as well. If that is how you derive great pleasure Bill, you need to get out more often ;^) Go see a movie, ..catch a play, or a concert, or even just a walk in the park communing with nature. etc. The main problem as I see it Bill, is you have a tremendous desire to control something that is not yours to control. I noticed areas where you’ve gone off on Starmaker for something that was *obviously* meant as humour, and was in fact humour of a *tasteful* variety, yet you still flipped out. It seems to me it is his mere presence here that can send you into a tizzy, and that is unfortunate because none of us can control who accesses a Usenet newsgroup or for that matter who posts to one. I do not, dear DQ, promote my Studio, anymore than Ed Hooks does his Studio or his books.  Ed lives and operates in SF, I do my thing in Colorado.  I hardly expect that I’ll gain a new client or two as a result of of  my infrequent postings…..  infrequent or late, because this once dedicated group have become dominated in the last year by you and SM, and a few other voices.

So drown us out with posts that you feel are relevant. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It happens that I am familiar with TMJ, and it so happens that I have been hired in this area by the Denver Center Theatre Company’s voice/speech division which is doing state-of-the-art research in voice/speech/pathology regarding acting and singing professionals.  The staff includes laryngolosists, speech pathologists, and voice/speech professionals actors and actor/coaches. On a more professional scale, outside of the cess-pool called alt.acting, I contribute frequently to Vastavox, a listserver dedicated to the professional study of voice/speech/physiology for the actor and the singer. I contribute, DQ….. and you may think that it’s about my selling classes…. that’s your truth, and it tells me a lot about where you are coming from.

That’s not my truth, …and I sincerely regret having posted that. I doubted your integrity for a split second due to your mentioning to me with a little wink, in a private post how being in NGs and on listservers have been very profitable to you over the years. That coupled with your obvious objective of pissing me off without provocation in another one of your private posts, led me to that split-second doubt. I’m glad that Christopher Jahn piped in as quickly as he did to both chastize me and validate what you had written. It was a very valid response to the original posters inquiry. Believe me I regretted it the moment I hit the send button because I realized I had just done what I have urged Hector not to do, …that is to attempt to bring into question the integrity of valuable posters and contributors to this group with stuff that has nothing to do with the quality of advice they contribute. Oh well, …I suppose we all from time to time make mistakes, …even absolutely perfect goddesses such as myself. ;^) I have on occasion enjoyed your defence of the Canadian market, though you could tone down the volume….. but that’s just my humble opinion.

Mice need to roar, when they’re next to elephants. 8^) I have many acting/directing colleagues based in Toronto and Vancouver…. but you decided to do your nationalistic statement in response to a harmless post I sent to Opus on that particular thread, because I was commenting on SAG/AFTRA  commission rates in the USA.

I wasn’t trying to flame you, I was just letting off a little steam. In all honesty though, …I thought after a few minutes that a complete newbie unaware of the different unions or their jurisdictions might have found it a little confusing because the thread did say Canada. Get, it, DQ, the USA passed fair trade acts….. the basic beginnings of free trade in ‘96.  And you chose to flame yours truly, rather than to understand that I AM in the business of sharing information, across the borders…. internationally, globally.

I wasn’t trying to flame you in that thread, …another question maybe, but not the other one. I already sent you my big flame privately. There is nothing better than sharing information about how it works in Canada, versus the USA…. maybe one day, your unions and mine can join, collaborate.

I thought our unions already collaborated. What you are missing, DQ, is that there are many people who lurk, because they are terrified of your style of personal attack, or Starmaker troller games.

I believe I only attack when attacked. I have to admit though, …alot of times, my humour is misconstrued. I’ve had others write me privately to find out whether or not I was serious, or just joking with them. Even Roger Bamkin in England had to clarify whether I was serious or not. And I’ll be honest…. you both have discouraged beginners, wanna-be’s and working professionals from participating.

Sorry to hear that. I don’t think I’ve been anything but nice to beginners and wanna-be’s. As for working professionals, …if they can’t hack it, they should get the heck out of the business before it chews them up and spits them out. They are in for much tougher fights out in the real cutthroat world of this biz. Look, DQ, I know that in a public post on alt.acting about Starmaker, I outted you…. and I did that for my own good reason….

Do you mind sharing it with me. If I don’t know the method behind your madness, I can only assume it is because you are a "FUCKING IDIOT". Were those my exact words? …or did I call you a … read more »

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